I know there more than a few reviews on the HD/RS1 around, but I wanted to share my thoughts and observations, particularly coming from a DLP projector.

My last two projectors have been DLP. The first was a Davis DL450 clone back about 7 years ago. This was a SVGA unit. My second was a Benq PE7700 which I have had for about the past three years. On Thursday I installed my new projector, a HD1. I was a little nervous about going from DLP to another technology, as I had read some arn't happy with the differences.

Well my fears were totally unfounded! I had seen RBE on both DLP units, and although it wasn't a deal breaker, it was distracting at times. Thats GONE :) I have to say my eyes seem to feel less strained after prolonged watching too. Not sure if this is due to the lack of RBE or just my excitment of haveing a new toy....
I have to say I can't see the "different look" people talk about either. Although I might see it if I compare a 1080 DLP. Maybe??

I use a 1.1 gain 100" 16x9 screen, and sit about 11' back. The good news is that pixel structure is now totally invisable from there.

I'd also like to make some comments on issues often discussed (and discussed...) on this forum about the HD1.
Now I wouldn't call myself a videophile, although I am picky, and I do own calibration software.

Bright corners Yes I see them, but only just. Not often is there a screen that is all black for long anyway. Most woudln't even notice them if they weren't looking for them.

Noise (Fan) Not as quiet as the VW60, but really not too bad. High lamp mode is another thing though. That is loud. But I find that economy setting is bright enough.

Sharpness Comparing this to my two other single chip DLPs I find it rather comparable. If anything the slight, and I mean slight panel misconvergence is what makes it look a little less sharp. But thats only close to the screen and reading PC text. I can't see how people could complain about sharpness during a movie.

Black Performance Wow, this is impressive. Lots of detail in dark scenes that I have not seen before. Certainly much better than my PE7700.

Colour It looks great!! IMO. I'm sure it is over saturated, and I did notice this a couple times, but it wasn't enough to make me stop enjoying the movie!

OK so there are my impressions of the HD1 coming from a DLP.

Also in general as great as this forum is, I think it can be a trap for some. Problems are often blown WAAAY out of proportion. This PJ is fantastic, and all its problems seem rather insignificant, when compared to the fantastic picture it throws.

Well I'm off to enjoy re-watching more movies!

Cheers
Jamie

Colour It looks great!! IMO. I'm sure it is over saturated, and I did notice this a couple times, but it wasn't enough to make me stop enjoying the movie!

If you knock down the color setting a little, anywhere from -6 to -10 or so, this may take care of the oversaturated look on those few scenes. I did this on my RS1 and have never noticed any saturation problems since.

Congrats on your new projector. As one who is also sensitive to RBE, I know how nice it is when you move to a projector that doesn't present that problem.

Also in general as great as this forum is, I think it can be a trap for some. Problems are often blown WAAAY out of proportion. This PJ is fantastic, and all its problems seem rather insignificant, when compared to the fantastic picture it throws.

Great observation.

The debates that take place here are really over picture quality differences that most of the population would not notice much less care about.

Still, even for someone that does notice and care about these differences, the RS1 is a great projector. Enjoy!

P.S. Take smitty's advice and turn down the color control a few clicks. It tames the yellows and greens. Since I did that, I have never even thought about the colors, other than that they looked wonderful.

I'm glad you like it. I love mine! no plans on switching to something else

Yes this forum can display it's warts very easily. You take one or two people and let them go crazy saying the same thing over and over again and people start getting neurotic and paranoid. Do we let people yell fire in a theater just for fun?

The more you watch the more you'll recognize the benefits of LCOS.

I know there more than a few reviews on the HD/RS1 around, but I wanted to share my thoughts and observations, particularly coming from a DLP projector.

My last two projectors have been DLP. The first was a Davis DL450 clone back about 7 years ago. This was a SVGA unit. My second was a Benq PE7700 which I have had for about the past three years. On Thursday I installed my new projector, a HD1. I was a little nervous about going from DLP to another technology, as I had read some arn't happy with the differences.

Well my fears were totally unfounded! I had seen RBE on both DLP units, and although it wasn't a deal breaker, it was distracting at times. Thats GONE :) I have to say my eyes seem to feel less strained after prolonged watching too. Not sure if this is due to the lack of RBE or just my excitment of haveing a new toy....
I have to say I can't see the "different look" people talk about either. Although I might see it if I compare a 1080 DLP. Maybe??

I use a 1.1 gain 100" 16x9 screen, and sit about 11' back. The good news is that pixel structure is now totally invisable from there.

I'd also like to make some comments on issues often discussed (and discussed...) on this forum about the HD1.
Now I wouldn't call myself a videophile, although I am picky, and I do own calibration software.

Bright corners Yes I see them, but only just. Not often is there a screen that is all black for long anyway. Most woudln't even notice them if they weren't looking for them.

Noise (Fan) Not as quiet as the VW60, but really not too bad. High lamp mode is another thing though. That is loud. But I find that economy setting is bright enough.

Sharpness Comparing this to my two other single chip DLPs I find it rather comparable. If anything the slight, and I mean slight panel misconvergence is what makes it look a little less sharp. But thats only close to the screen and reading PC text. I can't see how people could complain about sharpness during a movie.

Black Performance Wow, this is impressive. Lots of detail in dark scenes that I have not seen before. Certainly much better than my PE7700.

Colour It looks great!! IMO. I'm sure it is over saturated, and I did notice this a couple times, but it wasn't enough to make me stop enjoying the movie!

OK so there are my impressions of the HD1 coming from a DLP.

Also in general as great as this forum is, I think it can be a trap for some. Problems are often blown WAAAY out of proportion. This PJ is fantastic, and all its problems seem rather insignificant, when compared to the fantastic picture it throws.

Well I'm off to enjoy re-watching more movies!

Cheers
Jamie

I'm glad it worked out well for you. The RS1 is definitely a good upgrade coming from your previous system.

Wow I remember back to the davis dl450 days. It was a good projector in it's time.

smitty and Lawguy, I will try dropping the colour back as you say. Plus I haven't done the gray scale yet either, so I am sure it will just get better!

Tryg, all I need now is a high power screen! Any chance the picture links in your screen posts will ever return?

Cameron, I have been very happy with my last two upgrades. There has been a distinct visual improvement each time. I guess I am approaching a diminishing returns point now though, with the 1080 machines. I think I will keep this PJ the longest.
Ya know my dl450 clone is still going strong and being enjoyed by the guy who bought it off me!! He doesn't visit this forum either, so what does that tell you??? :D

Cheers
Jamie

Wow that was mean, he's not even here to defend himself...

Maybe he justs wants a brighter picture now.

I will know soon if going to 1080P DLP is a good choice or not.

I previously owned LCD/LCOS Projectors

Viewsonic "Don't remember now"
Sony VPL-HS 51
Sony VPL-HS 51A
Sony VPL-HS 60
Sony VPL-VW50
Panasonic AE1000U

Planning on going to Sharp XV-Z20000

or the benq W20000 if it is as good as or better then the Sharp


Maybe I will be totaly disappointed. If so...

I will then get the Sony VPL-VW60 :)

SOWK,

Coming from two LCOS machines, the VW100 and HD1, there is something to me about the look that my DLP (the Marantz 15S1) puts out. I believe the look will be similar with either machine you settle on but a few people have commented about noticeably different looks even within DLP machines.

I know its harder than it sounds, but I certainly would recommend trying to view the pjs you are considering in, ideal environments(or at least similar ones to yours).

Tryg, all I need now is a high power screen! Any chance the picture links in your screen posts will ever return?

Stop using internet explorer as your browser. Mozilla Firefox is much better. Free at download.com

Wow that was mean, he's not even here to defend himself... Maybe he justs wants a brighter picture now.

True but you miss the point. Its one thing for people to learn (and pay) for their own mistakes. Here Bob's mismatch (mating a dim projector to a very large screen) is about as basic as it gets.
Its quite another to be advising others online while repeatedly demonstrating incompetence.
Were talking serious money here too. If anything Mr. Sorel should be posting "don't do what I have done." Instead he's been ranting for a year against the JVS RS1 and now the RS2.
Perhaps we are shooting the messenger?

Note: original embarrassing post was removed, and not by myself either. :)

A co worker just switched from a VPL-VW50 to the marantz 15S1 and is thrilled to no end. Says it was the right move just for the 'look' this model displays.

Here Bob's mismatch (mating a dim projector to a very large screen) is about as basic as it gets.
I did not see your prior post, but this post TOTALLY misrepresents Bob's concerns. Time and time again he has clearly stated the limitations of the JVC (and they are fairly well known by now). You may disagree with his perception of the gravity of the limitations, but to totally mispresent his concerns and attack him instead is not only immature, but betrays your intellectual dishonesty and limitations.

motion blur

You take one or two people and let them go crazy saying the same thing over and over again and people start getting neurotic and paranoid

Tryg, you're too hard on yourself.

I never get tired of you saying, "RS1/ High Power".

True but you miss the point. Its one thing for people to learn (and pay) for their own mistakes. Here Bob's mismatch (mating a dim projector to a very large screen) is about as basic as it gets.
Its quite another to be advising others online while repeatedly demonstrating incompetence.
Were talking serious money here too. If anything Mr. Sorel should be posting "don't do what I have done." Instead he's been ranting for a year against the JVS RS1 and now the RS2.
Perhaps we are shooting the messenger?

Note: original embarrassing post was removed, and not by myself either. :)
Bob's screen is a Da-Lite High Power screen, set up in a way to take full advantage of the viewing cone. Big difference between that and a low gain screen of that size.

I would not refer to Bob's screen as 'a very large screen', either. It's 139" wide in a 2.35:1 format.

Tryg, you're too hard on yourself.

I never get tired of you saying, "RS1/ High Power".

I'm not as experienced as many people on the forum, but I agree that "RS1/HP" is an incredible combo. It's hard to see any drawback (provided you mount the RS1 is the appropriate location and your viewing area is within the screen edges), and you get an bright and constrasty pic.

Seeing as we are going off topic......
The other night I noticed a slight pink fringe on the top left corner. Only noticeable with light backgrounds. Anyone heard of this before? Not sure if it was there right from the beginning or just now. I am yet to isolate it, and see if its the hd1 or the HTPC, but by the looks of it it is more likely to be the projector. This is really depressing!!

I bought this secondhand. It is still under warranty, and had only done a couple hundred hours. The source was trustworthy, I think. But if I have to start sending it back to JVC its going to cost me as much as a new one, with shipping and insurance. Grrr

Seeing as we are going off topic......
The other night I noticed a slight pink fringe on the top left corner. Only noticeable with light backgrounds. Anyone heard of this before? Not sure if it was there right from the beginning or just now. I am yet to isolate it, and see if its the hd1 or the HTPC, but by the looks of it it is more likely to be the projector. This is really depressing!!

I bought this secondhand. It is still under warranty, and had only done a couple hundred hours. The source was trustworthy, I think. But if I have to start sending it back to JVC its going to cost me as much as a new one, with shipping and insurance. Grrr

Ive seen one with a faint pink fringe across the top. It was 2 corners merged. As you say, easily noticeable on light backgrounds.

good luck.

Seeing as we are going off topic......
The other night I noticed a slight pink fringe on the top left corner. Only noticeable with light backgrounds. Anyone heard of this before? Not sure if it was there right from the beginning or just now. I am yet to isolate it, and see if its the hd1 or the HTPC, but by the looks of it it is more likely to be the projector. This is really depressing!!

I bought this secondhand. It is still under warranty, and had only done a couple hundred hours. The source was trustworthy, I think. But if I have to start sending it back to JVC its going to cost me as much as a new one, with shipping and insurance. Grrr

Throw up a grid test pattern from DVE, or similar, and tell us what you see.

Many of these kinds of problems, if they exist at all, can be remedied.

Lawguy, the effect is like something is sitting close to the side of the lens and creating a soft shadow. Except that shadow is a red tinge. I can probably get a photo of it and post it later today.

"The other night I noticed a slight pink fringe on the top left corner. Only noticeable with light backgrounds. Anyone heard of this before? Not sure if it was there right from the beginning or just now. I am yet to isolate it, and see if its the hd1 or the HTPC, but by the looks of it it is more likely to be the projector. This is really depressing!!"

Might be a shading issue. Do you have full screen grayscale patterns in 10IRE increments? If so take a look at them and spend time looking at each level for awhile and see how uniform (or not) they look at each level.

DILAs have always had shading issues. Earlier models could be correct somewhat, the RS-1 doesn't have the facilities to adjust that. My RS1s shading is not great either.

Shawn

Lawguy, the effect is like something is sitting close to the side of the lens and creating a soft shadow. Except that shadow is a red tinge. I can probably get a photo of it and post it later today.


I'd be interested in seeing the picture. While your at it, try using lens shift to see if that affects it.

I'd be interested in seeing the picture. While your at it, try using lens shift to see if that affects it.

When I get time, I'll post one of mine too.

Here is a picture of whats happening. Ignore the waves inthe screen!! thats another issue, but it looks far worse in the picture than it is. The pink fringe is mostly in the top left corner, but comes down about half way.

Here is a picture of whats happening. Ignore the waves inthe screen!! thats another issue, but it looks far worse in the picture than it is. The pink fringe is mostly in the top left corner, but comes down about half way.

Out of interest does the pixel shift have any effect on the phenomenon ?

Given the location at the very outer limit of screen it could be MC or CA. Pixel shift may not be able to solve the problem but it could prove if it's MC/CA related.

D

Out of interest does the pixel shift have any effect on the phenomenon ?

Given the location at the very outer limit of screen it could be MC or CA. Pixel shift may not be able to solve the problem but it could prove if it's MC/CA related.

D

The one i had was not MC/CA. It was a panel issue. I'll put a shot up when i get time. I've seen the same thing on LCD TVs.

True but you miss the point. Its one thing for people to learn (and pay) for their own mistakes. Here Bob's mismatch (mating a dim projector to a very large screen) is about as basic as it gets.
Once again your personal vendetta prevails over objectivity and honesty, and you misrepresent me and my actions once again.

1. The Z20k, though dimmer than the RS-1, outperforms it in every category except on/off CR and of course, brightness at max CR. This is, of course, my opinion only.
2. I already owned the "very large" screen and anamorphic lens, and if I had been lucky in the lamp brightness lottery, it would have provided sufficient lumens to keep the brightness in my desired range of 12 to 16 ftLs over a reasonable amount of time. If I had not discovered the HT-380, I would have simply reduced the size of my screen to acquire my desired ftls (I build my own frames).
3. I would have gladly kept the Z20k, as it has no flaws that I can see, but soon after I bought it the Sim2 HT-380 was released. I purchased it from AVS with the option of returning it if it didn't look as good as the Z20k - but it did!
4. I kept the HT-380, as it is more than twice as bright as the Z20k yet its performance is in the same league, so I was able to leave my screen at its current size.
5. The Z20k and the HT-380 are far and away the 2 finest projectors I have owned to date. You have not read many posts about from me about either of them simply because they DO NOTHING WRONG! Either of them corrects all of the failings of the RS-1 and as far as I am concerned, either is in a higher performance class all around. The HT-380 is simply a brighter version of the Z20k, that's all.

Once again your personal vendetta prevails over objectivity and honesty, and you misrepresent me and my actions once again.

1. The Z20k, though dimmer than the RS-1, outperforms it in every category except on/off CR and of course, brightness at max CR. This is, of course, my opinion only.
2. I already owned the "very large" screen and anamorphic lens, and if I had been lucky in the lamp brightness lottery, it would have provided sufficient lumens to keep the brightness in my desired range of 12 to 16 ftLs over a reasonable amount of time. If I had not discovered the HT-380, I would have simply reduced the size of my screen to acquire my desired ftls (I build my own frames).
3. I would have gladly kept the Z20k, as it has no flaws that I can see, but soon after I bought it the Sim2 HT-380 was released. I purchased it from AVS with the option of returning it if it didn't look as good as the Z20k - but it did!
4. I kept the HT-380, as it is more than twice as bright as the Z20k yet its performance is in the same league, so I was able to leave my screen at its current size.
5. The Z20k and the HT-380 are far and away the 2 finest projectors I have owned to date. You have not read many posts about from me about either of them simply because they DO NOTHING WRONG! Either of them corrects all of the failings of the RS-1 and as far as I am concerned, either is in a higher performance class all around. The HT-380 is simply a brighter version of the Z20k, that's all.


Bob is back!

Just putting the 20k in the same class as the HT-380 shows just how efficient the sharp model is. Bob has direct and unbiased experience with both projectors so he is a model to be listened to.

Glad to see you back Bob.;)

Once again your personal vendetta prevails over objectivity and honesty, and you misrepresent me and my actions once again.

In your own current AVS ad you state:
"Sharp XV-Z20000 front projector - I am selling it is because it is not bright enough for my 139" X 59" screen."

On the other hand you have been advising others of the importance of matching their screen to projector purchase in your guide:
"Understanding brightness levels and screen gain"

I need not state anything. Your own statements are enough for any reasonable person to understand.

No doubt our a nice guy Bob and I look forward to you posting in Greg's review JVC RS2 tomorrow. Nice to see you back! :)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=1983
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=753497&page=1

In your own current AVS ad you state:
"Sharp XV-Z20000 front projector - I am selling it is because it is not bright enough for my 139" X 59" screen."

On the other hand you have been advising others of the importance of matching their screen to projector purchase in your guide:
"Understanding brightness levels and screen gain"
Please read my post above, as it explains everything quite well. I saw no reason to print such an explanation in a "for sale" ad...:rolleyes:

OK I tried the lens shift both vert and horzontal. Neither change the pink fringing. I also tried zooming in and out, still there. Next I tried the built in test patterns. The SMPTE style one where there is white on the left hand side shows the pink tinge. So at this stage I think it is safe to say that it is not source related, nor lens related.

Pixel shift does have a minor effect on the tinging, and does improve it a little, but then it is clearly off with text.

Just putting the 20k in the same class as the HT-380 shows just how efficient the sharp model is. Bob has direct and unbiased experience with both projectors so he is a model to be listened to.

Glad to see you back Bob.;)

I think the Sharp has a lower black level and performs better than the HT380 in low APL scenes. The Sharp is much dimmer than the 380 but higher black level and RBE appear to be the trade off from the increased brightness for me.

D

OK I tried the lens shift both vert and horzontal. Neither change the pink fringing. I also tried zooming in and out, still there. Next I tried the built in test patterns. The SMPTE style one where there is white on the left hand side shows the pink tinge. So at this stage I think it is safe to say that it is not source related, nor lens related.

Pixel shift does have a minor effect on the tinging, and does improve it a little, but then it is clearly off with text.

How is your projector mounted?

I recall that there were reports when the RS1 was released that, at the factory, shading was calibrated with the projector in the "table mount" position. Some people therefore reported shading problems when they ceiling mounted their projector. I don't remember how these people's problems were resolved.

One other thing to check would be to change the mount setting on the projector (it is in the install menu called "Flip H") from what you have it to its opposite (no need to physically change the mount, just the setting. Then report on whether the fringing goes away.

I think the Sharp has a lower black level and performs better than the HT380 in low APL scenes. The Sharp is much dimmer than the 380 but higher black level and RBE appear to be the trade off from the increased brightness for me.

D

You are right about those things. That is why I don't understand how anyone can view any currently available projector and not find faults that any trained eye can see.

Pixel shift does have a minor effect on the tinging, and does improve it a little, but then it is clearly off with text.

I suspected this would make a difference. Do you have any 1080p source test material that will provide an alternating vertical single pixel wide white on/off pattern across the whole screen ? If so I think you will see color fringe on the side of the screen that has the color tinge. I think the issue is MC and/or CA related and whilst you may be able to correct that area with pixel shift it will casuse problems in other areas of the image.

D

I form opinions of people based upon what they say, and then match it against what they do. Rationalizations are filtered-out. There is a term for when the two diverge, but I forget it at the moment.
Since your very expensive Sharp only has 70 hours on it, why not rent next time and save a bundle? Or are you saving-up to start your own rental company?
You seem to be having a difficult time understanding my post. If you tell me which words you don't understand I will be glad to simplify the grammar. There is no rationalization, no conflict between what I say and and do...just your unrelenting obsession to discredit me in any way which you can. Enough now...please allow this thread to get back on track and I will do the same.

Enough now...please allow this thread to get back on track and I will do the same.


^^^

I had a similar slight pink fringe w/ my Panny 700 projector. The other side of the screen was very light blue. Which made B&W films unwatchable. Was a typical shading issue. I had to live w/ it. Thankfully my RS1 doesn't have any "serious" shading issues. Although certainly not perfect by a long shot. Too bad we can't use wm's shading calibration on these units.

When first bought - I tested my RS1 table mounted - then ceiling mounted. I had (slightly) better shading when ceiling mounted. Just the opposite of what I was expecting.