My understanding is that MPEG (Compression) NR is NOT selectable on Realta for HD signals, only M-ATNR.

Hum, I thought that the Realta did process 1080p signals in the Denon DVD-3800BD bluray player.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1004155
See #10 Q&A in the first post.

So some confusion still exist as to the capabilities of this chipset.

What happened to the HQV Silicon Optix logo? The new pictures do not show the logo anymore.

Talk to frank at cypress which is almsot a duplicate of this, I almost think gefen is just putting new metal around there box, he says production is on schedule for may release.

Same box exactly, except with component out as well.

Talk to frank at cypress which is almsot a duplicate of this, I almost think gefen is just putting new metal around there box, he says production is on schedule for may release.

Same box exactly, except with component out as well.

Thanks for the info. I went to Cypress's site and did not find any info on the Instant HQV HD Scaler. Do you know a site that gives info on it?

Hum, I thought that the Realta did process 1080p signals in the Denon DVD-3800BD bluray player.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1004155
See #10 Q&A in the first post.

So some confusion still exist as to the capabilities of this chipset.

Yes it does process 1080p signals, but you can only enable the M-ATNR (Temporal noise) noise reduction, not the MEPG noise reduction - all other processing features apply.

Yes it does process 1080p signals, but you can only enable the M-ATNR (Temporal noise) noise reduction, not the MEPG noise reduction - all other processing features apply.

Got it! :)

I thought the scaler pro should have been presented during a show last week...

no news from gefen or cypress?

the most important scaler feature unknown is for me the abilty to change aspect ratio and to do croping! (in order to tranform 4:3 content to 16:9)

any info about this?

thanks
Francois

They did say it will have aspect ratio adjustments.

What show was it suppose to be at? Cypress still claims they will be done in may.

I am maybe wrong but I thought there was a show last week...

where did you find this info about croping and aspect ratio (it is not mentionned in the gefen site and the cypress site doesn't even mention the HQV scaler)

but maybe I was not able to find the right page
do you have a link through this info?

thanks
Francois

I asked some tech guy (forgot his name) from gefen.

His response was "Yes there will be aspect ratio selection"

About the noise reduction of the realta chip from zax post, from the cypress document and hqv website it sounds as if the temporal noise filter handles compression. From what realta and cypress have claimed the chip analyzes the type of noise pixel per pixel and applies the proper algorithm. They mentioned compression as a type of noise this filter deals with.

http://www.hqv.com/technology/index1/noise_reduction.cfm?CFID=&CFTOKEN=52299915

I am very surprised, they don't ever talk about croping and aspect ratio (have a look to other scaler, it is always the point 2 or 3 of the specs)

if you are not allowed to crop, no way to play non anamorphic DVD to 16:9 and no way to remove the horizontal blackbar.

I will wait until I read the owner manual to be sure. Honestly, if the july delay is due to manufacturing, why don't we have a preliminary owner manual with the specs?

another thing, I read the owner manual for the scaler HD plus, and they talk about aspect ratio but without any cropping (so not very useful...)

wait and see! but if someone have unofficial info about cropping, let me know

thanks
Francois

It was NAB in Las Vegas last week, could that be the show? More broadcast than home theater equipment though.

Many of you seem hopeful that you will get $2000 worth of scaler for $699 with this product. Just because it uses HQV/Realta doesn't mean that they have implemented/enabled all or any of it's more usable/useful features. I think the "proof of the pudding" is definitely in the eating with this one. Perhaps the silence about "features" tell you more than the spec does??

Hopefully a review will appear sooner rather than later and it will prove to be the "success" that the Gefen Home Theater Scaler Plus has :rolleyes: {Goes to hunt out flame-proof suit}

About the noise reduction of the realta chip from zax post, from the cypress document and hqv website it sounds as if the temporal noise filter handles compression. From what realta and cypress have claimed the chip analyzes the type of noise pixel per pixel and applies the proper algorithm. They mentioned compression as a type of noise this filter deals with.

http://www.hqv.com/technology/index1/noise_reduction.cfm?CFID=&CFTOKEN=52299915

Sorry, but no, not really. The Motion-Adaptive Temporal Noise Reduction (M-ATNR) filter deals primarily with the high frequency & introduced "electronic" or source-present type noise without image degradation and it can be enabled for all signal types. It looks at the amount/presence (not type) of noise evident on a pixel by pixel basis across a number of frames and deals with it. That part of the HQV spiel just outlines the benefits of a per-pixel motion and noise adaptive Temporal filter rather than a Spatial filter for this.

There is, in addition, a specific MPEG compression noise filter within HQV/Realta which is not available for use when 1080p signals are being processed.

Yes I was talking about non 1080p, I think it can only process sources up to 1080i according to the cypress document I received.

About the features, it seems they implemented most of them I have been asking cypress in taiwan about it, and gefen has not released many of it specs because they really are not doing anything with it, it seems other then casing and marketing it here. They list the features on there website and they are the same that hqv website lists as main features of the realta and cypress document also had similar specs, everything you would expect from the realta. I dont expect anything in addition to what the realta can do like lumagen adding its own algos to the radiance, but again for the price they seem to have unlocked the features of the realta chip for a great price. As discussed previously silicon optix gives them the features already on the realta its just up to them to use them, and according to the specs they have.

Im more worried about this thing getting delayed or having other issues that are not dependent on the realta. I have confidence they cant screw up whats given to them already by silicon optix.

As for gefens other scaler it did sound terrible but since they are using another chip that has nothing to do with them like the one user who purchased a gefen scaler with a genum in it has stated his has been rock solid.

No offense either when I say this but I still take your opinion with a grain of salt considering who you did work with and your comments on the first page deciding to advertise your own product.

Hi Murilo,

I wait with baited breath :)

Just for the record, I am no longer at Calibre as is reflected in the "now independent" under my username. However, I do have vast experience of Realta implementations and know too well that regardless of any feature being there within the Realta architecture it is not always used in the same way, or with the same limits or parameters, or to the same effect by all those manufacturers who use it. That is one of the "joys" of such an explicitly programmable device such as Realta.

Compare the Image Anyplace (Silicon Optix own scaler) with NEC Theatresync with Calibre Vantage-HD with Optoma HD3000 to see differing implementations of the "same" Realta device.

I maintain my position that perhaps people are expecting too much of this box (functionality-wise) because it uses Realta/HQV. Just because a particular feature might be in the Realta/HQV spec doesn't mean that any specific manufacturer will enable/programme for/use it so don't take it as read that it will be there in this box.

To plagiarize George Orwell, "All Realta implementations are made equal, but some are more equal than others"

..Compare the Image Anyplace (Silicon Optix own scaler) with NEC Theatresync with Calibre Vantage-HD with Optoma HD3000 to see differing implementations of the "same" Realta device...

The Optoma HD3000 is Gennum VXP based.

Hi Murilo,

I wait with baited breath :)

Just for the record, I am no longer at Calibre as is reflected in the "now independent" under my username. However, I do have vast experience of Realta implementations and know too well that regardless of any feature being there within the Realta architecture it is not always used in the same way, or with the same limits or parameters, or to the same effect by all those manufacturers who use it. That is one of the "joys" of such an explicitly programmable device such as Realta.

Compare the Image Anyplace (Silicon Optix own scaler) with NEC Theatresync with Calibre Vantage-HD with Optoma HD3000 to see differing implementations of the "same" Realta device.

I maintain my position that perhaps people are expecting too much of this box (functionality-wise) because it uses Realta/HQV. Just because a particular feature might be in the Realta/HQV spec doesn't mean that any specific manufacturer will enable/programme for/use it so don't take it as read that it will be there in this box.

To plagiarize George Orwell, "All Realta implementations are made equal, but some are more equal than others"

We are not reading the specs on Silicon Optix's page regarding the Realta and saying this scaler will be able to do this and that. We are reading the specs on Gefen's site. Gefen lists the features of their scaler and Gefen lists all of the features listed as standard on the Realta. Since the programing comes from Silicon Optix already on the chip I would think it would not be too far fetched to think that this scaler will do what many of us are wanting.

Lets face it scalers are going to drop in price or go the way of the dinosaur. The prices should drop since the chips and parts getting used more and more drops the production costs. The scaling in devices is getting better all the time and the price for these devices is getting less and less.

The Optoma HD3000 is Gennum VXP based.


D'oh :D

Well my limited experience suggests that different manufacturers do not implement features the same.

After all the praise that was heaped on the Silicon Optix Reon chip in the HD-XA2 from Toshiba.... I jumped on an Onkyo 905 when they first came out thinking I would be able to apply the Reon's magic to all my sources............

However, Onkyo's implementation of the Reon does not appear "to me" to be all that great....... or perhaps I just had unrealistic expectations from all the hype over the chip in the Toshiba player.

Sorry, but no, not really. The Motion-Adaptive Temporal Noise Reduction (M-ATNR) filter deals primarily with the high frequency & introduced "electronic" or source-present type noise without image degradation and it can be enabled for all signal types. It looks at the amount/presence (not type) of noise evident on a pixel by pixel basis across a number of frames and deals with it. That part of the HQV spiel just outlines the benefits of a per-pixel motion and noise adaptive Temporal filter rather than a Spatial filter for this.

There is, in addition, a specific MPEG compression noise filter within HQV/Realta which is not available for use when 1080p signals are being processed.

Can the Realta perform MPEG noise reduction on 1080i signals? I think most of us have providers that compress HD signals and I am interested in a processor that can perform MPEG noise reduction on 1080i signals.

Processing 1080p signals is actually less intensive than 1080i because you don't have to deinterlace. So I'd say not.

Well my limited experience suggests that different manufacturers do not implement features the same.

After all the praise that was heaped on the Silicon Optix Reon chip in the HD-XA2 from Toshiba.... I jumped on an Onkyo 905 when they first came out thinking I would be able to apply the Reon's magic to all my sources............

However, Onkyo's implementation of the Reon does not appear "to me" to be all that great....... or perhaps I just had unrealistic expectations from all the hype over the chip in the Toshiba player.

The question is: What features of the Reon chip did Onkyo list as being provided with the 905? Onkyo did not provide a spec sheet listing each and every feature as being provided with the 905. Now Gefen did list all of the specific features of the Realta on their spec sheet for their Scaller Pro.

Processing 1080p signals is actually less intensive than 1080i because you don't have to deinterlace.
There is one less step in the processing chain, yes, but there is twice the video information, which I would say is the real limiting factor. I would be very surprised if it didn't work with 1080i.

Was there anything actually wrong with the nec theater sync besides its price? I know it got discontinued but it was also selling at 3999.

All I ever seen was an endgadget report saying that at a past cedia the theater sync and vp30 stood out as processors.

So I checked the archives about the theater sync, and it seems the problems with it were poor customer support by nec, lack of any specs on it, and hdcp and input switching issues. Nothing to do with the realta, this was also released in 2005. This unit was also 3999 people were expecting custom resolutions which realta is capable of, and nec did not put all of those in. As with the gefen scaler we know what resolutions were getting, at the price point, were only getting 3, unlike nec gefen and cypress gave us specs. And for 699 i think they have implemented more then enough of the realta. Obviously the sacrifice is considerably less inputs, and lack of custom resolutions. I read the specs for the denon realta scaler that is 2500, it has similar specs but provides much more inputs and outputs, and alot more resolutions. The rest of the specs were comparable to the gefen. The denon also has a much nicer casing with a digital display on the front.

People who had no hdcp issues or problems with inputs however gave it glowing reviews.

I agree but please consider people (like me) who have a lot of DVD recorded from Satdecoder in 4:3 aspect ratio with blackbar who just need just 4:3 to 16:9 transfert, even if we can only choose fixed PAL and NTSC croping value (72 and 60 pixels respectively).

This applied also for non-anamorphic commercial DVD (StarWars II for example or Shinning...)

Fixed croping should be also useful for PAL and NTSC Satdecoder chanels which are still displayed in 4:3 aspect ratio...

If we can have this feature it would be great!

Could you asked for (to Cypress and Gefen guys)?

thanks

so how will this one rank with the dvdo vp30 as fart as SD PQ? i found a vp30 for like $850 available now...

so how will this one rank with the dvdo vp30 as fart as SD PQ? i found a vp30 for like $850 available now...

If that VP30 comes with the ABT102 included, then that's a a steal, otherwise add $200-$300 to it. ;o

Just found out if anyone from Australia is interested, the Aus RRP is $1050

any news

any news

On Gefen forums someone associated with Gefen is saying July. I am getting tired of waiting. May cancel pre-order and look at something else.

On Gefen forums someone associated with Gefen is saying July. I am getting tired of waiting. May cancel pre-order and look at something else.

What else?

Still hearing end of June... Hopefully sooner...

so how will this one rank with the dvdo vp30 as fart as SD PQ? i found a vp30 for like $850 available now...

If they don't screw it up, it'll be better than the VP30 even with the ABT102 card.

What else?

Still hearing end of June... Hopefully sooner...

i called gefen last fri to check on release of hdmi audio processor; also asked about new scaler pro, gent said both should be out at end of june/early july.

Still hearing end of June... Hopefully sooner...

Since I value your opinion, how do you think this will match up with other VPs.

I'm pretty excited for this product and its capabilities. If it's all that and a bag o' chips then I might just plunk down the ~$500 for it.

I realize this thread has died -- apparently due to the delay in the Gefen unit coming out. But I did find a more in-depth description discussing the differences between the Reon and the Realta.

As copied below (this was written in 2006 at http://svconline.com/columns/features/avinstall_pixels_problems/ )...

SILICON OPTIX REON-VX

The trend toward those consumer-luring higher resolutions demands better quality image processing to help mask some of the artifacts and noise that will inevitably creep into moving pictures by the time they get to a display. Dedicated image-processing hardware, and there are already a few different solutions on the market, is likely to become increasingly important.

One recent solution is Silicon Optix's new Reon-VX chip. Reon is the younger sibling of the Silicon Optix Realta chip, which boasts “Hollywood-quality video” and the “HQV” marketing acronym. It's marketing hyperbole, perhaps, but when Silicon Optix acquired Teranex, a recognized high-end image-processing-technology leader in Hollywood circles, it gained significant intellectual property for making digital images look as good as possible.

Realta, now some two years old, put much of that expertise onto a chip that could be integrated into DVD players, standalone scalers, and displays themselves. Realta has been well-received by device makers and image-quality critics. However, it's a premium product compared to image-processing chips from companies like Pixelworks, Gennum, and Faroudja, and a higher cost has ultimately limited its broad appeal among consumer-oriented products.

Reon, on the other hand, is designed to compete more directly with the cost leaders, while still, according to Silicon Optix, delivering the Hollywood-quality video processing of Realta. Indeed, Reon boasts most of the same features, including four-field-per-pixel de-interlacing for maximum sharpness, film cadence processing, diagonal filters to help remove aliasing and stair-step artifacts from de-interlaced video sources, detail enhancement or sharpening to counter the softening of noise and digital artifacts, and color detection and correction, all using 4:4:4, 10-bit image processing. There's even the geometric-distortion processing of Silicon Optix's older Image AnyPlace engine.

The primary difference between Realta and Reon is the programmability of Realta that enables custom control for specific or high-quality applications or hardware. The lack of that programmability affords a smaller and less expensive chip that is ultimately more appropriate for general-purpose display products, without losing functionality that would probably not be used in consumer devices anyway.

Adding any cost to the build of materials for consumer products is a difficult proposition. Worse, American consumers aren't necessarily known for their appreciation of good picture quality. However, with higher-resolution displays, that seems to be changing — not so much because they can look so great with the right source material, but because the extra pixels clearly illustrate a contrast between high-resolution programming and all that is bad, or unclear, in the imagery from less high-quality programming.

Ultimately, the added cost of quality image processing is probably going to be a lot less than the cost of returns by unhappy customers — as long as the added up-front costs don't price the display out of the market to begin with, that is. At least that's the balance that Silicon Optix is trying to find with the Reon.

One has to wonder how long it will take to see published comparisons side-by-side between the Gefen unit vs a) TVs that have the Realta, already or b) AVRs that offer the Reon. Some reviews on the Onkyo TX-SR875 have glowing reports about the PQ -- others seem to say it's not so hot, but then temper it by saying the results were at least as good as any other processor they've viewed.

How's a fella to know??

What else?

I mainly wanted this for my projector. I decided to get a high end projector with good processing. I bought a Marantz VP-12S4. It has the Gennum VXP.

Worse, American consumers aren't necessarily known for their appreciation of good picture quality



well, that made my day.

ROFL...

Does anyone know if the Realta, either the chip itself or as implemented in the Gefen, lets the user select the frequency of the output video signal via HDMI? e.g. 1080p/50hz vs 1080p/60hz.

Why I ask is:
- I live in a PAL zone (my 1080p Sony SXRD TV runs natively at 50hz but can accept and display a signal at 60hz, albeit with judder. The TV doesn't accept 24p.)
- My blu-ray player, the PS3, has a quirk that it outputs any content at all resolutions above 576p at 60hz (i.e. 720p/60hz, 1080p/60hz). This leads to terrible judder on my TV with blu-ray content - it might just be that having grown up playing PAL DVD's and watching PAL broadcasts I've never before seen the 3:2 pull-down judder that North Americans have had for years with NTSC/60hz.
- I know that 99% of blu-ray content is stored natively at 24p, but alas my TV won't accept it.
- Next best option is to try to get the 1080p/60hz signal output from the PS3 to be changed by an additional video processor like the Gefen to 1080p/50hz*, thus ditching the extra judder-inducing frames created by the PS3 for the 60hz signal.
- Key to this is the ability for the Gefen to allow user selection of the output frequency. If it defaults to pass-through for any 1080p signal, not just a 1080p/24 signal, then I'm stuffed!

*I'd heard anecdotal reports of an Onkyo 875 (w/ Reon) doing something that sounded like this.

Cheers,
Jake
NZ

Yes, it is intrinsic to the Realta platform. Whether Gefen implement it I cannot say, but I would be very surprised if they didn't.

I've had an answer from Gefen confirming that it will do what I need it to:

"Output frequencies and resolutions will be user selectable and that does include 1080p@50hz."

Sounds very good. Makes it hard to go past it even. ;)

Hopefully we can road test one of these soon... :)

i am interested in this unit but have a couple questions:

1) will this unit leave the frame rate alone, ie 30 fps stays 30 fps and 24 fps stays 24?

2) can i place this unit after my AVR (denon 3808) if i turn the AVR's scaler OFF?

info: my only sources will be a BD/DVD with SD at 480i and a dishnetwork VIP722

thanks!

Hopefully we can road test one of these soon... :)

Yes hopefully we can put this device through some paces soon.

July is coming fast! :)

I mainly wanted this for my projector. I decided to get a high end projector with good processing. I bought a Marantz VP-12S4. It has the Gennum VXP.

I have the same projector. It has GF9351 which is not bad. I wouldn't call it better than Realta - the question is how much better Realta is than it. My guess is that Realta is slightly better, particularly in the denoising department if that matters to you. The GF9450 which Lumagen uses is much better than the 935x and supposedly is pretty good at denoising.

I have the same projector. It has GF9351 which is not bad. I wouldn't call it better than Realta - the question is how much better Realta is than it. My guess is that Realta is slightly better, particularly in the denoising department if that matters to you. The GF9450 which Lumagen uses is much better than the 935x and supposedly is pretty good at denoising.

No it will not be better than a good implementation of the Realta, but I knew what I was getting with the Marantz and the Gefen is still an unknown. It may be better (it should be) but it will not be much better. I really like the image from the 12S4.

July is only a couple of weeks away and I haven't seen any new release news. Anyone have any updates?

Nothing much at the Gefen forums either. Last post on this item there was on 6/10 and it was an explanation of a simple feature.

Word???

Anyone else notice that the ValleySeek site is down lately??

a rep from gefen just told me it will no longer be released, due to poor implementation of the reon chip (on their part) and lack of support needed for firmware updates. oh well.

Can't say I'm super surprised.

Talk about pulling the plug very early... If they were going to cancel it they should have never even announced it to begin with...

Interesting twist.

Wow, SO disappointed. :(

Better they pulled it than another sub par product. After how the Home Theater Scaler turned out, now this, I kind of have a weary feeling about Gefen in this department. Guess I need to save up for one of the big boys.

edit: ah ok, all lies. :) Hope this unit is as good as it should be.

a rep from gefen just told me it will no longer be released, due to poor implementation of the reon chip (on their part) and lack of support needed for firmware updates. oh well.

you mean the 'realta' chip?

their hdmi audio processor was supposed to be released around the same time. i hope its still on schedule.

wait... FOR REAL?

ack ack ack! now i'm annoyed.

I just emailed tech support at gefen about this rumor, and this is what he had to say on the topic:

"This is untrue. The Home Theater Scaler Pro, formerly part number
GTV-HTC-PRO, has had its part number changed to GTV-S-PRO. This is maybe
where some confusion has come about. As of now a release date has not been
announced, but rest assured that the scaler unit with the HQV chip is indeed
still on track for release."

rumors are dangerous... please be careful with what you say. :)

I just emailed tech support at gefen about this rumor, and this is what he had to say on the topic:

"This is untrue. The Home Theater Scaler Pro, formerly part number
GTV-HTC-PRO, has had its part number changed to GTV-S-PRO. This is maybe
where some confusion has come about. As of now a release date has not been
announced, but rest assured that the scaler unit with the HQV chip is indeed
still on track for release."

rumors are dangerous... please be careful with what you say. :)

good catch! thanks!
i would have called them tomorrow anyway but now i wont have to.

i stand corrected. i guess one shouldn't believe everything they hear. hahaha. glad tech support cleared that part # change. im sure thats what it was about and the message got twisted down the way.

at least some talk has started back on this thread. im now really looking forward to this unit. if it delivers and their is support for firmware updates, i think it will be a hit at its price point.

no worries fellas. i puckered up for a few hours there... my evil plan for my system is all set and i really didn't want to change things!

i'm very freakin excited about this scaler, and the pioneer 51fd i'm also waiting on :)

I guess that begs the question! What's your evil plan? (i'm always looking for more evil plans myself)

Wow, SO disappointed. :(

Better they pulled it than another sub par product. After how the Home Theater Scaler turned out, now this, I kind of have a weary feeling about Gefen in this department. Guess I need to save up for one of the big boys.

edit: ah ok, all lies. :) Hope this unit is as good as it should be.

Acccording to the Gefen reps on the Gefen forum, it's supposed to be released by sometime in July.

I guess that begs the question! What's your evil plan? (i'm always looking for more evil plans myself)


:cool:

i had a marantz bd8002 ordered and was all excited about it, but at the same time, hesitant. i've learned to trust my instincts and mine were telling me i wasn't doing the right thing.

i mean, i love high end equipment but i also am a logical person... $1500 for an awesome unit that can only improve my SD and BD picture? What about my HD satellite?

so i did a search on outboard scalers using realta and found the gefen... holy hoot!

then i wanted (don't have one) a good BD player that outputs native resolutions, looks gorgeous, and at least bitsreams the lossless codecs (i have a denon avr3808), and found the pioneer 51fd! perfect!

the super cool thing? both of those items together cost less than the marantz (even at the introductory discount). and i can enjoy realta processing on all my sources! how friggin cool is that?

oh yeah, the TV is a sony kds-55a3000 (i love this tv!). i'm running full 7.1 with some mixed speakers- i will address that next year with some custom-made scan-speak revelators (yum yum). for now, the audessey in the avr does a good job of taming and tuning my mishmash of speakers (two of which i built from a partsexpress kit).

oh, and i'm enjoying the new harmony one remote i just bought too ;)

Heh, remotes and BD players -- I've been a model of edge-of-my-seat patience waiting on both (the new RTI T-3V remote and probably one of the coming Pioneers), ever since overhauling my system nearly a year ago. Anyyyyy "day" now... Your satellite comment is why I've been tracking this thread for several months, myself. Looking forward to the after-action reports regarding SD content. Looks like the new RTI remote will be out first, but I don't want to pay to have it programmed twice, so that wagon's hitched to whenever our BD players get here... Can't wait to see what my Pio 6010 really looks like.

So, in summation, contrary to rumors, this unit is still be produced, and should ship in (mid-late) July, 2008?

as far as i know there was only one rumor, and yes that's what i'm told. i've ordered mine and am patiently waiting :)

So, in summation, contrary to rumors, this unit is still be produced, and should ship in (mid-late) July, 2008?

I spoke with one of the Gefen reps at Infocomm last Friday...

He claims they are having some technical "issues" that need to be resolved and it might be delayed until the end of the year or the first of next year....

Of course, it is also possible that he is not the most knowledgeable person on the issue... but I thought I should forward this possibly disappointing news.

mixed messages galore!

please keep us updated. referencing your sources is helpful too.

thanks

He claims they are having some technical "issues" that need to be resolved and it might be delayed until the end of the year or the first of next year....

This product is sounding more like 3D Realms with Duke Nukem Forever.

"It'll be ready when it's ready..."

But you know you'll never see it for years... if that.

oh damnit :\

I gave up on this. For the same price I am going with the flea, I think it will work better for me anyway especially with noise and sharpen.

If you were waiting for this device mainly for dvd, tv, and HDTV, I think the algolith flea will work better.

As good as hqv is in noise reduction and sharpening they still come in second to algolith flea from what I seen and read. The flea specializes in more noise reduction, and sharpen. It does not scale or deinterlace like this scaler. However for DVD an a30 can be purchased cheaply like im doing and contains ABT scaling and deinterlacing, on par with the realta and reon. For tv thankfully my w5000 has a great deinterlacer thats very sharp. And as far as scaling I cant use the scaling with the realta due to dishnetwork and bell only allowing one output (mine is set to 1080i).

I seen what this can do and it works excellent, I think paired with an A30 for scaling, and using the flea noise reduction and sharpen its going to be even better then my XA2 with reon. The noise reduction is far more advanced and has many different settings, as well as an excellent sharpen device.

This device also does 1080p/24, although it cant do 1080p/60, but it will work on particularly noisy Blue ray or hd dvd, there is some people who dont believe that hd dvd and blue ray should use processing, but I seen it work on a couple blue ray's that were older or suffered from noise and it still improved the picture although very low settings were applied, you dont really want to process high def media very much, and some even say it shouldnt be touched at all.

Of course if you watch a variety of video dvd's that need things like proper cadence detection, and you have difficult video to deinterlace then the flea wouldnt be for you.

I saw the A30 recently and it didn't look nearly as good as the reon in the Toshiba XA2 that they had hooked up for SD content. Maybe it was that exact setup or something. I don't know.

I have owned xa2 for 2 years, seen my neighbors A30, upscaling was equal in my opinion, however the xa2 was better because of excellent noise reduction, I used mosquito, random, and set sharpen to 1. As a single unit it was better then the A30 because of noise and sharpen, I seen both on 106 inch screen.

There are quite a few debates about which is better for pure scaling, the reon xa2, or the abt in the third gen units. A few even swear Xa1 was the best, which I also owned and was also excellent, for pure scaling its very difficult to tell when you get a good scaler.

Obviously with algolith flea hooked up to the a30, even more advanced noise and sharpen, it should be similar to xa2, if not better, its much more customizable then the xa2.

Kind of getting OT here, but...

I own the A2, A35, Oppo 983 and used to own an XA1. I'd say the XA1 and A2 were almost identical. The A35 was slightly, yet noticeably better. The Oppo was even better, I absolutely love that machine. Not sharper than the A35, but MUCH cleaner. (50" 1366x768 Samsung Plasma.)

The A35 and A30 and Oppo 983 both use the same scaling chip. They should be the same unless the oppo has additional tweaks like the xa2.

The A35 and A30 and Oppo 983 both use the same scaling chip. They should be the same unless the oppo has additional tweaks like the xa2.

The Oppo has NR and sharpening.

They are not the same, the dedicated deinterlacing chip of the Oppo makes a large difference. ;)

However for DVD an a30 can be purchased cheaply like im doing and contains ABT scaling and deinterlacing, on par with the realta and reon.

Just to clear things up...

The Anchor Bay ASIC used in the HD-A30 is the ABT1018. This chip is our scaling solution.

The Oppo DV-983H uses the ABT1018 and the ABT102. The ABT102 contains our Precision Deinterlacing algorithms for SD deinterlacing.

Our newly released ABT2010 offers ALL of the technologies available in the VP50PRO. This chip could be used in a affordable very high performance video processor.

Our newly released ABT2010 offers ALL of the technologies available in the VP50PRO. This chip could be used in a affordable very high performance video processor.
Josh-

It would have made many of happy if you would have said, "This chip will be used in affordable very high performance video processors."

;)

probably just getting the denon 3800. too bad, i'd have liked to send my DVR through this scaler.

if the realta implementation in this scaler is superior to the denon, i'll probably kick myself ;)

probably just getting the denon 3800. too bad, i'd have liked to send my DVR through this scaler.

if the realta implementation in this scaler is superior to the denon, i'll probably kick myself ;)

If you're looking to go the AVR route, check out the Onkyo TX-SR875. It's has the Reon HQV chip which is the younger sibling to the Realta. The only difference from what I understand (and I may be wrong) is that the Reon just doesn't have the ability for the manufacturer that's implementing it to customize the chip beyond Silicone Optix's design. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as some manufacturers can greatly screw up implementation. I've been comparing the Reon chip in the TX-SR875 to the Faroudja DCDI in the Denon 3808CI for the last month. For my equipment, the Reon is much better at scaling than the Faroudja and vastly improves SD and DVD incoming signals. If it's still available, see if you can get your hands on a copy of the June 2008 Home Theater Magazine. They compare 5 AVR's head to head (2 Denons including their flagship, The Onkyo 875, a Yamaha, and the Sony Flagship) for their scaling ability and place the 875 on top. Best part is, you can pick up the 875 for only $300 more than the MSRP of the Gefen and have much more than just a scaler!

I think he meant the 3800bdci, not the 3808ci.

Josh-

It would have made many of happy if you would have said, "This chip will be used in affordable very high performance video processors."

;)

I didn't not say that either...

If you're looking to go the AVR route, check out the Onkyo TX-SR875. It's has the Reon HQV chip which is the younger sibling to the Realta. The only difference from what I understand (and I may be wrong) is that the Reon just doesn't have the ability for the manufacturer that's implementing it to customize the chip beyond Silicone Optix's design. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as some manufacturers can greatly screw up implementation. I've been comparing the Reon chip in the TX-SR875 to the Faroudja DCDI in the Denon 3808CI for the last month. For my equipment, the Reon is much better at scaling than the Faroudja and vastly improves SD and DVD incoming signals. If it's still available, see if you can get your hands on a copy of the June 2008 Home Theater Magazine. They compare 5 AVR's head to head (2 Denons including their flagship, The Onkyo 875, a Yamaha, and the Sony Flagship) for their scaling ability and place the 875 on top. Best part is, you can pick up the 875 for only $300 more than the MSRP of the Gefen and have much more than just a scaler!

correct, i meant the blu-ray player, not the AVR.

I didn't not say that either...
I know, I know. :)

I'm just patiently waiting for announcements of the ABT2010 to turn up in all sorts of video processors, digital displays, DVD/Blu-Ray players, and AV receivers.

Well good thing my projector has a good deinterlacer for film and hd, as good as oppo 983 is though, the edge enhancement and noise reduction of the flea and mosquito cant be matched. Again with the abt chip for scaling the flea for noise reduction and edge enhancement, as long as your display has a good deinterlacer, im going to say I think people would be very happy with that solution over this. Not to mention it also cleans up sd, and hd sources the best I have seen. It should be an excellent alternative to this product that I dont think is coming out ever.I could have swore that the algolith programs of the mosquito would not even fit on a realta chip.

hmm, seems like this one might be a while, i may just start looking for an onkyo 875 again, does anyone know or have one? i have heard implementation was weak on this model, anyone have anything to say in comparison to what we are expecting from gefen?

hmm, seems like this one might be a while, i may just start looking for an onkyo 875 again, does anyone know or have one? i have heard implementation was weak on this model, anyone have anything to say in comparison to what we are expecting from gefen?
FWIW, take a look at Kris Deering (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member.php?u=45946)'s recent roundup (http://www.hometheatermag.com/receivers/608recfeat/index.html) of AVR's in Home Theater.

FWIW, there have been several firmware updates to the 875 so if you go that route make sure you get the current one. (A quick discussion (http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=34688) of 875's firmware on another forum.)

hmm, seems like this one might be a while, i may just start looking for an onkyo 875 again, does anyone know or have one? i have heard implementation was weak on this model, anyone have anything to say in comparison to what we are expecting from gefen?

I have an Onkyo TX-SR875 and love it. For a while there, I was considering getting a more inexpensive receiver with no (or poor) video processing and using the Gefen to handle it. But the Gefen just seems to not want to come out. So I turned to looking into the Onkyo TX-SR875 and the Denon 3808CI as AVR solutions. Below is the post from the 875 forum where I gave my opinion of them in relation to my setup. Hope this helps.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14192645#post14192645

over at the gefen forum, a tech/moderator just said september is the timeframe.

i think i might cancel my preorder...

over at the gefen forum, a tech/moderator just said september is the timeframe.

i think i might cancel my preorder...

Darn! And I was about to put in a pre-order b/c the seller told me July 2008 release. Oh, well, I guess I'll have to live awhile longer without a scaler for my TiVo.

I know, I know. :)

I'm just patiently waiting for announcements of the ABT2010 to turn up in all sorts of video processors, digital displays, DVD/Blu-Ray players, and AV receivers.

Same here and since it will take a year or more I decided to get a decent-enough integrated solution (H/K AVR-354 with Torino.)

Just to clear things up...

The Anchor Bay ASIC used in the HD-A30 is the ABT1018. This chip is our scaling solution.

The Oppo DV-983H uses the ABT1018 and the ABT102. The ABT102 contains our Precision Deinterlacing algorithms for SD deinterlacing.

Our newly released ABT2010 offers ALL of the technologies available in the VP50PRO. This chip could be used in a affordable very high performance video processor.


josh, could you tell me which chips the denon 2930, 3930 and bd3800 use for both scaling and deinterlacing? thanks.

josh, could you tell me which chips the denon 2930, 3930 and bd3800 use for both scaling and deinterlacing? thanks.

The 3930 and BD3800 use HQV's Realta T2 solution. The 2930 uses HQV's Reon.

According to an email exchange I had with Gary at Gefen today, they are targeting August for the Gefen TV Scaler Pro.

According to an email exchange I had with Gary at Gefen today, they are targeting August for the Gefen TV Scaler Pro.

Is there a reason they went from Pre-Order to Buy Now on the product page?

I just ordered it, and the order states "pre-order"

I just ordered it, and the order states "pre-order"

Then it's kinda wonky that it says Buy Now vs other items listed as Pre-Order on the website.

Ordered it some 38 hours ago, no confirmation email. When I put the order number into their website, it merely says "processing order", whatever the hell that means.

well i decided not to go with the flea, due to problems with it. But a forum member is giving me a good deal with the onkyo HD-805 HD DVD player which has the reon-vx. DVD is really the only real place I needed help. I watch SD on a 50 inch plasma, not my screen.

Still it would have been nice if the scaler came out, but cypress who is making it stopped responding to emails about the product, and said it would be available in june.

well i decided not to go with the flea, due to problems with it. But a forum member is giving me a good deal with the onkyo HD-805 HD DVD player which has the reon-vx. DVD is really the only real place I needed help. I watch SD on a 50 inch plasma, not my screen.

Still it would have been nice if the scaler came out, but cypress who is making it stopped responding to emails about the product, and said it would be available in june.

do you use a receiver with your 50 inch plasma setup? you could always go with a receiver with built in video processing like the Onkyo 875. I have one in my living room and use it with a Sharp Aquos LCD...its a pretty good audio receiver as well...I think you would be more then happy with it

On July 9, 2008, Eugene (Administrator) stated in the Gefen Forums that the "Estimated Date of Arrival Sep"

So now it is "estimated" to be September, which given track records for electronic gear should be in early November.

Time to cancel my "Buy Now"/pre-order and look at the H&K 354 AVR

On July 9, 2008, Eugene (Administrator) stated in the Gefen Forums that the "Estimated Date of Arrival Sep"

So now it is "estimated" to be September, which given track records for electronic gear should be in early November.

Time to cancel my "Buy Now"/pre-order and look at the H&K 354 AVR

Uuugh, this is why you don't pre-announce 8 months in advance :rolleyes:

I just email Gefen asking for the availability date. This was their reply:


We hope to see this product by end of September

Gary Martin
Account Manager
Gefen Inc.

I just email Gefen asking for the availability date. This was their reply:


We hope to see this product by end of September

Gary Martin
Account Manager
Gefen Inc.

VAPORWARE :eek:

I just email Gefen asking for the availability date. This was their reply:


We hope to see this product by end of September

Gary Martin
Account Manager
Gefen Inc.

its amazing that every time I hear a date on this thing its a month later then last time

Does September mean October? :eek:

...and October means November...and Feb means March...give me a break. By the time it comes out one probably has no use for it and it is embedded in other gear. Vaporware is good name for it.

ya. come on now, we are watching less and less SD everyday you know. by the time this comes around, we might all have 100+ channels of HD lite to view. :rolleyes:

Whatever the hold up is I would be worried if I was planning to get one. By the time it does hit it may need a buglite!

I gave up on this VP in May. I agree, by the time this thing comes out we might not have as much need for it.

I just email Gefen asking for the availability date. This was their reply:
We hope to see this product by end of September

Gary Martin
Account Manager
Gefen Inc.

Well, that pretty much kills my interest. :(

I think I'm going to just bite the bullet and get the Denon DVP-602CI.

I think I'm going to just bite the bullet and get the Denon DVP-602CI.

WOW, now this must be a quality product, i dont see it anywhere on ebay or amazon and i only find it selling used for MSRP. i take it HQV implementation went well.. ?

WOW, now this must be a quality product, i dont see it anywhere on ebay or amazon and i only find it selling used for MSRP. i take it HQV implementation went well.. ?

The Denon was just recently released, and I'm assuming that not many people who are in the market for a standalone video processor have used it yet. Although, I'm sure that it's a reliable product since its basic Realta implementation topology is found in Denon's new high-end AVR and pre/pro. Some find it to be limited in features, but it does everything I need it to do. The only problem for me is the price.

It will be available just in time for the 2009 CES in January - when they announce the brand new upgraded version that will be available soon!

The Denon was just recently released, and I'm assuming that not many people who are in the market for a standalone video processor have used it yet. Although, I'm sure that it's a reliable product since its basic Realta implementation topology is found in Denon's new high-end AVR and pre/pro. Some find it to be limited in features, but it does everything I need it to do. The only problem for me is the price.


It costs less than a DVDO VP50pro. But a good dedicated scaler/processor has always been expensive.

It costs less than a DVDO VP50pro. But a good dedicated scaler/processor has always been expensive.

True. Assuming that it is reliable and free from glitches, the Denon is a bargain when compared to the VP30/ABT102 that I once owned.

I think I'm going to just bite the bullet and get the Denon DVP-602CI.

MSmith83,

I'd be interested in hearing your feedback on the Denon DVP-602CI once you get it and have had time to evaluate it.

Cheers,
Ciccio

may I ask you guys a question?

Is it meant for your Plasma/LCD TV? or projector?

I tried the Gefen HTS from a friend. to my surprise, even a Samsung 5084 full HD Plasma beats its scaling capability......however, I still find that I can't get anywhere near to CRT PQ.....

I also found out that VP50 is also quite an old product.......would it still do a significant good job compared to the latest Plasma TV's internal upscaler?

Is it just my computer, or has Gefen's site really been down for 2 days?

still down :D are you staying next to me? lol!

I would give it a try if i could find it locally in VANCOUVER BC.I have a ONKYO 875 . The reon processor causes more problems than it fixes in my setup.It causes lots of pixalation and background noise especially on dark material.when i have it on pass through=processing off then its ok .I played with all combos and even did a bypass so my HD box is directly connected to my tv.Better off not using its scaling.My samsung 5281 led LCD and motorola 6416 look better on there own.From what i was just reading DVDO have something called THE EDGE looks like more featured than this one.I also chatted to lumagen and they are bringing out a lower coast scaler with HDMI also.I think they all see that high end,high prices for scalers is keeping the majority of the public out of the market.Bring on the competition.

are crickets chirping right now? DVDO edge anyone?

I was thinking the same thing. Now Gefen can kiss goodbye to many of its potential customers. Proves the point that having a chip doesn't mean a thing, it all comes down to programming & implementation.

I also chatted to lumagen and they are bringing out a lower coast scaler with HDMI also.I think they all see that high end,high prices for scalers is keeping the majority of the public out of the market.Bring on the competition.

Nice, high quality options are quickly growing in this limited price range. I'm gonna sit this one out for a while and see what becomes of them, or doesn't become... :cough:Gefen:cough:

They had their window of opportunity and for some reason let it close completely... If this unit would have come out in April, May or June they could have done well. Now with delay after delay I think the only ones getting it will be family and friends of gefen.

why's everyone posting the same thing over and over again? i mean, i'm annoyed too and is/was also a deposit customer.

that said, didn't the gefen rep already say september? ruminating in between now and then without new information doesn't seem to accomplish anything...

just sayin'

True. Assuming that it is reliable and free from glitches, the Denon is a bargain when compared to the VP30/ABT102 that I once owned.
How so? the VP30 w/abt 102 is $2498 MSRP and the Denon is $2499 MSRP.

More money and fewer features.

Good luck

The rep may have said September but do you really believe any date they say now? It's like they are just throwing darts at a calendar... :D

How so? the VP30 w/abt 102 is $2498 MSRP and the Denon is $2499 MSRP.

More money and fewer features.

Good luck

The Denon has proper 1080i de-interlacing and competent noise reduction/edge enhancement controls. For me, these are very important things that the VP30/ABT102 combo lacks.

That being said, I may hold off on a purchase yet again in anticipation for DVDO's newly announced EDGE. You've got to love aggressive competition.

VP50 Pro can be found for under $2k.

Which one is better looking on paper DVDO's newly announced EDGE or Gefen TV Scaler Pro with Realta?

Which one is better looking on paper DVDO's newly announced EDGE or Gefen TV Scaler Pro with Realta?

I would go with the Edge based on DVDO's experience with scalers and deinterlacing.

Which one is better looking on paper DVDO's newly announced EDGE or Gefen TV Scaler Pro with Realta?

Can't make that call yet. If Gefen implements the noise reduction of Realta properly, it might have the edge (pun intended).

Can't make that call yet. If Gefen implements the noise reduction of Realta properly, it might have the edge (pun intended).

Can you please clarify? I have yet to hear of a Realta implementation that performs either mosquito noise reduction or block artifact reduction on HD sources.

Both the Algolith Dragonfly and Vantage HD performed mosquito noise reduction and block artifact reduction on SD sources only.

I also believe the hqv website is purposefully silent on the topic.

And DVDO's MNR is worthless, and that's all they've got. Realta wins even if it's only good with SD.

anybody care to summarize the difference between the DVDO Edge and this?

Seems like gefen doesn't do beta testing hehe....

Does September mean October? :eek:

...and October means November...and Feb means March...give me a break. By the time it comes out one probably has no use for it and it is embedded in other gear. Vaporware is good name for it.

just called gefen, still "probably the end of sept". for scaler pro.

end of aug. for hdmi audio processor.

i cancelled my preorder but will watch up here for reviews when the product is finally released. it's competing against the dvdo edge for me...

And DVDO's MNR is worthless, and that's all they've got. Realta wins even if it's only good with SD.

Nice uninformed opinion. Please justify your position with facts:)

i cancelled my preorder but will watch up here for reviews when the product is finally released. it's competing against the dvdo edge for me...

same here.

i cancelled my preorder but will watch up here for reviews when the product is finally released. it's competing against the dvdo edge for me...

What methodology did you use which actually gave you some response that you canceled? I emailed them with a cancellation note about two weeks ago, but have received no response or even an idea that they got the email.

i ordered from valleyseek, so i just called them and cancelled. they sent me a confirmation email within two hours

is there any 1-1 comparison between this and the DVDO Edge? how comprehensive is this compared to the VintageHD that's using the same chipset?

is there any 1-1 comparison between this and the DVDO Edge? how comprehensive is this compared to the VintageHD that's using the same chipset?

We still don't know the specifics of what exactly the Gefen will do. As such, I will say that the EDGE is looking a lot better on paper from a feature and quality perspective. We'll see how things will play out, but I think Gefen lost a great opportunity to sell many of these processors. They announced it much too soon.

The ability to do the proper vertical stretch for lens based 2.35x1 cih setups seems to be a big determining factor for desirability of both edge and scaler pro. it is for me anyway. so far we dont really know if either will do it. at least i dont.

i question the edges 'zoom' method. it sounds like the same method the oppo 983h uses for 'vert. stretch'; i have yet to see/hear of anyone using it for said cih purpose.

seems to me that which ever one does the stretch properly will be 'the winner'. if neither does it, then what...
then there is time to market. or delays.

Just musing and wondering...

Yeah, those with CIH setups have a lot to think about. Someone who's using a conventional 1080p display will probably be well-served by either option, but the conversion to 1080p/24 from film content at any normal input resolution (including progressive signals) is a big plus for the EDGE. Well, that's how I see it.

We still don't know the specifics of what exactly the Gefen will do. As such, I will say that the EDGE is looking a lot better on paper from a feature and quality perspective. We'll see how things will play out, but I think Gefen lost a great opportunity to sell many of these processors. They announced it much too soon.

but well, as SD is obsoleting, they gotta drop their price and sell as much as possible. I believe HQV Realta chip has too much in excess, that's why they are getting more and more lower end OEM to push the chips out.......after this wave, VP will be history......

but well, as SD is obsoleting

Than HD content must be falling off the face of the earth! There is way more SD content available than HD. SD cable ain't going anywhere for a long time. DVD won't be replaced for a long time. 1080p for all video games? Maybe next gen, but I doubt it.

High Quality VP's are just now becoming relatively inexpensive, why would they be coming to an end? They are just now opening their doors to a much larger market. If prices keep getting lower and lower and tech keeps getting better and better, there should be a VP in everyones home someday! :D

Perhaps I didn't understand what you meant.

obsoleting......<> gone. They will still be around.

But well, I am still wondering if all these mid range VP would be so much better than the more higher end Plasma TV like Kuro & Samsung 8045 & Series 4/5?

obsoleting......<> gone. They will still be around.

But well, I am still wondering if all these mid range VP would be so much better than the more higher end Plasma TV like Kuro & Samsung 8045 & Series 4/5?

I don't think they are meant for that kind of setup. If I knew I was going to have an external VP, why would I drop 5k on a Pioneer? Unless your using it for other features and not deinterlacing and scaling.

Any word on a release date? I have a pre-order in but now that I read about the EDGE being available soon, I'm wondering what the best move is.

I'm really interested in seeing what the Realta can do, but I know it hinges on Gefen's implementation. Does anyone think it will be better than the DVDO, or is it a no-brainer to go with the edge?

I have a 40" Bravia KDL-V3000 that I would be using it with.

Any word on a release date? I have a pre-order in but now that I read about the EDGE being available soon, I'm wondering what the best move is.

I'm really interested in seeing what the Realta can do, but I know it hinges on Gefen's implementation. Does anyone think it will be better than the DVDO, or is it a no-brainer to go with the edge?

I have a 40" Bravia KDL-V3000 that I would be using it with.

as has been already posted, gefen scaler pro vp-maybe end of sept.

the 'edge' maybe has just started shipping to beta testers.
it probably wont be available to general public for several months yet.

a while to wait for either/both vp(s).

why would you need it for a 40" tv?

I am looking to upgrade to a 50-60" unit in the near future (moving out of a small apt, the 40 would become a bedroom unit ultimately), but I figured I'd grab one via the pre-order for the better price. Would this processor not even make a difference on a 60", or is it something that would only benefit a projector setup? I am still pretty new to the whole VP scene so I apologize for any newb-ish questions :).

I'm looking to clean up SD DVD and broadcast from the noise and artifacting, as well as make sure that the HD feed from my cable is being processed right. Am I barking up the wrong tree with this model and my expectations??

Thanks for all the advice!

Dumb question: will this unit or one of the dvdo units do anything for SD from directv hr21 out to my Samsung 46" lcd?

I am looking to upgrade to a 50-60" unit in the near future (moving out of a small apt, the 40 would become a bedroom unit ultimately), but I figured I'd grab one via the pre-order for the better price. Would this processor not even make a difference on a 60", or is it something that would only benefit a projector setup? I am still pretty new to the whole VP scene so I apologize for any newb-ish questions :).

I'm looking to clean up SD DVD and broadcast from the noise and artifacting, as well as make sure that the HD feed from my cable is being processed right. Am I barking up the wrong tree with this model and my expectations??

Thanks for all the advice!

Dumb question: will this unit or one of the dvdo units do anything for SD from directv hr21 out to my Samsung 46" lcd?

cleaning/clearing up sd cont seems to be a major goal of the buyers of these vps.
imo, it currently seems there is a lot of speculation re what each vp will do for anything.

re 'edge', we need to wait 'til the beta testers get done and also for the pro reviewers, if any are involved, do their thing before we, the early adapters and general consumers, buy these.
unless one feels adventurous and wants to buy one/both? and figure it out themselves.
when they become available.

which a lot of us will surely do!:D

Well we're coasting on in to September... should we assume that no news is good news? :)

They haven't said anything new about releasing it, but they haven't announced any delays either. I'm really itching to try this unit out!

Well we're coasting on in to September... should we assume that no news is good news? :)

They haven't said anything new about releasing it, but they haven't announced any delays either. I'm really itching to try this unit out!

feel free to give 'em a call on monday. i made the last one.

I was planning to try to contact them on Tuesday when I get back from the long weekend yeah. Will post anything I find for the group. Let's hope we all get a nice surprise!

I was planning to try to contact them on Tuesday when I get back from the long weekend yeah. Will post anything I find for the group. Let's hope we all get a nice surprise!

oh yeah, it's a holiday weekend. i keep forgetting.

So it seems that people with preorders are dropping them. Anybody left that will get a unit to test it out?

So it seems that people with preorders are dropping them. Anybody left that will get a unit to test it out?

No because they will never ship :D

Gefen did have the HQV scaler on display at CEDIA. Actually there were two models - a second model had both component and HDMI outputs (I think this one is a lower model).

Unfortunately the Gefen reps knew less about this product than I did - just from reading the limited info on their website and this forum. They couldn't give me exact pricing or release date info. I tried three different people. Also, they were not featuring this model - I had to go find it at their booth and initiate all questions. They didn't even have them hooked up to a working demo display (and I think they were functional units).

Both models did have a USB port, presumably for firmware upgrades. (So it looks like you won't have to send the unit back to the factory, as with other Gefen scalers.)

I hope the Gefen HQV scaler is a good product and performs as advertised. But with the perpetually delayed release date, lack of reps' knowledge at CEDIA, and questionable HQV implementations in other products (e.g. AVRs), it looks like the DVDO Edge may the clear winner for affordable video processing -- especially at the same price point.

If they would have had it out in the early Summer (like originally planned) they would have had a good shot. I have to think it must be having issues if we are going on October (like we are) and they still have NO INFO. :eek:

losing hope on this thing... it's been pushed back to late November now... how rediculous

losing hope on this thing... it's been pushed back to late November now... how rediculous
Yes. I think they missed their window of opportunity.

With the DVDO EDGE available for pre-order in the same price range, this unit is gonna be a tough sell.

I wouldn't be surprised if DVDO EDGE ends up coming out 1st with the latest delay. It seems the HQV Gefen unit is the new Geforce FX 5800 Ultra.

I wouldn't be surprised if DVDO EDGE ends up coming out 1st with the latest delay. It seems the HQV Gefen unit is the new Geforce FX 5800 Ultra.

The Edge will be shipping next week

Wow, this thread is getting way more posts than it deserves...

well... time to jump of the sinking ship. I'm going to check out what's happening in EDGE thread :P

Wow, this thread is getting way more posts than it deserves...

I think it's turning into an Edge thread... kinda the way so may threads in the Blu-ray players area turn into PS3 threads. :D

This thing has died in my eyes. I emailed Gefen and now they are saying January 2009 or until further notice. It is a shame bcause Reon/Realta based solutions are generally pretty good. They probably can not get around the heat issues that have been experienced with other products based on these chips. I am glad I ordered the DVDO Edge!

totally sad, imo. why make hype about a product and then wait a year to release it? hype is what sells. hopefully the realta won't be updated to something better before they release this thing. that will be a shame.

If the realta implementation is a decent one I would still consider this product. I ordered the DVDO edge for my main Pioneer for HD/SD picure improvement. I really like the realta products, however, they are statispheric in price. $699 for a decent video processor is a steal. I am so disappointed at this juncture....Hello Gefen.

Did you guys notice that the price has gone up to $899.00 which is somewhat baffling considering it is late to the market & has only 2 HDMI inputs. I don't know who they are trying to compete with. At this rate DVDO Edge is becoming a better value.

I see the Gefen GTV-HTS-PRO GefenTV Scaler Pro Available now its even selling on ebay


Any comments or reviews ?