Would you buy a PS3 for $299 and become format neutral?

Assuming you don't have to sign up for a credit card to get it.

Would you buy a PS3 for $299 and become format neutral?

not if I had to apply for a Sony credit card-- If not--maybe.

not if I had to apply for a Sony credit card-- If not--maybe.

Damn!

I tried to cover all the bases!

Lets assume it is without a credit card...

I've been able to buy two HD-DVD players and 15 free movies for $300. I already have a 360 and wii for a game console so the game ability doesn't buy me much. $199 I might consider, but this is years away. If HD-DVD dies, I will be upconverting dvds for the foreseeable future.

I would buy a PS/3 for $299 if they threw in the remote control...

AND it played PS/2 games. I have a PS/2 that I'd unhook to have the PS/3 take it's place...

MEC2

I would buy a PS/3 for $299 if they threw in the remote control...

AND it played PS/2 games. I have a PS/2 that I'd unhook to have the PS/3 take it's place...

MEC2

Doesn't the 80Gb model still support the PS2 games and SACD? I know the 40 doesn't.

Seggers

I would buy a PS/3 for $299 if they threw in the remote control...

AND it played PS/2 games. I have a PS/2 that I'd unhook to have the PS/3 take it's place...

MEC2

I don't think that is going to happen, the BC part anyway, they seem to keep backing away from that.

But hey, you never know.

BTW, I think the BD remote should come with it, it is only $25 or so and would improve the first BD viewing, imho.

I've been able to buy two HD-DVD players and 15 free movies for $300. I already have a 360 and wii for a game console so the game ability doesn't buy me much. $199 I might consider, but this is years away. If HD-DVD dies, I will be upconverting dvds for the foreseeable future.

what he said, Minus the wii part. I only have the 360 for gaming and don't want a game machine as my primary HDM player!

not if I had to apply for a Sony credit card-- If not--maybe.

IF Blu-Ray wins the format war, I would consider buying a Sony Stand-Alone Blu-Ray player for $299, and take $100 off (by charging it to a newly activated SonyStyle card) -- making the final price $199 (and I could pay it off $20 per month for 10 months with 0% financing over 12 months). I believe that Pioneer makes the current Sony Blu-Ray player, so I believe the build quality would be good (although I wouldn't mind owning a Panasonic Profile 2.0 Blu-Ray player, either).

But I'm not convinced that Blu-Ray will win the format war, and I don't feel there will be a good reason to buy another high-definition video disc player until 2009.

Nope, but I have no interest in gaming, don't want a ugly console in my rack, and want something that works perfectly with my harmony remote. Not to mention the fact that $300 is still too much. I am format neutral as of this month though. I picked up a Samsung BD-P1200 for $150.

Doesn't the 80Gb model still support the PS2 games and SACD? I know the 40 doesn't.

Seggers

The 80gb does/did support PS2 games, not sure about SACD, but I don't think that the 80gb, or any version supporting BC will be $299 in the near future.

Of course I really don't know, this is all based on rumour and speculation at this point anyway.

I guess I can't vote here because I already have a PS3. I bought it used last year (before the price drops) for $375. What can I say... I had to have Kung Fu Hustle in HD. ;) But I also have a HD-XA2 and I still support HD DVD's right to exist and compete on a somewhat-level playing field.

I'm happy with my Xbox 360 :p

I'm waiting for dual format pc drives come out at a reasonable price, my media center will play both.

Why would I buy a PS3? I have an Xbox 360, and only buy combo HDM disks. Since Blu-ray does not offer combos and the Xbox that I already own has a better game library there is no point in wasting any $ on a PS3.

I guess if I would buy a PS3 for $299 I would have one now.
It doesn't do DTS-MA and contrary to what many hopefuls want to believe, the word is it can't, firmware or no.
Some time in the future when media prices come down and a full-featured BR player with internal decoding is released, I'll certainly pay $299 for one.

"If" you guys are funny...

I'd buy a stand-alone Blu-ray player for $199 with a region-free mod.

I'd rather not use a PS3 for this purpose because the firmware will keep being updated, interfering with any region-free mods which become available; stand alone players won't see nearly as many firmware updates.

I'd buy a stand-alone Blu-ray player for $199 with a region-free mod.

I'd rather not use a PS3 for this purpose because the firmware will keep being updated, interfering with any region-free mods which become available; stand alone players won't see nearly as many firmware updates.

Interesting point-of-view. As of now no, I would not dish out that money because a) There are no games out on the PS3 b) All the movies I think are great are out on HD DVD already c) The cost is still high priced.

Perhaps $199, then we're talking...

sure i'd buy one, but there are only 2 bd movies i need at the moment, close encounters and casino royale. maybe by xmas there will be enough bd-only content to justify it.

No, at this point, $299 is too high for my next DVD player. Sorry.

I'm not buying a PS3 just to watch movies. The xbox360 is all the gaming I need. I'll buy a blu-ray player if it has most of the following options and is less than $400:
1. Is BD 2.0 compliant (or whatever the number is they're at now) - I don't want to buy an obsolete player.
2. It has 5.1 (preferably 7.1) analog outs.
3. It decodes DTSHD-MA and Dolby TrueHD
4. Can play dvd-audio and sacd discs (this would be nice, but not a must have)
5. Can play my HD DVD's

No, i wouldn't pay $99 for a PS3 (ok, i wouldn't pay $10.00 for a new 80GB). Yes, i do have a 360 (though not an add-on) and a Nintendo DS (Xmas present, i guess i am just helping out companies headquartered, at least NA, in my home state). i am not going to use a video game console to watch movies off of a disc (i've seen a few things of XBL videos though). i guess i have been spooked by the rumor that doing so reduces the life of the drive. i've also purchased a bunch of the live arcade stuff too (so, i have nothing against downloads). However, i am starting to get the feeling again that i am getting too old for video games. The PS3 is a video game console. i have no need for another console, so to answer the question - no.

If i ever buy a BR player (still a big if), it has to be a stand-alone (prefer Toshiba, though i never bought any of their products before my HDTV about 6 months ago), it has to be lower than the MSRP on the HD-A3 is now and it has to be apparent that BR really has enough of a following to make it worth my while (not taking any more chances with HDM formats). It also has to have an ethernet port (i don't like or trust wireless internet) for firmware upgrades and interactivity. In theory BR has the potential to offer what i want (barely, HD DVD side is there on hardware - movie selection, not as much), but they are so far off now it is a non-issue.

Nope, I'm only interested in movies, hence I'm not gonna buy a BD enabled game-console to watch them.

don't want a game machine as my primary HDM player!
+1

a fully capable standalone BD player for $199 would be tempting, though.

$150 is my threshold for a BD player and I am prepared to wait several years for a quality player at that price point.

In the meantime, I will enjoy my current HD-DVD library (which is, admittedly, thin), continuing renting HD-DVD's, and those not available on HD-DVD, I will simply rent the DVD since DVD's look pretty damn good on my 360 add-on.

For the price of a $299 PS3 you could walk into Best buy right now and get 2 A3s, 8 movies (2 would be doubles) and 10 by mail in rebate.

I'm a gamer, so a PS3 wouldn't be unwelcome in my house, but given I own a 360 that has a majority of the third party titles the PS3 has and the fact that the exclusives on the PS3 aren't very attractive to me, Backwards compatibility becomes a big factor because I still have and intend to play the PS2 games I own.

The $399 PS3 has no backwards compatibility and reports suggest that Sony is ceasing production of the $500 backwards compatible model.

Without backwards compatibility, the price I'm willing to pay for the PS3 goes to $200 or below.

Since I already have HD players, films and games, I can wait.

Sure why not.

Give me a PS3 for 299 without the Sony Style card and I'm sold.

You can get a PS3 for $299....with the SonyStyle deal.

Why is everyone so averse to applying for a credit card? You get it, take the $100 discount, pay off the console, and cancel the card.

You can get a PS3 for $299....with the SonyStyle deal.

Why is everyone so averse to applying for a credit card? You get it, take the $100 discount, pay off the console, and cancel the card.

It could alter your credit rating, and I don't even like to deal with MIRs, much less signing up for a card, waiting for a credit, paying the bill, then cancelling the card.

Basically the reason I brought this up was the rumour about a price drop next week.

Since one of the (many) reasons people don't want blu-ray is price, I was kind of seeing if $100 off the retail of the PS3 would make a difference in anyones purchasing decision.

Kind of looks like it would sway some people but not most at this time.

I do wonder what kind of sales increase Sony is expecting, assuming the price drop is imminent.

Honestly my bluray buyin is $199 (and 2.0 compliant or can be upgraded). Until then I will use the xbox live service unless they bring us a subscription model and then i doubt i will get a bluray player until they are $49.99 on sale.

I have zero interest in a PS3.

I won't even look at Blu-Ray until all the features are there in a stand alone player for $299 or less. If prices for the BD movies are the same as current levels I may wait even longer. I have no intention of helping to pay Sony's up front costs to force BD on everyone.

PS3, lol. $99 and I'll consider it, maybe, after a few drinks.

My house has a Wii, an XBox 360, a DS, a GBA, and a PSP (collecting dust...). Why on earth would I buy a PS3? Now in this thread, not only am I being encouraged to buy a PS3 for the thousandth time on these forums, but also to get a Sony credit card. No way. Give me a 2.0 SAL for $149 and then I'll think about going Blu. Until that day comes, HD-DVD is alive and can possibly make a come-back.

My house has a Wii, an XBox 360, a DS, a GBA, and a PSP (collecting dust...). Why on earth would I buy a PS3? Now in this thread, not only am I being encouraged to buy a PS3 for the thousandth time on these forums, but also to get a Sony credit card. No way. Give me a 2.0 SAL for $149 and then I'll think about going Blu. Until that day comes, HD-DVD is alive and can possibly make a come-back.

I am not encouraging you to buy a PS3 or to sign up for a credit card.

I am just trying to find out if anyone is going to be swayed by a price drop.

I don't care if you buy one or not, and having a 360 negates a lot of the positives about the PS3 (can already play most of the games, can already stream media to your tv), so I understand why someone would not want one.

I was planning on getting a PS3 even before the Warner decision but I am waiting for the 80Gb model to go down to $399 then I will probably get one.

I really don't want a PS3. At $299 that would not change.
I still support HD-DVD, the main reason is that it was affordable to me. I do own over 30 movies now, but I will not buy a Blu player till it is 2.0 and less than $199.
Also 1080i is fine for me. I have the A2.

When I bought the A2 I paid $199. At that time I knew nothing about profiles, and if it was a blu player for that price I would have bought that insted. I wanted a high def player, so I got the first affordable one to me.

I do wish I was purple. Hopefully when this is all sorted out there will hybrid players that play both for a low price.

Honestly my bluray buyin is $199 (and 2.0 compliant or can be upgraded). Until then I will use the xbox live service unless they bring us a subscription model and then i doubt i will get a bluray player until they are $49.99 on sale.

My blu-ray buy-in is also at $199, but only for the PS3, so I'm guessing I'll be waiting a long time (if ever) for a PS3 to hit <$200.

The only reason I will ever get BLU-RAY is because of the PS3.

I am a gamer at heart however the PS3 is still way too expensive and I agree with most who have a XBOX360 as they have more and better games currently.

One day I WILL have BLu-Ray but only because I bought a $199.00(When the price drops in another year or two) PS3 gaming system.

I'm anxiously waiting if this rumor comes into fruition. I'm a movie fan, not a fanboy so I'm definitely open minded when it comes to supporting both formats.

IMO Blu Ray/PS3's price point has just been ridiculous for a format that is incomplete and lacking (IMO) in software titles (games). Fortunately the PS3 is upgradable and has a promising line up with Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, Home, etc coming this year. The PS3s functionality as a media hub is icing on the cake.

If they hit that 299 price point, I'll definitely be on board.

I might get one, but I am concerned about the BC functionality that they seemed to have ripped out of the machine.

I've been able to buy two HD-DVD players and 15 free movies for $300. I already have a 360 and wii for a game console so the game ability doesn't buy me much. $199 I might consider, but this is years away. If HD-DVD dies, I will be upconverting dvds for the foreseeable future.


+2 oh and downloads..there are SOOO many options coming..HD is not Blu...HD IS HD.

I voted for the first one. I bought my 40gbPS3 last Monday so if I can do a price cut to save $100 if this rumor comes true. I really hope it happens too!

.I dont see where buying an hd-dvd player has ANY risk .
Its pretty much free considering an A3 with seven movies ...
I'm leaning to the A35 which is still very low cost . If the format calves
negligable loss . Own and use the A1 ands its very good ..

Blu on the other hand are not fully complient . obsolete as we speak .
Why step down in features for more cost ? because of studio manipulation ??Nah

No , would not want blu if it were given to me and I was smashed drunk . Why prolong the battle by being neutral . Pick and fly with ONE ...Is my thought.

If the war needs to be ended quickly , hd-dvd IMO is not the one that needs to step down .
Actually the prices going down does not hurt my feelings , caused by the battle !!

Peace out

Bob

Would you buy a PS3 for $299 and become format neutral?No, not interested. There are some good HD DVD titles to buy (e.g. the Jack Ryan box set), and my HD DVD player does all I want it to do.

Plus, there are 90,000 DVD titles out there, with some good ones that won't be on either format ever.

Between that, HD sports on TV, HBO/Starz HD, VOD, HD DVR, and all the stuff the wife likes to watch, all my TV viewing is booked up.

I'm waiting for a good 2.0 BD player @ prices similar to HD DVD. In other words, I will revisit the decision around 2010.

The 80 gig yes, 40 no.

I don't care if it was $99. I don't want no stupid game machine in my HT set up.

1.1 compliant stand-alone player should be one of the options for voting.

I won't buy a PS3 as I am very satisfied with my Xbox360 and it has some of the best games. Anyways a gaming console doesn't fit the bill in a HT setup.

I bought into HD-DVD because it is affordable and has some very good offers. I am continuing to buy HD-DVDs and have no intention of putting in more money into BR stand-alones. If my "bet" on HD-DVDs doesn't work out (if the format actually dies out with no movie releases), I will continue with my library of SD-DVDs or go the rental/download way.

Well i am HD DVD (Buyer) only, but i own a PS3. I rent blu, about 1 or 2 a month.

I would not buy one if Sony paid me to take one. I don't have any more rack space and I would not put a game machine on my PJ with two college age kids living in the house (bulbs too expensive)! The only way I will pull the Xa2 out of the rack if I found a dual-format player that costs what a A3 does and play HD material has well as my Xa2, which means there probably will never be a BD capable device in my house.

Price is certainly not my primary factor for whether I buy into Blu-ray or not. I bought into HD DVD for several reasons, not wanting Sony to create a new format and control HDM (think root kit), price was much better, made sense from a business perspective (much cheaper to manufacture) which I though would have a bigger effect, and last but certainly not least (in fact probably the most important) was the selection of movies available on HD DVD.

Like many on AVS I lean more toward buying classics and bought newer releases primarily to support HD DVD in attempt to bolster the format. If HD DVD is to fail I will certainly not be buying most of the newer releases and my selection has already gotten much pickier.

I plan on waiting to see three things, what is released on Blu-ray (hopefully more classics but the way everyone talks that isn't where the money is for the studios), is an affordable dedicated player available (not as interested in a gaming machine), how does the format war stand (I know most say it is over but there are still a lot of unknowns...I would hate to hurry up and buy Blu-ray only to have it go belly up).

Not interested in a PS3 at all.

But if I was, I'd wait for the "mini PS3" just like I did for PS2.

I would not buy one for the reasons already mentioned:

I don't want another console, Xbox 360 is plenty.
There are not enough games to warrant the purchase of a PS3 when the 360 has the ones I already want and at a better quality.
I bought my HD player at a very affordable price with 7 free movies that I wanted.
I don't want a Sony or another company's credit card. I am trying to build my credit to a better score not lower it.
I bought my HD-A30 because I needed a new DVD player, the bonus was that it was HD DVD which looks great with my HD TV.
New profiles worry me, will my player be bricked? Will the PS3 always be able to upgrade to new firmware?

I would consider buying one, but I really don't want to pay more than what I payed for my HD DVD player. $150.00 but with new profiles always coming out, it will probably be a few years before there is one cheap enough. I don't like feeling like I am being forced to buy a Blu Ray player. Too much money for what you get; a gimped version of HD DVD. This is the kind of crap that scares off people from jumping on board. Joe 6 pack isn't stupid, why get in the middle of a format war for niche status? I like my HD DVD just fine, I like combos, I like the price, I like SALES on HDM so I can buy them for $15.00 instead of $30.00. Both formats are good in their own respects. I really have no ill will towards either, I just wonder why we get so worked up over things. If you excuse me I am going to go and watch my Bourne Ultimatum combo.

I bleed red, but recently capitulated, and bought a PS3 to go purple while all this nonsense continues to sort itself out.

I hate that it's a game console, which I do not need, and that it has 40 Gigabytes of unneeded HDD space. :confused:

However, I chose the "3" as I believe it will retain its resale value because it is in fact, a game console, and might appeal to more than just the film enthusiast when it's time to sell.

Also, from my point-of-view, it does everything I need it to do WRT Blu-ray playback. I think too much noise is generated by all this Profile 1.1 vs. 2.0 stuff. Please tell me what features I am missing out on while I await the fw upgrade to take it to 2.0?

I was swayed by the SonyStyle $299 with CC deal. It's not a big deal for me, as I have good credit, and will close the card once I pay off the console. Also, the $100 credit is directly posted to your account, not a MIR as another poster suggested.

Not interested in a PS3 at any price. If someone gave it to me free, I might consider it, but I honestly don't need more "stuff" around the house. This isn't to say that I think that the PS3 is "bad", I just don't want a gaming machine in my house no matter how great of a BD player it is.

I will be waiting until a fully functional, brand name, Profile 2.0 player hits $199 or less before I buy into BD. It is not a decision built on hate of BD or Sony or whatever. It is a simple, economic decision . . . and also why I may still buy a HD DVD player at currently low prices even though HD DVD studio support is shrinking. Truely the only thing that makes me think "bummer" about Warner chasing the cash and seeking to end the format war by going BD is the fact that it will delay my entry into and adoption of HDM . . . not because I can't afford it (I won't even qualify for Bush's silly tax rebate this year), but because I don't believe on spending a big amount of money on something I have already seen a roughly equivlaent product (mfging cost-wise) selling at 1/2 the price (HD-A30 or HD-A35). As a business person, I can appreciate the BDA's strategy around player pricing, but that doesn't mean I need to "buy into it" as a Consumer.

I think too much noise is generated by all this Profile 1.1 vs. 2.0 stuff. Please tell me what features I am missing out on while I await the fw upgrade to take it to 2.0?


Well, its not so much that you're missing out on features right now, its that when they become available (if they ever do) that you'll need to get a new player that supports them . . . unless that firmware upgrade can magically make an ethernet port/card appear inside of your standalone player. Unless you're talking about your PS3 . . . in which case of course you think the player profile bit is overblown . . . you have a player that is pretty much guaranteed to support Profile 2.0.

I'll wait for a standalone 2.0 BD player <$200.00

I've got a 360 for games, and I hardly have time to play it, yet alone another console.

Not interested in a PS3 at any price. If someone gave it to me free, I might consider it, but I honestly don't need more "stuff" around the house. This isn't to say that I think that the PS3 is "bad"I will not have any more Sony products in my house, for any reason and at whatever cost.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me two, three, or more times (SuperBeta, MiniDisc, Hi8/Digital8, ad-nauseum) shame on ME! No mas...

Already have an Xbox 360 for gaming and an XA2 for HD movies, so no need for another gaming machine. As for a BR player, I would like a standalone that's capable of decoding HD audio. I'm currently in the market for either a DF player, Sammy 5K or the Sammy BR player 1400.

So I voted no.

Would you buy a PS3 for $299 and become format neutral?

Assuming you don't have to sign up for a credit card to get it.

No I would not buy a PS3. It is not suitable for my home theater system setup. I need analog outputs.

You can get a PS3 for $299....with the SonyStyle deal.

Why is everyone so averse to applying for a credit card? You get it, take the $100 discount, pay off the console, and cancel the card.

Because many of us aren't in the mood to have anything going on with our credit reports in this economy. Some people might be buying a car, house, etc. and don't want hard inquiries or new lines opened.

I responded first because I knew I could buy a PS3 for $299 with the Sony style deal and knew where the OP was going. I guess I caught him in the act. We have a Sony style store here in Austin near my office in North Austin. I don't even have to have it delivered.

Please... I don't apply for a Nordstrom, Fry's, Macy's or Target gift card to save 10%, etc. when they ask me, either. :rolleyes:

Sony should price the BDP-S300 at $100. That would make a lot of HD DVD people go purple even though we know we'd be buying a profile 1.0 player.

Well, its not so much that you're missing out on features right now, its that when they become available (if they ever do) that you'll need to get a new player that supports them . . . unless that firmware upgrade can magically make an ethernet port/card appear inside of your standalone player.You are correct. That's why I down-selected the BD30. That and it was $200 more. No thanks, Panny.

Because many of us aren't in the mood to have anything going on with our credit reports in this economy. Some people might be buying a car, house, etc. and don't want hard inquiries or new lines opened.I understand that people have different situations, and I don't want to take this OT, but the impact of an additional $1,000 line of credit that is quickly paid-off and closed soon thereafter, will have almost no impact on your credit score.

I understand that people have different situations, and I don't want to take this OT, but the impact of an additional $1,000 line of credit that is quickly paid-off and closed soon thereafter, will have almost no impact on your credit score.

That is very difficult to determine because there are so many factors involved. I'm not saying your wrong but do you work for one of the three credit bureaus and know for a fact to make such a statement?

i have hd-dvd and would buy a ps3 or maybe other bd player for under $250.

That is very difficult to determine because there are so many factors involved. I'm not saying your wrong but do you work for one of the three credit bureaus and know for a fact to make such a statement?No.

It is difficult to determine, but out of all possible variables, it is very minor. I say this because it's a low line of credit to begin with, and if you pay it off quickly, and close the account, any adverse impact will quickly disipate.

Link (http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/DrDon/20070918_credit_score_a1.asp?prodtype=cc)

No.

It is difficult to determine, but out of all possible variables, it is very minor. I say this because it's a low line of credit to begin with, and if you pay it off quickly, and close the account, any adverse impact will quickly disipate.

Link (http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/DrDon/20070918_credit_score_a1.asp?prodtype=cc)

It isn't minor, depending on how many other cards you have and how much debt, opening another with a purchase on it can impact your score and debt to income ratio.

Anyone trying to buy a house or have already bought a house can testify to that.

Would you buy a PS3 for $299 and become format neutral?

Assuming you don't have to sign up for a credit card to get it.

I'll become format neutral when the BD spec is complete. I'll never buy a PS3 to watch movies.

I would not buy a PS3 to play movies for any price. If I were to buy a PS3 it would be to play games (which I won't, have a PC for that), and if I were to buy a BD player it would be a stand-alone. I have no use for a PS3.

Nope, but I have no interest in gaming, don't want a ugly console in my rack, and want something that works perfectly with my harmony remote. Not to mention the fact that $300 is still too much. I am format neutral as of this month though. I picked up a Samsung BD-P1200 for $150.

I thought the Samsungs still couldn't play all blu-ray movies. Issues with Java or BD+. That's part of the reason I replaced mine with a Panasonic DMP-BD30K. Have they provided a firmware fix yet?

Not surprisingly, there is a great deal of vitriol in this forum among the most ardent supporters of the format the PS3 vanquished. Your loss, the PS3 is a very nice home entertainment center.

At this point, I'm not convinced optical HDM is gonna make it. I bought my HD-DVD player towards the end of 06. I kept expecting it to take off. So now I'll be sitting on the sidelines waiting to see how things shake out. If Blu-ray takes hold, I'll probably just go with a stand-alone unit since I'm not a gamer. Although if the PS3 turns out to be a good OTA DVR and "media center" type item, I may be inclined to go that way.

No.

It is difficult to determine, but out of all possible variables, it is very minor. I say this because it's a low line of credit to begin with, and if you pay it off quickly, and close the account, any adverse impact will quickly disipate.

Link (http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/DrDon/20070918_credit_score_a1.asp?prodtype=cc)

I agree somewhat but that link is pretty much useless (same old stuff that everyone says when it comes to credit). I understand what you are saying and I was just trying to say that it is difficult to determine an individuals score.

It isn't minor, depending on how many other cards you have and how much debt, opening another with a purchase on it can impact your score and debt to income ratio.

Anyone trying to buy a house or have already bought a house can testify to that.

It will not impact your debt-to-income ratio unless you are carrying a balance and monthly payment.

Jiffy I hope you understand that much like posting this poll on a forum like blu-ray.com, you will not get an accurate sampling of the general public. While not as pro-blu as blu-ray.com is, AVS is heavily HD DVD dominated. Most of the people who post on here are early adopters and as such bought HD DVD since it released first.

Dreessen,

Nobody said the PS3 was crap. Some of us just said no thanks don't want one. Your post lends one to think you're a PS3 fanboy projecting onto others.

Jiffy I hope you understand that much like posting this poll on a forum like blu-ray.com, you will not get an accurate sampling of the general public. While not as pro-blu as blu-ray.com is, AVS is heavily HD DVD dominated. Most of the people who post on here are early adopters and as such bought HD DVD since it released first.

I was interested in the opinions of the HD DVD supporters here (where I spend too much time), not objective opinions from casual consumers.

I am kind of suprised that so many people are open to it, when you read so many negative things about Sony and the PS3 here.

I was interested in the opinions of the HD DVD supporters here (where I spend too much time), not objective opinions from casual consumers.

I am kind of suprised that so many people are open to it, when you read so many negative things about Sony and the PS3 here.

Ahhh I should have been clued in by your title. Sorry my mistake.

I would be in with a $299 PS3 if the following were true:

All studios released content on Blu-ray
Studios started digging into their back catalogs for releases
The PS3 could output DTS HD-MA
I could not hear any fan noise from the PS3
There was no comparable Blu-ray player in the same price rangeThat's all it would take for me. I'd even pay $399 if it could reliably play PS2 games.

No.

It is difficult to determine, but out of all possible variables, it is very minor. I say this because it's a low line of credit to begin with, and if you pay it off quickly, and close the account, any adverse impact will quickly disipate.

Link (http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/DrDon/20070918_credit_score_a1.asp?prodtype=cc)

This is just not true. The article you linked did NOT advise anyone to run off and collect credit cards to save a few bucks and no one in the industry would advise such a thing. There are countless things that affect your credit and several of them would be affected in this instance:

Time since last account
Too many accounts
Balance on accounts too high (in proportion of credit line-depending on what your line is)

(lesser)
Time since last inquiry
Hard Inquiry
Too many inquiries

The truth is if you have tremendous credit and have no other needs in the near future it isn't the end of the world. You can literally can trade points off your credit score for cash savings. BUT it is harder and harder to get credit and required scores continue to rise. Closing out a line of credit doesn't raise your score but taking on one SURE DOES lower it. Maybe not 100 points but it certainly matters.

Understand, there are ALWAYS CC offers that give $100 back to open an account. ALWAYS. This is not a special deal and not even a particularly good one. If you want to learn how to trade on your credit go to the fatwallet finance forums. There are a lot of people there that make 50X what you are making on this deal.

There is a reason they can build billion $ hotels in Vegas and there is a reason they can offer $100 to open up this credit card.


As for the question at hand, I did not vote but I bought a $300 PS3 off Craigslist (with 2 movies and the remote) just one week ago. So I guess that is a yes.

My entry price point is $150.

It has been for a couple of years now and I'm still waiting for a BD player to even approach this (even the PS3).

I can wait a couple more years and I'll continue to watch HD DVDs that I either picked cheaply because the format is dead or at a reasonable price because the format is still viable alongside BR.

I suspect that is what the majority of HD DVD only owners will do.
That will be also be true for the vast majority of SD owners.

I mean, what if BD has 70%-80% of the HDM market?
What's 80% of 1%? Nothing.
It means nothing in the grand scheme of things and will continue to mean nothing for at least a couple of years...

I don't care if it was $99. I don't want no stupid game machine in my HT set up.

I don't understand this attitude. The PS3 is one of the better (if not the best) Blu-ray players available and it's as inexpensive as any Blu-ray player. If you don't want to play games on it, don't buy any- voila!

What's the problem?

It will not impact your debt-to-income ratio unless you are carrying a balance and monthly payment.

Most institutions have a $10 rule. Any line that is open is assumed to have atleast a $10 min pmt. Of course, if that messes up your DTI you have some issues.

The best rates are reserved for the best credit. "A" credit has essentially moved from 720ish to 760 during the "credit crunch". To maintain a 760 is actually quite difficult. Things that don't ding your credit much at 680-720 hurt exponentially worse at 780-820.

I don't understand this attitude. The PS3 is one of the better (if not the best) Blu-ray players available and it's as inexpensive as any Blu-ray player. If you don't want to play games on it, don't buy any- voila!

What's the problem?

You need to realize that you can't change someones mind once they are set on something like this.

Best to just let them be, imho.

You need to realize that you can't change someones mind once they are set on something like this.

Best to just let them be, imho.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind; I'm just trying to understand what seems to be a common opinion around here which makes no sense to me. No argument from me; just a sincere interest in an explanation.

It isn't minor, depending on how many other cards you have and how much debt, opening another with a purchase on it can impact your score and debt to income ratio.

Anyone trying to buy a house or have already bought a house can testify to that.

This is just not true. The article you linked did NOT advise anyone to run off and collect credit cards to save a few bucks and no one in the industry would advise such a thing. There are countless things that affect your credit and several of them would be affected in this instance:.As I wrote in my earlier post, I don't want to take this thread off topic. So, if you are concerned about your credit situation, don't do it. For me, a small, short-term dip, was something I was willing to risk. That's it.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind; I'm just trying to understand what seems to be a common opinion around here which makes no sense to me. No argument from me; just a sincere interest in an explanation.

I see 3 valid reasons not to have a PS3 as your player:

1 - No analog out, so optical only for non-hdmi receivers and no lossless audio formats.

2 - No/sketchy/bad IR support, very involved, but nothing is 100% yet, even the thing on the main page is just what some guy is doing at home, not a real product.

3 - Heat/Noise - As this is more than just a standalone player, it uses more power and generates more heat, and arguably/always/sometimes fan noise.

IMHO - Any reasons other than these are more opinion than actual problems, or are possibly addressed with updates in the future.

Many people here have had a bad experience owning an HD movie format that is competing with Sony and the PS3, there are many other factors that go into a purchasing decision in their cases.

I don't understand this attitude. The PS3 is one of the better (if not the best) Blu-ray players available and it's as inexpensive as any Blu-ray player. If you don't want to play games on it, don't buy any- voila!

What's the problem?

The problem is that it essentially doesn't "fit" in a person's AV rack. It doesn't look like anything in there and it doesn't act like anything in there. If you have kids your theater room will not be your own anymore, and you can't even control it with the $300 remote you have sitting on your table (this was/is extremely frustrating to me). For me it was a no brainer but I get why people don't like the idea of it.

The problem is that it essentially doesn't "fit" in a person's AV rack. It doesn't look like anything in there and it doesn't act like anything in there. If you have kids your theater room will not be your own anymore, and you can't even control it with the $300 remote you have sitting on your table (this was/is extremely frustrating to me). For me it was a no brainer but I get why people don't like the idea of it.

I am still using my TiVo learning remote and haven't moved to a true universal because of the PS3.

I am hoping that a Universal IR/Bluetooth remote comes out soon so I can finally get one without having to do what are basically workarounds to get it working.

I have my fingers crossed that the Vave-100 will save the day in that area.

There's absolutely no way I'll ever buy any Playstation-branded console or Blu-Ray player.

I'll stick with HD-DVD (and if god forbid BD becomes the HD standard, then I'll simply continue to buy/rent standard DVDs).

The problem is that it essentially doesn't "fit" in a person's AV rack.

This reminds me of an article I read about the industrial design of the first Xbox. The designers had initially intended to match the dimensions of a standard CE rack component so that customers could set their Xboxes among their entertainment systems. Then, they described how focus-testing showed them that most game console consumers don't set their consoles in their entertainment racks, but on the floor in front of the tv, so they changed their design plans.

I thought, "You idiots- that's because no one's made a console that fits in a rack yet!"

I see 3 valid reasons not to have a PS3 as your player:

1 - No analog out, so optical only for non-hdmi receivers and no lossless audio formats.

2 - No/sketchy/bad IR support, very involved, but nothing is 100% yet, even the thing on the main page is just what some guy is doing at home, not a real product.

3 - Heat/Noise - As this is more than just a standalone player, it uses more power and generates more heat, and arguably/always/sometimes fan noise.

IMHO - Any reasons other than these are more opinion than actual problems, or are possibly addressed with updates in the future.

Many people here have had a bad experience owning an HD movie format that is competing with Sony and the PS3, there are many other factors that go into a purchasing decision in their cases.

You missed one - the lack of a loading tray. Slot loaders tend to scratch discs. While BDs have a protective coating that will [allegedly] protect them, other discs that would be inserted like regular DVDs do not.

Item #2 in your list is a deal breaker for me. The lack of IR is in and of itself enough for me to dismiss the PS3 as anything other than a gaming toy. It is not a serious piece of AV equipment, it wasn't designed to be, and it shows. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

You missed one - the lack of a loading tray. Slot loaders tend to scratch discs. While BDs have a protective coating that will [allegedly] protect them, other discs that would be inserted like regular DVDs do not.

Item #2 in your list is a deal breaker for me. The lack of IR is in and of itself enough for me to dismiss the PS3 as anything other than a gaming toy. It is not a serious piece of AV equipment, it wasn't designed to be, and it shows. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

Actually I think I covered the slot loading issue in the part after #3 ;)

I am sure some people are Xbox fans so they would rather not support the PS3. Fan noise and the remote is the issue for me, along with the price. Maybe if my harmony remote would work with it, it was quiet, and I haven't already invested $$ in HD I would be willing to spend $200 on the PS3. There are a lot of positives on the PS3 but for a die hard HD supporter the PS3 would need to be flawless. But to a die hard HD supporter it will never be flawless...

I see 3 valid reasons not to have a PS3 as your player:

1 - No analog out, so optical only for non-hdmi receivers and no lossless audio formats.

2 - No/sketchy/bad IR support, very involved, but nothing is 100% yet, even the thing on the main page is just what some guy is doing at home, not a real product.

3 - Heat/Noise - As this is more than just a standalone player, it uses more power and generates more heat, and arguably/always/sometimes fan noise.


I'll also add aesthetics, but that is a personal thing. Those are the 4 reasons why I chose a stand alone over the PS3.
J

Actually I think I covered the slot loading issue in the part after #3 ;)

:rolleyes:

No, it should be item #4 in your list. Slot loading mechanisms pose a substantially higher scratch risk to optical media. The following is a disclaimer taken straight from Panasonic's website (http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/promos_ecommerce/DualDisc.html)

Panasonic DVD players for the car and other slot-loading DVD players: If a DualDisc is used in any of these players, there is a chance that the mechanical device used to pull the disc in could scratch or scrape the DVD side of the DualDisc.

Your "part after #3" is some statement about opinion. This is fact, not opinion. Ever wonder why slot loading DVD players are quite rare, except in the mobile world where tray loaders are impractical?

If I could buy a standalone Blu-ray player that I believed in for less than $200, I'd go for it. I have a 360 already, so I'd rather not get a PS3 for my HD player - not that I dislike PS3s, but the "must have" games on my list were all 360 titles, so I went that way. I also want a dead quiet HD player, which rules out both the 360 and the PS3. And I don't like the looks of the PS3 as a part of my AV equipment (360 isn't that pretty either - and really ugly with the HD drive hanging on the side or stacked).

Then again, if the PS3 dropped to closer to that $200 number, I might do it. Since they're $399 now, that isn't going to happen real soon I'd think.

:rolleyes:

No, it should be item #4 in your list. Slot loading mechanisms pose a substantially higher scratch risk to optical media. The following is a disclaimer taken straight from Panasonic's website (http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/promos_ecommerce/DualDisc.html)



Your "part after #3" is some statement about opinion. This is fact, not opinion. Ever wonder why slot loading DVD players are quite rare, except in the mobile world where tray loaders are impractical?


So I should put in there that Panasonic warns you not to use dualdiscs in its slot loading players?

What is a dualdisc and what does that have to do with a PS3?

edit: Ooh, I found the connection, they are related in your opinion!

Then again, if the PS3 dropped to closer to that $200 number, I might do it. Since they're $399 now, that isn't going to happen real soon I'd think.

i can't picture the ps3 ever being $200 within the forseeable future. stand-alones is a possibility tho.

I would never in a million years put a friggin game console in my living room!!!

If Sony took the game end out of the console, turned into something that resembled a SAL player, gave it 5.1 analogues outs, and a IR remote control.... I would probably jump at it. But as it is now.... no thanks!

I'm a purist, standalone only, I build gaming PC's, have one of my own....don't need the PS3.....

i'll wait as long as universal and paramount continue to support hd dvd. if they go blu, i will look at picking up a br, maybe a ps3, but i only want to spend $200.00. also must be 2.0 compatable.

i would wait to buy until these 2 things happen before i switched

There's absolutely no way I'll ever buy any Playstation-branded console or Blu-Ray player.

I'll stick with HD-DVD (and if god forbid BD becomes the HD standard, then I'll simply continue to buy/rent standard DVDs).

That's pretty close-minded. What is so bad about the PS3 and BR players that would lead you to make such a statement?

I will keep it simple. Even if the PS3 was the best not only BD player, but HD player out there, many would not want it. Look, I own it and I know what it does.

Purist? Funny most of us on here are and it seems to work for me

Game console? It is way more than a game console.


Look, no one is going to convince anyone whom already has made up their mind, especially when they don't own the product.

And especially right now with the feelings all the format war has brought out. Posters are even saying it clear as day. If it was the last, best and only player left, they are so dead set against SOny, BD, and the PS3, they would never own one.

You know what, we hear you, we or at least I really do, but don't then try to make broad generalizations that are erroneous, because I as an owner of 2 PS3's in dedicated theater/media rooms make them work very well into my system. And again, no need to come back with the usual response of great it works for you, but doesn't for me. It isn't really about need or not working for someone, it is about want and I understand and respect that the PS3 isn't what some want and doesn't do what some want.

I will keep it simple. Even if the PS3 was the best not only BD player, but HD player out there, many would not want it. Look, I own it and I know what it does.

Purist? Funny most of us on here are and it seems to work for me

Game console? It is way more than a game console.


Look, no one is going to convince anyone whom already has made up their mind, especially when they don't own the product.

And especially right now with the feelings all the format war has brought out. Posters are even saying it clear as day. If it was the last, best and only player left, they are so dead set against SOny, BD, and the PS3, they would never own one.

You know what, we hear you, we or at least I really do, but don't then try to make broad generalizations that are erroneous, because I as an owner of 2 PS3's in dedicated theater/media rooms make them work very well into my system. And again, no need to come back with the usual response of great it works for you, but doesn't for me. It isn't really about need or not working for someone, it is about want and I understand and respect that the PS3 isn't what some want and doesn't do what some want.

Is the PS3 truly for a home theater system? Can the PS3 pass bitstream THD or DTSMA?

Is the PS3 truly for a home theater system? Can the PS3 pass bitstream THD or DTSMA?

What player's HD-DVD or Blu-ray bitstream DTS-MA?

What player's HD-DVD or Blu-ray bitstream DTS-MA?
My understanding leads me to believe that A35 does. Here is a quick post about A35 (http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12852235&postcount=2481)
I also thought that the Panny BD30 did as well.

Side Note:
Doesn't Fox use it?

Is the PS3 truly for a home theater system? Can the PS3 pass bitstream THD or DTSMA?

Quite possibly. It seems to have all that's needed and it is made by the comapny that spec'ed out BD.

Personally I've bought a PS3 40, having had the Samsung 5000 (piece of junk IMHO), and will wait it out until the BD2.0 is confirmed and players are out and stable for it.

It does do up converting, it does have HDMI, it does have an ethernet connection, pretty much all it will need is the FW. Assuming, of course, that the inards will cope with it.

I will buy a decent Denon AVR, and wait for something better to come afterwards.

Then I plan to kill every pixel that gets in my way..... :D:D:D

Seggers

My understanding leads me to believe that A35 does. Here is a quick post about A35 (http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12852235&postcount=2481)
I also thought that the Panny BD30 did as well.

Side Note:
Doesn't Fox use it?

DTS HD-MA is becoming more and more important as new titles are being released. I am an A2 owner at this point, and my future HD players, be they Blu-ray or HD DVD, will have to at least bitstream all codecs. If the PS3 can deliver this, it is something I will consider when it comes time to purchase a Blu-ray player.

I was told that the PS3 doesn't pass bitstream THD or DTSMA. That's why I asked. I was looking for information to say if it does or doesn't. If it doesn't then I have to ask how it can be considered part of a complete Home Theater Package (per my previous question).

I was told that the PS3 doesn't pass bitstream THD or DTSMA. That's why I asked. I was looking for information to say if it does or doesn't. If it doesn't then I have to ask how it can be considered a complete Home Theater Package (per my previous question).

It doesn't.

I've been able to buy two HD-DVD players and 15 free movies for $300. I already have a 360 and wii for a game console so the game ability doesn't buy me much. $199 I might consider, but this is years away. If HD-DVD dies, I will be upconverting dvds for the foreseeable future.

$199 is my price point as well (including tax/shippping).

$199 is my price point as well (including tax/shippping).

Thats what I am waiting for as well.

I see NO POINT in buying a blu-ray player with the current specs for as much as they are.

I am looking for a player that can at least do 1.1, has analog outs, can decode all the audio formats in the player for $199 or less. DTS Master decoding internally is a MUST for me since FOX loves to use it along with many other movies.

It can happen and will happen if they want mass adoption. I will just have to wait!


To be honest my A1 does a good job up converting blu-ray only studios and I really see no point in paying $350+ for a new player.

I would buy a PS/3 for $299 if they threw in the remote control...

AND it played PS/2 games. I have a PS/2 that I'd unhook to have the PS/3 take it's place...

MEC2

+1

I personally would not. I have a 360, and there have not been any games on the ps3 that are not on the 360 that I really want. I bought the a2 for $200 with 5 free dvds...that is probably my internal limit on how much I'd spend on a player, and I would not want it to be a console.

I won't allow a game console to be connected to my HT - period. No price is low enough for me to buy a PS3 as a BD player.

However, when I see a decent BD player for ~$149 or so, I'll probably jump in.

So I should put in there that Panasonic warns you not to use dualdiscs in its slot loading players?

What is a dualdisc and what does that have to do with a PS3?

edit: Ooh, I found the connection, they are related in your opinion!

A dualdisc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DualDisc) is simply a two-sided optical media - one side is a CD and the other is a DVD. They are more susceptible to damage because of their slightly thicker design, but any two sided media is at risk in a slot loader. Even single sided discs can easily be scratched by slot loaders if a jam should occur. Tray loaders on the other hand don't scratch or jam with dualdiscs, or two sided discs, or discs with label stickers on top.

Furthermore, slot loaders are a horrible concept because:

1. They are more prone to failure
PS3 DOA video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7oBYXjOG4) There are many more examples of broken PS3's on youtube.

2. They can't load discs that are non-circular / odd shaped, and they almost always can't load discs that differ from the standard 120mm size. Many places will put digital photos on 80mm discs, some digital recorders use smaller discs, businesses use smaller or non-circular discs for advertising & promotion purposes, etc. (One particular example is I have a Superbad promo DVD that is only 80mm)

This particular limitation is even on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc_drive)

Current optical drives use either a tray-loading mechanism, where the disc is loaded onto a motorised or manually operated tray, or a slot-loading mechanism, where the disc is slid into a slot and drawn in by motorised rollers. Slot-loading drives have the disadvantage that they cannot usually accept the smaller 80 mm discs or any non-standard sizes

Apple (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58641) uses primarily slot loading drives, and has a page on the subject of irregular disc shapes & sizes. This is particularly a problem for a computer drive because some manufacturers ship drivers on smaller optical discs (Logitech for example).

As I said earlier, if slot loaders were a good idea then you would see them on DVD players and other AV equipment. You don't except where trays are impractical, and in fact slot loaders are less common now than they were 10 years ago (Compaq used to ship their computers with slot loading CD-ROM drives, and went away from it because of the reasons I outlined).

Again, you missed this as a problem with the PS3. It's a major turnoff.

That's pretty close-minded. What is so bad about the PS3 and BR players that would lead you to make such a statement?

Personal preference really.
Just as some people prefer American-made cars to imports, I prefer that my setup be devoid of any Sony products...PS3 and Blu-Ray formats included.

I had a PSP once. I got it cause it could play movies on UMD... At the time probably one of the better set ups for watch movies on a plane (have you ever tried opening a laptop on a plane for 90 mins).

But then they came out with the iPod video, and then Amazon unbox (for the play for sure crowd). And then rippers and transcoders. Not to mention mp4s from the web.

And then they stopped making UMD movies (well, Sony pictures still releases some now and then).

And now you want to know if I want to start this all over again with Bl-UMD's, i mean Blu-Ray? Hummm... gonna pass this round.

I won't allow a game console to be connected to my HT - period. No price is low enough for me to buy a PS3 as a BD player.

I really cringe when I see people so stubborn and emotional that they deny themselves access to (arguably) the best and fastest BD player on the market and all the movies not available on HD DVD. I wasn't crazy about buying a "game system" either but I got over it real fast. Didn't take long to realize the PS3 is a very powerful piece of hardware and works very well as a BD/DVD player.

Personal preference really.
Just as some people prefer American-made cars to imports, I prefer that my setup be devoid of any Sony products...PS3 and Blu-Ray formats included.

So, what are you going to do when HD DVD goes the way of the dodo and you can't get anymore HiDef films?

Sony won this time. Time to accept, grow up and move on.

And yes, I have several Sony pieces in my HT makeup, and they all get good reviews from people that come in to watch films/tv on/through them.

Seggers

Thanks again for all the feedback guys, and I think SuperGrafx's expanation is fine.

It is his preference, just like someone who prefers American made to imports, for no other reason that it is their preference.

I want a stand-alone BD player, not an *ugly* game machine no matter how great it may be.

I really cringe when I see people so stubborn and emotional that they deny themselves access to (arguably) the best and fastest BD player on the market and all the movies not available on HD DVD. I wasn't crazy about buying a "game system" either but I got over it real fast. Didn't take long to realize the PS3 is a very powerful piece of hardware and works very well as a BD/DVD player.

It's a game system!
I don't want one, I don't care how great it plays it's movie discs.
Why do i feel sometimes when I read comments by few that love Blu-Ray and own a PS3 they need to sell me one?

It's a game system!
I don't want one, I don't care how great it plays it's movie discs.
Why do i feel sometimes when I read comments by few that love Blu-Ray and own a PS3 they need to sell me one?

In my case it is because I really like it and just assume that others who are into video would really like it as well.

Sort of like my Prius, want to talk to me about that? ;)

(just got it last weekend, due to totalling my cherokee, averaging 47mpg in my first week)

It's a game system!
I don't want one, I don't care how great it plays it's movie discs.
Why do i feel sometimes when I read comments by few that love Blu-Ray and own a PS3 they need to sell me one?

Why don't you put a big black metal case around it? I dont understand the dillema. Mine sits in my stand on its side just like my cable box, receiver, and hd dvd player. It is the same color and is actually smaller then the other 3 but they all are different sizes. Just because it is "techinically" a game machine doesnt mean anything to me.

I want a stand-alone BD player, not an *ugly* game machine no matter how great it may be.

If it performs good then I don't care how ugly it is. Besides, I have an entertainment center where I could easily hide it. I would much rather have a good standalone player but if the PS3 is the best then I will get that.

It's a game system!
I don't want one, I don't care how great it plays it's movie discs.
Why do i feel sometimes when I read comments by few that love Blu-Ray and own a PS3 they need to sell me one?


Because you don't own one, therefore you don't really know how good they are and you come across as many do as seemingly being stubborn. Like you said you don't care how good it is, so even if it was the only player and or best player you wouldn't get one just out of sheer stubborness. Reverse the mentallity to try and think how we see and experience it. For many of us there is no other BD player as the PS3 is a no brainer. Complete opposite. It all depends on view and opinion. Some have said they don't want it because of the way it looks and yet at the same time they admit they won't ever see it anyway as it would be hidden. Oh and within reason, almost no stand alone can or will be able to do what the PS3 can.

If it performs good then I don't care how ugly it is. Besides, I have an entertainment center where I could easily hide it. I would much rather have a good standalone player but if the PS3 is the best then I will get that.
Everyone is in a different situation. I don't have an entertainment centre where I could hide the machine, everything is in the open. I also don't have a family or play room, everything is in the living room. So although I don't live in a nice house, I want thngs to look as minimalist as possible and the PS3 looks like a prop from an sci-fi action blockbuster.

Why don't you put a big black metal case around it? I dont understand the dillema. Mine sits in my stand on its side just like my cable box, receiver, and hd dvd player. It is the same color and is actually smaller then the other 3 but they all are different sizes. Just because it is "techinically" a game machine doesnt mean anything to me.
Yes, to you. To me, it looks darn ugly and I don't want to do anything extra to hide it. I don't understand why PS3 lovers insist so much that others adopt the machine? Leave Me Alone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvztsEj1l8Q).

Because you don't own one, therefore you don't really know how good they are and you come across as many do as seemingly being stubborn. Like you said you don't care how good it is, so even if it was the only player and or best player you wouldn't get one just out of sheer stubborness. Reverse the mentallity to try and think how we see and experience it. For many of us there is no other BD player as the PS3 is a no brainer. Complete opposite. It all depends on view and opinion. Some have said they don't want it because of the way it looks and yet at the same time they admit they won't ever see it anyway as it would be hidden. Oh and within reason, almost no stand alone can or will be able to do what the PS3 can.
I will wait for that perfect BD player for me.

Yes, to you. To me, it looks darn ugly and I don't want to do anything extra to hide it. I don't understand why PS3 lovers insist so much that others adopt the machine? Leave Me Alone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvztsEj1l8Q).


I will wait for that perfect BD player for me.


I like the link. One of my fav 80's bands. :D

Because you don't own one, therefore you don't really know how good they are and you come across as many do as seemingly being stubborn. Like you said you don't care how good it is, so even if it was the only player and or best player you wouldn't get one just out of sheer stubborness. Reverse the mentallity to try and think how we see and experience it. For many of us there is no other BD player as the PS3 is a no brainer. Complete opposite. It all depends on view and opinion. Some have said they don't want it because of the way it looks and yet at the same time they admit they won't ever see it anyway as it would be hidden. Oh and within reason, almost no stand alone can or will be able to do what the PS3 can.

maybe it's me only but some sound like pod people or religious followers trying their hardest to make you believe.
Like that oping scene from "Airplane" when Robert Hays is trying to pass the hari christners:D
You say im subborn? you guys are because, a lot of us don't want that amazing machine:rolleyes:

Why don't you put a big black metal case around it? I dont understand the dillema. Mine sits in my stand on its side just like my cable box, receiver, and hd dvd player. It is the same color and is actually smaller then the other 3 but they all are different sizes. Just because it is "techinically" a game machine doesnt mean anything to me.

Huh? a black metal case around it?
glad it worked for you, but I rather not bother:eek:

It's a game machine, remote sold separately:p

maybe it's me only but some sound like pod people or religious followers trying their hardest to make you believe.
You say im subborn? you guys are because, a lot of us don't want that amazing machine:rolleyes:

Not sure if you meant me but I was just saying that if I were to get a BR player then I would want the best and if the PS3 is the best then that is what I would get. Of course, I am not a big gamer and would much rather have a standalone player in my home theater.

Don't get me wrong, I am a big HD-DVD fan. I own the A20 and a bunch HDM. I also don't have anything BR yet but I was planning on getting a PS3 even before the Warner decision. I am still kinda hoping HD-DVD will win out then I won't really need the PS3.

Because you don't own one, therefore you don't really know how good they are and you come across as many do as seemingly being stubborn. Like you said you don't care how good it is, so even if it was the only player and or best player you wouldn't get one just out of sheer stubborness. Reverse the mentallity to try and think how we see and experience it. For many of us there is no other BD player as the PS3 is a no brainer. Complete opposite. It all depends on view and opinion. Some have said they don't want it because of the way it looks and yet at the same time they admit they won't ever see it anyway as it would be hidden. Oh and within reason, almost no stand alone can or will be able to do what the PS3 can.

I think somebody misunderstood what I said. I never said that the PS3 wasn't a perfectly good BD player, nor did I say that I don't like the way it looks. What I said was: I WILL NOT allow any game console to be connected to my HT. I have 4 kids, and I have worked very hard to impress upon them that we will NOT burn up hours on my projector bulb for games. Thus, I will NOT - UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES - connect a game machine to my projector.
Period.

It doesn't matter if it's a 360 with a HD DVD drive, a PS3 as a BD player, or any other game system with video playing capabilities; it is NOT going into my HT rack. [FWIW, I bought a separate screen for gaming in the kids' playroom, but it's not big enough to effectively watch movies, nor does it have much of an audio system attached.]


If the PS3 happens to be the best BD player available, then tough. I will do without BD until they release out a product that meets my needs at a reasonable price.

I really cringe when I see people so stubborn and emotional that they deny themselves access to (arguably) the best and fastest BD player on the market and all the movies not available on HD DVD. I wasn't crazy about buying a "game system" either but I got over it real fast. Didn't take long to realize the PS3 is a very powerful piece of hardware and works very well as a BD/DVD player.

See above. It's not about BD, nor is it about the performance of the PS3 as a video player; it's about the fact that in MY household, a game console WILL NOT be connected to my projector. No way, no how. It's not stubborn/emotional, it's based on the needs of my family.

I think your response was extremely condescending and presumptuous.

Call me crazy but i think PS3 looks great.. And my Onkyo 605 is Ugly.. But that's my take on it...

See above. It's not about BD, nor is it about the performance of the PS3 as a video player; it's about the fact that in MY household, a game console WILL NOT be connected to my projector. No way, no how. It's not stubborn/emotional, it's based on the needs of my family.

I think your response was extremely condescending and presumptuous.

I'm sorry if you were offended. You didn't mention anything about having kids and not wanting them to get access to a gaming system, so I had no idea. Countless times I've seen people say they won't buy a PS3 merely because it happens to be a game system, and by all appearances you were saying just that. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I'm sorry if you were offended. You didn't mention anything about having kids and not wanting them to get access to a gaming system, so I had no idea. Countless times I've seen people say they won't buy a PS3 merely because it happens to be a game system, and by all appearances you were saying just that. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Maybe that should be a valid complaint added to my list about the PS3.

#4 will cause your HT Setup usage to drastically increase with HDM usage, music and video streaming, and gaming.

;)

It's a game system! I don't want one, I don't care how great it plays it's movie discs. Why do i feel sometimes when I read comments by few that love Blu-Ray and own a PS3 they need to sell me one?

I'm not trying to sell anybody on anything. Just sharing my personal experience and observation. What I "love" is movies in high definition, not Blu Ray or HD DVD as formats. It just so happens I have more HD DVDs than BDs and I am very happy with my Toshiba HD-XA2.

I think somebody misunderstood what I said. I never said that the PS3 wasn't a perfectly good BD player, nor did I say that I don't like the way it looks. What I said was: I WILL NOT allow any game console to be connected to my HT. I have 4 kids, and I have worked very hard to impress upon them that we will NOT burn up hours on my projector bulb for games. Thus, I will NOT - UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES - connect a game machine to my projector.
Period.

It doesn't matter if it's a 360 with a HD DVD drive, a PS3 as a BD player, or any other game system with video playing capabilities; it is NOT going into my HT rack. [FWIW, I bought a separate screen for gaming in the kids' playroom, but it's not big enough to effectively watch movies, nor does it have much of an audio system attached.]


If the PS3 happens to be the best BD player available, then tough. I will do without BD until they release out a product that meets my needs at a reasonable price.


How about simply not having the kids use the PS3?

Call me crazy but i think PS3 looks great.. And my Onkyo 605 is Ugly.. But that's my take on it...


Truth in opinion. At least they got away from the typical rectangular box and were really thinking nex gen. It is different and even myself at times I tend to be a bit conservative.

Any Blu-ray player that goes into my sytem has to be a standalone unit with infrared control (universal remote compatible), will have to support all profiles and bitstream both Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD MA in all their 7.1 glory. It will also need to upscale SD DVD better than than the PS3 (preferably via the Reon or Realta chip). Preferably, I'd like all this in a dual format (BD/HD) player with DVD-A/SACD support (Oppo, are ya listenin'?). I'd expect to pay more than $300 for the universal capabilities, obviously . . .

How about simply not having the kids use the PS3?

Thats what i was thinking...

I would never buy a game console as the main player for my Home Theater's HD movies, unless it was damn near free.

I would never buy a game console as the main player for my Home Theater's HD movies, unless it was damn near free.

Do you have kids too?! :D

I didn't want a game system either, but I did want to be able to get movies in HD that are only available on BD. The PS3 is perhaps the fastest and most upgradable/future-proof BD player there is (at any price). So I just had to put aside my reservations and try it out for myself.

So, what are you going to do when HD DVD goes the way of the dodo and you can't get anymore HiDef films?

Sony won this time. Time to accept, grow up and move on.

And yes, I have several Sony pieces in my HT makeup, and they all get good reviews from people that come in to watch films/tv on/through them.

Seggers

I'll just continue to buy standard def DVD's and download HD content from Xbox Live or whatever. Other options exist.

It will also need to upscale SD DVD better than than the PS3 (preferably via the Reon or Realta chip).These fixed-function chips can't become as versatile as what Cell processor in PS3 can be toward DVD input. Just see what Toshiba demonstrated with it at the CES.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/toshiba-cell-broadband-video-processor

Any Blu-ray player that goes into my sytem has to be a standalone unit with infrared control (universal remote compatible), will have to support all profiles and bitstream both Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD MA in all their 7.1 glory. It will also need to upscale SD DVD better than than the PS3 (preferably via the Reon or Realta chip). Preferably, I'd like all this in a dual format (BD/HD) player with DVD-A/SACD support (Oppo, are ya listenin'?). I'd expect to pay more than $300 for the universal capabilities, obviously . . .


And since the BD player you want remains elusive and might never happen except with a PS3 you aren't getting anything ever.

I would never buy a game console as the main player for my Home Theater's HD movies, unless it was damn near free.

We can argue this or debate or what ever you want to call it as we have so many times RT. The 360 is a game console with an HD add on. The PS3 is a multimedia machine with BD built in. It is no more a game console than it is a BD player. And...it HAD to end up where it did in the gaming section because of the exact psychology we see here on AVS. People are convinced it is a game console and so Sony, not being dummies, put it exactly where those who knew about its potential and what it could do would look for it.


Here is where I can relate. I would never own a 360, but not for the reasons many state here. I have nothing against MS, the 360 or HD DVD. I have an all in one solution for HDM and gaming.

Of course this is all want and preference, but when enthusiasts like ourselves say things like, "I don't want to have to pick up a second remote", many will realistically respond by calling BS, because it seems stubborn and childlike. I have three remotes. One is for the Denon receiver that I could use to control my cable box and tv, but I don't. The second is my PS3 controller. I don't see the point of the BD controller as the PS3 controller works well. The third is my DVR cable remote. Personally I like using each separate remote as they seem to function well and there is not changing modes and such on a Uni remote. I have all my sources thru the Denon, its remote controls the changing of sources and volume. And IR? ugh. It is so nice not to have to point at a device. I have all my components behind me in my dedicated media room so I don't see anything, but my remotes work well.

I know most of us proponents aren't going to convince anyone whose mind is made up or whose want overrides being open minded, but I do know the PS3 works well for me and has far exceeded my expectations.

Classic case of to each his own. :D

I didn't want a game system either, but I did want to be able to get movies in HD that are only available on BD. The PS3 is perhaps the fastest and most upgradable/future-proof BD player there is (at any price). So I just had to put aside my reservations and try it out for myself.

I really believe that this is understood by HD DVD only owners. I haven't heard anyone say anything negative about its Blu-ray capabilities, other than the inability to bitstream advanced audio and the lack of analog outputs.

I know the point of this thread is to find out (for whatever reason) what percentage of HD DVD owners would get a PS3 for $299. There are some that will and some that won't and some like me who are uncertain.

Although we all enter these threads at our own peril, it gets tiresome to constantly hear that we are wrong if we don't want a game machine as our main player. No one is saying that it doesn't work for some. It's just not the right solution for others. Can't it just be left at that?

NOTE: This reply is not meant to single out btp, who always seems to be cordial on these boards. It' a general observation that has always been bothersome and remains so to this day...

I really believe that this is understood by HD DVD only owners. I haven't heard anyone say anything negative about its Blu-ray capabilities, other than the inability to bitstream advanced audio and the lack of analog outputs.

I know the point of this thread is to find out (for whatever reason) what percentage of HD DVD owners would get a PS3 for $299. There are some that will and some that won't and some like me who are uncertain.

Although we all enter these threads at our own peril, it gets tiresome to constantly hear that we are wrong if we don't want a game machine as our main player. No one is saying that it doesn't work for some. It's just not the right solution for others. Can't it just be left at that?

NOTE: This reply is not meant to single out btp, who always seems to be cordial on these boards. It' a general observation that has always been bothersome and remains so to this day...

I hear you jpco. I and most others who the PS3 does work for are seeing nitpicky preferences that when removed, many seem to be able to make it work for them. When some like myself are so impressed with one of the best CE items out there in years, we want to share the genuine joy and wish others could experience it as well. :)

-My Xbox360 plays better games plus Xbox live

-My XA2 plays better movies and upconverts better

-My George Forman Grill makes better burgers


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No need for a PS3 here.......:p:D

-My Xbox360 plays better games plus Xbox live
Nonsense. Plays better games or games better?

-My XA2 plays better movies and upconverts better
Just & again, plays better movies or movies better? Define better

-My George Forman Grill makes better burgers
But does it reduce fat by 4% over pan frying & double as a panini maker? Come back with something original.

Nonsense. Plays better games or games better?


Both....
Nonsense? Try playing Madden online with PS3 and then play it on Xbox live.


Just & again, plays better movies or movies better? Define better


Just & again, both. Both HD and DVD playback are superior on the XA2 with superior video and audio decoding compared to the PS3.



But does it reduce fat by 4% over pan frying & double as a panini maker? Come back with something original.

PS3 increases my fat intake because in the end, I can't cook burgers on it so I would have to get them from a burger chain which always has more fat.

If Sony somehow convinces/bribes all the studios to stop making HD DVD, which is the ONLY way they will ever stop HD DVD, then the only Bluray player I would get would be one made from Toshiba with final spec.

However, I would be in no rush since almost all of the BD movies I have rented did not look better than good upconverted DVDs.

The best looking Bluray movie vs the best looking HD DVD movie is most likely the same in PQ/AQ BUT it has been my experience that Bluray has alot more "DVD looking" releases than HD DVD does. Most likely thanks to all those 25GB mpg-2 discs they have.

Both HD and DVD playback are superior on the XA2 with superior video and audio decoding compared to the PS3.

If Sony somehow convinces/bribes all the studios to stop making HD DVD, which is the ONLY way they will ever stop HD DVD, then the only Bluray player I would get would be one made from Toshiba with final spec.

However, I would be in no rush since almost all of the BD movies I have rented did not look better than good upconverted DVDs.


"The believer is happy. The doubter is wise."

"The believer is happy. The doubter is wise."


"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it"

Both....
Nonsense? Try playing Madden online with PS3 and then play it on Xbox live.



Just & again, both. Both HD and DVD playback are superior on the XA2 with superior video and audio decoding compared to the PS3.




PS3 increases my fat intake because in the end, I can't cook burgers on it so I would have to get them from a burger chain which always has more fat.

If Sony somehow convinces/bribes all the studios to stop making HD DVD, which is the ONLY way they will ever stop HD DVD, then the only Bluray player I would get would be one made from Toshiba with final spec.

However, I would be in no rush since almost all of the BD movies I have rented did not look better than good upconverted DVDs.

The best looking Bluray movie vs the best looking HD DVD movie is most likely the same in PQ/AQ BUT it has been my experience that Bluray has alot more "DVD looking" releases than HD DVD does. Most likely thanks to all those 25GB mpg-2 discs they have.

25Gb Mpeg2? HD DVD is stuck in single layer hell and BD already plays 50Gb discs.

Personally speaking I bought the PS3 because it seems to be the best, and most currently furture proof, BD player there is. Once the dust settles and the BD crowd (which, BTW, isn't just Sony) finally stops fiddling with the BD format, then I'll buy another (dare I say real) BD player and the PS3 will be a games unit/back up BD unit.

I have a black TV stand, with other black units on it (tivo), and as the PS3 is black, it will blend in real well. I have no kids either (not trying to annoy those that do).

I also have an A35 coming to join the HT crew too. :)

Seggers

So, what are you going to do when HD DVD goes the way of the dodo and you can't get anymore HiDef films?

Sony won this time. Time to accept, grow up and move on.

And yes, I have several Sony pieces in my HT makeup, and they all get good reviews from people that come in to watch films/tv on/through them.

Seggers This is pretty arrogant...sad....coming from a fellow WNY'er..Well off to my Cheektowaga BB for the HD-DVD BOGO....

This is pretty arrogant...sad....coming from a fellow WNY'er..Well off to my Cheektowaga BB for the HD-DVD BOGO....

I say it like I see it.

Seggers

-My Xbox360 plays better games plus Xbox live

-My XA2 plays better movies and upconverts better

-My George Forman Grill makes better burgers


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/VETTHRET/ps3grill_2006-11-21.jpg


No need for a PS3 here.......:p:D
- Your paid service has more interruptions!

- Your XA2 has only 2 maior studios left come MAY, and is not a media server.

- When your 360 gets RROD day after 3 years extended warranty you would be left with just a paper weight!

I do not want a game system as my primary movie player. For me, the biggest obstacle with the PS3 is lack of analog outs. To upgrade my pre/pro (Anthem AVM30) just for the PS3 is not a good decision, although I've been debating this upgrade decision for the last year (not based on the PS3).

The other reasons although I might be able to get over are:
-RF remote (I know I can buy an adapter for this, and subsequently program my Marantz 9200 and route another IR eye).
-Heat. It's would be located in a ventilated area, but I don't like the idea of too much heat.
-Noise. When the system is cool, it runs at a tolerable level. When it get hot and the fan kicks in, the noise is unacceptable in my HT.
-Form factor: Aside from the looks (which I'm not partial to), I would have to place the unit on the top shelf. The fact that I can't utilize the top of the unit to put anything on it is yet another downfall. For example, when I want to configure something in the rack that require video output, I hook up my portable DVD player as a display device. It is very convenient to use the top shelf as the cables are already routed there. I could just reroute the cables and use the floor, but this is not an elegant solution.

What I am waiting for is a full 2.0 BD player that is reasonably priced <$500 CAD with analog outs for my primary BD player. I currently have my eyes on the new Samsung dual player coming later this quarter.

On the flip side, I will eventually get a PS3 for my living room setup as a gaming machine first, and double as a secondary BD player.

Although we all enter these threads at our own peril, it gets tiresome to constantly hear that we are wrong if we don't want a game machine as our main player. No one is saying that it doesn't work for some. It's just not the right solution for others. Can't it just be left at that?

To me, it's not a matter of right or wrong. And I could just as easily say "suit yourself" to people that are don't like the notion of a game machine as a DVD player. That's how I felt originally, and still do to a lesser extent. But... based on my personal experience, I would rather say "don't knock it until you try it" or "keep an open mind".

- Your paid service has more interruptions!

- Your XA2 has only 2 maior studios left come MAY, and is not a media server.

- When your 360 gets RROD day after 3 years extended warranty you would be left with just a paper weight!

Seems that there are A LOT of broken (as-is) PS3s on ebay - most seem to have a display problem. Maybe Sony needs to extend the warranty on the PS3 like M$ did for Xbox users.

BTW, my XA2 still plays all the HD-DVDs I own now plus upconverts DVDs from all the studios and all the self-authored HD-DVDs I want to make ;)

Seems that there are A LOT of broken (as-is) PS3s on ebay - most seem to have a display problem. Maybe Sony needs to extend the warranty on the PS3 like M$ did for Xbox users.

BTW, my XA2 still plays all the HD-DVDs I own now plus upconverts DVDs from all the studios and all the self-authored HD-DVDs I want to make ;)

The newer version of the 360s have a reportedly improved failure rate of 10%.

The older version - rumored to be 30%, and considering every person I know has had at least one 360 fail it doesn't seem very hard to believe.

As is doesn't mean broken, as is means as is.

Funny that micro-soft can make such a ****** product, and people still defend it! If was other way around we would never hear the end of it! HMMMM.. Sounds very familiar!

Funny that micro-soft can make such a ****** product, and people still defend it! If was other way around we would never hear the end of it! HMMMM.. Sounds very familiar!

This is what I keep thinking. I even had one forum member say that this is no different than PCs and if they fail just get another. How many 360's were really sold?

How did this guy become worth 50b with a product that has so many built in flaws/defects. If it was a car or airline company they would have been out of business along time ago with that many built in defects.

Seems that there are A LOT of broken (as-is) PS3s on ebay - most seem to have a display problem. Maybe Sony needs to extend the warranty on the PS3 like M$ did for Xbox users.

BTW, my XA2 still plays all the HD-DVDs I own now plus upconverts DVDs from all the studios and all the self-authored HD-DVDs I want to make ;)

Actually Sony did. The main issue was or is failed BD drives on the 60g units that were first release. They extended the warranty.

If those units are being sold by the original owners they are idiots because Sony is covering them under warranty.

- Your paid service has more interruptions!



Yes it DOES!!! PEOPLE CHEATING get their service interupted and I love it.

Regardless, I would rather have a great game free of cheaters interupted once in a while then an average laggy game full of glitchers/cheaters who do as they please with no recourse. This is what I have noticed and why I no longer play on "free" servers from playstation.



- Your XA2 has only 2 maior studios left come MAY,



That is just speculation. You have no way of knowing who studios will or will not support in May. Till BD gets 100% studio support, final specs and 50GB discs on ALL releases then I will consider a BD SA player. The majority of BDs I have rented have looked no better than XA2 upconverted DVDs on my 61" HDTV, with RE3 and War being the latest examples.

I heard back on Jan 6/08 that it should be just a matter of days before 100% studio support is reached. So what's the delay? Haven't Bluray won the war?:p;):D



...and is not a media server.


Sony has really been "serving the media" alright but I don't like what they are serving so, sorry but no thanks......


- When your 360 gets RROD day after 3 years extended warranty you would be left with just a paper weight!

Gee, too bad I have an Elite huh? 3 years from now if I'm buying a new Xbox it will most likely be the 720.

Bottom line is, The Xbox is as good as it gets for console gaming right now. Could it be better? Sure but it is LIGHT years ahead of PS3 online play, has more game to choose from and looks/plays better on titles available for both.

Perhaps thats why it continues to outsell the PS3 even WITHOUT a built in HD DVD or Bluray player.

And since the BD player you want remains elusive and might never happen except with a PS3 you aren't getting anything ever.

That pretty much covers it. More importantly, IF BD can't provide that level in an SA, then BD will never go mainstream and it will die

I'm waiting for the LG BH200 or the Samsung dual format players to get the bugs worked out of them, then I buy one of those.

25Gb Mpeg2? HD DVD is stuck in single layer hell and BD already plays 50Gb discs.


Thats one of BDs biggest deceptions. How many discs are actually 50GB? On average the HD DVD disc are actually bigger.




Personally speaking I bought the PS3 because it seems to be the best, and most currently furture proof, BD player there is. Once the dust settles and the BD crowd (which, BTW, isn't just Sony) finally stops fiddling with the BD format, then I'll buy another (dare I say real) BD player and the PS3 will be a games unit/back up BD unit.

I have a black TV stand, with other black units on it (tivo), and as the PS3 is black, it will blend in real well. I have no kids either (not trying to annoy those that do).

I also have an A35 coming to join the HT crew too. :)

Seggers

I had access to both early, and if you're happy with the PS3 then great but I have a hard time believing anyone who actually has played both if they say they prefer the PS3 especially for online play.

Most likely that why playstation has lost so many of it exclusives and their games are now available for both consoles. I also can't stand the controller and on my bros PS3, the controllers would lose their signal waaay too often. We have yet to see our Xboxs do that even once.

I know PS3 fans are tired of hearing it, but my reason for not wanting a PS3 is because I don't want a game console to play movies. I don't own a 360 either, however I do own the Nintendo Wii and it covers my gaming fix just fine, even if it's SD.

I don't want to use a game controller to play movies. How about Sony tossing in a remote in the box? I understand the PS3 is arguably the best BD player out there, but others will come, right?

I just returned my A2 to Wally-World. It was a fire-sale unit and my 90-day window to return it was closing. I pretty much finished up my HD DVD queue on Netflix and am officially going to the sidelines and watch what happens. Combo players are still a possibility for me but so far I'm not convinced that the units are "there" yet. As far as BD is concerned, I want to wait until more 2.0 ready units come out and compete.

I'll reassess in the summertime.

ps3 @ $200 with a 80 gig hardrive and no bc (don't need it)

Thats my buy in price

How about simply not having the kids use the PS3?

After 5+ years of refusing to hook up a game console to my system, what message do you think I would be sending by hooking up MY game console? Do you have kids? That would be the most blatant display of hypocrisy I can imagine - certainly NOT the way to impress your kids with consistency and fairness.

No, the simple act of purchasing a PS3 and connecting it would do more damage than it's worth.

This is NOT a problem with BD, though. I am not in any way saying that the PS3 isn't a good CE product for someone who wants that combination of features. However, what I want for my HT is a standalone player with full functionality (read 2.0) at a reasonable price. By the time these are available, it may be a better deal to get a dual-format machine, and I'll move the XA2 to a second system (or keep it as the primary upconverter).

BTW, I think the poster who said that BD is no better than upconverted SD is probably seeing with rose-coored glasses. Yes, the upconversion of the XA2 is outstanding, but there is still a significant difference between either HDM format and SD DVD. If you really can't tell the difference between upconverted SD DVD and BD on your system, can you really tell a difference with HD DVD? On my 100" RS-1 system, the difference is pretty clear, so I expect that barring something REALLY unexpected happening in the market, I will eventually get some sort of BD player.

After 5+ years of refusing to hook up a game console to my system, what message do you think I would be sending by hooking up MY game console? Do you have kids? That would be the most blatant display of hypocrisy I can imagine - certainly NOT the way to impress your kids with consistency and fairness.

No, the simple act of purchasing a PS3 and connecting it would do more damage than it's worth.

This is NOT a problem with BD, though. I am not in any way saying that the PS3 isn't a good CE product for someone who wants that combination of features. However, what I want for my HT is a standalone player with full functionality (read 2.0) at a reasonable price. By the time these are available, it may be a better deal to get a dual-format machine, and I'll move the XA2 to a second system (or keep it as the primary upconverter).

BTW, I think the poster who said that BD is no better than upconverted SD is probably seeing with rose-coored glasses. Yes, the upconversion of the XA2 is outstanding, but there is still a significant difference between either HDM format and SD DVD. If you really can't tell the difference between upconverted SD DVD and BD on your system, can you really tell a difference with HD DVD? On my 100" RS-1 system, the difference is pretty clear, so I expect that barring something REALLY unexpected happening in the market, I will eventually get some sort of BD player.


Yes, I do have children and we all view how to raise them a bit differently. I look at it like any behaviour or thing I do or have done that I don't want them to do does NOT make me a hypocrit. My children are not me, they are individuals. These are examples only, but if I had murdered someone and did drugs or some other unaccpetable behaviours and told my kids not to do those things, I don't look at it like I am a hypocrit, but rather telling my children how not to be an idiot.

Who is running the show, you or your children? Hooking up a game console doesn't mean it has to be used for games.

Let's assume your children are under 18 as well. You don't let your kids do things that you as an adult may do or have done. You may not want your kids to ever do some of the things you have done, but telling them not to do things you have done doesn't make you a hypocrit, but rather an intelligent and concerned parent. I ride motorcycles. I would prefer my son never rode them and I tell him as much and how dangerous they are. When he is 18 he will make his own mind up about riding or not, but in the meantime I am not being a hypocrit, but rather sharing my experiences and concern for his safety.

Enough rambling. You don't want the PS3 and I understand.

Both....
Nonsense? Try playing Madden online with PS3 and then play it on Xbox live.


http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/digitaljoystick/library/RedRingofDeath.jpg
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/digitaljoystick/archives/129866.asp

Nonsense indeed. XBL? Did you get your free Arcade game to compensate you for the outages? :p



However, I would be in no rush since almost all of the BD movies I have rented did not look better than good upconverted DVDs.


Now I know you're just trolling. :rolleyes:



The best looking Bluray movie vs the best looking HD DVD movie is most likely the same in PQ/AQ BUT it has been my experience that Bluray has alot more "DVD looking" releases than HD DVD does. Most likely thanks to all those 25GB mpg-2 discs they have.

Maybe if you've progressed beyond October 2006, you'll find very many BD50 with an enormous lead in the use of lossless audio, as well as superior averaged ratings in both PQ and AQ from all of the major review sites (helped no doubt by Universal's glut of sub-par catalog releases). I could bother linking you to Doby's summarized data, but it's most likely a waste of time.

Thats one of BDs biggest deceptions. How many discs are actually 50GB? On average the HD DVD disc are actually bigger.




I had access to both early, and if you're happy with the PS3 then great but I have a hard time believing anyone who actually has played both if they say they prefer the PS3 especially for online play.

Most likely that why playstation has lost so many of it exclusives and their games are now available for both consoles. I also can't stand the controller and on my bros PS3, the controllers would lose their signal waaay too often. We have yet to see our Xboxs do that even once.

I probably didn't make it clear enough, so I will now. The PS3's primary role in life will be as a BD player. Once I have a decent 2.0 spec BD player, then it will get to play.

I'm not sure what BDs you're watching, or even if your system can cope with them, but no (and I mean *NO*) BDs that I've watched have been anything less than freaking spectacular.

Actually, maybe you shouldn't use the yellow lead of your RCA cables for your BD player.... :):D:p

Seggers.

After 5+ years of refusing to hook up a game console to my system, what message do you think I would be sending by hooking up MY game console? Do you have kids? That would be the most blatant display of hypocrisy I can imagine - certainly NOT the way to impress your kids with consistency and fairness.

No, the simple act of purchasing a PS3 and connecting it would do more damage than it's worth.
"A ship in the harbour is safe, but that is not what ships are built for."

Perhaps thats why it continues to outsell the PS3 even WITHOUT a built in HD DVD or Bluray player.

Believe it or not, but there is a big bright bubbly world outside of North America.... http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php

"A ship in the harbour is safe, but that is not what ships are built for."



Believe it or not, but there is a big bright bubbly world outside of North America.... http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php

Nice:)

My thing is, let em be mad. i dont lose any sleep over it.
Ive got my ps3, and everything is fine.

I think this thread has served its purpose. Browsing through the last few pages, it is a straight up battle between Microsoft (xbox) and Sony (PS3) fanboys.

It is of absolutely no use to the AV enthusiast community who could hardly be bothered with gaming consoles.

I think this thread has served its purpose. Browsing through the last few pages, it is a straight up battle between Microsoft (xbox) and Sony (PS3) fanboys.

It is of absolutely no use to the AV enthusiast community who could hardly be bothered with gaming consoles.


I disagree completely. Liking something doesn't mean you dislike the other. It doesn't mean you have to bash the other. It doesn't mean you have to be a fanboy to state that you like a product and does well. You can compliment what you own and not have to elevate it by bashing the others.

I am an AV enthusiast. The problem is perspective. Many keep looking at the PS3 as a game console. It isn't the PS2 or the PS2's crappy DVD player. It isn't your children's or parents game console. It is much more. It is a video and audio philes dream for those who love gaming, movies and much more.

-My Xbox360 plays better games plus Xbox live

-My XA2 plays better movies and upconverts better

-My George Forman Grill makes better burgers


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/VETTHRET/ps3grill_2006-11-21.jpg


No need for a PS3 here.......:p:D

I like the pic,but really...:eek:
What the H*LL did you do to that poor PS3?;):D

Actually,I should have said...
What did the poor PS3 do to you that you would turn it into a grill?;)

I disagree completely. Liking something doesn't mean you dislike the other. It doesn't mean you have to bash the other. It doesn't mean you have to be a fanboy to state that you like a product and does well. You can compliment what you own and not have to elevate it by bashing the others.

I am an AV enthusiast. The problem is perspective. Many keep looking at the PS3 as a game console. It isn't the PS2 or the PS2's crappy DVD player. It isn't your children's or parents game console. It is much more. It is a video and audio philes dream for those who love gaming, movies and much more.

That's the very definition of fanboys isn't it? Not only must you love the product you own, you must also spend time bashing anything else anyone might fancy.

The PS3 may be a fantastic machine and might be one of the first consoles to even mildly interest the AV enthusiast but this thread is about HD-DVD owners and their choices.

I don't know why "blu education" should carry on in every thread opened here. It's a bit like unwanted evangelism. It just riles up the whole community.

That's the very definition of fanboys isn't it? Not only must you love the product you own, you must also spend time bashing anything else anyone might fancy.

The PS3 may be a fantastic machine and might be one of the first consoles to even mildly interest the AV enthusiast but this thread is about HD-DVD owners and their choices.

I don't know why "blu education" should carry on in every thread opened here. It's a bit like unwanted evangelism. It just riles up the whole community.

You are the one who is acting like a fanboy and I don't think he was bashing anything (other than the PS2:)). I am a HD-DVD owner and don't own any BR but planning on getting a PS3. I enjoy hi-def movies and will be enjoying them in both formats unlike others who seem a little close-minded.

Just learned that Denon has stated they won't do a profile 2.0 player until 2.0 becomes a final standard which is not expected to happen until late this year.

I guess that means that the Panny bd50 will not be a "real" profile 2.0 player. Well, that will now keep me out until next year. Guess it also explains why PS3 hasn't gotten any updates yet. It's that "half baked" BD again.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12977349#post12977349

look at #6

Just learned that Denon has stated they won't do a profile 2.0 player until 2.0 becomes a final standard which is not expected to happen until late this year.

I guess that means that the Panny bd50 will not be a "real" profile 2.0 player. Well, that will now keep me out until next year. Guess it also explains why PS3 hasn't gotten any updates yet. It's that "half baked" BD again.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12977349#post12977349

look at #6

The PS3 hasn't gotten any updates yet because there are no titles, before 2.0 titles come out, the PS3 will be updated to support it, just like with 1.1.

FWIW - I don't care if anyone out here buys a PS3, I just wanted to know if a rumored price drop mattered to anyone who solely supported HD DVD.

The magic price for a BD player with final 2.0 specs would be $199.99, but that won't be for another two years... oh well...

Just learned that Denon has stated they won't do a profile 2.0 player until 2.0 becomes a final standard which is not expected to happen until late this year.

I guess that means that the Panny bd50 will not be a "real" profile 2.0 player. Well, that will now keep me out until next year. Guess it also explains why PS3 hasn't gotten any updates yet. It's that "half baked" BD again.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12977349#post12977349

look at #6

I'll be disappointed if the BD50 is not a real 2.0 player because that is the one that mosts interests me as I consider if/when to enter the Blu-ray market. I do generally like Panasonic products, but the LFE and 1.1 issues the BD30 is having makes me wonder when this all really will be worked out.

Still waiting...

Jiffylush,

Personally, I don't care what they drop the PS3 price to. I won't be buying a game machine.

I am really disappointed to hear about Profile 2, I was kind of counting on the Panny to be good enough to buy. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens. I know I won't have the cash for a denon player.

The LFE issue is also somewhat disturbing. I guess that is something else we will have to watch and see

I'll be disappointed if the BD50 is not a real 2.0 player because that is the one that mosts interests me as I consider if/when to enter the Blu-ray market. I do generally like Panasonic products, but the LFE and 1.1 issues the BD30 is having makes me wonder when this all really will be worked out.

Still waiting...

Amazing isn't it? BD still isn't "done".

I'd get it for 199. But chances are high I skip this generation of consoles all together. The only game I play on the consoles is NCAA Football. And since the PS2 version looks like ass on my DLP. I am picking up a PSP this summer when NCAA football 09 comes out for it.

So chances are I'd get it for 149.99 as a BluRay player.

Well, heh,heh, even the BD group said they were forced to release a year early because of the HDDVD release. BD is lucky it didn't implode and HDDVD was probably hoping it would. Oh, well, guess that ship has sailed

I guess the poll answered your question and most are not buying a PS3 anytime soon. Oh well, better luck next time!

Would you buy a PS3 for $299 and become format neutral?

Assuming you don't have to sign up for a credit card to get it.

Yes, which would put it at $199 with the card. Then I'd buy it. $200 (or close) is my magic price point of entry.

Pat

As someone who recently did this, I'll add my 2 cents. I wanted to add bluray alongside my XA2 so that I could see movies from all studios. I found a 20GB model (first generation with full BC capability) on craigslist for $350 including Casino Royale on bluray (this was before the 40gb was even talked about, so at the time the price was right).

I bought the bluetooth remote and even though it's a pain to have a second remote alongside my harmony, I suffer through it. I'm glad I did it though as Sony released a patch allowing you to use the PS3 as a media hub with divx and WMV files shared through WMP11. (yeah you can do the same thing with the 360, but I don't have one of those in the living room.)

So in the end, it became a worthwhile purchase based on the bluray, and an even better purchase based on the divx support added later.

My SXRD is just fine, thanks. :)

Except the actual image.;)

I wouldn't pay more than $40 for an HDDVD player right now, I'd pay more than that for any BD player

I would buy a PS3 for $299 if they threw in a new BMW M3.

I would buy a PS3 for $299 if they threw in a new BMW M3.

i would buy a PS3 for $299 if they threw in a new BMW X3 or Toshiba HD-XA2 (or HD-XA3).

No PS3 for me either - I'm with the 76% who said "No"...

Truth be told, I wouldn't buy a game machine either for movie playback...

But if I was a youthful gamer....

FWIW - I don't care if anyone out here buys a PS3, I just wanted to know if a rumored price drop mattered to anyone who solely supported HD DVD.

Hello Jiffylush,

I just purchased a PS3 (and 3 movies) last night after a perfect margarita after having supported HD DVD since May, 2006. It was also frustrating to see $29.99 BD discs next to $27.99 HD DVD discs at Best Buy. What?

I am hoping this PoS3 holds some resale value for the day when a real SA profile 2.0 player is available. It will be gone in a heartbeat.

Hello Jiffylush,

I just purchased a PS3 (and 3 movies) last night after a perfect margarita after having supported HD DVD since May, 2006. It was also frustrating to see $29.99 BD discs next to $27.99 HD DVD discs at Best Buy. What?

I am hoping this PoS3 holds some resale value for the day when a real SA profile 2.0 player is available. It will be gone in a heartbeat.

PoS3?

Why did you purchase it?

If you have some sort of irrational negative feelings about a product why would you purchase it?

When I buy new things I tend to be excited about them, like when I got my TV, or my new receiver, or my PS3, or my wife's iphone, or my car.

Purchasing new things that you do not need should be a pleasant experience, if you aren't happy about the product why did you buy it?

I would buy a PS3 for $299 if they threw in a new BMW M3.

hehe... please Mr. Sony, I'd like the same deal for the Audi S5, okay ? ...Oh well, nevermind, the M3 will do just fine.;)

You crybabys consistently make me laugh.
If you dont want a ps3...heres some advice..."Dont buy one".

Wow...now insnt that a novel idea?
Genius huh?

You already know why its so expensive because of all the other things it has built into it.

In fact, other bd players are going to go down in price..or you can just never do hd and stay with normal dvds....

cracks me up..heh..like someone has a glock to your skull "forcing" you to buy a ps3....please...

PoS3?

Why did you purchase it?

If you have some sort of irrational negative feelings about a product why would you purchase it?

When I buy new things I tend to be excited about them, like when I got my TV, or my new receiver, or my PS3, or my wife's iphone, or my car.

Purchasing new things that you do not need should be a pleasant experience, if you aren't happy about the product why did you buy it?

To watch blu-ray discs silly! What else is there that does not take an eternity to load and that the CE manfuacturer supports with downloadable firmware upgrades? NOTHING!

I was forced to go PS3 and I do not like the device as a movie disc playback device. I also am hoping to unload it when a real player is available ... try that with a Samsung BD player. There were plenty of open box specials on Samsungs at Best Buy last night. That told me "do not touch"

By the way, I only "fall in love" with gadgets that make me happy and the PS3 is not in that category. For you maybe but not for me. Does this surprise you?

Here is another list of products I buy that I don't like:
suppositories
sympathy cards
root canals

To watch blu-ray discs silly! What else is there that does not take an eternity to load and that the CE manfuacturer supports with downloadable firmware upgrades? NOTHING!

I was forced to go PS3 and I do not like the device as a movie disc playback device. I also am hoping to unload it when a real player is available ... try that with a Samsung BD player. There were plenty of open box specials on Samsungs at Best Buy last night. That told me "do not touch"

By the way, I only "fall in love" with gadgets that make me happy and the PS3 is not in that category. For you maybe but not for me. Does this surprise you?

Here is another list of products I buy that I don't like:
suppositories
sympathy cards
root canals

Nobody forced you to do anything. You can live happy without HDM. Your post as a trollish scent more and more.

Nobody forced you to do anything. You can live happy without HDM. Your post as a trollish scent more and more.

Warner, Disney, FOX and SPHE forced me to double up on HDM players. I have a 119" diagonal 1080p system, I don't think I can live happily with SD when HD is out there.

People sure get upset when everyone does not line up to worship the PS3. I own one now, I have an opinion.

thanks all.

larry