Anyone else notice that all recent commericals for new releases (where a Blu-Ray version is to be offered) now say "...on Blu-Ray Hi-Def..."?

Sounds like Sony (or the BDA) have finally realized that the average joe still does not associate Blu-Ray with high definition. Perhaps this is why pretty much all new commercials I've seen lately now say and show the words, "Blu-Ray Hi-Def".

I think they just want folks to know its High def. Its not a new name or anything just part of the advertizing. As some may not now. May think its a new handheld format like the UMD movie which refuses to die.

Sounds like Sony (or the BDA) have finally realized that the average joe still does not associate Blu-Ray with high definition.I think awareness is increasing but almost all of the advertisements for Blu-ray specifically point out that it is a high definition video format so this isn't something new. Also with a thread title of "So now it's called "Blu-Ray Hi-Def"..." I went into this thread wondering if it would be some kind of anti-Blu-ray rant.

Anyone else notice that all recent commericals for new releases (where a Blu-Ray version is to be offered) now say "...on Blu-Ray Hi-Def..."?

Sounds like Sony (or the BDA) have finally realized that the average joe still does not associate Blu-Ray with high definition. Perhaps this is why pretty much all new commercials I've seen lately now say and show the words, "Blu-Ray Hi-Def".
Wrong, that's used for BR and HD (Hi Def). I've seen a few titles released saying that. It doesn't say Blue Ray Hi Def, it says Blu-Ray and Hi Def.

Furthermore I don't see how this relates to this forum. I vote for lock!

I saw this in a comercial for Gone Baby Gone earlier tonight, I thought it may have been Blu-Ray and Hi Def until seeing it in this commercial

HD DVD has had a natural advantage in its branding, as HD and DVD are self explanatory to a degree to most consumers. Most people with a HDTV can figure out what HD DVD player is by looking at the logo similarity.

A year ago, "Blu-ray" was an unknown consumer concept or brand.

But after saying that, the significant amount of brand advertising by Sony and Disney using phases like "Blu-ray Hi Def" is overcoming that advantage by a very effective brand awareness campaign and the consistent weight of the accumulated Blu-ray advertising. Money spent on Blu-ray advertising during thepast yearhas been significant and consumer awareness has steadily increased.

Co mentioning HD and High Def with Blu-ray is becoming more and more effective and is is beginning to make consumer awareness inroads to more mainstream consumers.

The Disney spots and the HD cable Blu-ray mentions have been well placed since early October and nicely targeted on HD stations.

Anyone else notice that all recent commericals for new releases (where a Blu-Ray version is to be offered) now say "...on Blu-Ray Hi-Def..."?

Sounds like Sony (or the BDA) have finally realized that the average joe still does not associate Blu-Ray with high definition. Perhaps this is why pretty much all new commercials I've seen lately now say and show the words, "Blu-Ray Hi-Def".

I don't think this is anything new, I am pretty sure I heard this first months ago.

HD DVD has had a natural advantage in its branding, as HD and DVD are self explanatory to a degree to most consumers. Most people with a HDTV can figure out what HD DVD player is by looking at the logo similarity.Yet a lot of people think they have an HD DVD player when they don't. They may have something like an HD-DVD player (as in a JVC player that plays HD in WMV format on DVDs), or a DVD player that outputs HD (like those upconverting only players). At least with Blu-ray people are unlikely to think they have a Blu-ray player when they don't. One time when I was in a Wal-Mart I heard a lady working there call another employee over to ask if this one DVD player was an HD DVD player and the other employee started with, "Well, it has HDMI." They eventually figured out that it wouldn't play HD DVD discs with the help of the customer.

Another time I was renting a Blu-ray disc at Hollywood Video and the guy asked if I had a Blu-ray player. I said I did and then mentioned that at least with Blu-ray he could trust my answer when I said I did. I obviously hit on something close to home for him as he agreed and then told me about arguing with one lady for 10 minutes (his words, but probably exaggerated) when she kept telling him that she could play an HD DVD because she had an HDTV and a DVD player.

Basically, while the HD DVD name is self explanatory to some degree, one of their problems is confusion with people thinking other things are HD DVD, when they aren't. For instance, should we really expect casual consumers to know that the following cannot play Toshiba's HD DVD discs (obviously not counting the DVD side of combos that any DVD player can play):

JVC PRO - ProHD DVD Player (http://www.compumusic.com/p215522.htm)

LG DN191H Upconverting HD DVD Player with HDMI (http://laflatscreens.com/lgdnuphddvdp.html)

These studies showing how many people are planning on buying HD DVD players are kind of like somebody coming out with a new product called, "Bottled-Water", then asking people whether they are planning on buying Bottled-Water and making claims about how much the company is going to sell based on those studies, when many people are unaware that it is even a brand name and are answering generically, not saying which particular brand or kind of bottled water they are going to buy. So, it should be no wonder that the intentions people give for a generic name like "HD DVD" overstate what actually ended up happening. More people claimed they were going to buy HD DVD players than Blu-ray players in every study I've seen, yet the reality was that even only counting standalones, more people bought Blu-ray players in the latter part of 2007 than HD DVD players according to data Toshiba has provided (where Toshiba progressively claimed less market share after the 60% they claimed around May of 2006).

Adding the Hi-Def phrase to Blu-ray for advertising makes sense to me, since the name Blu-ray already tells people it is different. So, they end up with something that is unlikely to get confused with DVD players that output HD, but still tells people what it is.

--Darin

HD DVD has had a natural advantage in its branding, as HD and DVD are self explanatory to a degree to most consumers. Most people with a HDTV can figure out what HD DVD player is by looking at the logo similarity.

I've only ever seen it as a disadvantage. Most people assume that a DVD on their HDTV is already in HD, and when upscaling players are marketed as "letting you watch your DVDs in near-high definition" (Toshiba commercial) the problem is exacerbated. The problem also applies in reverse, where people buy HD DVDs only to realize that their SD DVD player won't play them. You're more likely to anger the consumer and the retailer with a return than you are to get them to go out and buy an HD DVD player to fix their mistake.

A customer obviously knows that they don't have a Blu-ray player when looking for movies, and just like VHS->DVD, they know that new technology comes with a new name.

Yet a lot of people think they have an HD DVD player when they don't. They may have something like an HD-DVD player (as in a JVC player that plays HD in WMV format on DVDs), or a DVD player that outputs HD (like those upconverting only players). At least with Blu-ray people are unlikely to think they have a Blu-ray player when they don't. One time when I was in a Wal-Mart I heard a lady working there call another employee over to ask if this one DVD player was an HD DVD player and the other employee started with, "Well, it has HDMI." They eventually figured out that it wouldn't play HD DVD discs with the help of the customer.

Another time I was renting a Blu-ray disc at Hollywood Video and the guy asked if I had a Blu-ray player. I said I did and then mentioned that at least with Blu-ray he could trust my answer when I said I did. I obviously hit on something close to home for him as he agreed and then told me about arguing with one lady for 10 minutes (his words, but probably exaggerated) when she kept telling him that she could play an HD DVD because she had an HDTV and a DVD player.

Basically, while the HD DVD name is self explanatory to some degree, one of their problems is confusion with people thinking other things are HD DVD, when they aren't. For instance, should we really expect casual consumers to know whether the following can play HD DVD discs?

JVC PRO - ProHD DVD Player (http://www.compumusic.com/p215522.htm)

--Darin

yup...i remember reading a survey where people who thought they had HD-DVD because their DVD player was connected to an HDTV. When asked what their favorite HD DVD movies were, their responses were titles that were not available on HD DVD.

The large amount of advertising expenditures is creating a brand awareness for Blu-ray in more and more consumers minds.

In consumer advertising you can express and link only a few concepts to a brand phrase at a time. When Blu-ray started advertising early last year, it was missing that component. By adding "High Def' or "High Definition" after Blu-ray the BDA Sony and Disney have started linking those concepts to the "Blu-ray Disc" brand identity.

Its just taken a lot of money and will take a lot more, but Disney and Sony and maybe now Fox and Warner, and some CE companies will spend that amount on Blu-ray brand awareness. Expect for the studios to spend more now and after Sep for the Blu-ray CE companies to spend more as the hardware sales season picks up.

Anyone else notice that all recent commericals for new releases (where a Blu-Ray version is to be offered) now say "...on Blu-Ray Hi-Def..."?

Sounds like Sony (or the BDA) have finally realized that the average joe still does not associate Blu-Ray with high definition. Perhaps this is why pretty much all new commercials I've seen lately now say and show the words, "Blu-Ray Hi-Def".
yes, its been that way for a while now. as others have said, they are just being more careful, and explaining to the masses.
What I really found disturbing, was the commercial for The Brave One-" Available on DVD, Blu-ray Hidef, and On Demand." I've never seen a studio advertise On Demand before.
J

yes, its been that way for a while now. as others have said, they are just being more careful, and explaining to the masses.
What I really found disturbing, was the commercial for The Brave One-" Available on DVD, Blu-ray Hidef, and On Demand." I've never seen a studio advertise On Demand before.J
Yes, that is a twist. The progression has been Theatre--DVD/rental house------cable.
I'm thinking either cable is not getting they profit they think they are entitled
to so they ponied up with more funds or as they do w/ movies these days, they run them on many screens every 20 minutes before the word gets out that they stink.

...In consumer advertising you can express and link only a few concepts to a brand phrase at a time. When Blu-ray started advertising early last year, it was missing that component. By adding "High Def' or "High Definition" after Blu-ray the BDA Sony and Disney have started linking those concepts to the "Blu-ray Disc" brand identity...

Exactly. That's also my assessment for this recent & slight shift in their marketing strategy.

Anyone else notice that all recent commericals for new releases (where a Blu-Ray version is to be offered) now say "...on Blu-Ray Hi-Def..."?

Sounds like Sony (or the BDA) have finally realized that the average joe still does not associate Blu-Ray with high definition. Perhaps this is why pretty much all new commercials I've seen lately now say and show the words, "Blu-Ray Hi-Def".
Not sure what you mean by "recent" but they have been saying "Available on Blu-ray Hi Definition" on new Day and Date releases since the end of Summer 2007.
I've see them all the time on MTV-HD, DiscoveryHD and UniversalHD for a while now.

Yet a lot of people think they have an HD DVD player when they don't. They may have something like an HD-DVD player (as in a JVC player that plays HD in WMV format on DVDs), or a DVD player that outputs HD (like those upconverting only players). At least with Blu-ray people are unlikely to think they have a Blu-ray player when they don't. One time when I was in a Wal-Mart I heard a lady working there call another employee over to ask if this one DVD player was an HD DVD player and the other employee started with, "Well, it has HDMI." They eventually figured out that it wouldn't play HD DVD discs with the help of the customer.

Another time I was renting a Blu-ray disc at Hollywood Video and the guy asked if I had a Blu-ray player. I said I did and then mentioned that at least with Blu-ray he could trust my answer when I said I did. I obviously hit on something close to home for him as he agreed and then told me about arguing with one lady for 10 minutes (his words, but probably exaggerated) when she kept telling him that she could play an HD DVD because she had an HDTV and a DVD player.

Basically, while the HD DVD name is self explanatory to some degree, one of their problems is confusion with people thinking other things are HD DVD, when they aren't. For instance, should we really expect casual consumers to know that the following cannot play Toshiba's HD DVD discs (obviously not counting the DVD side of combos that any DVD player can play):

JVC PRO - ProHD DVD Player (http://www.compumusic.com/p215522.htm)

LG DN191H Upconverting HD DVD Player with HDMI (http://laflatscreens.com/lgdnuphddvdp.html)

These studies showing how many people are planning on buying HD DVD players are kind of like somebody coming out with a new product called, "Bottled-Water", then asking people whether they are planning on buying Bottled-Water and making claims about how much the company is going to sell based on those studies, when many people are unaware that it is even a brand name and are answering generically, not saying which particular brand or kind of bottled water they are going to buy. So, it should be no wonder that the intentions people give for a generic name like "HD DVD" overstate what actually ended up happening. More people claimed they were going to buy HD DVD players than Blu-ray players in every study I've seen, yet the reality was that even only counting standalones, more people bought Blu-ray players in the latter part of 2007 than HD DVD players according to data Toshiba has provided (where Toshiba progressively claimed less market share after the 60% they claimed around May of 2006).

Adding the Hi-Def phrase to Blu-ray for advertising makes sense to me, since the name Blu-ray already tells people it is different. So, they end up with something that is unlikely to get confused with DVD players that output HD, but still tells people what it is.


Great Post. I used to think that HD-DVD was a better name for consumers to understand the concept until I went to the store to pick up my own HD movies and witnessed some of the confusion first hand.

Take this thread for example:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=987125

It turns out he had a "Sony Triniton Wega X32BR250 - Widescreen Version" and thought he was an HDTV, because it was 16:9. And then we later found out his HD-DVD player was just a Toshiba upconverting DVD player thinking that it was upconverting his DVDs to HD-DVD. If you look through the thread you will even see how much his neighbor was able to trick him into paying for an out of date TV because its 'HD'...

Now many people in that thread were getting mad at him saying that it must be a joke maybe from the 'bluboys' and that there was no way that someone can be so misinformed. Well of course it seems easy to understand to most people on this board as we are early adopters and take our time to learn about new technology, whereas average consumers are different. This type of confusion is something I have seen a lot of and goes to show how important it is to educate the average joe about HD formats. Marketing plays a big role and this is where Toshiba falls behind.


My own brother is confused about the whole HD-DVD and Blu-ray concept. He also thinks upconverters make DVD's 'convert' to HD quality. And one time he asked me 'Hey David, would your Blu-ray movies work on a regular DVD player?". After calling him an idiot, I explained to him about the HD formats and hopefully just one more average consumer becomes informed.

Another time I was renting a Blu-ray disc at Hollywood Video and the guy asked if I had a Blu-ray player. I said I did and then mentioned that at least with Blu-ray he could trust my answer when I said I did. I obviously hit on something close to home for him as he agreed and then told me about arguing with one lady for 10 minutes (his words, but probably exaggerated) when she kept telling him that she could play an HD DVD because she had an HDTV and a DVD player.

Basically, while the HD DVD name is self explanatory to some degree, one of their problems is confusion with people thinking other things are HD DVD, when they aren't. For instance, should we really expect casual consumers to know that the following cannot play Toshiba's HD DVD discs (obviously not counting the DVD side of combos that any DVD player can play)

Man, I would HATE to be in the marketing department of either group as they are just now getting to the hard part.

No matter if we're blu, red or purple, AVS'ers know what's required to get the most out of our purchase. The common shopper hasn't got a clue and only about half of them are probably willing to listen & learn.

Wrong, that's used for BR and HD (Hi Def). I've seen a few titles released saying that. It doesn't say Blue Ray Hi Def, it says Blu-Ray and Hi Def.



It doesn't say Blu Ray and Hi Def ,the commercial all say on DVD and Blu Ray Hi Def.

Art

The last two commercials I saw actually mention Blu ray first. "own it on blu-ray hi-def and dvd"

I've never seen a studio advertise On Demand before.

You know, I've noticed that too! For example, DirecTV is carrying PPVs of The Brave One and 3:10 to Yuma pretty much right at the same time as the DVD got released.

Sorry for going off topic.

Ok, I just saw the commercial for "The Assassination of Jesse James" while watching CSI. It did say "Blu-ray Hi Def and DVD". HOWEVER it also showed cover cases for HD, BR, and DVD versions of the movie. In other words the term "Blu-Ray Hi-Def" is not about BR only. This thread is really trivial and turning into BR partisan thread, another vote to lock

Thread title changed. Off topic and trolling posts have been removed.

Ok, I just saw the commercial for "The Assassination of Jesse James" while watching CSI. It did say "Blu-ray Hi Def and DVD". HOWEVER it also showed cover cases for HD, BR, and DVD versions of the movie. In other words the term "Blu-Ray Hi-Def" is not about BR only. This thread is really trivial and turning into BR partisan thread, another vote to lock

Sorry, wrong.

Saw commercial today:

We Own the Night, own it on DVD and Blu-ray hi-def.

There is no version of HD DVD on the commercial.

Wow. I go out for a little while to enjoy an awesome day here in Virginia and look what happens. My title gets changed, insults are probably exchanged, posts are deleted... Come on people. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Please keep it civil.

I guess the words Bluray just aren't enough.

Sorry, wrong.

Saw commercial today:

We Own the Night, own it on DVD and Blu-ray hi-def.

There is no version of HD DVD on the commercial.
Wrong and you know it. For "The Brave One and The Assassination of Jesse James" it does list HD/BR and DVD as "Blu-ray Hi Def and DVD" :cool:. Therefore, the point of the OP is dunked. That's why the title of the thread was change :D
Vindicated ;)

Wrong and you know it. For "The Assassination of Jesse James" it does list HD/BR and DVD as "Blu-ray Hi Def and DVD" :cool:. Therefore, the point of the OP is dunked. That's why the title of the thread was change :D
Vindicated ;)Sorry, but it isn't debunked. The same studio (Warner) has an ad for The Brave One on rottentomatoes.com which says:
NOW AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY HI-DEF & DVD
HD DVD AVAILABLE FEBRUARY 26THThey clearly used "BLU-RAY HI-DEF" for the Blu-ray version there, not the combination of the Blu-ray and HD DVD versions. They may have meant the same for Jesse James, especially if they said those are available now, when the HD DVD hasn't hit its official street day yet.

--Darin

Sorry, but it isn't debunked. The same studio (Warner) has an ad for The Brave One on rottentomatoes.com which says:
They clearly used "BLU-RAY HI-DEF" for the Blu-ray version there, not the combination of the Blu-ray and HD DVD versions. They may have meant the same for Jesse James, especially if they said those are available now, when the HD DVD hasn't hit its official street day yet.

--Darin
Please re-read the Title of this thread (changed by the admin/mod). It's clearly debunked and you are creating a mountain out of a mole hill. It's amazing you and other(s) don't address the movie I mentioned :rolleyes:. Your post becomes so obvious. Again, DEBUNKED
Honestly, this is so petty it's not funny. You want to argue with me about a freaking commercial? A commercial that I saw which obviously made it clear as to the intent and usage of the phrase (including both HD and BR). Come on, grow up and put your favoritism aside.

Please re-read the Title of this thread (changed by the admin/mod). It's clearly debunked and you are creating a mountain out of a mole hill. It's amazing you and other(s) don't address the movie I mentioned :rolleyes:. Your post becomes so obvious. Again, DEBUNKED
Honestly, this is so petty it's not funny. You want to argue with me about a freaking commercial? A commercial that I saw which obviously made it clear as to the intent and usage of the phrase (including both HD and BR). Come on, grow up and put your favoritism aside.Somebody needs to grow up. Warner has clearly referred to Blu-ray as "Blu-ray Hi-Def" in the ad for The Brave One. How about telling us exactly what that Jesse James commercial said? Not with the "Blu-ray Hi-Def" part separated from any part before it. Did it say, "Now available ...", "Coming soon ...", or what? Not only has Warner used "Blu-ray Hi-Def" with respect to Blu-ray, but in the past they called out HD DVD by its name, not using "Hi-Def" as a replacement for "HD DVD". And they did the same in the ad for The Brave One I referred to. They use "HD DVD" for "HD DVD" there, not "Hi-Def" for it or "Blu-ray Hi-Def" to mean both.

And what are you claiming my favoritism is toward, since you made the accusation?

I already brought up the issue of possibly meaning what is available now with Jesse James and instead of addressing that issue, you claimed that I didn't address that movie. Please state what you claim has been debunked (while acting like a grown up).

--Darin

Please re-read the Title of this thread (changed by the admin/mod). It's clearly debunked and you are creating a mountain out of a mole hill. It's amazing you and other(s) don't address the movie I mentioned :rolleyes:. Your post becomes so obvious. Again, DEBUNKED
Honestly, this is so petty it's not funny. You want to argue with me about a freaking commercial? A commercial that I saw which obviously made it clear as to the intent and usage of the phrase (including both HD and BR). Come on, grow up and put your favoritism aside.

I am really not sure what you are going for. Numerous posters in this thread have seen the commercials, just because you havent doesnt mean they dont exist.

Why are you so bent that the BDA is now saying Blu-ray hi-def? I don't get it. Look for the We Own the Night commercial. I (and others in this thread including Art) have seen the commercials. *shrug*

Try watching a commercial from an exclusive studio, it clearly says DVD and Blu-ray hi-def.


The last one I saw was on HDnet, during the special Golden Globe "Nothing but Trailers" episode.

I am really not sure what you are going for. Numerous posters in this thread have seen the commercials, just because you havent doesnt mean they dont exist.

Why are you so bent that the BDA is now saying Blu-ray hi-def? I don't get it. Look for the We Own the Night commercial. I (and others in this thread including Art) have seen the commercials. *shrug*

Try watching a commercial from an exclusive studio, it clearly says DVD and Blu-ray hi-def.

Why are you so bent and argumentative towards my findings? You are questioning my finding is why I am defending my posts. I will say it again since you don't want to mention what I've said:
"The Assassination of Jesse James" it does list HD/BR and DVD as "Blu-ray Hi Def and DVD" I was also told that "The Brave One" is also similar in advertisement. Therefore, the term "Blu-Ray Hi-Def" doesn't mean BR only. Other's have said this. You should be astute enough to see this instead of arguing with me regarding my loyalty towards BR when I mention the commercial I saw. Do to this, the OP is Debunked.

OP
Anyone else notice that all recent commericals for new releases (where a Blu-Ray version is to be offered) now say "...on Blu-Ray Hi-Def..."?

Why are you so bent and argumentative towards my findings? You are questioning my finding is why I am defending my posts. I will say it again since you don't want to mention what I've said:
I was also told that "The Brave One" is also similar in advertisement. Therefore, the term "Blu-Ray Hi-Def" doesn't mean BR only. Other's have said this. You should be astute enough to see this instead of arguing with me regarding my loyalty towards BR when I mention the commercial I saw.

Yikes.

Watch some more commercials, then you won't look so foolish. Of course the Jesse James commercial says that, watch some other ones. :)

I will say it again since you don't want to mention what I've said:Are you going to tell us what the whole sentence said?
I was also told that "The Brave One" is also similar in advertisement. Therefore, the term "Blu-Ray Hi-Def" doesn't mean BR only. Which lends credence to you being wrong, since those who go to www.rottentomatoes.com and look at the ad for The Brave One on the right can see that it says:
NOW AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY HI-DEF & DVD
HD DVD AVAILABLE FEBRUARY 26THSo, it uses the same phrase you have told us a Jesse James ad uses ("BLU-RAY HI-DEF"), but the ad for The Brave One is clearly referring to the Blu-ray version there, and not both (since the HD DVD is not supposed to be available until February 26th) and so "NOW AVAILABLE" does not apply to the HD DVD version. I already brought this up once and you basically ignored it while bringing out the "grow up" defense. Is there a reason you haven't told us the full sentence for the Jesse James ad, but claimed that both it and the ad for The Brave One used "Blu-ray Hi-Def" to mean Blu-ray and HD DVD?

Instead of going off on some rant, if you think you are right, then please answer this simple question. Does "BLU-RAY HI-DEF" refer to both Blu-ray and HD DVD in that ad for The Brave One on rottentomatoes.com, in your opinion? Or does it refer to just Blu-ray?

--Darin

Are you going to tell us what the whole sentence said?
Which lends credence to you being wrong, since those who go to www.rottentomatoes.com and look at the ad for The Brave One on the right can see that it says:
So, it uses the same phrase you have told us a Jesse James ad uses ("BLU-RAY HI-DEF"), but the ad for The Brave One is clearly referring to the Blu-ray version there, and not both (since the HD DVD is not supposed to be available until February 26th) and so "NOW AVAILABLE" does not apply to the HD DVD version. I already brought this up once and you basically ignored it while bringing out the "grow up" defense. Is there a reason you haven't told us the full sentence for the Jesse James ad, but claimed that both it and the ad for The Brave One used "Blu-ray Hi-Def" to mean Blu-ray and HD DVD?

Instead of going off on some rant, if you think you are right, then please answer this simple question. Does "BLU-RAY HI-DEF" refer to both Blu-ray and HD DVD in that ad on rottentomatoes.com, in your opinion? Or does it refer to just Blu-ray?

--Darin
You still haven't addressed the commercial I saw regarding the movie in question. You still side track and argue regarding something not subject to why you are responding to my post.
LOL

You still haven't addressed the commercial I saw regarding the movie in quesiton. You still side track and argue regarding something not subject to why you are responding to my post.
LOL

Watch the "We Own the Night" advert. It is a Sony picture, there is no HD DVD release. It says available on DVD and Blu-ray hi-def.

The new BR slogan is Blu-ray hi-def. End of story.

Yikes.

Watch some more commercials, then you won't look so foolish. Of course the Jesse James commercial says that, watch some other ones. :)

Finally an off slant admission to what you and others have been trying to deny. About time:rolleyes:

Watch the "We Own the Night" advert. It is a Sony picture, there is no HD DVD release. It says available on DVD and Blu-ray hi-def.

The new BR slogan is Blu-ray hi-def. End of story.
The fact that the term is used to mention both BR and HD doesn't change the fact. Thus the reason why the admin came in and changed the title of this thread. Debunked :p

Are you going to tell us what the whole sentence said?
Which lends credence to you being wrong, since those who go to www.rottentomatoes.com and look at the ad for The Brave One on the right can see that it says:
So, it uses the same phrase you have told us a Jesse James ad uses ("BLU-RAY HI-DEF"), but the ad for The Brave One is clearly referring to the Blu-ray version there, and not both (since the HD DVD is not supposed to be available until February 26th) and so "NOW AVAILABLE" does not apply to the HD DVD version. I already brought this up once and you basically ignored it while bringing out the "grow up" defense. Is there a reason you haven't told us the full sentence for the Jesse James ad, but claimed that both it and the ad for The Brave One used "Blu-ray Hi-Def" to mean Blu-ray and HD DVD?

Instead of going off on some rant, if you think you are right, then please answer this simple question. Does "BLU-RAY HI-DEF" refer to both Blu-ray and HD DVD in that ad for The Brave One on rottentomatoes.com, in your opinion? Or does it refer to just Blu-ray?

--Darin

Honestly Darin, I think WB says blu-ray hi-def because they are not even mentioning the HD DVD.

They show the picture behind the BR, but all joking aside, I think they are not mentioning the HD DVD.

I think the previous WB commercials (before exclusivity, ie: HP movies) said "now available on DVD, and in high definition on HD DVD and Blu-ray hi-def" Something to that effect anyway.

The fact that the term is used to mention both BR and HD doesn't change the fact. Thus the reason why the admin came in and changed the title of this thread. Debunked :p

There is no HD DVD of We Own the Night.

Seriously, it's no biggie, just watch the commercial.

Finally an off slant admission to what you and others have been trying to deny. About time:rolleyes:

Ummmm, ok?

Again, somebody needs to grow up. If you think you are right about The Brave One, the please answer this:

"Instead of going off on some rant, if you think you are right, then please answer this simple question. Does "BLU-RAY HI-DEF" refer to both Blu-ray and HD DVD in that ad for The Brave One on rottentomatoes.com, in your opinion? Or does it refer to just Blu-ray?"

You seem to want to ignore how that ad for The Brave One clearly uses the phrase you mentioned, but does not support your contention that it means both formats. Is that too hard for you to understand?
I have asked you multiple times to give the full sentence and now a partial sentence from the ad. Like I did with The Brave One. Yet you refuse to post the whole sentence. Why is that? I could post a partial sentence from that ad for The Brave One and make it look like it meant Blu-ray and HD DVD, but that wouldn't make a lot of sense.

Please, provide the whole sentence and stop the ridiculous "You haven't addressed it ..." kind of stuff. Give the full sentence and address the ad for The Brave One I have pointed you to multiple times, and I will address the full sentence from the Jesse James ad. But quit trying to get around providing what the full sentence said.

--Darin
I've already answered your question found in my previous posts. As I've always stated, because the term is used showing DVD cases of BR, HD and DVD doesn't mean that the term is BR only. If you were a bit more sensible about how you comprehend my posts you would have realized that. Based on what I've posted and the information I've posted thus far is pertinent to the topic of this thread which contradicts what you want to rant on about.
:D

Ok, I just saw the commercial for "The Assassination of Jesse James" while watching CSI. It did say "Blu-ray Hi Def and DVD". HOWEVER it also showed cover cases for HD, BR, and DVD versions of the movie. In other words the term "Blu-Ray Hi-Def" is not about BR only. This thread is really trivial and turning into BR partisan thread, another vote to lock

I hate to have to clarify but "Blu-ray Hi def" are mutually exclusive as opposed to "Blu-ray 'and' Hi def". They are branding Blu-ray as hi def and choose not to 'mention' HD DVD, however, they did 'show' the HD DVD cover.

Just goes to show how confused people can really become.

I hate to have to clarify but "Blu-ray Hi def" are mutually exclusive as opposed to "Blu-ray 'and' Hi def". They are branding Blu-ray as hi def and choose not to 'mention' HD DVD, however, they did 'show' the HD DVD cover.

Just goes to show how confused people can really become.
You fail to realize that perception is reality. :D
How one can perceive the commercial can in fact provide another valid interpretation. Which can contradict what they were trying to do. :) (if in fact what you say is true).

I hate to have to clarify but "Blu-ray Hi def" are mutually exclusive as opposed to "Blu-ray 'and' Hi def". They are branding Blu-ray as hi def and choose not to 'mention' HD DVD, however, they did 'show' the HD DVD cover.

Just goes to show how confused people can really become.

+1, thank you.

You fail to realize that perception is reality. :D

I don't believe in a shared reality, and neither should you. ;)

I've already answered your question found in my previous posts. As I've always stated, because the term is used showing DVD cases of BR, HD and DVD doesn't mean that the term is BR only. If you were a bit more sensible about how you comprehend my posts you would have realized that. Based on what I've posted and the information I've posted so far what information is pertinent to the topic of this thread vs what you want to rant on about.
:DI'm starting to get the feeling you don't care about what the truth is and just want to protect your original claim, but here is your chance to show that you care about the truth by answering this and not avoiding it (like you did with questions about the ad for The Brave One). Here is a Warner Brothers page for The Assassination of Jesse James.

http://jessejamesmovie.warnerbros.com/

It states:
BUY IT NOW ON BLU-RAY HI-DEF & DVD
HD DVD AVAILABLE ON 2/26You wouldn't do something as ridiculous as claim that the first line is referring to both Blu-ray and HD DVD where it says, "BLU-RAY HI-DEF", would you?

I think others can clearly see that the "BLU-RAY HI-DEF" refers only to Blu-ray there.

Seriously, are you going to show that you shouldn't be trusted here by claiming that the following is true:
Ok, I just saw the commercial for "The Assassination of Jesse James" while watching CSI. It did say "Blu-ray Hi Def and DVD". HOWEVER it also showed cover cases for HD, BR, and DVD versions of the movie. In other words the term "Blu-Ray Hi-Def" is not about BR only.after looking at that Warner page for Jesse James? That page meets the evidence you gave for it referring to both formats, but clearly doesn't refer to both formats with the "BLU-RAY HI-DEF" part.

Is there anybody else (besides ECH) here who thinks that the Warner page is referring to both Blu-ray and HD DVD when they say that people can buy the "Blu-ray Hi-Def" now? I guess that is kind of rhetorical with that page clearly differentiating the HD DVD as not available yet, though.

--Darin

I'm starting to get the feeling you don't care about what the truth is and just want to protect your original claim, but here is your chance to show that you care about the truth by answering this and not avoiding it (like you did with the ad for The Brave One. Here is a Warner Brothers page for The Assassination of Jesse James.

http://jessejamesmovie.warnerbros.com/

It states:
You wouldn't do something as ridiculous as claim that the first line is referring to both Blu-ray and HD DVD where it says, "BLU-RAY HI-DEF", would you?

I think others can clearly see that the "BLU-RAY HI-DEF" refers only to Blu-ray there.

Seriously, are you going to show that you shouldn't be trusted here by claiming that the following is true:
after looking at that Warner page for Jesse James?

--Darin
Is that the actual commercial in motion? Nah, regardless, I clearly see DVD cases showing DVD, HD and BR when that term is used (as I've said in previous posts). Again debunked, thanks :)

I don't believe in a shared reality, and neither should you. ;)
perception is not always defined by who shares it ;)

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you guys who keep attacking each other should consider leaving these forums