One hour 40 minutes into mass effect on my brand new elite that was delivered this morning, poof, rrod :( It was in a well ventilated area away from any major heat source and it's about 68-70 degrees in the room.

lot 742 team cson, power brick is 203w but I haven't checked if it was a falcon or not. Go Big is printed on the box.

Back to amazon it goes, inc withdrawals :p

That is awful.

Sorry to hear about your troubles. That is just downright bad luck. But, your console was not a Falcon...those have a lower wattage power supply.

Crap!

But, your console was not a Falcon...those have a lower wattage power supply.

not true, falcons have both.

Actually, I just checked the brick itself and it says 175w (Box says 203w). Oh well, hope amazon gets some new stock soon.

I had the exact same thing happen with my Elite. Same box I believe, the "Holiday Special" pack that includes 'Forza 2' and 'Marvel Ultimate Alliance'.

I forget the lot and team, but it is also 175w on the power brick when the box it came in said 203w.

Connected it to my new Samsung 4071 TV I got the same day and what do you know, as soon as I turned on the Elite for the first time I got the 3-light RROD.

I certainly was upset, but having been tired after running around looking for an Elite and just finished setting up both the TV and Elite I just said forget sending it in. I hit the top of the Elite with my open hand (while it is laying horizontally) with it turned on and got it working and have had no problems since.

I had the exact same thing happen with my Elite. Same box I believe, the "Holiday Special" pack that includes 'Forza 2' and 'Marvel Ultimate Alliance'.

I forget the lot and team, but it is also 175w on the power brick when the box it came in said 203w.

Connected it to my new Samsung 4071 TV I got the same day and what do you know, as soon as I turned on the Elite for the first time I got the 3-light RROD.

I certainly was upset, but having been tired after running around looking for an Elite and just finished setting up both the TV and Elite I just said forget sending it in. I hit the top of the Elite with my open hand (while it is laying horizontally) with it turned on and got it working and have had no problems since.
LOL....the old Nintendo philosophy eh? I remember jumping off my dresser on top of my Nintendo, and my brother spitting in it, to try and get it to work. Occasionally both methods seemed to do the trick!

LOL....the old Nintendo philosophy eh? I remember jumping off my dresser on top of my Nintendo, and my brother spitting in it, to try and get it to work. Occasionally both methods seemed to do the trick!

Those were the good old days!

As much as I love playing games on the 360. The hardware sucks. It sucks really really really badly.

Im on my 3rd.

I mean...its basically a POS, but this 3rd one is still working.

As much as I love playing games on the 360. The hardware sucks. It sucks really really really badly.

Im on my 3rd.

I mean...its basically a POS, but this 3rd one is still working.

Really? I thought MS building the console with absolutely non-optimal airflow, cheap thermal paste on the heatsinks, and a clamp design on the heatsinks that warps the mobo when it heats up would make for a damn near flawless design. Shows what I know I guess :rolleyes:

not true, falcons have both.
Falcons do not have both, they only come with 175watt ones. It just happens that some boxes say 203 and contain Falcons but the actual power supply is indeed 175 if it's a Falcon.

Falcons do not have both, they only come with 175watt ones. It just happens that some boxes say 203 and contain Falcons but the actual power supply is indeed 175 if it's a Falcon.

I think he meant Falcons can use both. Technically a Falcon can come with a 203w power supply since it only needs 175w to run, it's just rare that a 203w watt brick is with a 175w system.

Really? I thought MS building the console with absolutely non-optimal airflow, cheap thermal paste on the heatsinks, and a clamp design on the heatsinks that warps the mobo when it heats up would make for a damn near flawless design. Shows what I know I guess :rolleyes:

DO you suppose that some AS5 and some stainless bolts instead of X clamps in the first place would have been cheaper than the $1 billion repair order? Seems to me like it would.

Falcons do not have both, they only come with 175watt ones. It just happens that some boxes say 203 and contain Falcons but the actual power supply is indeed 175 if it's a Falcon.

you're wrong, the initial run of falcons had 203w power supplies, and these were filtered out before anyone even knew a 175w was going to exist.

Wow what a shame to get a brand new toy only to have it break the first day, hope it doesnt take to long to get you another one...good luck

you're wrong, the initial run of falcons had 203w power supplies, and these were filtered out before anyone even knew a 175w was going to exist.
Care to point me in the direction of where you found that information. I am not flaming, just don't want missinformation floating around whether it's from me or from you:). From every xbox forum I have read including xbox-scene and xbox-sky people use the power rating to diagnose whether they have a Falcon or not, 175=falcon and 203=zephyr. This is the rating on the actual power supply and not the box.

Care to point me in the direction of where you found that information. I am not flaming, just don't want missinformation floating around whether it's from me or from you:). From every xbox forum I have read including xbox-scene and xbox-sky people use the power rating to diagnose whether they have a Falcon or not, 175=falcon and 203=zephyr. This is the rating on the actual power supply and not the box.

Wat he is saying that yes, 175 watt means its a Falcon. But on the other hand the 203 watt doesn't guarantee that it isn't. They used up the remaining supply of 203 PSU's with the new Mobo's......

Care to point me in the direction of where you found that information. I am not flaming, just don't want missinformation floating around whether it's from me or from you:). From every xbox forum I have read including xbox-scene and xbox-sky people use the power rating to diagnose whether they have a Falcon or not, 175=falcon and 203=zephyr. This is the rating on the actual power supply and not the box.

Check the official Xbox forums if you're in doubt. There's a pretty extensive thread devoted to the 65nm Falcon chips and how to identify units that have them. More than one credible source on there has confirmed that a Falcon could use either the 203W or 175W PSU. On the flip side, a 360 with the "Zephyr" configuration cannot use the lower-rated power supply.

I feel your pain...trust me I do.

And you can most certainly have a 203W falcon. I got one for my folks, and it even has a benq.

My 3rd died last night about 10 minutes after popping in skate. for the first time. At this point I'm thinking about selling the 4th on ebay and getting a Wii. I got a PS3 the first time it failed and have been playing that more anyway.

Check the official Xbox forums if you're in doubt. There's a pretty extensive thread devoted to the 65nm Falcon chips and how to identify units that have them. More than one credible source on there has confirmed that a Falcon could use either the 203W or 175W PSU. On the flip side, a 360 with the "Zephyr" configuration cannot use the lower-rated power supply.

That's a very different thing than saying Falcon's may or may not come with a 203W in the box. I've never heard of anyone opening a new Falcon and finding a 203. That would be a very odd manufacturing/assembly process to mix components like that.

That's a very different thing than saying Falcon's may or may not come with a 203W in the box. I've never heard of anyone opening a new Falcon and finding a 203. That would be a very odd manufacturing/assembly process to mix components like that.

Eh? :confused: I'm not sure if you read my post properly or something's getting lost in the translation, but that's pretty much the same thing I was addressing in reply to the other poster. More than one person on the official forum has confirmed that they bought a Falcon 360 WITH a 203W PSU in the box, regardless of what it might've said on the box's label. Like I said, go there and read the posts yourself if you don't believe me. Most everyone there, including a couple members like MRCUR (who have credible inside info) have reaffirmed this fact.

I have a theory on out-of-the-box RRoD's. They're probably the result of someone getting an RRoD, then subsequently buying a new console, performing a switcheroo, and returning the new console box to the store with the dead console inside. Pretty slimy stuff.

i have one of the 203w falcon's. i am proof that they exsist!

I have a theory on out-of-the-box RRoD's. They're probably the result of someone getting an RRoD, then subsequently buying a new console, performing a switcheroo, and returning the new console box to the store with the dead console inside. Pretty slimy stuff.

Well stores check the serial number and who wouldn't notice if some kid repacted a console? The tape, bag, etc. would be all non-factory.

Are you sure it is the red ring of death and not the red ring of my video cable popped out?

Well stores check the serial number and who wouldn't notice if some kid repacted a console? The tape, bag, etc. would be all non-factory.

One would certainly hope so. You'd think that stores would check serial numbers, packaging, etc. before accepting a return, but most employees of Wal-Mart, etc. are knuckleheads who either wouldn't care if their employer was getting ripped off, or would be too lazy to go through the trouble of checking the return.

Well stores check the serial number and who wouldn't notice if some kid repacted a console? The tape, bag, etc. would be all non-factory.The serial number is on the case which can be swapped using a hair dryer and removing the MS sticker.

The serial number is on the case which can be swapped using a hair dryer and removing the MS sticker.

He he, evil and smart :)

Are you sure it is the red ring of death and not the red ring of my video cable popped out?

I'm sure, 3 red rings and the console won't do anything except tell me to buy an extended warranty :p

i have one of the 203w falcon's. i am proof that they exsist!

I also have a Falcon 203w. The OP has a Falcon since his lot number is after 734.

I also have a Falcon 203w. The OP has a Falcon since his lot number is after 734.

Lot number 734 and up doesn't necessarily equal a Falcon. If you have a 203w power supply you should do one of the physical checks by looking through the vent with a flashlight to see if the copper pipe is there or not. Lot numbers aren't a sure thing.

I've finally gotten my replacement from Amazon. Lot 0803 Team Fdou

Hoping for the best :)

It was in a well ventilated area away from any major heat source and it's about 68-70 degrees in the room.

I've said it countless times, that doesn't even matter. You could run it in a refrigerator and probably still get the RRoD!

IIRC, the Falcons that shipped with the 203W PSU were the earlier ones, which basically means the Halo and Arcade consoles. My Arcade 360 has a 203W PSU, and two flat inductors on the mobo which makes it a Falcon, so they definitely exist.

If a system dies after an hour and a half right out of the box, it's either another type of failure than the typical GPU one or a case of someone returning a broken system, that kind of thing. The 'common' RRoD problem is a GPU decoupling from the motherboard because of repeated cooling/heating cycles stressing the solder joints, which wouldn't happen in an hour and a half.

If a scammer bought a new system they'd put the old one in the new system's bags, but yes stores SHOULD check serial numbers.

That being said, my parents bought a stereo from Walmart and when they opened the box it was someone's old system and even a completely different brand. Then when they returned it, the store said they were trying to run a scam, but luckily the electronics department employee that rang them up was still there and confirmed it was resealed with non-factory tape when they bought it.

Well, the new one is up and running now, and it is a falcon. It's pretty quiet (Sunon fans) compared to the first elite (Delta fans) and no issues so far..

Lost Odyssey here I come :D

How the hell do you get RRoD on day 1? That Xbox had to be used before you bought it... I know this is an old thread, but I thought I'd chime in.

RROD can happen with loose AV or power cord. the new Falcon power supply don't click in like the old ones do so powersupply problem is easy to have.
On top of that there is high chance it got damaged in shipping or was a lemon to boot.

there are like close to a hundred error codes that are the source of the RROD.

Use a sticky.

Thanks.

Kyser