http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=5485

"The clearance of third-generation HD DVD players was said to be inadvertent". Seems odd that a retailer would inadvertently print clearance price tags. Perhaps they juist changed their minds.

Seems odd that a retailer would inadvertently print clearance price tags. Perhaps they juist changed their minds.

As a former CC computer salesperson, I can say with certainty that mistakes like that occured when I was an employee. Coincidence for HD-DVD this time? Maybe. Maybe not.

As a former CC computer salesperson, I can say with certainty that mistakes like that occured when I was an employee. Coincidence for HD-DVD this time? Maybe. Maybe not.

I saw the clearance tag in my local CC. It eactly matched the internet photos and was printed, not handwritten. Who prints these tags and who decides what goes on clearance?

I can say there were numerous times when a sale flyer went out, someone came in the store looking for the 'bargain' system printed in the flyer, and they learned once they got to the store that the 'bargain' system didn't actually exist. (We would sometimes end up selling the system at the printed price anyway, but at a loss.) Most of the time we knew when mistakes were made in a sale flyer, but we could get caught off guard.

I don't know how things work today, as that was about 13 years ago.

I can say there were numerous times when a sale flyer went out, someone came in the store looking for the 'bargain' system printed in the flyer, and they learned once they got to the store that the 'bargain' system didn't actually exist. (We would sometimes end up selling the system at the printed price anyway, but at a loss.) Most of the time we knew when mistakes were made in a sale flyer, but we could get caught off guard.


By flyers, I assume you mean newspaper inserts. The production and distribution of those involves (in addition to CC's marketing dept) the retailers advertising agencies (creative and media buying) and also the newspaper publication's printing and ad sales departments. Its easy to see how an error can be made.

In the case of the player "clearance", this involved someone at CC's HQ having sales tags printed and distributed directly to stores and instructing the store staff to display them with the players. Aside from the printer, no external companies would be involved.

In the case of the player "clearance", this involved someone at CC's HQ having sales tags printed and distributed directly to stores and instructing the store staff to display them with the players. Aside from the printer, no external companies would be involved.

I thought we printed our own tags in store when I worked there, but I could be mistaken.

http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=5485

This is a smart move for CC.

Wow, there are still Circuit City stores in operation? I haven't been in one since DIVX.

I have deleted the off-topic posts. Please stop the bickering.

Wow, there are still Circuit City stores in operation? I haven't been in one since DIVX.

Yeah. You can find them within 2 blocks of a Best Buy, and they carry HD-DVD movies and software. How cool is that!

Well, whatever the case was, it can only be good for sales that they sold A3 for $100 with the free movies. Even with the clearance tag, it doesn't look like it hurted the format at all.

Well, whatever the case was, it can only be good for sales that they sold A3 for $100 with the free movies. Even with the clearance tag, it doesn't look like it hurted the format at all.

Toshiba can quietly sell a couple of million of these things. Everyone needs a DVD player or 4 and the A3 is a good one. Plus, they play HD and you can buy 3 for the price of a BD player to cover those other rooms. Then, it's a game again...

I thought we printed our own tags in store when I worked there, but I could be mistaken.

You may be correct. I wasn't sure on that point. However, the tags in my local store did look identical to the photos on the web.

Toshiba can quietly sell a couple of million of these things. Everyone needs a DVD player or 4 and the A3 is a good one. Plus, they play HD and you can buy 3 for the price of a BD player to cover those other rooms. Then, it's a game again...

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

I saw the clearance tag in my local CC. It eactly matched the internet photos and was printed, not handwritten. Who prints these tags and who decides what goes on clearance?

My personal guess is one of two possibilities: there was a directive handed down to certain stores to put them on clearance which was a mistake/miscommunication from corporate; or they changed their minds and have agreed to keep restocking the HD DVD players.

Either way it's good news for the HD DVD camp that CC is apparently not dropping their hardware. Retailers play a big part in this game from here on out.

Brandon

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

Never? That's a big claim with the exclusive movies out there. I guess I won't buy any more BDs and cancel you out.;)

I bought an A3 and an A30 this last weekend. I sold my A2 to a friend. Since both players came with 2 movies I gave a set with the A2 as part of the price. All in all happy with all the machines I have bought so far. Be interesting to see what Toshiba and the big box retailers are up to. No sweat for me either way, as I own both formats.

Cheers

... I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses... I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.


and what specifically does this have to do with CC statement on HD-DVD? Nothing really more like flame bating!

why is it so hard to stay on topic???

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses.

Why? It's so naive. Stopping yourself from watching Transformers, Bourne trilogy, Mummy.......... because you loyal to whatever format. C'mon:rolleyes:

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

Do ya hear that Toshiba!? bommai bought your player, but he's not gonna buy a disk, no matter what title, no matter the quality. Hang it up, you've been served.:rolleyes:

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

Toshiba is not losing anywhere. They don't sell movies. They sell hardware.

For each $100 player that sells, Toshiba is closer to having HD-DVD in the future which = future hardware sales, computer sales, OEM sales, and THEN in turn royalties on blank media and movie sales.

I was going to head to CC last weekend and buy one, but just said forget about it because A) it's going to be a secondary player anyway, for the bedroom, and B ) it won't be too long before you'll be able to get these things for under $100. That's not biased, that's not with any harm intended, it's just fact. Hey I own about 25 HD-DVD's and enjoy them, but it's pretty obvious they're hanging on by a thread.

I envision being able to get an A30 on Ebay/Craigslist/somewhere else for less than 100 bucks by August. I can wait.

B ) it won't be too long before you'll be able to get these things for under $100.

I don't think we'll see it. They will sit on the shelves for $99 and that will be as low as they go. Beyond that, there is no profit to be made. If they fail to sell at $99 they will eventually be sent off in mass to a liquidator to be sold.

Stores are not going to waste valuable shelf space/real estate and the time and effort of processing single transactions on a money losing price. They'd rather ship 500 units to a liquidator at whatever price per unit and be done with the ordeal.

If anyone is waiting for A3 prices below $99 at a retail store, stop. It's not going to happen.

I don't think we'll see it. They will sit on the shelves for $99 and that will be as low as they go. Beyond that, there is no profit to be made. If they fail to sell at $99 they will eventually be sent off in mass to a liquidator to be sold.

Stores are not going to waste valuable shelf space/real estate and the time and effort of processing single transactions on a money losing price. They'd rather ship 500 units to a liquidator at whatever price per unit and be done with the ordeal.

If anyone is waiting for A3 prices below $99 at a retail store, stop. It's not going to happen.

I don't seem to remember mentioning retail in my post. Buying at retail stores is pointless. I go to retail stores so I can visually shop, then I go online and actually buy something. So like I said by around that time, there will be plenty more people unloading their used HD-DVD players, and it will be pretty easy to get one cheap.

I'm not worried about it, it should actually be fairly easy. People will want to sell them so they can put that money towards a Blu-Ray player. Should be easy to find great deals online.

Do ya hear that Toshiba!? bommai bought your player, but he's not gonna buy a disk, no matter what title, no matter the quality. Hang it up, you've been served.:rolleyes:

Ummm, I think he was just saying he isn't going to buy any discs because he has no interest in doing so, and that in his opinion many other recent HD-DVD purchasers are in the same boat (either buying it for upconverting capabilities or as a backup/secondary system that wouldn't lead to increased sales).

I don't think he was trying to "stick it" to anybody. There's no need to get all worked up about it.

I don't seem to remember mentioning retail in my post. Buying at retail stores is pointless. I go to retail stores so I can visually shop, then I go online and actually buy something. So like I said by around that time, there will be plenty more people unloading their used HD-DVD players, and it will be pretty easy to get one cheap.

I'm not worried about it, it should actually be fairly easy. People will want to sell them so they can put that money towards a Blu-Ray player. Should be easy to find great deals online.

Ah ok my bad! I was assuming you were the average consumer who expects some kind of warranty and protection from the retailer. For that it won't be worth it for the retailer to go lower than $99.

But $99 with a 90 day return policy and 1 year warranty is a decent deal. Especially if they throw in those free flicks.

Of course, through ebay and the likes you can find a used unit for less.

Ah ok my bad! I was assuming you were the average consumer who expects some kind of warranty and protection from the retailer. For that it won't be worth it for the retailer to go lower than $99.

But $99 with a 90 day return policy and 1 year warranty is a decent deal. Especially if they throw in those free flicks.

Of course, through ebay and the likes you can find a used unit for less.
pretty easy to understand the confusion
since the topic is about CC, not sure what non retail prices have to do with anything

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

This doesn't make any sense... why didn't you just buy a regular upconvert player? Why did you buy a gaming machine to play movies?

Is hell freezing over?

"The clearance of third-generation HD DVD players was said to be inadvertent". Seems odd that a retailer would inadvertently print clearance price tags.

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/06/amd_ham.jpg

Never underestimate the ability of people to screw up! :eek:

This doesn't make any sense... why didn't you just buy a regular upconvert player? Why did you buy a gaming machine to play movies?

Is hell freezing over?

Do 3/4ths of the posts here ever make sense? ;)

Yeah. You can find them within 2 blocks of a Best Buy, and they carry HD-DVD movies and software. How cool is that!
Yeah, and sometimes they even have good deals on things. Ya never know, unless ya go...

There was no screw up at CC.... they simply jumped the gun on the formal announcement and Toshiba swatted their hand and made them take it back...so says the cynic.. The ways to pare the pear..

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

I just got the A3 recently and got a good BOGO deal at best buy and Bladerunner 5 disc set online HD-DVD.

Toshiba is not losing anywhere. They don't sell movies. They sell hardware.

For each $100 player that sells, Toshiba is closer to having HD-DVD in the future which = future hardware sales, computer sales, OEM sales, and THEN in turn royalties on blank media and movie sales.

+1 I agree. If Toshiba keeps selling players like hotcakes, they are doing well. And I happen to be one of those who believe that Toshiba is even making a little on these players, despite their low price. If you look inside, at the "guts" of one of these third generation players, they look no more expensive than most DVD players. I also believe that the A30 and A35 add some functionality, but yield a higher profit margin than the A3.

As someone suggested, the question is when a major retailer will go Blu-Ray exclusive, not if they will do so. As we see more 85-15 Nielsen numbers, we'll start seeing some movement on this front. So unless this Toshiba sale is different than all the others and it somehow manages to significantly change the Nielsen numbers, we'll see retailers do what Woolworths in the UK did, drop HD-DVD. As we ponder the impact of the HD-DVD sale, we have to keep in mind that Blu-Ray stand-alones continue to sell (particularly, it appears, as bundled with HDTVs) and the PS3 keeps selling.

Time will tell.

As someone suggested, the question is when a major retailer will go Blu-Ray exclusive, not if they will do so. As we see more 85-15 Nielsen numbers, we'll start seeing some movement on this front. So unless this Toshiba sale is different than all the others and it somehow manages to significantly change the Nielsen numbers, we'll see retailers do what Woolworths in the UK did, drop HD-DVD. As we ponder the impact of the HD-DVD sale, we have to keep in mind that Blu-Ray stand-alones continue to sell (particularly, it appears, as bundled with HDTVs) and the PS3 keeps selling.

Time will tell.

Here are the Neilsen numbers for ya. 100% of Paramount, Dreamworks and UNiversal movies sold on HDM will be HDDVD. Along with that Toshiba is going to sell a ton of $150 players. Since there is no redundancy in these items, stores will continue to carry them, at least in the US.

a simple google search would show this (http://www.google.com/search?q=circuit+city+misprint&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

IBTL

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

I cant understand this.... if an exclusive that you like comes out, why not buy it on HD-DVD if it wont be on BD for a while, and thats if the exclusive studio ever switches over. I will never by a SD movie again HD only, doesnt matter which.

K

As someone suggested, the question is when a major retailer will go Blu-Ray exclusive, not if they will do so. As we see more 85-15 Nielsen numbers, we'll start seeing some movement on this front. So unless this Toshiba sale is different than all the others and it somehow manages to significantly change the Nielsen numbers, we'll see retailers do what Woolworths in the UK did, drop HD-DVD. As we ponder the impact of the HD-DVD sale, we have to keep in mind that Blu-Ray stand-alones continue to sell (particularly, it appears, as bundled with HDTVs) and the PS3 keeps selling.

Time will tell.

I'm confused here. Isn't this the second time that Woolworths in the UK has dropped HD DVD? I thought they went BD exclusive last year, about the time that Target did. Too bad we lost Woolworths in the USA a long time ago.

There was no screw up at CC.... they simply jumped the gun on the formal announcement and Toshiba swatted their hand and made them take it back...so says the cynic.. The ways to pare the pear..

Did they actually make a formal announcement and then retract it??? That does sound fishy???

Here are the Neilsen numbers for ya. 100% of Paramount, Dreamworks and UNiversal movies sold on HDM will be HDDVD. Along with that Toshiba is going to sell a ton of $150 players. Since there is no redundancy in these items, stores will continue to carry them, at least in the US.

The notion that retailers will sell products that few people want because they are not "redundant" is new to me.

And the Nielsen numbers show that Universal, Paramount, and Dreamworks are currently splitting about 14-18% of the HDM market. 100% of a small number is a small number, particularly when it is split three ways.

The notion that retailers will sell products that few people want because they are not "redundant" is new to me.

And the Nielsen numbers show that Universal, Paramount, and Dreamworks are currently splitting about 14-18% of the HDM market. 100% of a small number is a small number, particularly when it is split three ways.

Then I guess at .6% of DVD, HDM is finished. Thanks for pointing that out.

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

Well, thanks for padding the hardware numbers. When Toshiba announces 1 million players sold, you’ll know that you played your part. :D

Do ya hear that Toshiba!? bommai bought your player, but he's not gonna buy a disk, no matter what title, no matter the quality. Hang it up, you've been served.:rolleyes:

I'll bet you more people use ther A3 to buy/rent HD DVDs than the PS3 guys use it for Bluray.

There was no screw up at CC.... they simply jumped the gun on the formal announcement and Toshiba swatted their hand and made them take it back...so says the cynic.. The ways to pare the pear..

Did they actually make a formal announcement and then retract it??? That does sound fishy???

Check the link on post #38.

CC screws up sale prices/promotions.............A LOT!!!!!!

Check the link on post #38.

CC screws up sale prices/promotions.............A LOT!!!!!!

SOme are ignoring that even though they own things like The Matrix box that they got for $20 and other items, due to CC screw ups.

Let me make myself clear. I did not buy the HD-A3 to go with the same TV (main HT room) and surround sound system as my PS3. I bought it for a 37" 720p TV in the living room that is connected to a 2 channel $150 Onkyo receiver and JBL book shelf speakers. I can tell you that I won't be watching movies in this setup when I have my 61" 1080p TV and H/K AVR 745 receiver with 7.1 Klipsch Reference series spekaers downstairs with the PS3.

This is the reason I won't be buying HD-DVDs. Warner will be watching how many players and disks are being sold. BD dominates both of them right now - even without the PS3 sales.

Let me make myself clear. I did not buy the HD-A3 to go with the same TV (main HT room) and surround sound system as my PS3. I bought it for a 37" 720p TV in the living room that is connected to a 2 channel $150 Onkyo receiver and JBL book shelf speakers. I can tell you that I won't be watching movies in this setup when I have my 61" 1080p TV and H/K AVR 745 receiver with 7.1 Klipsch Reference series spekaers downstairs with the PS3.

This is the reason I won't be buying HD-DVDs. Warner will be watching how many players and disks are being sold. BD dominates both of them right now - even without the PS3 sales.

They'll be looking at player sales and Toshiba thanks you for the help. Keep up the good work!

As someone suggested, the question is when a major retailer will go Blu-Ray exclusive, not if they will do so. As we see more 85-15 Nielsen numbers, we'll start seeing some movement on this front. So unless this Toshiba sale is different than all the others and it somehow manages to significantly change the Nielsen numbers, we'll see retailers do what Woolworths in the UK did, drop HD-DVD. As we ponder the impact of the HD-DVD sale, we have to keep in mind that Blu-Ray stand-alones continue to sell (particularly, it appears, as bundled with HDTVs) and the PS3 keeps selling.

Time will tell.

So you are really putting stock in the Woolworth's decision, huh? You live in California but import all of your Woolworth purchases?

What % of Woolworth sales are HDM would you imagine? Is Woolworth's even that big of a store? Their sales aren't the best as of late I read.

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i6ce16e4967a31670e36e24550a325825

Retail store posted a loss of 25 million in 2006-2007.

Woolworths says it anticipated reduced consumer demand and cut back on stock, while focusing on profitable sales rather than heavily discounted items such as electricals.

So who can blame Woolworth's for this decision. Try to sell 5 $499 players or sell 30 $140 players? Looks like they chose the higher profit margin items.

Did they actually make a formal announcement and then retract it??? That does sound fishy???

No they did not, it's Jeff speculating again with his famous one liners to incite:D

Get ready for the overused retort of

"It's just toys, why are you getting so excited?":p

So who can blame Woolworth's for this decision. Try to sell 5 $499 players or sell 30 $140 players? Looks like they chose the higher profit margin items.
BD players will have to come way down to really sell. If profit was the reason for their decision, it will be short lived.

So you are really putting stock in the Woolworth's decision, huh? You live in California but import all of your Woolworth purchases?


Of course not. I don't think I suggested such a thing. But it is a retailer looking at the landscape and making a decision, albeit in a different country. I think retailers in the US will look at the situation in a few months and independently make the same decision.

Then I guess at .6% of DVD, HDM is finished. Thanks for pointing that out.

DVD was a tiny portion of VHS at one point too. And CDs were a small portion of cassettes. Etc. They weren't finished. Let's wait a few quarters and see what is happening at that time.

Let's wait a few quarters and she what is happening at that time.

Shoe meet other foot.:p

Of course not. I don't think I suggested such a thing. But it is a retailer looking at the landscape and making a decision, albeit in a different country. I think retailers in the US will look at the situation in a few months and independently make the same decision.

Based on past articles it appears they were looking to get rid of low profit margin items. No can argue that BluRay isn't high profit margin at this point so you can't blame them.

IMO the "landscape" of HDM in the UK bears little importance in the US.

Based on past articles it appears they were looking to get rid of low profit margin items. No can argue that BluRay isn't high profit margin at this point so you can't blame them.

IMO the "landscape" of HDM in the UK bears little importance in the US.

We'll see. I tend to think that consumer electronics are probably not the low margin items they are trying to jettison. And the discs are the same price. I do think the essential factors -- strong Blu-Ray sales ratios, overwhelming CE support, stronger studio support, the PS3 -- are the same across the pond. But I may be wrong. I think we'll know sometime in 2008.

The notion that retailers will sell products that few people want because they are not "redundant" is new to me.

And the Nielsen numbers show that Universal, Paramount, and Dreamworks are currently splitting about 14-18% of the HDM market. 100% of a small number is a small number, particularly when it is split three ways.

The 14-18% share of the HDM software market is currently split between:

Universal, Paramount/Dreamworks and Warner (with a tiny share for for the various smaller HD DVD producers).

The volume that the HD DVD exclusive studios are selling must be quite small at the moment, after the Warner share of the HD DVD market is accounted for. And if the HD DVD market share remains below 20% much longer it's unlikely retailers will delay their move to a single HDM format.

As things stand it seems highly unlikely that HD DVD will survive to Q3 of 2008 (as a product offered by the major B&M retailers). That is one month after Warner end their support of HD DVD.

The 14-18% share of the HDM software market is currently split between:

Universal, Paramount/Dreamworks and Warner (with a tiny share for for the various smaller HD DVD producers).

The volume that the HD DVD exclusive studios are selling must be quite small at the moment, after the Warner share of the HD DVD market is accounted for. And if the HD DVD market share remains below 20% much longer it's unlikely retailers will delay their move to a single HDM format.

As things stand it seems highly unlikely that HD DVD will survive to Q3 of 2008 (as a product offered by the major B&M retailers). That is one month after Warner end their support of HD DVD.

Thank you for the correction. You are, of course, right about splitting with Warner. And I agree with virtually everything else in your post as well.

As things stand it seems highly unlikely that HD DVD will survive to Q3 of 2008 (as a product offered by the major B&M retailers). That is one month after Warner end their support of HD DVD.
I agree, but things change.

The clearance of third-generation HD DVD players was said to be inadvertent". Seems odd that a retailer would inadvertently print clearance price tags

someones never worked retail...happened with like 5% of tags printed.

As things stand it seems highly unlikely that HD DVD will survive to Q3 of 2008 (as a product offered by the major B&M retailers). That is one month after Warner end their support of HD DVD.

I also agree with this statement. But I will add that of all of the movies I have PAID for, they have all come from Amazon. Why would you pay more at B&M? If my philosophy of purchasing items leads to the death of HD DVD...well at least I saved a buck, and still got to see Transformers in HD. ;)

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

That's just you though.

You have simply made a choice to buy BD over HD.

You see though, most of the people who buy these players for $100 will not also have a PS3 or BD player, and when/if they become interested in HD media, HD DVD is obviously going to be what they will buy.

It's also pretty early to say you will never buy an HD DVD title when you have the player already and there are HD DVD exclusive studios putting out titles that you may want.

lets say you own the store which would you keep on the shelf the low buck item with
a small markup or the higher priced format with a reasonable markup such as electrnics
go,keep in mine that you are concerned about a profit and the format war means nothing
to you .

That's just you though.

You have simply made a choice to buy BD over HD.

You see though, most of the people who buy these players for $100 will not also have a PS3 or BD player, and when/if they become interested in HD media, HD DVD is obviously going to be what they will buy.

It's also pretty early to say you will never buy an HD DVD title when you have the player already and there are HD DVD exclusive studios putting out titles that you may want.

One problem with your conjecture is the movie prices. Right now, the movie prices for BD and HD-DVD are about the same. The people buying the HD-DVD players that are very cost conscious won't spend the big money on buying the HD-DVD movies. The non-cost conscious people won't care if the Bluray players cost $300-$400 instead of $150. Remember price of 4 HD-DVD movies = price of one player.

I am willing to bet that the movies sales ratio will continue to hover around 80-20 in BDs favor and by the middle of this year, Paramount and or Universal would have gone neutral.

most people that purchase the 99 dollar players will probably rent the ones spending
300 or more will probably buy movies helping said format increase its leverage.

lets say you own the store which would you keep on the shelf the low buck item with
a small markup or the higher priced format with a reasonable markup such as electrnics
go,keep in mine that you are concerned about a profit and the format war means nothing
to you .
Making single digit profits or even negative profit(LOSS) on an HD DVD player sale doesn't seem like a good way to increase your business profit margin/revenue. I see why CE stores prefer to sell more or even less Blu-ray players because their ROI is substancially more.


Just to be clear on my profit situation here's the breakdown.

Retail $149.99
Bank processing fee $3.75
Average shipping $12.50
Free titles (net cost) 38.00
Remaining profit is a negative #.

We also offer the player w/no additional free titles for $129 and we make a few dollars (single digit) on these sale.

-Robert

Here are the Neilsen numbers for ya. 100% of Paramount, Dreamworks and UNiversal movies sold on HDM will be HDDVD. Along with that Toshiba is going to sell a ton of $150 players. Since there is no redundancy in these items, stores will continue to carry them, at least in the US.

lol...never gonna give up...i hope they do sell a lot of those upconverters because that's all they're good at. :p

lol...never gonna give up...i hope they do sell a lot of those upconverters because that's all they're good at. :p
They make a lot of money from it, so why should they give up? :confused:

lol...never gonna give up...i hope they do sell a lot of those upconverters because that's all they're good at.

You're saying your DVD player and VHS player played HD-DVD discs? How good does an HD-DVD disc look when you play it on your Blu-Ray?

Time (or thank you).

Challenge the post, never the poster!

Just kidding, but the above is what the last post will look like before the thread is locked.

They make a lot of money from it, so why should they give up? :confused:
see post #67 it does not read that way.

see post #67 it does not read that way.

What does any of that have to do with the subject of my post, and the post I quoted, which was Toshiba? You do make an interesting point, though. All this talk about getting rid of HDDVD and there is proof that people will sell things they don't make a lot, if any, money on.

Check the link on post #38.

CC screws up sale prices/promotions.............A LOT!!!!!!

This wasn't a promotion to an ad misprint, it was an unadvertised "clearance" of players at a substantially reduced price. Identical "clearance" price tags appeared in many stores over the last week.

I don't believe it was a mistake. IMHO there are two possibilities:

1) There was a clearance but they changed their mind because they sold out of HD-DVD players quickly.

2) They are trying to dump stock from as quietly as possible so they can continue to sell players online.

If they restock the stores in the next week or so, the correct answer would be 1.

lol...never gonna give up...i hope they do sell a lot of those upconverters because that's all they're good at. :p

It's true that we should challenge the post and never the poster, but why would one come here and make this their contribution to the thread.

As for all of the business analysis here, why bother? We don't know anything about actual cost, cost to the retailer, or any deals that Toshiba may have made with retailers regarding these low-to-no margin players.

Bottom line is that CC either was not ever clearancing these players or they backed off on clearancing them. All in all, a non-even at this time, other than the fact that the price reduction moved a lot of hardware.

As many a people will confirm, CC did NOT advertise this "clearance". When I went in to buy one, the salesman thought I was crazy until I had him go into the computer and look it up. If it wasn't for the internet, I don't think they would have sold nearly as many as no one knew about it.

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.


you should seriously consider connecting that hd-dvd player to your main setup. that's crazy!!! you have a hd-dvd player and you won't hook it to your 61 inch system and watch hd-dvd exclusives? at least netflix them if you don't want to support the format.

deleted comment, instead of closing the thread.

As a former CC computer salesperson, I can say with certainty that mistakes like that occured when I was an employee. Coincidence for HD-DVD this time? Maybe. Maybe not.

In my opinion... there have been a high occurance of "Mistakes" with HDDVD at retailers.

1) Best buy giving out 3 box sets with purchase of HDDVD addon(I got heroes, matrix and smallville S6, which is why I have a player now)

2) Matrix collection for sale at CC for $20 during release week(I bought and sold on ebay)

3) Unadvertised buy one get one. Any title, including transformers during release week.

4) Clearance tags at CC.

And these are just ones that I remember, I have seen plenty others.

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/06/amd_ham.jpg

Never underestimate the ability of people to screw up! :eek:

Or more likely Toshiba threw some cash/incentives Circuit City's way to continue to carry the product. I highly doubt this was a simple screwup since many locations were selling them at the clearance price.

After May, will we see the prices below $100 regularly? It's all completely moot unless Toshiba gets buyers to support HD DVD disk sales also. I am sure at this point that Toshiba/Microsoft are completely subsidizing the production costs for the remaining studios to produce HD DVDs. Its probably not costing Universal and Paramount a dime to release in this format.

I'll bet you more people use ther A3 to buy/rent HD DVDs than the PS3 guys use it for Bluray.

I would take this bet in a second. In fact I would give you a bonus...

I would bet 2 x A3 owners < PS3 blu-ray users.

Regardless of the speculation about the sign and the intentions etc., CC has come out and said that they will continue to sell HD DVD. I will have to keep an eye out for software sales.

you should seriously consider connecting that hd-dvd player to your main setup. that's crazy!!! you have a hd-dvd player and you won't hook it to your 61 inch system and watch hd-dvd exclusives? at least netflix them if you don't want to support the format.

I am doing that. I am temporarily keeping the HD-A3 with my 61" TV, but I have not gotten time to watch any movies yet. I plan on watching Bourne Identity. Anybody willing to trade my free copy of 300 for Bourne Supremacy. I would rather have that instead of 300 since I already have 300 on Bluray.

We'll see. I tend to think that consumer electronics are probably not the low margin items they are trying to jettison. And the discs are the same price. I do think the essential factors -- strong Blu-Ray sales ratios, overwhelming CE support, stronger studio support, the PS3 -- are the same across the pond. But I may be wrong. I think we'll know sometime in 2008.

Did anyone stop and think that maybe Woolworth's is pulling the wool over our eyes? I mean this is a dying corporation, They just got a TON of FREE advertisement for dropping HD DVD for a second time!

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

I really hope you at least rent some Universal titles to watch, or is that against the BD.com oath?

In my opinion... there have been a high occurance of "Mistakes" with HDDVD at retailers.

1) Best buy giving out 3 box sets with purchase of HDDVD addon(I got heroes, matrix and smallville S6, which is why I have a player now)

2) Matrix collection for sale at CC for $20 during release week(I bought and sold on ebay)

3) Unadvertised buy one get one. Any title, including transformers during release week.

4) Clearance tags at CC.

And these are just ones that I remember, I have seen plenty others.

Thats so funny but true. the only reason I got into HD DVD was when Best Buy had the 4 free movies in store and let me walk out of there with 2 sopranos, smallville, and a Mission Impossible Boxset. I returned them all a different store and got a giftcard for more then I spent on the player. And, of all the 35 HD DVDs I used to have, the only one I didnt get on Ebay was the 20 matrix trilogy.

They make a lot of money from it, so why should they give up? :confused:

doesn't sound like it:

Originally Posted by Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Just to be clear on my profit situation here's the breakdown.

Retail $149.99
Bank processing fee $3.75
Average shipping $12.50
Free titles (net cost) 38.00
Remaining profit is a negative #.

We also offer the player w/no additional free titles for $129 and we make a few dollars (single digit) on these sale.

-Robert

One problem with your conjecture is the movie prices. Right now, the movie prices for BD and HD-DVD are about the same. The people buying the HD-DVD players that are very cost conscious won't spend the big money on buying the HD-DVD movies. The non-cost conscious people won't care if the Bluray players cost $300-$400 instead of $150. Remember price of 4 HD-DVD movies = price of one player.

I am willing to bet that the movies sales ratio will continue to hover around 80-20 in BDs favor and by the middle of this year, Paramount and or Universal would have gone neutral.



Cost concious consumers will ultimately carry the market. DVD has proven this, as has nearly every other business model including automotive, food, fuel, property, travel... you name it.

As you point out, movies are roughly the same cost, so that leaves hardware as the deciding factor from a cost perspective.

Also, let's look at attach rates between HD DVD players and BD players, then tell me again which group of buyers is purchasing more software on average.

Did anyone stop and think that maybe Woolworth's is pulling the wool over our eyes? I mean this is a dying corporation, They just got a TON of FREE advertisement for dropping HD DVD for a second time!

Uh, no.

Also, let's look at attach rates between HD DVD players and BD players, then tell me again which group of buyers is purchasing more software on average.

Why not look at the neilsens, where HDDVD gets its ass handed to it every week, and will continue to til Toshiba pulls the plug. Attach rate is the dying gasp of the deluded HDDVD fanboy. BD owners buy more software total than HDDVD owners and thats all that matters. Just ask WarnerBros.

Up until Jan 08 it was a 2-1 ratio. That is really peanuts when you Blu Fan boys tout numbers like 6mill Blu players vs 700k HD players. If there was that many Blu players shouldn't the numbers be around 5-1?

Fact is HD is getting more players out there now. I bet the next step by HD will be a price drop on all new releases. If things continue I bet Fox will leave BD as they almost left with Warner. If anything that should give you blu fans pause... obviously not everything is peachy in the blu camp if Fox almost left.

Fact is far more blu-ray players are sold and far more blu-ray discs are sold. Sure, maybe Divx, laserdisc, HD DVD and the Atari 56000 might have better attach rates.

Also, let's look at attach rates between HD DVD players and BD players

Lets not. Well on second thought, lets.

The reason I said lets not is because as usual the only way you are going to want to use those numbers is if you are going to miss represent the numbers.

So your argument is going to start out with the PS3 doesn't count as a BD player because they don't market it like that in order to make the player numbers look closer. But then when it comes to attach rate your going to add the PS3 in to try and make the attach rate look better. We have all seen that done a million times now. Fraud is an interesting word.

Well my take is if you can't count the PS/3 as a BD player because it isn't marketed that way then you can't count any thing Toshiba sells as a HD DVD player either because they marketing them as up converting DVD players. Meaning that sales were really 100BD : 0 HD DVD. Which when you look at software sales stats makes sense.

Fact is HD is getting more players out there now

Link please. Red fans have been saying that since day one but it isn't true is it?

Did anyone stop and think that maybe Woolworth's is pulling the wool over our eyes? I mean this is a dying corporation, They just got a TON of FREE advertisement for dropping HD DVD for a second time!

Where do you find that they are dying? I know it is long gone in the US, not sure on the UK, but they are quite big in Australia still.

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

Why not use the PS3 for up-conversion? Or is the PS3 not very good at doing that.

Fact is HD is getting more players out there now. I bet the next step by HD will be a price drop on all new releases. If things continue I bet Fox will leave BD as they almost left with Warner. If anything that should give you blu fans pause... obviously not everything is peachy in the blu camp if Fox almost left.


I hardly think the studios are going to keep flip flopping back and forth whenever there is a slight spike with either format. They are drawing a line now and BD is way ahead. The only studios that will be making changes are Paramount and Universal.


M

Up until Jan 08 it was a 2-1 ratio. That is really peanuts when you Blu Fan boys tout numbers like 6mill Blu players vs 700k HD players. If there was that many Blu players shouldn't the numbers be around 5-1?

Fact is HD is getting more players out there now. I bet the next step by HD will be a price drop on all new releases. If things continue I bet Fox will leave BD as they almost left with Warner. If anything that should give you blu fans pause... obviously not everything is peachy in the blu camp if Fox almost left.

get your facts together...., can you post a link for 6 mil Blu-ray players ?

it's always nice to see to count PS3 if you need to show up attach rate, and to not count PS3 if you need to show more players sold I think you missed slide from Toshiba at CES.

yeah Fox leaving, sureee
M.

If things continue I bet Fox will leave BD as they almost left with Warner.

Honestly, I have no idea when you guys are being serious and when you're just taking the piss.

I think the bottom line is these players ARE SELLING, Whats there to debate?

Isn't this thread going badly enough for the blues for it to be closed or disappear?

I hardly think the studios are going to keep flip flopping back and forth whenever there is a slight spike with either format. They are drawing a line now and BD is way ahead. The only studios that will be making changes are Paramount and Universal.


M

History shows us they don't flip because of spikes in a format. I have not seen anyone drawing a line in any public way, so I'm not sure why you make that statement.

Although I'd be surprised if a Blu studio flipped completely, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for one to go neutral at some point if Toshiba comes up with a plan that makes HD DVD sustainable and profitable.

History shows us they don't flip because of spikes in a format. I have not seen anyone drawing a line in any public way, so I'm not sure why you make that statement.

Although I'd be surprised if a Blu studio flipped completely, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for one to go neutral at some point if Toshiba comes up with a plan that makes HD DVD sustainable and profitable.

Dude! and science can proove an elephant can walk on a tight rope!

The weekend the price drop to $149 for the A3 happened, our local CC (Paducah, KY) had 8 on the floor, and they sold them all out the first day. I know this because I called and asked the next day if they had any left because I was going to drive the hour it takes to get there to go pick one up. No dice. This same store has since gotten more in and sold them out as well. This store isn't even in a major metro area, it's what I would call a medium sized store, but I have seen a lot bigger CC stores than it is. Both our local BB stores also have sold out of them a couple times since the $149 price drop. The one in Cape Girardeau, MO, had 4 or 5 on the weekend the get two extra with the player sale started, and they sold out of them the first day. Again, I know, because I called them. This was on the Sunday the sale started, They were supposed to get 8 more in on the following Tuesday, but they got them on Monday because again I called to check, as I was having no luck getting my hands on one. By Monday afternoon at 4PM, when I walked in I managed to get the last of the 8 they had gotten in that morning. The machines are definitely selling, and fast. For the BD camp to say otherwise is disingenuous or just plain misinformed. What will remain to be seen, though, is if selling a gaggle of the players alone is enough. But, that will be a battle for both formats, I think and not just HD-DVD or BD, because there is so much more content available on standard def. dvd. That's gonna be a big hurdle for any format to overcome since sd-dvd is so widely accepted.

Dude! and science can proove an elephant can walk on a tight rope!

Not sure I understand. If you have a response, please try to deliver it in a different way. We weren't talking about scientific possibilities. This is more about potential markets, profitable business ventures, and the public's response to reduced pricing. Elephants??

a few weeks ago, Best Buy's ad had them selling a Pioneer 5080 LCD TV on sale for $1899.

So sometimes things are printed en masse with a mistake.

Up until Jan 08 it was a 2-1 ratio. That is really peanuts when you Blu Fan boys tout numbers like 6mill Blu players vs 700k HD players. If there was that many Blu players shouldn't the numbers be around 5-1?


Well... umm.....

85:15 = 5.66 to 1

83:17 = 4.88 to 1

:D

but what toshiba is gambling on is that with all the cheap player sales are these
people going to purchase 24 and up dollars for a movie or they just going to rent.
you can sell all the players you can manufacture but if the movies are not being
sold well you figure it out.

Why not use the PS3 for up-conversion? Or is the PS3 not very good at doing that.

I have two TVs. I bought the HD-A3 for my living room small system. I did not even have a DVD player there before. Just an AppleTV. I thought I could put all my daughter's stuff on my mac and stream it to my AppleTV, but many times, she and my wife go and get DVDs from the public library and complain they can't watch it in the living room.

Fact is HD is getting more players out there now. I bet the next step by HD will be a price drop on all new releases. If things continue I bet Fox will leave BD as they almost left with Warner. If anything that should give you blu fans pause... obviously not everything is peachy in the blu camp if Fox almost left.

Everything in this post is pure FUD and speculation. Fox almost left ???? Do you have facts to prove this claim ?

People have also been speculating that Disney will jump ship soon since they voted on the TL51 but then why would Disney continue their Blu-ray crusade in 2008 (http://www.tvpredictions.com/distour012808.htm) until July to further validate their support behind Blu-ray and inform the consumer that it's the preferred Hi Definition format. :confused:

The weekend the price drop to $149 for the A3 happened, our local CC (Paducah, KY) had 8 on the floor, and they sold them all out the first day. I know this because I called and asked the next day if they had any left because I was going to drive the hour it takes to get there to go pick one up. No dice. This same store has since gotten more in and sold them out as well. This store isn't even in a major metro area, it's what I would call a medium sized store, but I have seen a lot bigger CC stores than it is. Both our local BB stores also have sold out of them a couple times since the $149 price drop. The one in Cape Girardeau, MO, had 4 or 5 on the weekend the get two extra with the player sale started, and they sold out of them the first day. Again, I know, because I called them. This was on the Sunday the sale started, They were supposed to get 8 more in on the following Tuesday, but they got them on Monday because again I called to check, as I was having no luck getting my hands on one. By Monday afternoon at 4PM, when I walked in I managed to get the last of the 8 they had gotten in that morning. The machines are definitely selling, and fast. For the BD camp to say otherwise is disingenuous or just plain misinformed. What will remain to be seen, though, is if selling a gaggle of the players alone is enough. But, that will be a battle for both formats, I think and not just HD-DVD or BD, because there is so much more content available on standard def. dvd. That's gonna be a big hurdle for any format to overcome since sd-dvd is so widely accepted.
The Best Buy closest to me, which is near a popular mall has had a pallet of around 50 A3 players in the middle of the DVD player area since after Chirstmas. That pile of players has only sold a few at most even with the $149 sale price.

The Best Buy closest to me, which is near a popular mall has had a pallet of around 50 A3 players in the middle of the DVD player area since after Chirstmas. That pile of players has only sold a few at most even with the $149 sale price.

You must live in the only place on earth where $150 upscaling DVD players don't sell. You should move to a better neighborhood.

but what toshiba is gambling on is that with all the cheap player sales are these
people going to purchase 24 and up dollars for a movie or they just going to rent.
you can sell all the players you can manufacture but if the movies are not being
sold well you figure it out.
HD DVD (upconvert) player - $149
HD DVD Discs - $20-35 each

1080p DVD upconvert player - $49-99
DVD discs - $5-15 each

I wonder which one looks more appealing to someone who IS COST conscience(J6P) ?

You must live in the only place on earth where $150 upscaling DVD players don't sell. You should move to a better neighborhood.
Well, when Frys, Circuit City, Best Buy and Sears have regular/frequent 1080p DVD upconvert player sales for $49-79(name brands like Philips, Sony, etc.), why would anyone spend $149 if they are COST CONSCIENCE ?

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Originally Posted by Cnd Joe View Post
Up until Jan 08 it was a 2-1 ratio. That is really peanuts when you Blu Fan boys tout numbers like 6mill Blu players vs 700k HD players. If there was that many Blu players shouldn't the numbers be around 5-1?
Well... umm.....

85:15 = 5.66 to 1

83:17 = 4.88 to 1


Maybe you can't read.....He said up until Jan 08......those are the two weeks following that when everyone was waiting for an official Toshiba announcement on what they were doing with HD DVD...... Nice job taking out of context though!

Well, when Frys, Circuit City, Best Buy and Sears have regular/frequent 1080p DVD upconvert player sales for $49-79(name brands like Philips, Sony, etc.), why would anyone spend $149 if they are COST CONSCIENCE ?

Is that the best you can come up with?;)

HD DVD (upconvert) player - $149
HD DVD Discs - $20-35 each

1080p DVD upconvert player - $49-99
DVD discs - $5-15 each

I wonder which one looks more appealing to someone who IS COST conscience(J6P) ?

So because someone buys a HD DVD player all they can play then is HD DVDs??? I think your statement would be more accurate if you put:

HD DVD (upconvert) player - $149
DVD discs - $5-15 each
or if they have the money or want to experience real HD.....
HD DVD Discs - $20-35 each

Then this cost conscience consumer doesn't need to buy another player to play HD movies.....

You must live in the only place on earth where $150 upscaling DVD players don't sell. You should move to a better neighborhood.

Huh? Why would people be flocking to pay $150 for an upscaler when you can get one for 1/3 the price? That makes no sense.

HD DVD (upconvert) player - $149
HD DVD Discs - $20-35 each

1080p DVD upconvert player - $49-99
DVD discs - $5-15 each

I wonder which one looks more appealing to someone who IS COST conscience(J6P) ?


You forogt

BD (upconvert) player - $399
BD discs - $20 - $35 each

Huh? Why would people be flocking to pay $150 for an upscaler when you can get one for 1/3 the price? That makes no sense.

If that is the case, there is no way BD is ever going to catch on.

You forogt

BD (upconvert) player - $399
BD discs - $20 - $35 each
:D

I bought an A3 last weekend at CC for $100. However, I will never buy a HD-DVD disk - this is where Toshiba loses. They are selling a player at a price of an upconverter (that is what I bought it for). I am not buying HD-DVDs though. I have a PS3 for Bluray and I have bought 35 BDs till now.

So you're neither going to watch the two movies in the box nor send in for the five freebies? Oh wait, you said you weren't going to buy movies. Well FYI, Netflix has a nice selection of HD DVDs that you don't have to buy, so I would suggest you put them in your queue and not buy them. ;)

HD DVD (upconvert) player - $149
HD DVD Discs - $20-35 each

1080p DVD upconvert player - $49-99
DVD discs - $5-15 each

I wonder which one looks more appealing to someone who IS COST conscience(J6P) ?

Don't you mean

HD DVD (upconvert) player - $149
Seven HD DVD Movies - FREE ($105 value)
HD DVD Discs - $15-35 each

1080p DVD upconvert player - $49-99
DVD discs - $5-15 each

Premium charged by Netflix for HD DVD Rental - $0

Everything in this post is pure FUD and speculation. Fox almost left ???? Do you have facts to prove this claim ?

People have also been speculating that Disney will jump ship soon since they voted on the TL51 but then why would Disney continue their Blu-ray crusade in 2008 (http://www.tvpredictions.com/distour012808.htm) until July to further validate their support behind Blu-ray and inform the consumer that it's the preferred Hi Definition format. :confused:

The Best Buy closest to me, which is near a popular mall has had a pallet of around 50 A3 players in the middle of the DVD player area since after Chirstmas. That pile of players has only sold a few at most even with the $149 sale price.

HD DVD (upconvert) player - $149
HD DVD Discs - $20-35 each

1080p DVD upconvert player - $49-99
DVD discs - $5-15 each

I wonder which one looks more appealing to someone who IS COST conscience(J6P) ?

Well, when Frys, Circuit City, Best Buy and Sears have regular/frequent 1080p DVD upconvert player sales for $49-79(name brands like Philips, Sony, etc.), why would anyone spend $149 if they are COST CONSCIENCE ?

Well, thanks for coming in to set everyone straight. Is there something with CC supporting HD DVD that bothers you? Rapid fire responses (complete with your own anecdotal random observations) to refute the thread seems like a sure sign that this discussion doesn't really interest you.

If that is the case, there is no way BD is ever going to catch on.

Ummm, a Blu-ray player is more than an upscaler.

Ummm, a Blu-ray player is more than an upscaler.

Not anymore than a HD DVD player, and for most people it will upscale DVDs far more than it play BDs.

Not anymore than a HD DVD player, and for most people it will upscale DVDs far more than it play BDs.

Ok, how about we just agree to disagree instead of turning this into a flame-war.

Ok, how about we just agree to disagree instead of turning this into a flame-war.

You can disagree with the facts all you want.

You can disagree with the facts all you want.
Now you are just being rude.:mad:

Now you are just being rude.:mad:

I would say that you being hypocritical is rude.

I posted this in the Mac Chat forum - but I want to add the following.

I have a 61" JVC 1080p (only 1080i thorough HDMI) TV. I just bought a HD-A3. I played Unbreakable SD DVD (parts of it). I also have a PS3 (latest firmware). I also have a 24" 2.8 Ghz iMac Core 2 Duo running Leopard (10.5.1) - DVD Player. All of these are hooked to the TV through HDMI. Comparing the same movie on all three players, I found that the Mac did the best job of deinterlacing/scaling. The PS3 was second. The HD-A3 was third. While I will use the HD-A3 for a few HD-DVD movies (rent or free ones), it will spend most of its time upstairs hooked up to a stereo receiver and a 37" 720p TV doing upscaling duties.

Personally I think they did the "pricing error" on purpose to get rid of a large back stock and now they are back to a reasonable level they say it was an accident and everyone wins. The consumer wins because they got this "super awesome deal" and CC wins because when the bottom finally does drop out of HD DVD than they have a lot less inventory sitting stagnant on their shelves.

I would say that you being hypocritical is rude.
And now you don't even know who you are replying to, I think it may be time for you to take a break.

I see another thread closure coming soon courtesy of..., well you know who - The Master.

Honestly, I have no idea when you guys are being serious and when you're just taking the piss.

i think they are taking a piss in hope that something will happen...ok...so hvdvd has won the high-def war...please let's move on.

closed :mad: