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reisb
02-06-08, 08:55 PM
I have Samsung DLP native 720p (HL-R5667W).

I've been told two different video settings:
Set to 1080i because BD will be 1080p and it's closer to resolution of disc.
Set to 720p because native TV is 720p.

2nd sounds reasonable since it is one less conversion to make on TV side, though I've read posts where people have said check both 720p and 1080i.

Thoughts? People that have tried already?

What about other settings to get best BD pic? leave all set to auto?

ie
Display Settings--
RGB Full Range ( HDMI) Limited or Full?
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super White (HDMI)- Off or On?

BD/DVD Settings--
BD/DVD Video Output- Auto , RGB or Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr

rahzel
02-06-08, 09:07 PM
actually, although its one less conversion for your TV, if you select 720p for blu-ray movies, it will force the ps3 to scale it to 720p, because all blu-ray movies are 1080p. imo, check all the resolutions your TV supports. you probably won't notice much (if any) of a difference either way.
What about other settings to get best BD pic? leave all set to auto?

ie
Display Settings--
RGB Full Range ( HDMI) Limited or Full?
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super White (HDMI)- Off or On?

BD/DVD Settings--
BD/DVD Video Output- Auto , RGB or Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr
does your TV have HDMI, or just DVI? if its DVI only, you have no choice but to output to RGB.

if it does have HDMI:
RGB Full Range - Limited
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr super-white - on
BD/DVD video output - Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr

if you use a home theater setup disc to calibrate your TV, your settings should apply to games as well.

Stangs55
02-06-08, 10:28 PM
Set it to 720p...otherwise it's being converted by your PS3 to 1080i and then to 720p by your TV. If you set it to 720p from the beginning, then you're taking out a step in the conversion process, which should theoretically be better (though I doubt you'd see much of a difference).

The rest of the settings are exactly as rahzel said.

rahzel
02-07-08, 05:12 AM
Set it to 720p...otherwise it's being converted by your PS3 to 1080i and then to 720p by your TV. If you set it to 720p from the beginning, then you're taking out a step in the conversion process, which should theoretically be better (though I doubt you'd see much of a difference).

The rest of the settings are exactly as rahzel said.
like i said earlier, if you set it to 720p, you're forcing the PS3 to scale it 720p. if you set your PS3 to 1080i, it actually won't have to do as much "scaling" to the original content because you're going from 1080p to 1080i. so it really depends on the scaler on your TV. but like we both said, you will see little to no difference either way.

Shape
02-07-08, 07:24 AM
Most TVs suck at de-interlacing 1080i. BD content isn't interlaced in the first place. So keep everything progressive. Use 720p. Interlacing adds a level of complexity to the video processing that not every TV handles with grace.

This goes for games, as well.

reisb
02-07-08, 09:50 AM
Ugh. PotAto vs. Potato. I'm guessing (like you said) I won't see much difference, but I'll try both ways.

TV does have HDMI, so I'll use those settings. Just a little upset since it doesn't appear that BD PQ is that much better on my TV. It could be that my DLP is older and I think contrast ratio was only 1500:1 or something like that. :(

Update:
Still haven't checked with a movie, but setting were already set except
Superwhite: was off, turned on
BD/DVD video output: was automatic, changed to Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr

Don't know if that would make a big difference or not.
Any other settings I should know about?

Shape
02-07-08, 09:56 AM
A lot of older TVs simply convert 1920x1080i/30 to 1920x540p/60 and then squish it horizontally and stretch it vertically to 1280x720p. It is really not ideal because you just don't get the vertical resolution that you should. It works, of course. But it isn't as good as doing a proper de-interlacing algorithm.

reisb
02-07-08, 10:07 AM
And by Older I mean 2-3 years ago.

kbuech
02-18-08, 02:16 PM
actually, although its one less conversion for your TV, if you select 720p for blu-ray movies, it will force the ps3 to scale it to 720p, because all blu-ray movies are 1080p. imo, check all the resolutions your TV supports. you probably won't notice much (if any) of a difference either way.

does your TV have HDMI, or just DVI? if its DVI only, you have no choice but to output to RGB.

if it does have HDMI:
RGB Full Range - Limited
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr super-white - on
BD/DVD video output - Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr

if you use a home theater setup disc to calibrate your TV, your settings should apply to games as well.
Why limited? And why not auto output?

Thanks, Kurt

Chris3G
02-18-08, 03:05 PM
Why limited? And why not auto output?

Thanks, Kurt

For bluray, it doesn't matter what the RGB range is set to if the video output is set to Y Pb/Cb as it won't be outputting RGB. However, the setting will still affect the ps3 menu screen and your games, which are always RGB. The proper setting is dependent on your display.

MPresseau
02-18-08, 03:15 PM
...if you use a home theater setup disc to calibrate your TV, your settings should apply to games as well.

Really? Do you mean a Bluray setup disc, or will a DVD setup disc suffice? I calibrated with the DVD version of Digital Video Essentials and found that the settings were not acceptable for games.

MPresseau
02-18-08, 03:17 PM
Come to think of it, I also used the setup on the Bluray of Ratatouille, and even that wasn't acceptable for games.

rahzel
02-18-08, 03:25 PM
Really? Do you mean a Bluray setup disc, or will a DVD setup disc suffice? I calibrated with the DVD version of Digital Video Essentials and found that the settings were not acceptable for games.
any setup disc will work, doesn't matter if its for blu-ray or DVD.
are you using a PC monitor or a TV with HDMI? if you have TV with HDMI, do you have your settings how i recommended above? (Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr, RGB Limited)

if set like this, your Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr settings should match RGB levels. with that said, it all depends on the game you play, as not all games are made the same (ie some games might be brighter or more saturated than others). but all the games i've played so far look fine. in what way were they "not acceptable for games"?

rahzel
02-18-08, 03:33 PM
Why limited? And why not auto output?

Thanks, Kurt
in most cases, Limited will match Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr levels so you can use the same settings for blu-ray/dvd and games. using full also might clip black detail or cause color banding. some displays (usually PC monitors with DVI) are actually the opposite and you should actually use Full instead of Limited. since DVI doesn't support Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr, you must use RGB for blu-ray and games.

read AVBill's post here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13048267&postcount=183) for a detailed explanation.
also this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13074465&postcount=215) is another good read.

splinters
02-18-08, 03:36 PM
There's a great PS3 FAQ (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=979687)on the BD players forum.

-Splints

MPresseau
02-18-08, 03:44 PM
any setup disc will work, doesn't matter if its for blu-ray or DVD.
are you using a PC monitor or a TV with HDMI? if you have TV with HDMI, do you have your settings how i recommended above? (Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr, RGB Limited)

if set like this, your Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr settings should match RGB levels. with that said, it all depends on the game you play, as not all games are made the same (ie some games might be brighter or more saturated than others). but all the games i've played so far look fine. in what way were they "not acceptable for games"?

I'm using an Epson 1080ub front projector with HDMI. All my settings are like you recommended.

I find that colour and contrast accurate modes for film watching are not vivid enough for games. Games tend to look too dark, and not 'contrasty' enough, they lose much of their 3D qualities. Also, and this is a bit more perplexing, the colours seem to be off and seem to push blue or cyan (I don't have any measuring equipment). I've had to calibrate separately for games to get them to look good.

rahzel
02-18-08, 03:54 PM
well again, not all games are made the same, so it would be a pain in the ass to calibrate for each game. i guess i'm fortunate enough not to have that problem, as again, all the games i've played so far look fine.

the only thing i can recommend is if you can store your settings into different modes (ie standard, movie, night, day etc.) and switch between modes for movies and/or games, then thats what i would do... find some kind of medium for games and calibrate for your movies. but whatever you do, the settings above are recommended (Output Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr, RGB Limited, Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr super-white - on).

kbuech
02-18-08, 04:28 PM
I'm using an Epson 1080ub front projector with HDMI. All my settings are like you recommended.

I find that colour and contrast accurate modes for film watching are not vivid enough for games. Games tend to look too dark, and not 'contrasty' enough, they lose much of their 3D qualities. Also, and this is a bit more perplexing, the colours seem to be off and seem to push blue or cyan (I don't have any measuring equipment). I've had to calibrate separately for games to get them to look good.
Thats my projector too. I find Cinema Day mode works best on the projector for games, and Cinema Night for movies.

MPresseau
02-18-08, 05:28 PM
I have the Home version, and am using Dynamic for games (looks awesome) and Theater Black 1 for movies (looks OK to awesome depending on the source). Those modes are equivalent to your Pro's "Vivid" and "HD", respectively.

Bottom line is that I need drastically different settings for movies and games.

kbuech
02-18-08, 06:14 PM
I have the Home version, and am using Dynamic for games (looks awesome) and Theater Black 1 for movies (looks OK to awesome depending on the source). Those modes are equivalent to your Pro's "Vivid" and "HD", respectively.

Bottom line is that I need drastically different settings for movies and games.
I understand. Terrific projector, huh? But that's for a different forum : D

confidenceman
02-18-08, 06:39 PM
I've been told two different video settings:
Set to 1080i because BD will be 1080p and it's closer to resolution of disc.
Set to 720p because native TV is 720p.

2nd sounds reasonable since it is one less conversion to make on TV side, though I've read posts where people have said check both 720p and 1080i.

Thoughts? People that have tried already?A big reason for some of the conflicting recommendations for ideal output resolution is because when most people say they have a "720p" display, it's actually 768p. For those with a 768p display, scaling happens no matter what, so it can often look better to force 1080i. But I believe DLP displays (like yours) are generally native at 720p, so no need to force 1080i.

stephenju
02-18-08, 10:26 PM
I've been wondering about this "no-scaling when feeding native resolution" theory. Don't all (well, almost) TV display devices overscan? Meaning even when feeding a 720p display a 720p signal, the display still scales the image to achieve overscan.

Unless you adjust the display to zero overscan or 1-to-1 pixel mapping, the image is going to be scaled no matter what. Am I right about this?

To me, interlacing/deinterlacing is way more evil than scaling. :)

Bruce Wayne
06-03-08, 02:54 PM
Maybe this is off topic, I'm not sure. But since we are talking about settings, who has an opinion on the filters in the PS3. Mosquito, noise blocking and the like. Should these be used and if so under what circumstances?