I have a room about 24'X24'. 10 foot ceiling. Glass on one wall, all the way to the ceiling. This is a recreation room, pool table, games, etc. Windows face east. I want to mount a 60 - 65 inch flat screen TV on the wall, mainly for watching sports events, ie. fast action. I'd like to use a plasma because of the wider field of view and "no lag" but I'm afraid these attributes may be outweighed by the reflection inherent in the plasma. Not a chance of putting window coverings. Too much wall to cover and it would ruin the effect of the room.

I know it's kind of subjective but I was just wondering what others would choose if they had to make the decision between the two and why.

Accept the lag and no reflection or accept the reflection and no lag.


Thanks

Jay Jay

I haven't seen any tests saying plasma's don't lag unless you mean "pixel lag" (i.e. blur)...Also, hate to bring up the "burn-in" thing but feel i should - just incase you game a lot.

Oh come on now...

Burn-in is NOT to be worried about. Plasma while not perfect certainly handles fast action better than lcd.

Now IMO your relflections will be there. You can get some plasmas with anti-glare and it helps some but I think it also degrades the pq slightly. I think it could be a problem during the morning as the sun is coming in but once the sun is high or down it will be OK.

plasma. no doubt. depending on the set, reflections may not even be an issue at all. given that the windows are on the east side, unless you are watching sports early in the morning, there won't be any direct light on the set, and a set that handles ambient light well (my 150fd comes to mind), won't have any problems...

plasma. no doubt. depending on the set, reflections may not even be an issue at all. given that the windows are on the east side, unless you are watching sports early in the morning, there won't be any direct light on the set, and a set that handles ambient light well (my 150fd comes to mind), won't have any problems...
agreed

Well, couple of issues. If you're going to be watching a lot of sports, Plasma is indisputably king in that department; the motion blur of an LCD is a serious problem. However, there's also no question that you're bound to have a reflection "issue" with a plasma that you wouldn't have with LCD. As between the two, in your case, I'd worry more about motion blur than reflection. Reflection is mostly going to be a problem when watching low-light content; since sporting events are usually anything but "low light", you probably won't notice as much reflection as you would if you were, say, watching primarily horror movies. Moreover, since your windows face east, your most significant glare/reflection problems will be over by mid-day. In addition, most plasmas have some form of anti-glare or anti-reflective coating; however, with the exception of the Panasonic PZ77U's, these coatings do not really eliminate glare/reflection as much as they do reduce it ever so slightly (in other words, they don't work really well); some plasmas handle reflection better than others; the pioneers tend to deal with it much better than the other brands seemingly because they use one sheet of glass rather than two. But, again, in your case, I don't think reflection should be that big of a deal...particularly, when the trade off is the LCD motion handling problems.

The other issue is sizing. If you're targeting 60-65", your choices for quality plasmas are pretty much limited to the Pioneer Kuro 6010FD (can be had for $4500ish) and PRO-150FD (can be had for $6500ish) or the Panasonic 65PZ750U (can be had for $4500ish). Your choices for quality LCDs in that size, on the other hand, are a little bit different. The Sony 70" XBR3 runs $33K MSRP and I don't know if or where any discounts can be had; the Sharp 65D64U runs about $8K with the 65SE94U running about $10K. So, from a pricing perspective in that size range, the plasma probably wins.

Altogether, in your case, I'd probably "accept the reflection and no lag" and probably get a plasma.

--Mav

I have the 52" XBR5 and I have NO motion BLUR! Zero! Nada! My buddy has the Kuro Elite in a bright lit room and has never complained about reflection.

Thanks alot.

"Youse guys is great! "

I had thought that the result would be in favor of plasma, but I just had to ask if for no other reason than to see if my research was ok.

Thank you thank you thank you!

JayJay

I have the 52" XBR5 and I have NO motion BLUR! Zero! Nada!


I didn't know that TV could eliminate camera blur, destabilization, macroblocking, sample-and-hold, response time....you lucky guy you.

I had the Sony 46xbr5 and the motionblur and pix lag drove me nuts:eek: I returned it and picked up a Pio-Elite-950 and love it. Absolutley no pix lag or blur.

I was at a friends house and he bought a lcd because the salesman told him to stay away from plasma because of glare and he bought a Samsung lcd with that Super Clear Panel. And his glare is really bad on that set and I am not talking about the glare on the glossy bezel. He has to run it in "Torch" mode just so he wont see the reflections off that clear panel. I thought lcds were immune to this problem of glare?

Viewing angle? I don't see a disadvantage with LCD viewing angles... they're pretty much 180 degrees, did you check for yourself?

Lag... again, I don't see much of a difference between the two. I'd say LCDs got rid of that problem years ago.

In a bright room, I wouldn't even consider plasma unless if you want to monitor the yard as well.

yeah this topic has plus sides on each side.
but to be honest the only plus i see with lcd against plasma is a brighter picture during bright sunlight.
everything else goes to plasma. ive had 3 LCDs and now just got a plasma, kuro, and i'm amazed at how much better it is in every way except brightness in day. LCDs still definitely lag, viewing angles although are similar they loose a lot contrast and have a grey or high brightness look.
I have my plasma sitting in a living room right now, its 5pm here and its very light outside (not dark until 930pm or so) i dont have much glare problems at the moment sitting here.

I had the Sony 46xbr5 and the motionblur and pix lag drove me nuts:eek: I returned it and picked up a Pio-Elite-950 and love it. Absolutley no pix lag or blur.

awwwww you're just not looking hard enough ;) plasma still has it. you can adjust your xbr5 to greatly reduce it as well.
i find that it also depends on the quality of the signal and how much compression it has.

this weekend i noticed the xbr5 (next to the pioneer 110 pro150 elite)
was way better in the pop and clarity at showing material from planet earth.

but back to the topic there is much to be improved when it comes to a bright room where plasmas are concerned and lag time definitely is an issue if you do lots of gaming. although i've seen games where you can set your lag time (in game) so that sort of fixes it.

I like refelctive displays, not in the daytime with the sun shining on it but PQ looks way better..That's why samungs look better than sonys dull washed out looking lcd's.

I was at a friends house and he bought a lcd because the salesman told him to stay away from plasma because of glare and he bought a Samsung lcd with that Super Clear Panel. And his glare is really bad on that set and I am not talking about the glare on the glossy bezel. He has to run it in "Torch" mode just so he wont see the reflections off that clear panel. I thought lcds were immune to this problem of glare?

I would be one pissed off dude if a salesman sold me on an LCD because of the reflection/glare problems with plasma and THEN sold me the ONE LCD that has a glossy screen. That seriously sucks. I've never understood that Sammy LCD with the glossy screen; the lone advantage of an LCD over a Plasma in my book is how the reflecting/glare handling, everything else goes to plasma; so, to me anyway, making an LCD that doesn't even do that is nonsensical.

--Mav

Go plasma.
These LCD pushers are in some kind of fantasyland when it comes to off axis PQ and motion blur. :rolleyes: