I can justify paying a $1000 premium for the 5020 ($3500 MSRP) over the 5080 ($2500 MSRP), but not any more of a premium. I'm afraid that with the exchange rate issues, the 5020 MSRP will be higher than $3500, but I might not find out until after all the 5080's are gone.

When will the pricing on the 9G's be announced, and will Best Buy still have stock of 5080's then?I received pricing info for the new USA 9Gs today, however I cannot post them as of yet. I will say this regarding prices......the boneheads @ Pioneer NA are still boneheads.

:(

I can justify paying a $1000 premium for the 5020 ($3500 MSRP) over the 5080 ($2500 MSRP), but not any more of a premium. I'm afraid that with the exchange rate issues, the 5020 MSRP will be higher than $3500, but I might not find out until after all the 5080's are gone.

When will the pricing on the 9G's be announced, and will Best Buy still have stock of 5080's then?

If you miss the 5080's consider the deals you can find on the 1150HD.

Very well said and therefore people decide to choose LCD rather than Plasma. LCD has key element is catches people's eyes.

That was my experience when I took my girlfriend to Best Buy. She loved the Sony XBR4 52" instead of the 150 Kuro at 60". She kept pointing out how much more the picture jumped on the Sony.

Unless you come to message boards like these most people see what they see at the store and base their purchases on that.

I received pricing info for the new USA 9Gs today, however I cannot post them as of yet. I will say this regarding prices......the boneheads @ Pioneer USA are still boneheads.

I guess we will see what people will do now. I have not seen these yet.

I received pricing info for the new USA 9Gs today, however I cannot post them as of yet. I will say this regarding prices......the boneheads @ Pioneer USA are still boneheads.

Those Panny 58" and 65" 850U will start to look better and better if that's the case... :rolleyes:

Disappointing, to say the least.

SO the people that are taking advantage of the 1150's are right

5020FD MSRP = $4499.95

111FD MSRP = $5499.95


Yikes! Pioneer 5010 here I come.:rolleyes:

5020FD MSRP = $4499.95Am I correct in assuming this will be ~ 1000$ more than the most expensive Panasonic 50" model?? If so then I'm not surprised.

5020FD MSRP = $4499.95

111FD MSRP = $5499.95

thanks for the information.

I will pass at these prices.
but when they come down... count me in.

you have got to be kidding me. why would the MSRP of the equivalent next-gen model go up $1000?

Hey guys,

I'm from Germany. Well I must say that the Elite Model which is in Germany the 5090H will have a MSRP of about 3500 Euro which are ca. 5500$ and for us Germans is the model this time very cheap. At the moment our 508D aka your current Elite Model costs here about 5200 Euro which are 8150$. The problem actually is that the US-Dollar is very low, so you have to pay so much. This time the new models will be cheaper here because Pioneer doesn't sale much of its plasmas here. There too expensive here so you have a relly big advantage for the current model.

The Elite model 5090H in Europe will have an integrated salite tuner DVB-S + DVB-S2, a DLNA network adapter that you can integrate the plasma in your network and a complete new menu design. The normal 5090 will have the old menu. Also there will be for both models an USB port.


Regards and hoping that my English is not too worse. ;)

That's true.
I was at BB and a Samsung display was next to the Pioneer 60" and the quality was basically the same and the price $2000 cheaper.
Because I come here I know Pio is better, but very few people come here in comparison to the consumer base out there.
That's why if I wasn't aware I would jump on the Samsung.

5020FD MSRP = $4499.95

111FD MSRP = $5499.95

thanks for the information.

I will pass at these prices.
but when they come down... count me in.Your prices are incorrect

[QUOTE=teiring;13548647]Hey guys,

I'm from Germany. Well I must say that the Elite Model which is in Germany the 5090H has got in Germany a MSRP of 3500 Euro which are ca. 5500$ and for us Germans is the model this time very cheap. At the moment our 508D aka your current Elite Model costs here about 5200 Euro which are 8150$. The problem actually is that the US-Dollar is very low, so you have to pay so much. This time the new models will be cheaper here because Pioneer doesn't sale much of its plasmas here. There too expensive here so you have a relly big advantage for the current model.

The Elite model 5090H in Europe will have an integrated salite tuner DVB-S + DVB-S2, a DLNA network adapter that you can integrate the plasma in your network and a complete new menu design. The normal 5090 will have the old menu. Also there will be for both models an USB port.

THANKS FOR THE INFO.

Will the Tuners be in a separate media box, and will it include a hard drive?

Your prices are incorrect

thank god.

5020FD MSRP = $4499.95

111FD MSRP = $5499.95

thanks for the information.

I will pass at these prices.
but when they come down... count me in.

Stop spreading mis-information.

In any case from D-Nice's post is sounds like I'll be going with the 5010 also.

Your prices are incorrect

I think you will be saying this alot untill these prices are released.:)

THANKS FOR THE INFO.

Will the Tuners be in a separate media box, and will it include a hard drive?


I've heard the plasma will have all of its electronic in an extra media box but there are no facts which are saying that. It is also said that they will be thinner. Someone of pioneer should have said to somebody that there will be a hard drive with a plasma which will shown on the IFA in September in Germany. Don't know if its right and also I don't know whether the 5090H is this plasma. It may could be but I really don't have any information about that. This is all speculation.


Regards

I received pricing info for the new USA 9Gs today, however I cannot post them as of yet. I will say this regarding prices......the boneheads @ Pioneer NA are still boneheads.

So Canada will get the shaft and pay over $2000+ premium over the U.S. for
the high end plasma again I assume. I think I've learned from the Pro-150FD
that, even though the picture is amazing, I have to consider the budget as
the #1 contender and stick to it. The more you pay, the higher your expectations,
and if the 9g doesn't have that 5-lumen tech... I'll wait it out. The 150FD
taught me that I truly need a brighter panel during the day. There also needs
to be something better to combat the ambient lights during the day from
making the blacks look greenish grey and washing out the colours.

Thanks for the insight.

I did not say these prices where confirmed.

I simply added $1000 to the price we thought they would be sold at.

so I will delete my post because it looks like it was not a good idea. sorry about that!

Stop spreading mis-information.

In any case from D-Nice's post is sounds like I'll be going with the 5010 also.

A good friend of mine, russwong, posted pricing info on the 9Gs. Let's just say he was correct on the 50" models, but wrong on the 60" models ;)

Now that's all I'm going to say on pricing. I hope no one @ Pioneer is watching this thread.

A good friend of mine, russwong, posted pricing info on the 9Gs. Let's just say he was correct on the 50" models, but wrong on the 60" models ;)

Now that's all I'm going to say on pricing. I hope no one @ Pioneer is watching this thread.

Freakin awesome. lol:p

So, just for arguments sake....the msrp on the 50" is at 4k and the 50" elite is at 5k.....what would street prices be for them? I assume they will be at msrp for the first couple of months.

yeah, being up in Canada sucks. Would love to move back some day.

russwong's posts if interested... (first look three posts up above in the current thread)
russwong had these "non-finalized" 9G elite MSRPs:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13315938#post13315938
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13325607#post13325607

just for arguments sake?

it has been confirmed and you have the correct MSRP.

yes.... the MSRP is $5000 for the 50" 9G Elite PRO-111FD

when they hit a street price of 4 grand or less... then I would buy.

remember... you can get 2 50" Panny 800U"s for this MSRP price.

So, just for arguments sake....the msrp on the 50" is at 4k and the 50" elite is at 5k.....what would street prices be for them? I assume they will be at msrp for the first couple of months.

yeah, being up in Canada sucks. Would love to move back some day.

So, just for arguments sake....the msrp on the 50" is at 4k and the 50" elite is at 5k.....what would street prices be for them? I assume they will be at msrp for the first couple of months.

yeah, being up in Canada sucks. Would love to move back some day.

Going by the latest info, and my personal speculation. I would say D-Nice's original msrp # on the 5020 would be close to the street price we will see. Prices like always will drop over time, its just a question of how quickly or slowly.

I was hoping that Pioneer would make the decision between a 5010 & 5020 easy on me, but with the higher price I will have to justify to myself the added expense.

Yikes! Prices are still a little bit high for me. :(

But I do love to look at the Kuros. :)

Yikes! Prices are still a little bit high for me. :(

But I do love to look at the Kuros. :)

These prices are still way too high. I would love to get the 9G 60" but not at these prices.

We don't know what the prices are for the 60" panels yet, so far it looks like the 5020 will be $1000 less than the 5010 and the 111 will be $1000 less than the 110. That's still a decent price drop.

just for arguments sake?

lol, right after posting it, i thought about editing it and putting a smiley. i was staying in line with D-Nice, and saying the price after searching for russ' post, without actually stating it. :D

You know, I just realized the 9G's are supposedly the last panels that will be
manufactured by pioneer. Being that it's pretty expensive for them to make
the glass, we can't expect amazing prices until next year. Perhaps it truly is
best to wait until the Panasonic panels appear, especially with the ECC and
5-Lumen tech. I mean, if the glass is what's making the panels expensive, and
panasonic supplies similar quality glass at cheaper prices, then next year's
panels should not only be cheaper, but come out sooner. I'm not knocking
the 9G's but when I think about it, I think next year is the big one.

Have you seen this? Maybe not :D

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/press/news/kuroPortfolio.html

You are going to need to be in a pitch black room to fully appreciate the ECC Kuros. The 9Gs are that good.

I already have my test material ready to compare the 8Gs to the 9Gs. I think the 8Gs are going to be in big trouble with this test material.

Have you seen this? Maybe not :D

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/press/news/kuroPortfolio.html

Dang - I was really hoping to see a 75 or 85" model in the mix.

Dang - I was really hoping to see a 75 or 85" model in the mix.

eehhh what do you say about five times better black than 8G ;)

You are going to need to be in a pitch black room to fully appreciate the ECC Kuros. The 9Gs are that good.

I already have my test material ready to compare the 8Gs to the 9Gs. I think the 8Gs are going to be in big trouble with this test material.

Can you give us a little taste of that material?

eehhh what do you say about five times better black than 8G ;)

I say that is great but I already have a 65" TV and I don't want to replace it until I can get something big enough to justify the upgrade.

D-Nice
Sampo will go with 9G :D

I say that is great but I already have a 65" TV and I don't want to replace it until I can get something big enough to justify the upgrade.

Then this one has 100 times better black than your tv. Do you want more reason :D

D-Nice
Sampo will go with 9G :DI heard. Funny as hell.

Ok here is some more info on the 9G Kuros:


Minimum luminance levels in 0.000x ft-l range.
Higher peak brightnes
14-bit panel driving
Official xvYCC support
More info to come......

Pioneer doesn't have a lot of buniess sense it'd seem...Good luck trying to convince anyone outside of enthusiasts to buy these sets (I'll be getting one so chill ont he flaming).

I don't know if it is 100 times better - I use CRT RPTV - which most experts agree have extremely good picture quality and blacks- much better blacks than most Plasmas or LCDs. While the KURO is fantastic - there is no point in getting a smaller TV.

Pioneer doesn't have a lot of buniess sense it'd seem...Good luck trying to convince anyone outside of enthusiasts to buy these sets (I'll be getting one so chill ont he flaming).I Agree. However, I think they only want to sell around 480,000 panels this fiscal year, so that should be able to do that with the MAP pricing......although they need much better advertising compared to the 8G Kuros.

A little bit beside the point, but nice to watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0KMh4VaPFg&feature=related

What were the 8G minimum luminance levels again?


And in case you lived on another planet the last couple of months:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btXiltnvuu0&feature=related

I don't know if it is 100 times better - I use CRT RPTV - which most experts agree have extremely good picture quality and blacks- much better blacks than most Plasmas or LCDs. While the KURO is fantastic - there is no point in getting a smaller TV.

i'm definitely upgrading my current TV soon, but the consensus seems to be that no matter what the best CRT's were a better black/picture than the best Plasma/LCD's are now. how would you compare the picture of this one (that i have) to a plasma?

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KV-27HS420-Trinitron-WEGA-HD-Ready/dp/tech-data/B0002S9G0K

anyone? obviously it only ends up being a 24" picture or so letterboxed.

Minimum luminance levels in 0.000x ft-l range.
:eek: Sold!

Even assuming that's just below 0.001fL, that puts contrast at around 30,000:1 when calibrated to 30fL for white. Now, that still isn't "true" black, but when calibrating my CRTs, I can't go past ~10,000:1 without crushing shadow details/raising gamma too high. It may not be perfect, but unless it's a bigger issue at 50" it's probably good enough to replace them, finally.

Just to double-check, what would you say that a 5080XD was last year? (I measured between 3000 and 3500:1, which would be roughly 0.009fL)

14-bit panel driving
Any idea when they'll make the move to 16-bit? Obviously I haven't seen these yet, but I hear you need 16-bit to have gradations on par with a CRT - certainly 12-bit wasn't enough last year.

Any word on whether the processing is going to be improved over last year's, or will they be using the same as last year to try and keep costs down? The deinterlacing was rather poor with PAL content, and the colour management left a lot to be desired. Finer control over the greyscale/gamma would be nice too.

The Samsung Plasmas had 18 bit in 2007.

and still have 18 bit for 2008.

why is Pioneer's only 14 bit?

The Samsung Plasmas had 18 bit in 2007.

and still have 18 bit for 2008.

why is Pioneer's only 14 bit?
Different scales. Samsung will likely be 6-bit, but tripling the number (R/G/B) whereas Pioneer's 14-bit driver is 42-bit if you want to look at it that way.

great news!!

Can you tell us the 151 price... You know. Let it slip...

i would think $7500

great news!!

Can you tell us the 151 price... You know. Let it slip...

i would think $7500considering D-Nice said the 50" prices were LOWER than yours, and that they were the same as Russwongs, and Russ had the 151 2 grand more than the 50"ers. I'd say that the 151 will be priced at 6000-6500. No way they'll be selling it for the same price as last years. Or at least i hope not. ;)

The Samsung Plasmas had 18 bit in 2007.

and still have 18 bit for 2008.

why is Pioneer's only 14 bit?Not sure about Samsung but regarding Pioneer, some of their recent patents mention 14bit processing. As is usual though, the 14 bits is acheived almost entirely through error diffusion and dithering.

considering D-Nice said the 50" prices were LOWER than yours, and that they were the same as Russwongs, and Russ had the 151 2 grand more than the 50"ers. I'd say that the 151 will be priced at 6000-6500. No way they'll be selling it for the same price as last years. Or at least i hope not. ;)

D-nice said Russwongs MSRP on the 50" models was correct but his MSRP on the 60" ($7000) was off. My best guess would be an MSRP of $6500 for the 151 since I can't imagine Pioneer charging a $2500 premium for 60" models.

The Samsung Plasmas had 18 bit in 2007.

and still have 18 bit for 2008.

why is Pioneer's only 14 bit?Look RobbyTV, your 18-bit Samsung FP-T5884 "only" receives a 7.0 customer satisfication rating :eek:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/fp-t5884-cnet-user-rating.jpg

while my 14-bit PRO-150FD gets a 9.7! :)

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/pro-150fd-cnet-user-rating.jpg

I wasn't wrong... I based the price on D-Nice's reaction.
Saying that: Pioneer USA are boneheads.

I knew about the 5 grand price for the 111fd posted by ruswrong.

so I figured it would be higher than 5 grand.

if it wasn't for me... D-Nice may have not given us the price today... on the 111FD that is.

considering D-Nice said the 50" prices were LOWER than yours, and that they were the same as Russwongs, and Russ had the 151 2 grand more than the 50"ers. I'd say that the 151 will be priced at 6000-6500. No way they'll be selling it for the same price as last years. Or at least i hope not. ;)

do you know how to use your brain?

the 150FD is a only 12-bit... not 14 bit.

Look RobbyTV, your 18-bit Samsung FP-T5884 "only" receives a 7.0 customer satisfication rating :eek:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/fp-t5884-cnet-user-rating.jpg

while my 14-bit PRO-150FD gets a 9.7! :)

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/pro-150fd-cnet-user-rating.jpg

Look RobbyTV, your 18-bit Samsung FP-T5884 "only" receives a 7.0 customer satisfication rating :eek:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/fp-t5884-cnet-user-rating.jpg

while my 14-bit PRO-150FD gets a 9.7! :)

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/pro-150fd-cnet-user-rating.jpg

LOL of course a PRO-150FD is gonna be more satisfying!

http://forum.blu-ray.com/images/smilies/imported/deadhorse.gif

D-nice said Russwongs MSRP on the 50" models was correct but his MSRP on the 60" ($7000) was off. My best guess would be an MSRP of $6500 for the 151 since I can't imagine Pioneer charging a $2500 premium for 60" models.Exactly what I was saying. Why can't D just tell us. I know it is borderline confidential information, but we deserve it :p

Look RobbyTV, your 18-bit Samsung FP-T5884 "only" receives a 7.0 customer satisfication rating :eek:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/fp-t5884-cnet-user-rating.jpg

while my 14-bit PRO-150FD gets a 9.7! :p

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/pro-150fd-cnet-user-rating.jpgThat show who's boss. :-D

Edit:To robby: His 12 bit TV owns your 18 bit TV

sorry dudes... my bad :(

Why can't D just tell us. I know it is borderline confidential information, but we deserve it :p

I'll certainly leave that decision up to D-Nice. If he gives away too much, I suspect there's a risk that the the spigot of valuable information he is able to provide may dry up completely.

I don't own a samsung.

just an old 27" Proton TV.

Proton was the best at one time.

Exactly what I was saying. Why can't D just tell us. I know it is borderline confidential information, but we deserve it :p

That show who's boss. :-D

Edit:To robby: His 12 bit TV owns your 18 bit TV

Robby- can you take a nice nap?

I am not tired enouph... wish I could because I have a bad headache.. i get them every week or so.

sorry if I upset you... but I like to deal with facts.

Robby- can you take a nice nap?

Robby- can you take a nice nap?

hahhaahahahahhhah! he loves to give his input, doesn't he....

I am not tired enouph... wish I could because I have a bad headache.. i get them every week or so.

sorry if I upset you... but I like to deal with facts.

No Robby, you annoy me because you post opinion. And im gonna take a leap here that I am not alone.

I dont care if you own a samsung or a proton.

I dont care whether you like or dislike the pricing of 8g or 9g, or whether you are or are not "pulling the trigger" now or anytime in the future.

I dont appreciate you posting inaccurate pricing information.

Look, we all know you like these plasmas and Im sorry if I come off hard, but give it a rest ..............please?

Paul

Look RobbyTV, your 18-bit Samsung FP-T5884 "only" receives a 7.0 customer satisfication rating :eek:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/fp-t5884-cnet-user-rating.jpg

while my 14-bit PRO-150FD gets a 9.7! :)

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/pro-150fd-cnet-user-rating.jpg

Not saying the Kuro is not good, but those satisfaction numbers mean nothing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7187577.stm

That was a research done about how price influences wine taste. ;)

No Robby, you annoy me because you post opinion. And im gonna take a leap here that I am not alone.

I dont care if you own a samsung or a proton.

I dont care whether you like or dislike the pricing of 8g or 9g, or whether you are or are not "pulling the trigger" now or anytime in the future.

I dont appreciate you posting inaccurate pricing information.

Look, we all know you like these plasmas and Im sorry if I come off hard, but give it a rest ..............please?

Paul

Be careful Domain. I once posted a similar point on this forum. I am not going to point fingers, but I will say that after I stated my opinion, the mods starting to send my threatening letters saying I will be banned and I got infraction points or something. The experience reminded me of kindergarden.

I may be wrong, but I thought Samsung's FP-T5884 has 18 bit internal processing and a much lower 10 bit panel.

I did not check and I'm not a big Samsung fan so I may not have my facts right.

-Robert

Robert, would you care to share any information you have regarding prices for the 60" 9g panels?:)

Hi all, new poster here.

I'm moving to a new house this summer where the previous owner had a 7G Pioneer 60" plasma in the media room. He's taking it with him so now I have to indulge and replace it. This will be my dream room and I plan on placing the Elite 60" -151 unit if possible (I've been waiting YEARS for this :cool:).

That said, do any of our informants know the exterior dimensions of the new unit? The in-wall speakers are being left behind and I'd like to know if I need to move them to make room, which would be much easier to do BEFORE the furniture arrives!

Any info greatly appreciated.

Kevin

The PRO-150FD is 66-5/16 x 34-23/32 x 4-13/16 inches (WxHxD), without the speakers attached it is 57-15/16 x 34-23/32 x 4-13/16 inches (WxHxD).

No info yet on the PRO-151 but I would bet it is pretty close to that.

Not saying the Kuro is not good, but those satisfaction numbers mean nothing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7187577.stm

That was a research done about how price influences wine taste. ;)Over the years I have imbibed a good glass of wine or two and just like a Pioneer PRO-150FD versus the Samsung FP-T5884 I believe there is a BIG difference between a good Puligny-Montrachet compared to a bottle of "Two Buck Chuck (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/02/eveningnews/main556620.shtml)."

I don't own a samsung.

just an old 27" Proton TV.

Proton was the best at one time.


Dream on... Protron TV's were never the best TV's.

:eek: Sold!

Even assuming that's just below 0.001fL, that puts contrast at around 30,000:1 when calibrated to 30fL for white. Now, that still isn't "true" black, but when calibrating my CRTs, I can't go past ~10,000:1 without crushing shadow details/raising gamma too high. It may not be perfect, but unless it's a bigger issue at 50" it's probably good enough to replace them, finally.

Just to double-check, what would you say that a 5080XD was last year? (I measured between 3000 and 3500:1, which would be roughly 0.009fL)I measured my 1150 @ 0.004ft-l....so that would be 7500:1.


Any idea when they'll make the move to 16-bit? Obviously I haven't seen these yet, but I hear you need 16-bit to have gradations on par with a CRT - certainly 12-bit wasn't enough last year.Not sure on the 16bit question. But, even with Pioneer's 10 and 12 bit implemetations, they were still better than anything out there...except maybe the Fujitsus.

Any word on whether the processing is going to be improved over last year's, or will they be using the same as last year to try and keep costs down? The deinterlacing was rather poor with PAL content, and the colour management left a lot to be desired. Finer control over the greyscale/gamma would be nice too.Revised processing software, but no new processors.

thank god.
The same words literally jumped out of my mouth.

If the 50" Elite is close to a $4000 street price shipped, I might bite on that instead of the regular model.

at first when i started reading after page 17 based on d-nice hint i assumed the new pioneers were going to be more expensive then the current models, then i read the guy from euro on this thread and i almost freak'd out but as i read more and more i noticed its only going to be slightly less then current models when they first came out, which is still ok but not based on what people were expecting am i correct?

im assuming d-nice and russ already posted this info because its only a matter of time before the official news is given from pioneer? what its on the 24th? the suspense is almost killing me....


get a hook up and get a discount as a best buy employee or wait for new 9g???? im trying to get a 42" ( yea i know 50" + only) mainly cuz of price but i think a 50" would be nice on my 6-8ft distince?

The same words literally jumped out of my mouth.

If the 50" Elite is close to a $4000 street price shipped, I might bite on that instead of the regular model.


From the sounds of it that seems far fetched. $4k MSRP for the 50" non-elite, $5k for the elite then (?)

I doubt we'll see 1k discounts on street prices anytime before Nov/Dec timeframe. Shipping will be another few hundred.

I don't think Pioneer will go much lower than these prices. I did a quick best buy BS search to see what is the most expensive 50" plasma they offer, I believe the price was $3500. Given Pioneer's position as a high-end niche product, I dont think it's that far fetched that the bean counters are saying they will position pricing at $4k MSRP. Also, there is no more doubt that this is there position as their "entry level" TV (at least until the LCDs come out) will be a 50" 1080p plasma the MSRPs higher than any other big TV name (sammy, panny, etc)

From the sounds of it that seems far fetched. $4k MSRP for the 50" non-elite, $5k for the elite then (?)

I doubt we'll see 1k discounts on street prices anytime before Nov/Dec timeframe. Shipping will be another few hundred.



The 5080 was released last year at an MSRP of $3500 and several forum sponsors had it right away within one hundred bucks (shipped) of the discount ChuckZ is looking for on the 9G Elite.

I work at an MHT and I saw in our system today that all of 8G elites are "discontinued" which usually means that once all the TVs in our warehouse are gone they are gone for good.

Obviously the 4280 and the 5080 were discontinued a while ago, but right now the only Pioneers that are still active are the 5010 and 6010. It seems like there is going be a decent size gap between when the 8Gs run out and when the 9Gs are released.

Does anyone have any information as to whether this is going to be the case or what? It really seems too soon for all the elites to be discontinued.

D,

When will you be at liberty to disclose more info?

i think D already spilled the beans enough as it is so i'd say it wouldnt hurt to say much more since around 2 weeks we are going to know right?

so wont hurt to know D

Hate to see they didn't go with the rumored $3500 non-Elite. I think that had the potential to pull a fair number of prospective high-end LCD buyers off their 46" and 52" panels with it's price advantage. Being their last year of completely independent manufacturing though, I guess it's sort of a throw away and they don't really care all that much. Any word on the front projectors price and whether they've changed their minds on the Kuro LCD's making it to NA in '08?

Ok so this is pretty obvious right?

The Elite 50 inch will be 5000.
That means the NON-Elite 50 inch will be 4000.

The Elite 60 inch will be 6500 max. Russ' initial price was 7000. Dnice has confirmed that is incorrect. We can go up or down. If the 9G 50 inch model is 1000 dollars CHEAPER why would the 9G 60 inch models be MORE EXPENSIVE. That doesn't make any sense.

Instead if we simply apply the same price difference to the 60 inch models, it becomes obvious that the 60 inch Elite will be priced at 6500.

That is 1000 dollars cheaper than the 8G 60 inch Elite.

That means the 60 inch NON-Elite will be 1K cheaper at 5500.

So MSRP will be:

5020: 4000
Pro 111: 5000
6020: 5500
Pro-151: 6500

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something but isn't that just simple straightforward logic? Easy right?

I thought the forum sponsors were selling the 8Gs out the gate at 20% off but I'm not sure. Please educate if I'm wrong . . .

Thanks

Dennis

Ok so this is pretty obvious right?

The Elite 50 inch will be 5000.
That means the NON-Elite 50 inch will be 4000.

The Elite 60 inch will be 6500 max. Russ' initial price was 7000. Dnice has confirmed that is incorrect. We can go up or down. If the 9G 50 inch model is 1000 dollars CHEAPER why would the 9G 60 inch models be MORE EXPENSIVE. That doesn't make any sense.

Instead if we simply apply the same price difference to the 60 inch models, it becomes obvious that the 60 inch Elite will be priced at 6500.

That is 1000 dollars cheaper than the 8G 60 inch Elite.

That means the 60 inch NON-Elite will be 1K cheaper at 5500.

So MSRP will be:

5020: 4000
Pro 111: 5000
6020: 5500
Pro-151: 6500

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something but isn't that just simple straightforward logic? Easy right?

I thought the forum sponsors were selling the 8Gs out the gate at 20% off but I'm not sure. Please educate if I'm wrong . . .

Thanks

Dennis

No, you're exactly right, in fact, most dealers on here were selling them for a 26%-30% discount right off the bat.

I am just trying to put a sanity check on the need for more than 14 bits. Today the high-end Nikon and Canon DSLR cameras are 14 bits maximum output (however, some claim internally 16 bits processing). Until recently, 12 bits was the standard. And it seemed pretty good. If you go look at the cameras forums, most folks had a hard time seeing much improvement over the old standard of 12 bits vs 14 bits. And 14 bits only helps in a lot of post processing of digital image and some dynamic range improvement.

So the sanity check implies Pioneer's 14 bits with its 4 times more information over 12 bits is currently state of the art.

Right?

And it seems that 9G will be only 3.7 inches (9,4 cm).

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/press/news/kuroG9.html

Who would pay 5 grand for the 111Fd when you can get the 6020FD for only $500 more?

I bet that the 6020FD will be more than $5500.
I still think the 6020FD will be $6500 and the 151FD will be $7500.
unless D-Nice was deceptive in saying the people over at Pioneer are boneheads.

Ok so this is pretty obvious right?

The Elite 50 inch will be 5000.
That means the NON-Elite 50 inch will be 4000.

The Elite 60 inch will be 6500 max. Russ' initial price was 7000. Dnice has confirmed that is incorrect. We can go up or down. If the 9G 50 inch model is 1000 dollars CHEAPER why would the 9G 60 inch models be MORE EXPENSIVE. That doesn't make any sense.

Instead if we simply apply the same price difference to the 60 inch models, it becomes obvious that the 60 inch Elite will be priced at 6500.

That is 1000 dollars cheaper than the 8G 60 inch Elite.

That means the 60 inch NON-Elite will be 1K cheaper at 5500.

So MSRP will be:

5020: 4000
Pro 111: 5000
6020: 5500
Pro-151: 6500

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something but isn't that just simple straightforward logic? Easy right?

I thought the forum sponsors were selling the 8Gs out the gate at 20% off but I'm not sure. Please educate if I'm wrong . . .

Thanks

Dennis

Who would pay 5 grand for the 111Fd when you can get the 6020FD for only $500 more?

I bet that the 6020FD will be more than $5500.
I still think the 6020FD will be $6500 and the 151FD will be $7500.
unless D-Nice was deceptive in saying the people over at Pioneer are boneheads.

You're right........wait a second.......

Why would someone buy a 110fd (msrp 5999.99) when they can get a 6010fd (msrp 6499.99) for 500 more.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the predicted prices by d-nice are going to be pretty accurate :-).

You're right........wait a second.......

Why would someone buy a 110fd (msrp 5999.99) when they can get a 6010fd (msrp 6499.99) for 500 more.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the predicted prices by d-nice are going to be pretty accurate :-).

DAMN, you beat me to it........................by 3 hours.:D

I was set on the Pro-111, but if these prices are correct, Im sure I can talk my wife into approving a little more for the 6020! :D

The 5080 was released last year at an MSRP of $3500 and several forum sponsors had it right away within one hundred bucks (shipped) of the discount ChuckZ is looking for on the 9G Elite.

sma, thanks for the information/correction. I am new to this so I don't have experience behind me. That is definately good to know

No, you're exactly right, in fact, most dealers on here were selling them for a 26%-30% discount right off the bat.

$3k street 5020 after all then? :D That would making me extremely happy.

Who would pay 5 grand for the 111Fd when you can get the 6020FD for only $500 more?
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unless D-Nice was deceptive in saying the people over at Pioneer are boneheads.

You are comparing a non-elite model to an elite model, that is why. No different that what it is currently.
Secondly, D-Nice has never attempted to deceive this forum, in fact he does the exact opposite and is a great asset to this community. I think it is highly disrespectful and poor manner to be saying this, especially to such a valuable member.

You're right........wait a second.......

Why would someone buy a 110fd (msrp 5999.99) when they can get a 6010fd (msrp 6499.99) for 500 more.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the predicted prices by d-nice are going to be pretty accurate :-).

I disagree. Pricing might change at the very last minute, but I have no reason to doubt that currently the MSRPs are higher than initial prediction, but that we may also see street prices at or below this mark.

Ok here is some more info on the 9G Kuros:


Minimum luminance levels in 0.000x ft-l range.
Higher peak brightnes
14-bit panel driving
Official xvYCC support
More info to come......

But doesn't panasonic PZ-700 already have a 16-bit panel??

Kuro still 14-bit???

Scoop on the new Kuro Line:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=22940

I am just trying to put a sanity check on the need for more than 14 bits. Today the high-end Nikon and Canon DSLR cameras are 14 bits maximum output (however, some claim internally 16 bits processing). Until recently, 12 bits was the standard. And it seemed pretty good. If you go look at the cameras forums, most folks had a hard time seeing much improvement over the old standard of 12 bits vs 14 bits. And 14 bits only helps in a lot of post processing of digital image and some dynamic range improvement.

So the sanity check implies Pioneer's 14 bits with its 4 times more information over 12 bits is currently state of the art.

Right?
Ah, but here's the problem - we're getting a 5x increase in calibrated contrast (likely even more if you're setting it as bright as possible) but only a 4x increase in the number of steps in brightness. This means that, despite there being more steps now, the difference between each is larger so if anything, posterisation is going to be more of an issue on the new panels.

According to D-Nice, the 50" 1080p models are 7500:1
7500/4096 (12-bit) = 1.83
I had a 5080XD which was ~3333:1 and saw posterisation on it when it should have fared even better - 3333/4096 = 0.81
With a 5x increase in contrast, that puts the new models at 37500:1, and 14-bit is 16384 steps. 37500/16384 = 2.29
If they had moved to 16-bit - 65536 steps, it would have been 37500/65536 = 0.57

So while 14-bit may be the best around, they needed to move to 16-bit to be an improvement over the last generation.

But doesn't panasonic PZ-700 already have a 16-bit panel??

Kuro still 14-bit???Processing and driving are 2 different things. I never saw anything stating that the 700 series Panasonic was using a 16bit panel driving scheme.....the 85 series is using a 12bit driving scheme (4096 shades of gray). The new 800 series is suppose to be 18bit processing....with, I think, the same 12bit panel driving.

Scoop on the new Kuro Line:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=22940

That Kuro LCD TV is good news to hear! I'm looking for an LCD for the upstairs
bedroom of my new house (Finally a homeowner!) that will be built by next Jan.
Let's hope these LCD's are great performers as Samsung seems to have some
pretty nice 2008 models out on the market right now. :)

Meanwhile, I sincerely hope Pioneer gives Canada MUCH better pricing for the
60 inch + Elite models this time round. I still think 2009 is the year I pick up my
replacement plasma (guy who bought my condo took the 150FD) and I seriously
hope it doesn't cost me $8K this time round. Yeah, that's if I buy another Pioneer...
after all, there's still unknown competition out there to consider.

good info, someone should ask which KURO is the ONE, the 60 inch 151 or the new KURO Front Projector?

Peejay was responding to Robby questioning why people would buy a PRO-111FD which is the 50" 9g Elite for $500 less than the 60" 6020 which is the 9g non-elite. Currently people ARE buying the PRO-110FD which is only $500 less than the 6010.

$3k street 5020 after all then? :D That would making me extremely happy.

if that's true, i will buy one from a forum sponser the day they receive them.

I live in Hong Kong and I thought this model was the PZ700 in America.

http://www.panasonic-hk.com/av/english/tv/product_page.asp?f_product_category=1&f_sub_category=2&f_product_record_id=281

Can you tell me the differnences between processing and driving? The website didn't state it is 16-bit processing, but the local catalog mention it.

The catalog said it's 16bit and 4096 shades of gray. It is all in Chinese and it doesn't have any English in it, it's translate as 16-bit processing technology.

Processing and driving are 2 different things. I never saw anything stating that the 700 series Panasonic was using a 16bit panel driving scheme.....the 85 series is using a 12bit driving scheme (4096 shades of gray). The new 800 series is suppose to be 18bit processing....with, I think, the same 12bit panel driving.

if that's true, i will buy one from a forum sponser the day they receive them.


maybe too soon but you might better go ahead and check with the three avs forum sponsors that are authorized Pioneer Elite dealers to see if they have preorder list setup, lol.......if you want one the first day they have them to sell.

IF Pioneer comes out with a 70"+ 10G ECC plasma I have first option to be #1 on that preorder list:D.

IF Pioneer comes out with a 70"+ 10G ECC plasma I have first option to be #1 on that preorder list:D.

You mean Pananeer/Piosonic :p





... hahaha, I just wanted to rock the boat a little.

Ah, but here's the problem - we're getting a 5x increase in calibrated contrast (likely even more if you're setting it as bright as possible) but only a 4x increase in the number of steps in brightness. This means that, despite there being more steps now, the difference between each is larger so if anything, posterisation is going to be more of an issue on the new panels.

According to D-Nice, the 50" 1080p models are 7500:1
7500/4096 (12-bit) = 1.83
I had a 5080XD which was ~3333:1 and saw posterisation on it when it should have fared even better - 3333/4096 = 0.81
With a 5x increase in contrast, that puts the new models at 37500:1, and 14-bit is 16384 steps. 37500/16384 = 2.29
If they had moved to 16-bit - 65536 steps, it would have been 37500/65536 = 0.57

So while 14-bit may be the best around, they needed to move to 16-bit to be an improvement over the last generation.I'm still not sure how you are integrating background luminence into the gray step calculations? Because it is background luminence that determines the minimum luminence, the entire luminence curve will shift lower when you reduce the minimum luminence. Even the pixels that are "on" have the same integrated background luminence.

On another note, pioneer version of 14bit driving has only 15 gray levels per subpixel (I've shown this in the ECC explanation thread). 15x15x15 is only 3375 levels of gray per pixel.

Scoop on the new Kuro Line:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=22940

That's no scoop, that's straight from the official Pioneer website - the link was posted here already.

no I will not help you in any way.

I like to deal with Facts.

No Robby, you annoy me because you post opinion. And im gonna take a leap here that I am not alone.

I dont care if you own a samsung or a proton.

I dont care whether you like or dislike the pricing of 8g or 9g, or whether you are or are not "pulling the trigger" now or anytime in the future.

I dont appreciate you posting inaccurate pricing information.

Look, we all know you like these plasmas and Im sorry if I come off hard, but give it a rest ..............please?

Paul

I'm still not sure how you are integrating background luminence into the gray step calculations? Because it is background luminence that determines the minimum luminence, the entire luminence curve will shift lower when you reduce the minimum luminence. Even the pixels that are "on" have the same integrated background luminence.

On another note, pioneer version of 14bit driving has only 15 gray levels per subpixel (I've shown this in the ECC explanation thread). 15x15x15 is only 3375 levels of gray per pixel.
If the contrast ratio is greater, each step in brightness is further apart, so you need more intermediate steps to create an image as smooth as one with a lower contrast ratio as the difference between each shade is much larger.

It's the same reason that as the display gamut gets wider, you need higher bit-depths to avoid posterisation as each shade is further apart.

Are you saying that they're not even 12-bit displays though (4096 shades) and that they achieve "14-bit" through dithering?

no you are wrong... it has been confirmed that D-Nice was wrong and ruswrong is right about the 50" anyways.

You're right........wait a second.......

Why would someone buy a 110fd (msrp 5999.99) when they can get a 6010fd (msrp 6499.99) for 500 more.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the predicted prices by d-nice are going to be pretty accurate :-).

If the contrast ratio is greater, each step in brightness is further apart, so you need more intermediate steps to create an image as smooth as one with a lower contrast ratio as the difference between each shade is much larger.

It's the same reason that as the display gamut gets wider, you need higher bit-depths to avoid posterisation as each shade is further apart.

Are you saying that they're not even 12-bit displays though (4096 shades) and that they achieve "14-bit" through dithering?Doesn't make sense to me. Not trying to be augumentative, just trying to understand. If you made the background luminence zero and the contrast was infinity what then?

Regarding the last question, it would seem in Pioneers case that 99.9% of the available gray levels are acheived through error diffusion and dithering.

Just a note to all AVS members who don't know any better.

All the prices on this thread have NOT be confirmed by Pioneer.

so until they are... they are just opinions.

anybody can say... oh I heard it from so and so.

until there is a link to Pioneer that shows the MSRP... all prices listed are NOT confirmed by Pioneer.

now if I am going to be insulted for guessing at prices... so be it.

no I will not help you in any way.

I like to deal with Facts.

If you like to deal in facts then can you please explain why you posted (then deleted) the post referenced here?:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13548593#post13548593

... which later turned out to you speculating to get D-Nice to provide more information on price (although you did not make that known that you were speculating in your post)... then you later took credit for him providing more info ("if it wasn't for me...").
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13552096#post13552096

And now you are with the 'D-Nice was wrong"...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13557776#post13557776
tell me how can one be wrong about saying a "target MSRP is $3500". He always made it clear and those of us who quoted him properly always used the word "targeted" for that figure. Many things can change a target... say the U.S. Dollar exchange rate... competitor pricing...

Finally, in this:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=13557926
No problem if you want to guess prices... just state that you are guessing when you guess. Especially since you "like to deal in facts".

If the contrast ratio is greater, each step in brightness is further apart, so you need more intermediate steps to create an image as smooth as one with a lower contrast ratio as the difference between each shade is much larger.Here is the way I think of this. The contrast is governed by the background luminence. If the background luminence is .004 ft-l and is reduced to .0004 ft-l then the contrast goes up by 10x assuming no other changes. This is because the entire luminence curve drops by .0036 ft-l including every available luminence (gray) level. Therefore the space between the luminence levels has not changed only the background luninence has.

Doesn't make sense to me. Not trying to be augumentative, just trying to understand. If you made the background luminence zero and the contrast was infinity what then?
The easiest way I can think of to explain it is like this:
Count from 0 to 100 in 100 steps. Each step is +1
Now count from 0 to 1000 in 100 steps. Each step is +10

Now say you needed to represent a value of 25.1. On the display with a 100:1 contrast ratio, that would be rounded to 25 which is an error of 0.1 and may be imperceptible.
On the display with the 1000:1 contrast ratio, 25.1 would be rounded to 30, which is an error of 4.9 and is going to be much more noticeable.

To have the same level of accuracy, you would need to count to 1000 in 1000 steps.

To increase the level of accuracy on the display that has a 100:1 contrast ratio, you would only need 1000 steps of gradation to display 25.1 without any rounding errors.
On the display that has a 1000:1 contrast ratio, you would need 10,000 steps of gradation for the same level of accuracy.


Pioneer have increased the contrast ratio 5x (or more) but have only increased the steps of gradation 4x, so there is a larger difference between each step in brightness that the screen can show now compared to last year's models, and in my opinion they didn't even have enough steps of gradation last year to display completely smooth images without posterisation.

What may have looked like a smooth gradation on last year's models may look posterised on the new ones as the difference between each step is now further away.

maybe too soon but you might better go ahead and check with the three avs forum sponsors that are authorized Pioneer Elite dealers to see if they have preorder list setup, lol.......if you want one the first day they have them to sell

doesn anyone know if any forum sponsers have pre-order lists for the 5020's? D-Nice? Roman?

The easiest way I can think of to explain it is like this:
Count from 0 to 100 in 100 steps. Each step is +1
Now count from 0 to 1000 in 100 steps. Each step is +10
This example works if you are increasing brightness. But regarding background luminence it should be like this

0.004 to 100.004

is changed to:

0.0004 to 100.0004

Large change in contrast and no change in available steps.

Note: I think the ever increasing gray steps with newer plasma displays is a result of a reduction in discharge delay time (higher speed addressing) and not any contrast changes.

doesn anyone know if any forum sponsers have pre-order lists for the 5020's? D-Nice? Roman?

I think its a little to early :)

This example works if you are increasing brightness. But regarding background luminence it should be like this

0.004 to 100.004

is changed to:

0.0004 to 100.0004

Large change in contrast and no change in available steps.

Note: I think the ever increasing gray steps with newer plasma displays is a result of a reduction in discharge delay time (higher speed addressing) and not any contrast changes.
Hmm, well hopefully I'm wrong - we'll see soon enough. :) Will be getting a 5090H as soon as they're available.

The easiest way I can think of to explain it is like this:
Count from 0 to 100 in 100 steps. Each step is +1
Now count from 0 to 1000 in 100 steps. Each step is +10

That doesn't make sense to me. I'm not an expert on these
things, but why would this be any different than the following?

8G: Count from 5 to 100 in 95 steps.
9G: Count from 1 to 100 in 99 steps. No big deal, really.

doesn anyone know if any forum sponsers have pre-order lists for the 5020's? D-Nice? Roman?

A little to early, but not as long a wait as you think.;)

Who would pay 5 grand for the 111Fd when you can get the 6020FD for only $500 more?

I bet that the 6020FD will be more than $5500.
I still think the 6020FD will be $6500 and the 151FD will be $7500.
unless D-Nice was deceptive in saying the people over at Pioneer are boneheads.

RobbyTV,

You are incorrect. Let me remind you of the MSRP prices for the 8Gs:

5010: 5000
110FD: 6000
6010: 6500
150FD: 7500

Soooooo . . . I don't get your question? Did you KNOW the 8G MSRP prices? Who would pay 5000 for a 111FD when you can buy a 6020 for 5500? Apparently all the people who paid 6000 for the 110FD who COULD have bought a 6010 for only 500 more.

We are all guessing as you've pointed out but I think my guesses are MUCH more in line with previous information than yours which I don't really even understand.

You are into facts and the numbers I've posted are the FACTS for the 8Gs . . . If the 9Gs follow the same price differentials (and I don't see why they shouldn't) I'm very confident these are the numbers we're going to see in a month.

As for DNice's comments on "boneheads" he initially posted that internal discussion at Pioneer looked at MSRP for the 151FD ranging from 5500 to 6500. The fact that the final decision was the top end of that range qualifies as "bonehead" to me.

If we look at 20-25 percent out the gate, a 9G 151FD will street at around 5000 which I feel is reasonable for such a T.V.

Dennis

Ah, but here's the problem - we're getting a 5x increase in calibrated contrast (likely even more if you're setting it as bright as possible) but only a 4x increase in the number of steps in brightness. This means that, despite there being more steps now, the difference between each is larger so if anything, posterisation is going to be more of an issue on the new panels.

According to D-Nice, the 50" 1080p models are 7500:1
7500/4096 (12-bit) = 1.83
I had a 5080XD which was ~3333:1 and saw posterisation on it when it should have fared even better - 3333/4096 = 0.81
With a 5x increase in contrast, that puts the new models at 37500:1, and 14-bit is 16384 steps. 37500/16384 = 2.29
If they had moved to 16-bit - 65536 steps, it would have been 37500/65536 = 0.57

So while 14-bit may be the best around, they needed to move to 16-bit to be an improvement over the last generation.

I'm anything but a technical expert, the only thing that comes to my mind when I read this (and this is perhaps completely beside the point) is the question: "What happens to this reasoning when contrast goes to infinity (as with ECC)?". According to your reasoning you need zillion-bit processing ... which seems a bit exagerated.:)

If we look at 20-25 percent out the gate, a 9G 151FD will street at around 5000 which I feel is reasonable for such a T.V.

Dennis

That sounds reasonable to me as well. I hope that is the case as the 151FD is the model I am looking forward to.

A little to early, but not as long a wait as you think.;)

I think its a little to early :)
alright, well as soon as I can i'd like to discuss it ;)

Hey guys,

I'm from Germany. Well I must say that the Elite Model which is in Germany the 5090H will have a MSRP of about 3500 Euro which are ca. 5500$ and for us Germans is the model this time very cheap. At the moment our 508D aka your current Elite Model costs here about 5200 Euro which are 8150$. The problem actually is that the US-Dollar is very low, so you have to pay so much. This time the new models will be cheaper here because Pioneer doesn't sale much of its plasmas here. There too expensive here so you have a relly big advantage for the current model.

The Elite model 5090H in Europe will have an integrated salite tuner DVB-S + DVB-S2, a DLNA network adapter that you can integrate the plasma in your network and a complete new menu design. The normal 5090 will have the old menu. Also there will be for both models an USB port.


Regards and hoping that my English is not too worse. ;)
Hi:
A couple of questions conerning the 5090H, if you don't mind -
Doe the plasma have a SINGLE coax connection for OTA or satellite reception?
If so, does the plasma then have PIP capabilities or is a seperate antenna feed, (from a terrestial tuner), required for OTA PIP reception?

Thanks for your time with this

Will any of the 9G Kuro's be two-way DCR?

They are suppose to be, but I will re-confirm.

They are suppose to be, but I will re-confirm.Interesting. If true will they support SDV?

Yes.

Uh oh, it may be time to start building up those "good will points" with Mrs. "optivity!" :eek:

Interesting. If true will they support SDV?

What is SDV?

switched digital video

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched_video

What is SDV?What do you think, will Mrs. "optivity" skin Mr. "optivity" alive... :eek: if he buys his 3rd PDP in four years. :D

What do you think, will Mrs. "optivity" skin Mr. "optivity" alive... :eek: if he buys his 3rd PDP in four years. :D

How did you talk her into the second? :)

How did you talk her into the second? :)I managed to do so while sailing aboard Liberty of the Seas (http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/class/ship/home.do;jsessionid=00009_Z35f3fgKPO0vwtBp52oFM:12hbioe0u?br= R&shipClassCode=FR&shipCode=LB) last summer.

You know people drink a lot of alcohol on those ships. :D

switched digital video

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched_video

D-nice if understand this correctly this only applies to cable users who are in which using coaxal cable correct? and im assuming the benefit of this is when ever the feed is digital it frees bandwitdth so the quality is better?

D-nice if understand this correctly this only applies to cable users who are in which using coaxal cable correct? and im assuming the benefit of this is when ever the feed is digital it frees bandwitdth so the quality is better?Cable & FiOS customers will 'see' a great deal of benefit when using a direct digital connection to their DCR TVs.

CableCARDs - A Primer (http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/cablecards-a-primer)

I managed to do so while sailing aboard Liberty of the Seas (http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/class/ship/home.do;jsessionid=00009_Z35f3fgKPO0vwtBp52oFM:12hbioe0u?br= R&shipClassCode=FR&shipCode=LB) last summer.

You know people drink a lot of alcohol on those ships. :D


Classic!! :)

I managed to do so while sailing aboard Liberty of the Seas (http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/class/ship/home.do;jsessionid=00009_Z35f3fgKPO0vwtBp52oFM:12hbioe0u?br= R&shipClassCode=FR&shipCode=LB) last summer.

You know people drink a lot of alcohol on those ships. :D

Well, my friend, looks like you'll be going on another cruise :D

Well the Home Theater Cruise is coming up :)

Interesting. If true will they support SDV?

Sorry to ask but what does 2-way DCR and supporting SDV mean?

Thanks.

Edited: I now see what SDV is (question answered earlier), still wondering about 2-way DCR

Well, my friend, looks like you'll be going on another cruise :DFunny you should say that, we were talking about booking our 8th cruise today. We are thinking September, when prices are "cheap." Coincidentally, the PRO-151FD should be coming out right about then. :) Well the Home Theater Cruise is coming upWhile I would enjoy going on an AVSF cruise, once "outed" how could I "talk trash" with D-Nice after disembarkation? :D Sorry to ask but what does 2-way DCR and supporting SDV mean?A native 2-way Digital Cable Ready device, if authorized, can accept a direct digital encrypted signal (coax connection) and display (or record: e.g. a future TiVo) the program's content. 2-way communications are required to support the Cable provider's IPG, SDV, PPV and On-Demand services.

Unfortunately, to date: there are no "native" 2-way DCR devices.

A native 2-way Digital Cable Ready device, if authorized, can accept a direct digital encrypted signal (coax connection) and display (or record: e.g. a future TiVo) the program's content. 2-way communications are required to support the Cable provider's IPG, SDV, PPV and On-Demand services.

Unfortunately, to date: there are no "native" 2-way DCR devices.

I'm assuming the 9G would still have regular cable card slot though, right? That is something I'm interested in getting for my bedroom TV that way I can get HD without needed a box (I don't need a DVR for that room).

Thanks.

Are the 9gs really going to be that much better then the 8gs? I still have about 2 weeks left on my 30 day return policy. I just hate being without a tv for a few months. Maybe I will keep this one and sell it later when the 9gs are released...

i am not going to waste my time looking at all your info.. maybe later I will... the fact is I gave an estimate at what I THINK the prices will be based upon some data. I never did say it was confirmed. I was wrong to post it.. you are right... so I deleted it right away. now lets talk about what really counts.

If you like to deal in facts then can you please explain why you posted (then deleted) the post referenced here?:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13548593#post13548593

... which later turned out to you speculating to get D-Nice to provide more information on price (although you did not make that known that you were speculating in your post)... then you later took credit for him providing more info ("if it wasn't for me...").
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13552096#post13552096

And now you are with the 'D-Nice was wrong"...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13557776#post13557776
tell me how can one be wrong about saying a "target MSRP is $3500". He always made it clear and those of us who quoted him properly always used the word "targeted" for that figure. Many things can change a target... say the U.S. Dollar exchange rate... competitor pricing...

Finally, in this:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=13557926
No problem if you want to guess prices... just state that you are guessing when you guess. Especially since you "like to deal in facts".

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
can someone please tell me how to use the ignore function?

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can someone please tell me how to use the ignore function?

Click his username
View Public Profile
and on the top "add RobbyTV to your ignore list"

Yeah, Robby: that discussion got out of hand and it really wasn't your fault, but it's time to just let it go, please! - it has become somewhat distracting to this thread. ;)


I'm just about ready to sign-up on the pre-order list, myself, for one of the 50" sets. : ) I spent some time looking at the new Panny's at Fry's today, and didn't leave impressed. Funny thing was that it was not the picture I objected too (feed was so bad I really couldn't evaluate) but the styling aesthetics. I still want to see the 800/850's in person, but I really think I won't be happy until I have a 9G in my living room. The prices for the 50" sets, as discussed here, are within reach, so it should be an easy decision this summer.

TY Robert.....I have never had to use this function.

OK back to 9gs and all who contribute.....................

Does anyone know where I can pre-order the pdp-6020fd??

What do you think, will Mrs. "optivity" skin Mr. "optivity" alive... :eek: if he buys his 3rd PDP in four years. :D

Why don't you sell a plasma or two and use the proceeds to fund a 9th or 10th generation set. I bet that would be easier to swallow.

Cable & FiOS customers will 'see' a great deal of benefit when using a direct digital connection to their DCR TVs.

CableCARDs - A Primer (http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/cablecards-a-primer)

Very interesting stuff, thanks.

I'm surprised that the difference in quality in their test set-up is that different. Would that still be the cast nowadays? Many set-top-boxes can just pass-on the native signal and let the tv do all the scaling ...

Probably interesting topic for a thread ... if it isn't out there already

Damn that russwong, can't get anything right! Latest update from a couple weeks ago is 151 will be $6500 MSRP, but can change as usual.

Sorry, haven't been keeping up with the threads.

Don't see how you do it D-Nice, especially with the new addition. How's the family?

Russ

A good friend of mine, russwong, posted pricing info on the 9Gs. Let's just say he was correct on the 50" models, but wrong on the 60" models ;)

Now that's all I'm going to say on pricing. I hope no one @ Pioneer is watching this thread.

Family's great Russ....and no it isn't easy :)

Does anyone know if the 9G Kuro Elite include a uniform Zoom mode that crops the sides of a 2:35 image and zooms top to bottom, rather than the stretch to fit mode of the current model- which actually creates a distorted image?

I mostly watch 2:35 content as intended, but in some cases, I don't mind losing the sides and filling the screen- namely for kid movies and animations.

Don't see how you do it D-Nice, especially with the new addition. How's the family?

Russ

D-Nice, D-Nice. How could you have a new addition to your family and forget to tell your AVS family?

CONGRATULATIONS!!!! :D

D-Nice, D-Nice. How could you have a new addition to your family and forget to tell your AVS family?

CONGRATULATIONS!!!! :D

+1. Congrats D

Very nice, D-Nice. Congrats!

Thank you all for your kind words. I did not post this info in the main areas, but did tell a few people thru PM.

Just checking, but you didn't name the new tyke "Kuro", did you??

haha, j/k Congrats - that's awesome!

Does anyone(D-Nice?) have any idea about the green fringing? Will it be reduced with these sets?(100hz?) Ever? Are the manufacturers aware of the problem and WORKING on the problem or do they think its not important? Havent read about any mfg saying anything about it.
Any guesses how the ECC will handle this?

This is the thing keeping me away from plasmas after trying one out last year(Panasonic).

Does anyone know if the 9G Kuro Elite include a uniform Zoom mode that crops the sides of a 2:35 image and zooms top to bottom, rather than the stretch to fit mode of the current model- which actually creates a distorted image?

I mostly watch 2:35 content as intended, but in some cases, I don't mind losing the sides and filling the screen- namely for kid movies and animations.

I emailed Pioneer with this suggestion not too long ago. It'd be great
if they'd finally implement something like that in the 9G plasmas.

I'm assuming the 9G would still have regular cable card slot though, right? That is something I'm interested in getting for my bedroom TV that way I can get HD without needed a box (I don't need a DVR for that room).

Thanks.If the 9Gs are 2-way DCR they will have an M-Card slot. Are the 9gs really going to be that much better then the 8gs? I still have about 2 weeks left on my 30 day return policy. I just hate being without a tv for a few months. Maybe I will keep this one and sell it later when the 9gs are released...Check out Phil Hinton’s 9G Kuro review from CES 2008: CES 2008 Round Up - Pioneer gives us the star of the show with Contrast Kuro (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=688534). Why don't you sell a plasma or two and use the proceeds to fund a 9th or 10th generation set. I bet that would be easier to swallow. :eek: Sell one of my perfectly operational panels… never! :eek:

well if you need more than one TV for your home... then it makes sense.

if this is not true... then you will have buyers remorse unless you rationalize your way out of it.

:eek: Sell one of my perfectly operational panels… never! :eek:

well if you need more than one TV for your home... then it makes sense.

if this is not true... then you will have buyers remorse unless you rationalize your way out of it.Both panels are often used (MBR & FR). If I acquire a 3rd display the 50PX50U would see little action after that.

So, how much can I reasonably expect to get on a resale of a TH-50PX50U with:

1) original cost $5400

2) mint condition with original packaging

3) no de d/stuck pixels

4) ~3000 hours of operation

5) no hint of IR

i would keep it too.

I see your point.

Both panels are often used (MBR & FR). If I acquire a 3rd display the 50PX50U would see little action after that.

So, how much can I reasonably expect to get on a resale of a TH-50PX50U with:

1) original cost $5400

2) mint condition with original packaging

3) no de d/stuck pixels

4) ~3000 hours of operation

5) no hint of IR

Check out Phil Hinton’s 9G Kuro review from CES 2008: CES 2008 Round Up - Pioneer gives us the star of the show with Contrast Kuro (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=688534).


Very impressive. *Sigh* Now I'm gonna have to sell my 8g when the 9gs are released. I don't think I can survive that many months without a tv. Speaking of new tvs. What about the new Panny 65" 850? How do you think that will compare to the 9g?

I'd love to know D-Nice's opinion on whether one should just get the 9G this
year and be done with it, or wait next year. Being that the ECC is supposedly
coming then, I do wonder how far off the 9G is from it. I mean, they do sound
pretty nice... (the 9G that is...)

D-Nice: If you were me... and moving into a new house next January, would
you buy the 9G this year, or wait until after I move in and consider the 2009
model (10g??). I'm also considering price but I just went through a Pro-150FD
which sold with the condo (so no Kuro for me at all until I move in). I would
truly like to know, beyond the ECC, is there any improvements in brightness
and such? Heck, that 9mm panel was nice... not sure if they ever release it.

Your input would be appreciated (even as a PM). :)

Help?

Very impressive. *Sigh* Now I'm gonna have to sell my 8g when the 9gs are released. I don't think I can survive that many months without a tv. Speaking of new tvs. What about the new Panny 65" 850? How do you think that will compare to the 9g?Honestly, I have not given Panasonic much consideration since buying a PRO-150FD.

When 2009 rolls around, based upon what Pioneer "really" does regarding their 10G Kuro's, I may have to re-visit Panasonic if/when I find myself in the market for another PDP.

I might buy the 50" 9G this year for the bedroom but I'm going nuts waiting for a BIG Pioneer to come out. I'm hoping they introduce them in the 10G model - something 80" or so would be really nice.

Both panels are often used (MBR & FR). If I acquire a 3rd display the 50PX50U would see little action after that.

So, how much can I reasonably expect to get on a resale of a TH-50PX50U with:

1) original cost $5400

2) mint condition with original packaging

3) no de d/stuck pixels

4) ~3000 hours of operation

5) no hint of IR

i would keep it as you probably won't get much from it to make it worth while. Take a look at the current prices of panasonic plasmas like last year's
50PX75, or the new 50PX80. Yours, which is a few generations old might still fetch about $400 in my opinion. sorry. prices drop fast in the tech world

I might buy the 50" 9G this year for the bedroom but I'm going nuts waiting for a BIG Pioneer to come out. I'm hoping they introduce them in the 10G model - something 80" or so would be really nice.

I am also waiting for a large pioneer tv before I make another purchase (currently have a 5080 and 5010) ...

I want a 70'' or 80'' from pioneer for my next purchase .. gotta go BIG!

I might buy the 50" 9G this year for the bedroom but I'm going nuts waiting for a BIG Pioneer to come out. I'm hoping they introduce them in the 10G model - something 80" or so would be really nice.


Don't count on it as there is no real market demand

I wonder if the issues some have experienced with 1080p/24 are going to be addressed in the 9Gs?..........Your thoughts.

I might buy the 50" 9G this year for the bedroom but I'm going nuts waiting for a BIG Pioneer to come out. I'm hoping they introduce them in the 10G model - something 80" or so would be really nice.

who are you people with bedrooms big enough for FIFTY INCH TV's? My living room area is barely large enough for one. You really need a 50" sitting in bed? haha.

You really need a 50" sitting in bed? haha.

I wouldn't mind having one. Hell, I'll take a 60" for the bedroom.:D

who are you people with bedrooms big enough for FIFTY INCH TV's? My living room area is barely large enough for one. You really need a 50" sitting in bed? haha.

Need a 50" for the bedroom - No, I don't NEED one - nor do I need anything better than a Ford Festiva - this forum is for people who like to treat themselves to some of the nicer things in life - I would imagine you have a few luxuries as well or you wouldn't be trolling the pioneer kuro thread - you'd probably be searching for a 25" RCA console CRT TV in craigslist for free removal.

If you aren't sleeping in a crib or a coffin or in a refrigerator box under a bridge- chances are you can have a TV at the foot of your bed - 6 feet from your head (assuming you have your bed wedged between two walls. If that is the case you can easily have a 50" plasma in your bedroom.

Even if you are in a standard dorm room and in bunks - you can turn your head to the side and your other wall is 8' from your head (7 if you are in the middle of your bunk) still plenty of room for a 50" plasma.

I work for people whose bedrooms could easily have a 70-80" TV in their bedroom. I don't have anything that large but I can easily see people having TVs that size in their bedroom.

who are you people with bedrooms big enough for FIFTY INCH TV's? My living room area is barely large enough for one. You really need a 50" sitting in bed? haha.We like turning night into day. :D

And to think... 10 years ago I had a 13" :eek: crt/vhs combo to lull me to sleep.

Honestly, I have not given Panasonic much consideration since buying a PRO-150FD.

When 2009 rolls around, based upon what Pioneer "really" does regarding their 10G Kuro's, I may have to re-visit Panasonic if/when I find myself in the market for another PDP.

I ask because of the 65" they offer. Having an extra 5 inches would be nice. But as the kuros have proved, it's not the size it's what you do with it.;)

The probability of a 65" 2009 G10 Kuro is high. The probability of a 80" G10 Kuro is also high....but in very limited numbers ;)

And the 80" will probably cost $40,000!http://forum.blu-ray.com/images/smilies/imported/panic.gif

who are you people with bedrooms big enough for FIFTY INCH TV's? My living room area is barely large enough for one. You really need a 50" sitting in bed? haha.

I agree, my living room is maybe big enough for a 50". The biggest TV I could put in a room would be 37", but even to me that is pushing it. Next thing you know they would put 60" Pioneer in there breakfast nook.:D

here is my perfect spot for my 5080 to be moved to my bedroom when i get a 60 inch for the fam room. that mirror in the pic is 48" - the 5080 is about that size and will fit perfectly there. The old sony 27" will come down and i would use the 5080's speaker as the center speaker because its crossover is 110 which is about the same as the current center speaker's crossover.

I agree, my living room is maybe big enough for a 50". The biggest TV I could put in a room would be 37", but even to me that is pushing it. Next thing you know they would put 60" Pioneer in there breakfast nook.:D

yeah, thats why it's such a bummer that Pioneer decided not to release a 1080p, 42', i was looking forward to that, and for me even 42" was pushing it.

Pioneer plans to release stock of their 9th generation models (PPD-5020 and PDP-6020) in the first week of June. The MSRP will be announced after Pioneer's road show in mid May... so hopefully retailers can start taking pre-orders as early as mid May. I'll keep you updated as I get more information.
Enjoy :)

here is my perfect spot for my 5080 to be moved to my bedroom when i get a 60 inch for the fam room. that mirror in the pic is 48" - the 5080 is about that size and will fit perfectly there. The old sony 27" will come down and i would use the 5080's speaker as the center speaker because its crossover is 110 which is about the same as the current center speaker's crossover.

i would not want a 45 degree vertical viewing angle, but that's just me.

The probability of a 65" 2009 G10 Kuro is high. The probability of a 80" G10 Kuro is also high....but in very limited numbers ;)

and the probability of a 70" is . . . . ?

I ask because of the 65" they offer. Having an extra 5 inches would be nice. But as the kuros have proved, it's not the size it's what you do with it.;)Eh, she is just being kind by saying that! :D

BIGGER is better, because we all know things shrink (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheHamptons.htm)!

Eh, she is just being kind by saying that! :D

BIGGER is better, because we all know things shrink (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheHamptons.htm)!

HA! Ain't that the truth.

and the probability of a 70" is . . . . ?Next to zero.

Next to zero.

Thanks (even if it was not the news I was hoping for). Guess I'm going to have to "make due" with 65".

Thanks (even if it was not the news I was hoping for). Guess I'm going to have to "make due" with 65".

Yep - that is what I hear from most of my friends and family. Almost everyone has a 65" screen - some are more than 5 years old but none of us want to "upgrade" to a new unit unless the upgrade includes a BIGGER screen.

I agree, my living room is maybe big enough for a 50". The biggest TV I could put in a room would be 37", but even to me that is pushing it. Next thing you know they would put 60" Pioneer in there breakfast nook.:D

I have a 50 inch LCD in my bedroom and love it!
And if I had a breakfast nook then I would love to have a 60 incher in it!! Nothing can wake me up better than a Kuro!!

I wonder if the issues some have experienced with 1080p/24 are going to be addressed in the 9Gs?

Those issues being... ?

Those issues being... ?

Ehhhh.....It's more confusion and a lack of clear explanation from Pioneer about what the Kuros do with this signal and what modes should be used with it.

Check out this thread for an in-depth discussion on the Pure Cinema modes and 1080p/24:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=983380&highlight=clear+explanation

Ah, ok. I've always thought that was very confusing and even
D-Nice's comments in that thread don't make any sense to me.
How can "off" mean no pulldown at all? It's not like the Pioneer
is going to display an interlaced signal "as is" on that setting.
And there was also that firmware bug that made all kinds of
PureCinema modes selectable with progressive signals that
should have been disabled. I totally agree that the explanation
in the menus and the manual was horrible (they didn't even
manage to provide a Hz number for the drive modes and having
72Hz selectable for PAL content doesn't make any sense either).

It's just a mess and I hope Pioneer does a better job of explaining it with the 9g.

It's just a mess and I hope Pioneer does a better job of explaining it with the 9g.

thats one thing I liked about my sony XBR4.
when you press display or info it would automaticallty tell you when you were watching 1080p24fps and you were always at 120hz.
I had a hard time figuring out if I was at 72hz on my 5080 aad which mode I should be using. But I think if you put it in "advanced" then you are at 72hz

That seems to be the consensus......though there are still people that say "anytime you send the panel 1080p/24 it will automatically go into 72hz mode". D-Nice says that's not the case. It would be nice if Pioneer cleared this up................

I heard a rumor that the 9th gens will not have speakers, is this true?

I heard a rumor that the 9th gens will not have speakers, is this true?

I thought they would. Please correct me someone if I am way off :)

I thought they would. Please correct me someone if I am way off :)

I think only the 9mm mointors will have no speakers or tuner either. The others are supposed to be fully equiped.

I don't know about the US models, but the European ones will definitely be
shipped without speakers - you'll be able to buy all-new (well, maybe just in
name :D) official Pioneer speakers designed specifically for the TV, though.

I think only the 9mm mointors will have no speakers or tuner either. The others are supposed to be fully equiped.

So not this year like I thought

I don't know about the US models, but the European ones will definitely be
shipped without speakers - you'll be able to buy all-new (well, maybe just in
name :D) official Pioneer speakers designed specifically for the TV, though.

Which is still amazing to me why they would ship a 6080D without speakers right now. Thats why people buy from USA :D

Which is still amazing to me why they would ship a 6080D without speakers right now. Thats why people buy from USA :D

I think it makes sense. A lot of folks don't mount the speakers and use their home theater, why make them pay for speakers that just stay in the box?

I think it makes sense. A lot of folks don't mount the speakers and use their home theater, why make them pay for speakers that just stay in the box?

LOL I agree I just made this point with the 65PF10UK Panasonic. But the reason I mentioned it is that that it the way its done here. So since the TV's are the same pretty much here and there why change it?

I think it makes sense. A lot of folks don't mount the speakers and use their home theater, why make them pay for speakers that just stay in the box?

Mine is in the box. I've never even opened the box. I'm not sure if the speaker is actually even in there... :o

I heard a rumor that the 9th gens will not have speakers, is this true?There are 2 sets of 9G Kuros:

TVs (tuners, speakers, stands, etc)
Monitors (no tuner, speakers, stands)

I think only the 9mm mointors will have no speakers or tuner either. The others are supposed to be fully equiped.There are NO 9mm models in the 9G lineup.

There are 2 sets of 9G Kuros:

TVs (tuners, speakers, stands, etc)
Monitors (no tuner, speakers, stands)

Have you seen the pricing on the Montiors also or just the consumer models? (hints if you have please :))

I heard a rumor that the 9th gens will not have speakers, is this true?

Pioneer will introduce a mid-year 9G Elite only 50" and 60" monitor only. I first posted about it here.

This will be in addition to the July released PRO-111FD and PRO-151FD. No speakers, no audio amplifier, no pedestal mount, no tuners.

Benefits are:

1. Thinner bezel

2. Lower profile, approximately 1' less depth

3. Lighter weight

4. More energy efficient

5. Lower cost

-Robert

Will the Pioneer be selling the pedestal stand for the 9G Elite 50 and 60 inch Monitors? I don't care about speakers, tuner and Amplifier and If I can get the pedestal stand, then I may look into getting the monitor if there is decent price difference.
-Raj

NanoRish ^^ Yes, it's an available option.

-Robert

Will the Pioneer be selling the pedestal stand for the 9G Elite 50 and 60 inch Monitors? I don't care about speakers, tuner and Amplifier and If I can get the pedestal stand, then I may look into getting the monitor if there is decent price difference.
-Raj

They would have to

Pioneer will introduce a mid-year 9G Elite only 50" and 60" monitor only. I first posted about it here.

This will be in addition to the July released PRO-111FD and PRO-151FD. No speakers, no audio amplifier, no pedestal mount, no tuners.

Benefits are:

1. Thinner bezel

2. Lower profile, approximately 1' less depth

3. Lighter weight

4. More energy efficient

5. Lower cost

-Robert


Bingo! You might have just convinced me to get a 60 inch 9G Elite! Thanks.

NanoRish ^^ Yes, it's an available option.

-Robert

As in "Stand sold separately"...........

There are NO 9mm models in the 9G lineup.

Will there be in the 10G lineup, and will it be named The Pannorexia model?;)

Panorexio.;)

There are 2 sets of 9G Kuros:

TVs (tuners, speakers, stands, etc)
Monitors (no tuner, speakers, stands)

Are the monitors the "slim bezel" models we have been hearing about?

John
ok, Robert answered this question a few posts down :-)

Thanks for the information, this has made my decision to be an easy one. I will be looking to get a 60 and 50 elite Monitors for my family and master bedroom resp. Both rooms have viewing distance of 12-13 feet. Both rooms already have surround sound
systems. I was initially thinking of getting 9G 60 Elite for Family Room and 46 Panny 800U for Master bedroom. I can fit Max 50inch in Bedroom because of the corner location.

One of the Forum sponsors will be getting my business in July-Aug. This wait is killing me.
I hope the stand alone stand is not for $1000 like the Panny 65 inch TV has.

Pioneer will introduce a mid-year 9G Elite only 50" and 60" monitor only. I first posted about it here.

This will be in addition to the July released PRO-111FD and PRO-151FD. No speakers, no audio amplifier, no pedestal mount, no tuners.

Benefits are:

1. Thinner bezel

2. Lower profile, approximately 1' less depth

3. Lighter weight

4. More energy efficient

5. Lower cost

-Robert


I am getting a Pro-151fd probably. So I guess it is safe to say that I will need to buy a home audio system since it will be monitor only correct??
Any recommendations on a inexpensive but good stereo system to go with it??
How about the Bose Cinemate? anyone have it? how is it?? I know I can get some more info in the audio forums also. But I am curious about what you guys are using with your 8th gens.

thanksguys!

I am getting a Pro-151fd probably. So I guess it is safe to say that I will need to buy a home audio system since it will be monitor only correct??
Any recommendations on a inexpensive but good stereo system to go with it??
How about the Bose Cinemate? anyone have it? how is it?? I know I can get some more info in the audio forums also. But I am curious about what you guys are using with your 8th gens.

thanksguys!

"This will be in addition to the July released PRO-111FD and PRO-151FD."

Robert,

Thanks a tons for that info. The pricing will determine what I end up with but for my needs the "monitors" seem perfect. Esp. if they carry all the Elite level picture controls.

Sigh, july can't come soon enough...
Any word on how much cheaper the monitor series will be?

Sigh, july can't come soon enough...
Any word on how much cheaper the monitor series will be?

This is Pioneer. So take a logical difference and cut that in half and you'll be closer to their mindset.

You guys really think the monitors will be cheaper? Panasonic's profession monitors are more expensive than their consumer line.

Yep. That was the word from some reputable source. I can't remember who. I think it was Robert from Value Electronics. But it might have been D-Nice. Or perhaps a AVS induced hallucination. But I think it was one of the first two.

You guys really think the monitors will be cheaper? Panasonic's profession monitors are more expensive than their consumer line.

Yea the 607CMX was more expensive than the the 6070HD :confused:

Not sure if this has been posted but here are some cool shots of 9G Kuro mainly the 9mm thick one.

http://www.minhembio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=182467

So am I correct in saying the thin bezel ones are different from the 9mm thick ones?

Yep. That was the word from some reputable source. I can't remember who. I think it was Robert from Value Electronics. But it might have been D-Nice. Or perhaps a AVS induced hallucination. But I think it was one of the first two.

Yeah Robert said lower cost in his post on the last page.

Pioneer will introduce a mid-year 9G Elite only 50" and 60" monitor only. I first posted about it here.

This will be in addition to the July released PRO-111FD and PRO-151FD. No speakers, no audio amplifier, no pedestal mount, no tuners.

Benefits are:

1. Thinner bezel

2. Lower profile, approximately 1' less depth

3. Lighter weight

4. More energy efficient

5. Lower cost

-Robert

Not sure if this has been posted but here are some cool shots of 9G Kuro mainly the 9mm thick one.

http://www.minhembio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=182467

D-Nice has said that Pioneer isn't going to make a 9mm thick 9G......unfortunately.:(

D-Nice has said that Pioneer isn't going to make a 9mm thick 9G......unfortunately.:(

Well Check out Post #19 in that link I gave that compares a 5010 to the 9G Blacks.

Holy crap. I assume that's not 10G.

EDIT: Looks like it's a 10G-ish.

I think we just get slightly thinner panels and blacks that are 5 times deeper this year. I think I can live with that.http://forum.blu-ray.com/images/smilies/imported/rock.gif:D

10G-ish.

When I was young, I was encouraged to learn a new word every day. This is definitely today's word!! :)

...how many more new words before you finally buy your Pioneer?:D

I'd settle for understanding a few more. I can throw around terms like inverse telecine at a cocktail party - but damn, I STILL don't understand it.

But whatever comprehension I do or don't have, I think there'll be a new Pioneer in my house by September.

AVS is great place to learn about those things.

I'd settle for understanding a few more. I can throw around terms like inverse telecine at a cocktail party - but damn, I STILL don't understand it.

But whatever comprehension I do or don't have, I think there'll be a new Pioneer in my house by September.

Just a word of caution.

Let others be the guinnie pigs with major technology changes. You might want to wait for the 10g.

(see guys, we'll keep "great smile" around longer this way) :)

Just a word of caution.

Let others be the guinnie pigs with major technology changes. You might want to wait for the 10g.

(see guys, we'll keep "great smile" around longer this way) :)

I'm sure she won't abandon us after she gets her 9G. It might be a few months before she's able to pull herself away from the TV though.;)

Just a word of caution.

Let others be the guinnie pigs with major technology changes. You might want to wait for the 10g.

(see guys, we'll keep "great smile" around longer this way) :)

Oooooh, that's low. But I think this is my year. I suspect I'll be here for a while though. I'm guessing there will be even more to learn when I have one in my grubby little hands.


And thanks!

Sigh, july can't come soon enough...

I hear that. I am counting the days.
I feel like a 10 year old counting the days until Xmas.
I really want a Pro-151fd but I may just get the 6020 since it will be released a little earlier I think. And the days have started going by much slower since I traded my 5080 in for a Phillips plasma.
I wish there was a way I could go to the hospital and have them induce a coma that I can stay in until the 9G's come out.:D

Just stuff yourself in your freezer, I'll come by in July and thaw you out;).

I am getting a Pro-151fd probably. So I guess it is safe to say that I will need to buy a home audio system since it will be monitor only correct??
Any recommendations on a inexpensive but good stereo system to go with it??
How about the Bose Cinemate? anyone have it? how is it?? I know I can get some more info in the audio forums also. But I am curious about what you guys are using with your 8th gens.

thanksguys!

Stay away from Bose....horrible for the price!!!

Will the monitor only 9g have ability to connect your own speakers to it through terminals on the panel as my 433cmx does?

mattg3, sorry no amplifier in the 9.5G Elite monitors.

-Robert

Thanks dtv.Do you know if 9g 50 elite(not monitor)Will have terminals I can hitch small speakers to instead of the pair that comes with the plasma?.Its a size problem for me yet having small speakers avoids my having to fire up my large system to just listen to news etc.

mattg3, yes, you can not attach the provided speakers and connect your own speakers with pig-tail speaker wire directly into the rear panel speaker outputs.

-Robert

Thanks,I only wanted to attach my own speakers and pass on the speakers that come with the elite

mattg3, FYI a few options are to wall mount the the two Elite speakers separated from the panel or to get speaker pedestal stands.

-Robert