:) :)
i had the great opportunity of seeing the result of oneobgyn's quest to reach home theater bliss. seeing the superbowl with his 96 inch 16x9 masked screen displaying the beautiful images from his simm2 projector was awesome!! with memory serving me correctly, the system was supported by a lexicon 12b-hd, sony blue-ray player, the krell multi channel amp, and of course the fantastic wilson audio speakers, and a pair of gotham subs. the universal mx-3000 touchscreen remote controled this gem of a system. the clarity, definition, and delivery of true color with tremendous black levels delivered by this combination made me wish xmas was here, and this package was under my tree.

when movie time came, ob touched the remote, and the isco lens moved into position, the screen masks raised, and a marvelous 120 inch 2.35 image of ratatouille appeared before my eyes with more depth and prescence than i have experienced before. the elimination of the letterbox was grand, but when he played the sequence with the old lady using a shotgun to shoot at the rats in her home, the gotham subs blew me away, and they are crossed over at 75hz. the demo ended with segments from casino royale, open range, speed, and of course the super eagles cuts of hotel california, and new york minute in dts.

cutting to the chase, one ob has exceeded any expectations i had.

thanks for being my idol, and my wife's greatest fear, because she knows that i want the same toys!

Any pictures?

What he said! Stop teasing us and show us the results.;)

Thanks to fellow BAAS member ELS kind comments. It was a great afternoon except that the Pats lost.
16 of us did get together to watch the game, followed by some music and then to watch some movie clips to demo the system. As els said the house shook from those Gothams

Here is a link to my Audiogon site with some newer photos

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vaslt&1049587927&read&3&4&5

My son who is a film major took the photos using both flash and existing light, hence some of the shadows will be seen, In darkness however the screen comes alive and appears almost 3 dimensional. In spite of my white walls and very light beige carpet the image remains excellent perhaps related to the ASC soundpanels on the front wall and the many tube traps lining the side and rear walls.

My son took 30 in all and if anyone wants to see them, send me your e-mail address and I will forward them

My son took 30 in all and if anyone wants to see them, send me your e-mail address and I will forward them

I'll take the email, Thanks

On their way to you

Success, thanks!!

you guys should use PM instead of posting your email addresses

Nice ! How are you enjoying it so far ?

Art

dual Gothams, eh? ;)

now that is pretty impressive

Nice ! How are you enjoying it so far ?

Art

Art

better than I could ever have imagined. Not in the league of yours or Jeff's but honestly when the lights are out it is an engulfing experience. I could have gone with a bigger screen but honestly I am happy beyond words. To watch movies on a 10 foot screen is sufficient to me. The installation couldn't have been any more perfect

We watched the gun fight in Open Range yesterday after the game and I can tell you my house shook with each shot of the gun. When Robert Duval fired the 12 guage shotgun through the wall, my wife came running up the stairs to see what happened. Felt like a 7.0 quake

Art

better than I could ever have imagined. Not in the league of yours or Jeff's but honestly when the lights are out it is an engulfing experience. I could have gone with a bigger screen but honestly I am happy beyond words. To watch movies on a 10 foot screen is sufficient to me. The installation couldn't have been any more perfect

We watched the gun fight in Open Range yesterday after the game and I can tell you my house shook with each shot of the gun. When Robert Duval fired the 12 guage shotgun through the wall, my wife came running up the stairs to see what happened. Felt like a 7.0 quake

Great to hear ! I went to a home theater meet a couple of weeks ago where some of Mark Seaton's Taraforms were used and that demo.:eek::D

Art

hey congrats. wow, i never knew how big (and expensive) those gotham subs are.... but they truly look magnificent. the piano gloss finish looks very classy.

hey congrats. wow, i never knew how big (and expensive) those gotham subs are.... but they truly look magnificent. the piano gloss finish looks very classy.

every bit as good as any Wilson speaker I have ever owned. The subs are a work of art

Looks like a huge room. What are the dimensions?

dual Gothams, eh? ;)

now that is pretty impressive

And the rest isn't? ;)

And the rest isn't? ;)

I'm a subwoofer guy....It takes something special like an IB, multiple gothams, or multiple low tuned large EBS subwoofers to impress me ;) :

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/ssabripo/MyHTsetup%2001-08/sherv_HT_jan2008010.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/ssabripo/MyHTsetup%2001-08/sherv_HT_jan2008007.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/ssabripo/AVA18%20measurements/1steq_try.jpg

Looks like a huge room. What are the dimensions?


17 wide X 31 long

Ceiling is 9 feet at the outside walls and 12 feet at the inside wall

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!@@@@@@@@@@@@ Better check your walls and foundation of your home for cracks from your dual Gothan subs.

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!@@@@@@@@@@@@ Better check your walls and foundation of your home for cracks from your dual Gothan subs.


No joke

The gun fight in Open Range literally shook my house

Gosh Steve

once yours is installed there will be nothing left to talk about here at AVS

Now that is what I call the ultimate movie and music system. And it is nice to look at.. (esthetics seem to be constantly overlooked when setting up a reference system). Congrats.

So which seat is yours? ;)

Now that is what I call the ultimate movie and music system. And it is nice to look at.. (esthetics seem to be constantly overlooked when setting up a reference system). Congrats.

Thanks Jeff

Coming from you I take that as the ultimate compliment

So which seat is yours? ;)


It does look odd I admit having that listening chair up fron but that is the seet spot for audio and IMO to have other seats on either side of that is suboptimal....hence the row behind for the HT viewing.

wow, that room looks so nice I just had to comment. Beautiful.

I really love the look of the cylindrical room treatment, it always looks so classy.

hmmmmm...this thread seems to have lost half the posts, including a couple of mine. There was no nudity, swearing, insulting in my posts...maybe that's why they're gone?

hmmmmm...this thread seems to have lost half the posts, including a couple of mine. There was no nudity, swearing, insulting in my posts...maybe that's why they're gone?

Server problems. Everything from today was lost.

I'd just like to say that not only is OB's room/system gorgeous, but I truly appreciate the thought that went into integrating the home theater with the 2-channel set-up. I believe that most folks (regardless of finance level) opt to combine both of these functions into one system, most likely due to space/room limitations.

OB, are there any channel balance issues due to the side-sloping ceiling? My friend built a room 27 x 17 with an offset peak that ran the length of the room to avoid symmetry, and the thinking was that there would be less imbalance in "room volume" that each channel sees.

So, was this room chosen because it was already part of the home or did you build it this way? Heaven knows I'm not offering any criticism here, just interested if there are any alterations that might be found on a "wish list". I currently have architect plans drawn for my home theater, but haven't started construction yet. I'm extremely open to ideas, before they cut any holes in my home!

Thanks for the time and effort to share all this information with us.

Lee

I'd just like to say that not only is OB's room/system gorgeous, but I truly appreciate the thought that went into integrating the home theater with the 2-channel set-up. I believe that most folks (regardless of finance level) opt to combine both of these functions into one system, most likely due to space/room limitations.

OB, are there any channel balance issues due to the side-sloping ceiling? My friend built a room 27 x 17 with an offset peak that ran the length of the room to avoid symmetry, and the thinking was that there would be less imbalance in "room volume" that each channel sees.

So, was this room chosen because it was already part of the home or did you build it this way? Heaven knows I'm not offering any criticism here, just interested if there are any alterations that might be found on a "wish list". I currently have architect plans drawn for my home theater, but haven't started construction yet. I'm extremely open to ideas, before they cut any holes in my home!

Thanks for the time and effort to share all this information with us.

Lee

Hi Lee

Believe it or not I bought this house because of the room. IMO the sloped ceiling adds much to the acoustics in a positive rather than a negative way. There is no asymmetry

I would have to assume that the subs behind the mains sounds the best for two channel, but I was curious if you moved them (hopefully the're on wheels!!) to hear if there was a better position for Movies? With the size of your room and the output of those subs I doubt it would make any difference. Also what is the config for the input of the subs? Do you change cables from 2 channel or is it automatic?

Thanks
Joey

Hi Lee

Believe it or not I bought this house because of the room. IMO the sloped ceiling adds much to the acoustics in a positive rather than a negative way. There is no asymmetry

Removing the two largest parallel surfaces from the equation is a good thing. I was leaning more toward the relative "horn-loading" (poor term) that room dimensions can contribute to, especially in the ability of low bass to pressurize an area. You therefore noticed no channel imbalances that were EQ'd out?

Lee

Removing the two largest parallel surfaces from the equation is a good thing. I was leaning more toward the relative "horn-loading" (poor term) that room dimensions can contribute to, especially in the ability of low bass to pressurize an area. You therefore noticed no channel imbalances that were EQ'd out?

Lee

I don't use an equalizer in my room except perhaps that which came with the Gothams. There is absolutely no channel imbalances in the room and I have used MAXX's, X-1 Series lll and now the X-2's in that room with the same reults. I would bet that the heasvy trapping in the room with the various size ASC traps is also a factor

RBFC

there have been many posts losts on this as well as all threads yesterday from the server being down but if you send me your e-mail by way of PM I will send you the 30 photos which my son took of the room after the install. He is a film major and took some very good shots

Hi Lee

Believe it or not I bought this house because of the room. IMO the sloped ceiling adds much to the acoustics in a positive rather than a negative way. There is no asymmetry
OB,

Yes - sloped ceilings have advantages because they "spread-out" the spectrum of the
the standing waves - the "room modes".

The audio wavelength that fits the high end of the room is not the audio wavelength
that fits the low end of the room. The same applies for all frequencies in between.

So the standing waves due to the room height are "spread out" in frequency space;
and one doesn't have a single dominant family of harmonics in your room mode
spectrum due to the room height.

I would have to assume that the subs behind the mains sounds the best for two channel, but I was curious if you moved them (hopefully the're on wheels!!) to hear if there was a better position for Movies? With the size of your room and the output of those subs I doubt it would make any difference. Also what is the config for the input of the subs? Do you change cables from 2 channel or is it automatic?

Thanks
Joey

I never change cables and yes that was the best position for the Gothams when the room was calibrated by the installers who used Sencore calibrating equipment. The room is reasonably flat except for a small 3 Db fall off at 106 Hz.

Here is a post from my audiogon thread describing how the subs are wired

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vaslt&1049587927&openflup&584&4#584

OB,

Yes - sloped ceilings have advantages because the "spread-out" the spectrum of the
the standing waves - the "room modes".

The audio wavelength that fits the high end of the room is not the audio wavelength
that fits the low end of the room. The same applies for all frequencies in between.

So the standing waves due to the room height are "spread out" in frequency space;
and one doesn't have a single dominant family of harmonics in your room mode
spectrum due to the room height.


Greg

as always, thank you for making the explanation understandable.

OB,

Yes - sloped ceilings have advantages because they "spread-out" the spectrum of the
the standing waves - the "room modes".

The audio wavelength that fits the high end of the room is not the audio wavelength
that fits the low end of the room. The same applies for all frequencies in between.

So the standing waves due to the room height are "spread out" in frequency space;
and one doesn't have a single dominant family of harmonics in your room mode
spectrum due to the room height.

My room is like that, but I went the extra mile in sloping also one of the lateral walls.

This way, lateral standing waves are also evened out.

The room certainly was a winner for me

Lee,

there would be a slight differential in ambient energy coming from the side with the lower ceiling, but it probably wouldn't be terribly noticeable in the scheme of things. Most acousticians I've seen slope the ceiling so that it is the same height on both sides of the room, but varying from front to back. I would imagine you could also measure slight differences in bass from left to right, but the bass would be better in most areas because of the slope. i also image any differences would be minimal compared to the gain and probably easily adjusted out. It is a nice room, nicely set up!

Lee,

there would be a slight differential in ambient energy coming from the side with the lower ceiling, but it probably wouldn't be terribly noticeable in the scheme of things. Most acousticians I've seen slope the ceiling so that it is the same height on both sides of the room, but varying from front to back. I would imagine you could also measure slight differences in bass from left to right, but the bass would be better in most areas because of the slope. i also image any differences would be minimal compared to the gain and probably easily adjusted out. It is a nice room, nicely set up!

wow...coming from you...I just don't know what to say..I'm humbled

Well, i apologize for not saying so before. There never seemed to be the right time, if you know what i mean.

Ob has a home theater? Since when?

Ob has a home theater? Since when?

No one took him seriously except for a few audio nuts because he had an old Runco projector that he never even mentioned. Now folks know OB's the real deal. He's my super hero!!! Sort of like Spider-man. He keeps crawling and sticking to it and gettin' it better and better, always for audio, now for video and home theater, too. And like Batman, he's got Gotham subs.:)

No one took him seriously except for a few audio nuts because he had an old Runco projector that he never even mentioned. Now folks know OB's the real deal. He's my super hero!!! Sort of like Spider-man. He keeps crawling and sticking to it and gettin' it better and better, always for audio, now for video and home theater, too. And like Batman, he's got Gotham subs.:)


:)

Just for the record, I think Ob's system would kick Batmans' a$$. Superman or Spiderman is a close call though...

Just for the record, I think Ob's system would kick Batmans' a$$. Superman or Spiderman is a close call though...
Thanks for the compliments but my system pales compared to some others here

No joke

The gun fight in Open Range literally shook my house

Congrats. Nice to see you are giving those Wilsons something else to do, not that they aren't doing a world class job with music. "Open Range" is a good one. The gun shots in "The Brave One," are also. Try that one too. Couple of songs in the movie are also pretty nicely done.

Thanks for the compliments but my system pales compared to some others here


Your false modesty overwhelms me, my hero!!@@:D

Congrats. Nice to see you are giving those Wilsons something else to do, not that they aren't doing a world class job with music. "Open Range" is a good one. The gun shots in "The Brave One," are also. Try that one too. Couple of songs in the movie are also pretty nicely done.

It is actually the Gotham subs that are doing the shaking not the X-2's

Your false modesty overwhelms me, my hero!!@@:D

Indeed:(

I do believe my theater pales compares to other members here. My audio side however is a different story.

Watched AcrossThe Universe in Blu-Ray yesterday. Very good

Hello oneobgyn,
What a wonderful theater you have! If you don't mind, I would also like to have the photos that your son took. I will PM you with my email address.
Being in Pleasanton, I am not far from you. I would be grateful if I can visit sometime, and I will be happy to reciprocate with my build.

Thank you!

Thanks to fellow BAAS member ELS kind comments. It was a great afternoon except that the Pats lost.
16 of us did get together to watch the game, followed by some music and then to watch some movie clips to demo the system. As els said the house shook from those Gothams

Here is a link to my Audiogon site with some newer photos

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vaslt&1049587927&read&3&4&5

My son who is a film major took the photos using both flash and existing light, hence some of the shadows will be seen, In darkness however the screen comes alive and appears almost 3 dimensional. In spite of my white walls and very light beige carpet the image remains excellent perhaps related to the ASC soundpanels on the front wall and the many tube traps lining the side and rear walls.

My son took 30 in all and if anyone wants to see them, send me your e-mail address and I will forward them

ob,

Do you use your new subs when listening to two channel music, or do you just use the Wilsons?

http://blog.audiovideointeriors.com/208great/
:rolleyes:
Found this over the top HT intriguing

http://blog.audiovideointeriors.com/208great/
:rolleyes:
Found this over the top HT intriguing
tbrunet,

Yes - this already has its own current thread at:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=990712

and even this thread is a rehash of previous discussions.

This theater has already been discussed here ad nauseum.

been months since I frequented this forum... I see OB finally realized there is this thing called HT that you can do with your music room. Course his Open Range experience won't be complete without TRWs... just not complete, that's by definition :)

To the guy who posted the frequency plot... flat down to 10Hz is good but not very useful... 75dB at 10Hz is lost on the human... you'll need close to 105-110dB to feel something, according to our tests.

been months since I frequented this forum... I see OB finally realized there is this thing called HT that you can do with your music room. Course his Open Range experience won't be complete without TRWs... just not complete, that's by definition :)

To the guy who posted the frequency plot... flat down to 10Hz is good but not very useful... 75dB at 10Hz is lost on the human... you'll need close to 105-110dB to feel something, according to our tests.

Tzucc

good to see you back.

Although not TRW's I can tell you that these 2 Gotham subs are the cat's meow....so much so I got rid of my much antiquated XS. As for complete without TRW's I will never forget coming home from your house after the TRW demo and having motion sickness for 2 days...not my cup of tea I guess

I will indeed be googling for the Gothams... I think I saw these at a previous CES...

I will indeed be googling for the Gothams... I think I saw these at a previous CES...


forget about seeing them (even though they are eye candy)...hearing is believing....each has a 3800 Watt Class D amp

wow... 3800 Watts... isn't that far more than a single 20amp breaker can deliver??? how do you power these things?

also I haven't followed the news wrt WA ... what's Dave W. been up to these days?

also I haven't followed the news wrt WA ... what's Dave W. been up to these days?

It's called Thor's Hammer and X-2 Series ll upgrade

thanks OB... sounds like the Gothams are the way to go. I am seriously considering selling my WDs and XS and updating to these subs.

looks like the Thor is basically an upgrade of the XS....

thanks OB... sounds like the Gothams are the way to go. I am seriously considering selling my WDs and XS and updating to these subs.

Tzucc

without tongue in cheek, after you hear these Gothams you might also want to sell your pair of TRW's

looks like the Thor is basically an upgrade of the XS....


well certainly a passive sub. If you buy a pair ($18K MSRP each) with proper amplification you are approaching $50K

:eek::eek:

:eek:Tzucc

without tongue in cheek, after you hear these Gothams you might also want to sell your pair of TRW's:cool::eek:;)

I can be convinced that the Gothams can kill the XS or the Watchdogs, but JL has not been able to bend the laws of physics... at the end of the day, a cone can only do what it can do, no more, which at <<20Hz, is much less output than the TRWs.

I can be convinced that the Gothams can kill the XS or the Watchdogs, but JL has not been able to bend the laws of physics... at the end of the day, a cone can only do what it can do, no more, which at <<20Hz, is much less output than the TRWs.

Perhaps, but I just don't want to suffer from motion sickness or incur structural damage to my house with the TRW. Suffice it to say the Gothams add sufficient LFE into the room that even you would be satisfied. Next BAAS meeting at my house

Those rotary subwoofers were pretty impressive at the demonstration I attended. When they were taken out of the system, the loss of presence was palpable with just the "ordinary" subwoofers engaged. It was more subliminal than heard, but quite perceptible.

Those rotary subwoofers were pretty impressive at the demonstration I attended. When they were taken out of the system, the loss of presence was palpable with just the "ordinary" subwoofers engaged. It was more subliminal than heard, but quite perceptible.


I do agree but the same case can be made for the Gotham's albeit at a different level. I found myself coming out of the TRW demo much the same as getting off a boat onto dry land, IOW some degree of motion sickness for seveal hours.

I will indeed be googling for the Gothams... I think I saw these at a previous CES...
tzucc,

Good to hear from you again.

I heard OB's Gotham subs at one of his recent auditions of his system.

They literally shook the room. They don't do what the TRWs do; but again
nothing is a peer to the TRWs.

You might even consider freeing up some space in your theater by replacing
either the XS or the "Dogs" with a Gotham or two.

found myself coming out of the TRW demo much the same as getting off a boat onto dry land, IOW some degree of motion sickness for seveal hours.
OB,

The TRWs aren't as bad as sailing on the Bay. One of my now retired colleagues has a
sail boat and I crewed with him on a sail outside the Golden Gate into the open Pacific.
It was quite choppy.

I didn't realize how much having "sea legs" for a few hours affected me until I got home
and took a shower. When I went to rinse my face in the water stream, I closed my eyes.
Once I lost the visual clues to my attitude; my legs were still attempting to compensate
for the motion of the boat. I felt like I was going to fall over.

Morbius, it's true... I often get dizzier back on land than while on the water.

I would like to attend OB's next BAAS meeting if possible... and hear/feel these things for myself.

If the movie Cloverfield (when it comes out on HD) makes good TRW bass, then I'll host a BAAS movie event here at my house for y'all.

Look forward to seeing you again Tzucc

Is it possible to have you all move down here, at least for the meetings? :D

Hey Steve,

Looking forward to getting to see your setup now that V-Day stuff has calmed down.

Tzucc, now that I'm in the area... would love to check out your setup. I've been a fan of reproducing freq down to the sibngle digits forever....

Morbius, it's true... I often get dizzier back on land than while on the water.

I would like to attend OB's next BAAS meeting if possible... and hear/feel these things for myself.

If the movie Cloverfield (when it comes out on HD) makes good TRW bass, then I'll host a BAAS movie event here at my house for y'all.


tzucc,

great to see you on the forum. i can assure you that when you see and hear oneobgyn's new system, you will have your checkbook waiting.

be well

I can be convinced that the Gothams can kill the XS or the Watchdogs, but JL has not been able to bend the laws of physics... at the end of the day, a cone can only do what it can do, no more, which at <<20Hz, is much less output than the TRWs.
tzucc,

I wholeheartedly concur. The laws of physics just plain don't allow a cone to do what
the TRWs do.

Bruce Thigpen covered this very nicely in his intro of the operating principles of the TRW
when he was first out for the demo of the TRW.

As Bruce stated, any cone subwoofer is limited by the mechanical impedance
mismatch between the cone and the room at the infrasonic frequencies at which the
TRW operates.

If one is going to launch a low frequency wave into the room, one has to ramp up the
pressure in the room. Multiply the area of any subwoofer cone and its displacement or
"throw" and there's no way that accounts for enough volume to do the requisite pressure
increase.

The TRW doesn't suffer from that constraint.

Are there many movies that "benefit" from the really low frequency stuff the TRW reproduces? I know that BlackHawk Down and a few others have something down there, but is there much else? WOTW sounds unbelievable with some "regular" subs - would love to hear it on the TRW!

Are there many movies that "benefit" from the really low frequency stuff the TRW reproduces? I know that BlackHawk Down and a few others have something down there, but is there much else? WOTW sounds unbelievable with some "regular" subs - would love to hear it on the TRW!
Bogg,

Believe it or not - but yes there are movies with low frequency content down there.

My favorite that I heard at tzucc's was "Master and Commander". The battle in the
opening scene between the H.M.S. Surprise and the Archeron in which both ships
are firing their cannons was unbelievable.

Those cannon shots sounded just like when I was a graduate student in Boston-
Cambridge and was at the Charles River Esplanade on the afternoon of July 4th
when the Massachusetts National Guard test fired the howitzers that would provide
the cannon fire for the 1812 Overture for that evening's Boston Pops concert.

You really feel that pressure wave washing over you - no cone subwoofer does that.

Reminds me of the concussions of being *under* the fireworks display rather than way off to the side. The pressure wave is totally different from what a sub can do, not that i necessarily want to be subjected to it just to enjoy a movie.

Sounds like a great experience Morbius. I heard that cannon
scene from M&C on an IB subwoofer setup with 4-18 inch subs and it was impressive also.

If I had a rotary subwoofer, I would be tempted to use one of the sub harmonic synthesizers. Although this would be entirely artificial compared to signal content, it would probably be quite authentic compared to the barometric harmonics created in live performances. Signal content is cut off in an arbitrary fashion at 20 Hz or so because of recording limitations and convenience, whereas live sound will have a complete spectrum of frequency content even if it is at low levels. I wouldn't necessarily rely on the bass content to be present on recording, since that would be rare. A sub harmonic synthesizer with tube rectified tube buffer would probably sound quite interesting on that thing.

Not only are there movies with <20Hz content, there is also a lot of music with <20Hz content. Most live venue recordings (especially classical) have a lot of low frequency ambient noise that IMO contribute to the sonic illusion of you 'being there'. There are also the obvious choices featuring large organ stops or very large drums.

Not only are there movies with <20Hz content, there is also a lot of music with <20Hz content. Most live venue recordings (especially classical) have a lot of low frequency ambient noise that IMO contribute to the sonic illusion of you 'being there'. There are also the obvious choices featuring large organ stops or very large drums.


Even though I agree with you I found that listening to the demos at Tzucc's was certainly interesting but as stated created a sense of motion sickness that I found unsettling. This compunded by the worry of what one (let alone two) TRW's would do to the foundation of my house is for me a deal breaker. Heck, the Gotham's shake my house in a very worrisome fashion as well. If memory serves me, Tzucc's neighbors were knocking on his door wondering if there was an earthquake and his nearest neighbor was more than a stone's throw away

to be fair, that was before the official setup
that was when the back box was.... his neighborhood.

And the last demo, i seem to recall that there was more dialing in done after that.

OK--I was only at the first demo so you are probably correct.

lesson learned: when next buy a place make sure neighbours are not using any of the subs you guys own

ob congrats your done with one note bass

lesson learned: when next buy a place make sure neighbours are not using any of the subs you guys own

ob congrats your done with one note bass

thanks bud

I will feel vindicated when Tzucc comes over for a listen

OB, leave the TRW's alone... It is an entire different animal. You can be quite presidential most of the time but when you give digs at a product you can be pretty merciless. Fatiguing MBL101's and now motion sickness inducing TRW's. Im sorry but you seem to be rationalizing a bit. Congrats on the new gear though.

OB, leave the TRW's alone... It is an entire different animal. You can be quite presidential most of the time but when you give digs at a product you can be pretty merciless. Fatiguing MBL101's and now motion sickness inducing TRW's. Im sorry but you seem to be rationalizing a bit. Congrats on the new gear though.


you make good points

If you go back you will see that I felt that the MBL demos are consistantly the best each year at CES. My point however is that "for my ears" after a while they do become fatiguing.

I do agree about the TRW's as well. Your point is well taken nonetheless. Heck I never thought I would get rid of my XS

I heard the MBLs at HE2007; I didn't like them personally. Not the greatest listening environment for scrutinizing a speaker though, or even a semi-satisfactory listening environment...

I'm feeling some serious deja-vu with the TRW discussion here. :rolleyes:

ob, Great transformation/addition to your room. Congrats and do enjoy!

So far as the motion-sickness factor of the TRW, it should be clairfied that Bruce had the TRW set WAAAAYY high for that demo. As in 10-15dB strong. Having been installing more than a few subs recently with clean output into the 8-12Hz range, I dissagree the notion that we need this range elevated so much. Capability of 100-110dB at the listening position down low is where the fun begins IMO, and of course more is welcome.

Below 8-12Hz is where it gets rather difficult, large, and expensive for other solutions using ~convetional drivers to compete, but I'd still say that 8-12Hz extension is testing the limits of what most front end electronics can be counted on passing through, and the TRW isn't the only means to get there. Of course I'm pretty sure the Gotham's won't do it either. ;)

I'm feeling some serious deja-vu with the TRW discussion here. :rolleyes:

ob, Great transformation/addition to your room. Congrats and do enjoy!

So far as the motion-sickness factor of the TRW, it should be clairfied that Bruce had the TRW set WAAAAYY high for that demo. As in 10-15dB strong. Having been installing more than a few subs recently with clean output into the 8-12Hz range, I dissagree the notion that we need this range elevated so much. Capability of 100-110dB at the listening position down low is where the fun begins IMO, and of course more is welcome.

Below 8-12Hz is where it gets rather difficult, large, and expensive for other solutions using ~convetional drivers to compete, but I'd still say that 8-12Hz extension is testing the limits of what most front end electronics can be counted on passing through, and the TRW isn't the only means to get there. Of course I'm pretty sure the Gotham's won't do it either. ;)

Thanks Mark

your comments always make good sense

Thanks Mark

your comments always make good sense

Not to me they don't... Mark you know that it's not about having output at 8-10dB, it's about having ENOUGH output at 8-10dB ... I want to mumble something about Fletcher Munson curves that I don't really know in detail, but intuitively it sounds right... the ear is increasingly insensitive as freq dives below 20Hz. So you need >100 to 110dB to feel it... this is backed up by our testing. And the cones just can't move nearly as much air as a fan. Seems obvious at face value.

That doesn't mean that a TRW-less room sucks... I am reminded of JeffMacs room which I enjoyed the bass very much and he had two different brands of smaller subs. No Gothams, Dogs or XS or TRWs. But it was very impactful and enjoyable.

On the topic of fireworks... we've all seen the one type that is like a huge flashbang in the sky, with one huge pop. The TRW's are not able to reproduce that impact in the chest at all perfectly, but the cannons in M&C along with the TRWs get somewhat close.

Not to me they don't... Mark you know that it's not about having output at 8-10dB, it's about having ENOUGH output at 8-10dB ... I want to mumble something about Fletcher Munson curves that I don't really know in detail, but intuitively it sounds right... the ear is increasingly insensitive as freq dives below 20Hz. So you need >100 to 110dB to feel it... this is backed up by our testing. And the cones just can't move nearly as much air as a fan. Seems obvious at face value.

That doesn't mean that a TRW-less room sucks... I am reminded of JeffMacs room which I enjoyed the bass very much and he had two different brands of smaller subs. No Gothams, Dogs or XS or TRWs. But it was very impactful and enjoyable.

On the topic of fireworks... we've all seen the one type that is like a huge flashbang in the sky, with one huge pop. The TRW's are not able to reproduce that impact in the chest at all perfectly, but the cannons in M&C along with the TRWs get somewhat close.


Jeffmac IIRC uses a Wilson WOWW

and a Velodyne 18" or something... but his placement and tuning was nearly perfect...

btw, I am confident that my bass solution is still underoptimized... I just have not had the time to put in the 20 hours of work necessary to align the subs in both phase, time and frequencies with the mains wrt the seating position. The results of such tuning can have huge benefits... I just wish I had the time or could find the expert to do it for me.

Helene's TRW is going in late March. I explained to Bruce that the Premium Silver AVP-1hd cutts off at 5 hertz. He said not to sweat it, not to be surprised if it goes down to dc.

Peter, my Lexi MC12B doesn't appear to cut off at all, though hopefully it does cut off pure DC. I like your sig btw... funn.

Not to me they don't... Mark you know that it's not about having output at 8-10dB, it's about having ENOUGH output at 8-10dB ... I want to mumble something about Fletcher Munson curves that I don't really know in detail, but intuitively it sounds right... the ear is increasingly insensitive as freq dives below 20Hz. So you need >100 to 110dB to feel it... this is backed up by our testing. And the cones just can't move nearly as much air as a fan. Seems obvious at face value.

As much air? No. Plenty of air to deliver 100-110dB @ the listening position with single digit THD? Absolutely. Greater SPL is just a matter of stepping up in the combination of size, power and cost. Art & thebland recently heard such a system I did, and that one was done on a rather tight budget.

An important factor that most overlook is while the TRW doesn't significantly increase observed VLF output in smaller spaces, the more sealed up, isolated, and smaller the space, the more a conventional woofer benefits in required work at the lowest frequencies. I'm not saying the TRW doesn't have advantages, especially in large spaces, I'm saying it isn't the only option to get to 8-12Hz at useful levels. While most consider such options huge, they can still be smaller than a Wilson XS. ;)

Mark, that doesn't seem intuitive though. A fan spinning at 700 RPM with a large pitch displacement... we can see how that moves alot of air. I sit in front of my (admittedly low excursion) 18" XS drivers, and I feel little comparatively.
Getting 110dB out of a cone woofer? How large was that room??? Were you in some hugely resonant seating position?

OB, this question came up in another thread here.

What are you using for a HDMI switcher, or a video processor/scaler if you are using one of those???

No switcher other than I suppose my Lexicon MC12HDB. HDMI from my cable box into the Lexicon as well asHDMI from BD DVD into the Lexicon. Then single HDMI from Lexicon into the C3X 1080. Works perfectly

I am so looking forward to it. Bruce is extremely busy nowadays so it is taking off. Glad you like the sig. (self appointed curator, but curator nonetheless :D )

These are the underchair manifold vents lined with pirelli rubber flooring.(before carpet trim)

http://cineramax.com/CES_2008/Helene-006.jpg

sweet... keep us informed as the project moves along. At least I am interested in how you will install the fan...

sweet... keep us informed as the project moves along. At least I am interested in how you will install the fan...

Tzucc

I know the TRW is where you guys are at. Next BAAS at my house for some vindication

sounds good OB .... looking forward to it!!!

That doesn't mean that a TRW-less room sucks...
tzucc,

Let's see if some logic works here. The TRW blows...

Therefore, can't we logically conclude that a room without a TRW
has to suck? :D

We BAAS members will need to find a day in the near future and have a get together and welcome Tzucc back to the ranks. If memory serves me he also had doubts how an 18wpc amp (Lamm ML 2.1) could drive my X-2's and make great music

thank you kindly. Yes I never did get to experience the LAMM lamps drive the X2s... another good reason to stop over.

btw, I just dread the process of selling the Dogs and XS.... building an XS crate, moving people to carry the stuff out.... sheesh.

thank you kindly. Yes I never did get to experience the LAMM lamps drive the X2s... another good reason to stop over.

btw, I just dread the process of selling the Dogs and XS.... building an XS crate, moving people to carry the stuff out.... sheesh.

FWIW

It cost me more to move the XS from my AV room down the circular staircase 17 steps than it cost to move it from my house to the east coast

yeah... and I don't have the crate for it... so somebody has to make one of those... that's one big problem with this hobby.... the unwieldy sheer bulk of the stuff.

yeah... and I don't have the crate for it... so somebody has to make one of those... that's one big problem with this hobby.... the unwieldy sheer bulk of the stuff.

fortunately I keep all of my crates for that very reason. I rent a SafKeep storage area 2 miles from my house. I had to rent a U-Haul to get it back to my house and then hired 3 safe movers. Piano movers and moving companies didn't want to have anything to do with it. All told it cost me $(with the U-haul) $900 to get it down the stairs and crated up. Freight company charged $600 to move it back to the East Coast

Maybe you guys could take a few tips from this guy:

http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks

I have managed to keep my system modular enough to carry each piece myself, easily with a hand truck, but it terrifies me every time I really have to go in and do something because there is always a tendency for something to mysteriously or not so mysteriously break.

btw, I just dread the process of selling the Dogs and XS.... building an XS crate, moving people to carry the stuff out.... sheesh.

Tzucc, I'd like to know the reason why you think you have to sell your Watch Dogs and XS subwoofer.

Because gotham city doesn't allow dogs.

Bacause Maybe... JUST Maybe... A trw, an XS, two Watch Dogs and two Gothams might be a tad too much.

And there would be no room down there in the BASSment for people.

Bacause Maybe... JUST Maybe... A trw, an XS, two Watch Dogs and two Gothams might be a tad too much.

And there would be no room down there in the BASSment for people.

He has 2 TRW's...no?

I am just wanting to rotate in some newer subwoofer technology and I think what the Gotham provides in terms of control will really help out.

As much air? No. Plenty of air to deliver 100-110dB @ the listening position with single digit THD? Absolutely. Greater SPL is just a matter of stepping up in the combination of size, power and cost. Art & thebland recently heard such a system I did, and that one was done on a rather tight budget.



If we are referring to Iai's meet it was indeed extremely impressive. The inflation of my pants in bursts during gun shots was just over the top. At that get together the thing that was missing was the midrange power with his other speakers.

Art

If we are referring to Iai's meet it was indeed extremely impressive. The inflation of my pants in bursts during gun shots was just over the top. At that get together the thing that was missing was the midrange power with his other speakers.

Art


The gun fight in Open Range sounds pretty intimidating with these 2 Gothams

Last night my wife and I watched Michael Clayton and much of the Original Score has very low bass rumble, so much so that my room was reverberating to the point that my wife was very distracted by it.

The gun fight in Open Range sounds pretty intimidating with these 2 Gothams

Last night my wife and I watched Michael Clayton and much of the Original Score has very low bass rumble, so much so that my room was reverberating to the point that my wife was very distracted by it.

Fine speakers ! Perhaps one of the most impressive LFE demos in my life was the three Gothams and two Fathoms at the CEDIA JL Audio demo .Yes, that is a great movie for gun blasts. Actually Mark had a demo going in Itai's listening room with one of his smaller units and they had Open Range running in there but this was ,I think ,Tatalouille in his theater where I got some of my anatomy juggled around a few times.

Art

Tony,

Maybe OB can get us a really great deal from his guys back east if we order 4!!!! By the way the X-2s, really, really, really (can I say really one more time) sound hugely better in my crappy room. They may not make as big of a difference in your awesome digs, but in my multipurpose "ballroom" the difference is night and day. The room is about 1600 square feet, odd shaped with lots of hard surfaces. It was much easier to sort out and the bass extension is so much more satisfying. Whereas the X-1s really could use the dawgs to fill in between the XS and the TRWs the Alexandrias get there on their own. For the size I never was fulfilled with the GrandSlamm bottom end. I believe the Series V upgrade only swaps out the midrange and the tweets. So although the imaging may improve with the upgrade, I think you may be left with more of a MAXX2 sound. The Alexandrias are truly much more full range, absolutely top to bottom my favorite speaker (especiallly now they're in my house). I would have argued with you against Steve prior, but now it is without question an undisputed fact IMO that you should swap them out, rather than upgrade. Seems like a great opportunity if the XS is on the way out that the X1s would be a piece of cake to go at the same time. I'm sure the mover's would give you a deal. But you are so right what a pain in the butt. My X-1s are still in the room awaiting a trip to Hong Kong, as I haven't had a time to go get my crates out of my storage at my rental property (otherwise known as the audiogarage). Big equipment means big headaches!

Cheers,

Edward

Tony,

Maybe OB can get us a really great deal from his guys back east if we order 4!!!! By the way the X-2s, really, really, really (can I say really one more time) sound hugely better in my crappy room. They may not make as big of a difference in your awesome digs, but in my multipurpose "ballroom" the difference is night and day. The room is about 1600 square feet, odd shaped with lots of hard surfaces. It was much easier to sort out and the bass extension is so much more satisfying. Whereas the X-1s really could use the dawgs to fill in between the XS and the TRWs the Alexandrias get there on their own. For the size I never was fulfilled with the GrandSlamm bottom end. I believe the Series V upgrade only swaps out the midrange and the tweets. So although the imaging may improve with the upgrade, I think you may be left with more of a MAXX2 sound. The Alexandrias are truly much more full range, absolutely top to bottom my favorite speaker (especiallly now they're in my house). I would have argued with you against Steve prior, but now it is without question an undisputed fact IMO that you should swap them out, rather than upgrade. Seems like a great opportunity if the XS is on the way out that the X1s would be a piece of cake to go at the same time. I'm sure the mover's would give you a deal. But you are so right what a pain in the butt. My X-1s are still in the room awaiting a trip to Hong Kong, as I haven't had a time to go get my crates out of my storage at my rental property (otherwise known as the audiogarage). Big equipment means big headaches!

Cheers,

Edward

Edward

good to see that finally after all of these years you took my advice and sold those X-1's. I have been saying the same thing to Tzucc for at least 3 years. Now the next thing I am going to tell you is to get rid of those solid state amps and go tubes like I have recommended. Tzucc has still to hear my Lamm ML 2.1's driving the X-2's and at 18 wpc you won't hear any finer music EXCEPT with Vladimir's new flagship ML3 Reference which we have on loan. I have said here repeatedly that IMO there isn't a finer amp in the planet BUT at $139K it is what dreams are made of. You need to get over here and hear both amps Edward. You have made the plunge with great speakers and now you need to change your amps and preamps

Maybe you guys could take a few tips from this guy:

http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks

I have managed to keep my system modular enough to carry each piece myself, easily with a hand truck, but it terrifies me every time I really have to go in and do something because there is always a tendency for something to mysteriously or not so mysteriously break.

this is truly fantastic. i believe this guy is no fluke. morbius, where are you? you have provided the science for so many threads, that i could really use you on this one!

My main question for those that get so uptight and upset at what someone else posts is: Why do you let it bother you? Are they insulting your mom? Are they insulting your family(well, in the case of ob and Wilson Audio they might be :D )?

Control your emotions and don't let it bother you.


the irritating thing for me is that people such as you and John always seem to have so much to say here in this so called Ultra High End Forum when by your own admission you have never owned equipment here that puts you in a position of authority. Perhaps arrogant on my part but I am not about to be preached to by John about equipment I own that he hasn't got a clue about and has never even heard. Similar arguments could be said about you.

We'll make sure we get one with a JVC RS2 so the light is dim ;)

:D

Good one.

+1

I think his room likes nice. :)

--Regards,

looking good, OB!

Let me know when the next BAAS meet comes up.


Wilson

It feels like a monkey sh*t fight is about to break out.

I think I lack the dignity and self respect needed to not join in. :D

It feels like a monkey sh*t fight is about to break out.

I think I lack the dignity and self respect needed to not join in. :D

Good that you are too much the gentleman (would that I were). IMO it is the opinions of people like you who instill true passion here to we others who frequent the Ultra High End Forum. Your advice to me personally in the construction of my HT was especially valued.

One of the great things about this hobby, be it audio or video, for me was the development of wonderful and long lasting friendships. To that end several years ago when there was such a dichotomy of sentiment here on AVS was to meet one Saturday afternoon at my house for a listening session. Out of that came the BAAS which continues to meet and share the knowledge with one another. Our membership has grown to include people not only from the SF Bay area but all over the state as well the country and world. For that alone I would never give up anything. However to include the likes of you John at any of our meets is not anything that ever enters my mind.

I feel honored by the exclusion. My friendships don't revolve around material possession or the need to feel good about them.


John...you don't have any friends. Those that you do are none other than those furry feline and canine species that you call pets. ;)

John...you don't have any friends. Those that you do are none other than those furry feline and canine species that you call pets. ;)


OB, you might find that if you invite John over for a BAAS meet, that in person he's really a nice guy and totally not in character with his web AVS persona. You never know.

Then after you get Alimental over and become friends, you can invite ValhallaPC next with his headphones, ERS paper and stuff. Mebbe he'll fly all the way over from Sweden just for the privilege of attending a BAAS meeting!!!@@@

OB, you might find that if you invite John over for a BAAS meet, that in person he's really a nice guy and totally not in character with his web AVS persona. You never know.

People usually are different in person than their online personas, for sure.

Then after you get Alimental over and become friends, you can invite ValhallaPC next with his headphones, ERS paper and stuff. Mebbe he'll fly all the way over from Sweden just for the privilege of attending a BAAS meeting!!!@@@

ValhallaPC: "I just flew in from Sweden, and boy are my arms tired!"

Does this remind us of anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nCKYEM8qRc&feature=related

Some funny stuff in there.:) Gets funnier as it goes

Does this remind us of anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nCKYEM8qRc&feature=related


:)

Not me. I'm at the office. My wife's at home watching it. I bet all the screens are Stewart's.

That being the biggest starglass ever.

Holy smokes,

This is what makes internet forums so delicious. Three pages of nonsense, since I last visited all about nothing that has anything to do with the original thread. Can you guys take your personal attacks elsewhere? Freaking ridiculous and a major waste of time. Especially from you people who are here only to bash on us who are passionate about what we believe in to open the wallets to pay for it. It's not a playground for who don't want to play or jealous that they can't and just want to yell over the fence......

Out

The fact that you have to ask that is even more interesting. The tone was not about the equipment at all.

1) This is oneobgyn's thread about his new equipment and theater space so $hitting on it is in bad form no matter how you cut it

2) the comment was about opinions expressed and diminished them not the equipment.

These would be offensive to anyone with a modicum of social skills.

Art

+1

Those folks might be able to afford a zero chip projector. you know an old CRT.

Well ..happy that the thread has been sanitized and we can get back to discussing the topic.
Too bad twothbeaves post was also removed because IMO it fell to the very heart of why flames like this get started...

"Holy smokes,

This is what makes internet forums so delicious. Three pages of nonsense, since
I last visited all about nothing that has anything to do with the original
thread. Can you guys take your personal attacks elsewhere? Freaking ridiculous
and a major waste of time. Especially from you people who are here only to bash
on us who are passionate about what we believe in to open the wallets to pay for
it. It's not a playground for who don't want to play or jealous that they can't
and just want to yell over the fence"

Hopefully the mod will leave his post intact because IMO in a very proper way he has rooted out the very cause as to why this thread spiraled downhill

Thanks to fellow BAAS member ELS kind comments. It was a great afternoon except that the Pats lost.
16 of us did get together to watch the game, followed by some music and then to watch some movie clips to demo the system. As els said the house shook from those Gothams

Here is a link to my Audiogon site with some newer photos

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vaslt&1049587927&read&3&4&5

My son who is a film major took the photos using both flash and existing light, hence some of the shadows will be seen, In darkness however the screen comes alive and appears almost 3 dimensional. In spite of my white walls and very light beige carpet the image remains excellent perhaps related to the ASC soundpanels on the front wall and the many tube traps lining the side and rear walls.

My son took 30 in all and if anyone wants to see them, send me your e-mail address and I will forward them
Wonderful !
How do you use the MC12 and the ref 3 at the same time.Do the Ref 3 goes threw the MC12 for the front speakers ?

Wonderful !
How do you use the MC12 and the ref 3 at the same time.Do the Ref 3 goes threw the MC12 for the front speakers ?


The Ref3 is an absolutely superb preamp and for me the best pre that I have ever owned. I am still an audiophile at heart and therefore the MC12 is used only in the video side of things.

Here is a link to my sight on Audiogon which tells what I have done and how I integrated the two systems

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vaslt&1049587927&openflup&524&4#524

FWIW, I deleted all my undeleted posts out of respect for 'the thread'. However, I do believe Bhagi's comments should be taken to heart. If you can't absorb a little ribbing, you're taking things WAY too seriously as usual. And if you can't take absorb a little ribbing because it's me, you are hurting yourself with a desperate need to hold grudges over nonsense. It takes two to cause a thread to degenerate and I don't hold grudges over posts.

Do you feel that this added something ? Your tone is egocentric and condescending again.I removed my offensive posts but it was really your problem.I removed my posts for respect for the thread but not the people in it. Look instead at your communication and posting style rather than criticizing us for taking it wrong. Your "ribbing" is inappropriate and you continue it even when you see those it is aimed at telling you so. This is a function of a guy who feels his dishing out $hit all the time is some how witty or cute but it is not.

The number of plus ones in this thread, I think ,proves this rather dramatically.Of course, we all could be wrong and you right about how your communication comes across but if I were you I'd look in the mirror.

Art

Do you feel your posted added something? The difference between me and you folks is that if someone makes a joke, even at my expense, I laugh along with it because my ego is secure. Even when OB or Greg do it. It's the lack of sense of humor and true self worth around here that is the problem, not me. Now, if you don't mind, I have to get ready for my date with Bhagi, we're going to watch a movie with an RS2 and some candles to try to boost the light output ;)

I believe it added a lot ,it described the root cause of the thread deterioration.Both you and Bhagi should see if you can find your lost copy of Dale Carnegie.

Your post further demonstrated my point. You are fine, you can say almost anything ,if we take offense it must be us.:rolleyes: My 10 year old does this ,he has not developed social skills, so if he says something that he sees gets a negative reaction he says"just kidding"

Art

Poor OB. His thread has deteriorated just like many of mine do. Welcome to the AVS Deteriorating Club.

Man, what a difference a weekend makes. I truly enjoyed this thread and getting a glimpse of a home theater that is beyond my capabilities currently. Oneobgyn, you have a remarkable setup and I am confident that it brings you much joy; sorry to see what this thread has "evolved" into.

I feel quite fortunate that I have put myself into a position where at 28 years young I have a system totaling well over the required $20,000 and often times I receieve insight from this area as to what else I should be looking at next. But it is hard for me to believe people will continue to open up their homes and share personal pictures if this is the end result.

Mod note

Disappointed in you guys: I expected more from members here

I am asking some by infraction or PM to leave the thread: that means don't post in this thread again if/when it reopens

Thanks !:)

Art

Ditto

so when is the OB BAAS meeting....?? My weekends are filling up fast from here to summer...

OB's next car: see http://www.snotr.com/video/568 (one very cool - and fast - ride)

so when is the OB BAAS meeting....?? My weekends are filling up fast from here to summer...

We still have the ML3 Reference on loan at grellberg's. He just got his speakers back from Rockport Technologies. I am hoping to have a back to back (my house and his in the next few weeks). I leave for Costa Rica March 22 for 10 days so I am hoping to do it before then. We will have the ML3's at both houses and will be able to A/B the ML 2.1 and ML 3 at my house. I will speak to grellberg this afternoon

OB's next car: see http://www.snotr.com/video/568 (one very cool - and fast - ride)

that is an incredible car...at my age however I prefer the ML3

I've seen Ralph Lauren driving his Bugatti Veyron around my area before. I got a close-up look at it one day (I parked next to it near Starbucks in New Canaan CT). Pretty cool looking car. It was a little embarrassing to realize Ralph Lauren and his wife were sitting in it the whole time I was checking it out... :o

We still have the ML3 Reference on loan at grellberg's. He just got his speakers back from Rockport Technologies. I am hoping to have a back to back (my house and his in the next few weeks). I leave for Costa Rica March 22 for 10 days so I am hoping to do it before then. We will have the ML3's at both houses and will be able to A/B the ML 2.1 and ML 3 at my house. I will speak to grellberg this afternoon
OB,

That sounds very nice - I sure would like to hear the ML3s again on grellbergs Rockports.

I'm already booked for March 1 and March 15 [ Expanding Your Horizons Conference ]

https://eyh.llnl.gov/tveyh/

OB,

That sounds very nice - I sure would like to hear the ML3s again on grellbergs Rockports.

I'm already booked for March 1 and March 15 [ Expanding Your Horizons Conference ]

https://eyh.llnl.gov/tveyh/

Thanks Greg

As soon as I can get a date that works for me and grellberg I will be in touch with all BAAS members (including Tzucc) who will be our member of honor that day

We still have the ML3 Reference on loan at grellberg's. He just got his speakers back from Rockport Technologies. I am hoping to have a back to back (my house and his in the next few weeks). I leave for Costa Rica March 22 for 10 days so I am hoping to do it before then. We will have the ML3's at both houses and will be able to A/B the ML 2.1 and ML 3 at my house. I will speak to grellberg this afternoon

Oh yeah, count me in. This is a chance of a lifetime to hear the ML3. Everyone that can make it should be there. I've never heard another amp like this.

Oh yeah, count me in. This is a chance of a lifetime to hear the ML3. Everyone that can make it should be there. I've never heard another amp like this.


It's going to be difficult to send those amps back

:cool::D:eek:
Don't send those amps back!! All those baby deliveries demand that you admit, YOU DESERVE those amps!!:p

:cool::D:eek:
Don't send those amps back!! All those baby deliveries demand that you admit, YOU DESERVE those amps!!:p


Mark...you remain the biggest member of my peanut gallery. Cowabunga Buffalo Bob

Mark...you remain the biggest member of my peanut gallery. Cowabunga Buffalo Bob

;) Steve, you know you will have to blame it on the forum, so I'm starting keep the Lamm surge!

;) Steve, you know you will have to blame it on the forum, so I'm starting keep the Lamm surge!


Mark....not sure if you are an audiophile or just a videophile BUT if the former I wish you could be present for our next BAAS meeting. I don't want to talk in hyperbole for fear this thread will again be taken over by the usual suspects but in all honesty in my 34+ years in this hobby I have never heard an amp that recreates music in such a lifelike three dimension fashion as the ML3

Hi Steve,
I would be more towards the audiophile side, with my Spectral/Avalon system for HT and MBL reference for Living room. I wonder what are the differences in construction between the Lamm amps that allows the ML3 to rule over the 2.1's? Power supplies? Caps? Different topologies?

Hi Steve,
I would be more towards the audiophile side, with my Spectral/Avalon system for HT and MBL reference for Living room. I wonder what are the differences in construction between the Lamm amps that allows the ML3 to rule over the 2.1's? Power supplies? Caps? Different topologies?


probably all of the above. Separate power supplies that are tube regulated


http://www.lammindustries.com/PRODUCTS/ML3spec.html

http://www.lammindustries.com/PRODUCTS/ML21spec.html

Thanks.

OB: I had just ordered my 10 foot 2.35 screen when a friend asked if I had thought about whether the folks sitting on the outside seats would have an unobstructed view of the screen. My speakers are Dunlavy's so, like your Wilsons, will sit out into the room. I think you said your room was 17 feet wide if I remember correctly (mine is 17.5 feet wide). However, it looks like you only have one seat in the normal position and the screen on the Audiogon thread looks smaller than 10 feet wide.

I would appreciate your feedback on if you have had any issues with being able to see the whole screen from all seats.

Anyone else, please chime in as well.

(My theater is not complete, hence the speakers are not in place so I don't yet know how much space I will have. Maybe I need to wait until everything is in place before I actually order my screen - and stop the existing order !!!)

Mark....not sure if you are an audiophile or just a videophile BUT if the former I wish you could be present for our next BAAS meeting. I don't want to talk in hyperbole for fear this thread will again be taken over by the usual suspects but in all honesty in my 34+ years in this hobby I have never heard an amp that recreates music in such a lifelike three dimension fashion as the ML3

OB is not exaggerating. I agree completely and I have 37 years in this hobby.....but I'm still younger than Steve:D

OB: I had just ordered my 10 foot 2.35 screen when a friend asked if I had thought about whether the folks sitting on the outside seats would have an unobstructed view of the screen. My speakers are Dunlavy's so, like your Wilsons, will sit out into the room. I think you said your room was 17 feet wide if I remember correctly (mine is 17.5 feet wide). However, it looks like you only have one seat in the normal position and the screen on the Audiogon thread looks smaller than 10 feet wide.

I would appreciate your feedback on if you have had any issues with being able to see the whole screen from all seats.

Anyone else, please chime in as well.

(My theater is not complete, hence the speakers are not in place so I don't yet know how much space I will have. Maybe I need to wait until everything is in place before I actually order my screen - and stop the existing order !!!)


My room is also 17.5 feeet wide. The screen is 120 inches wide for 2.35 viewing and masks to 91 inches for 16 x 9 which is probably what you saw on audiogon. I have absolutely no issues seeing the screen from all seats. The single seat up front is for me and 2 channel listening

OB is not exaggerating. I agree completely and I have 37 years in this hobby.....but I'm still younger than Steve:D

don't riub it in as indeed you are