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bruceburns
02-12-08, 06:58 PM
I have a Pioneer Elite SACD player and a Pioneer Elite Receiver When I play a normal cd it sounds great when I play any SACD - standard or 5.1 it sounds terrible as soon as I turn on the mutli channel option on my receiver it sounds super muffled really terrible please help!

Kal Rubinson
02-12-08, 07:07 PM
Well, tell us what models, how they are connected and what settings you use.

bruceburns
02-12-08, 07:18 PM
player is the 59 avi receiver vsx 91txh connected with from player to receiver using jacks right into multi channel option on receiver also have hdmi cable hooked i have played with all settings to see if it would get better but nothing worked changing from 5.1 multi channel to 2 channel sorry bit of a novice here i had best buy hook it all up i called Piooner they said to start by changing the cables but they are brand new

Kal Rubinson
02-12-08, 07:25 PM
player is the 59 avi receiver vsx 91txh connected with from player to receiver using jacks right into multi channel option on receiver Do you mean with 6 analog cables?

i have played with all settings to see if it would get better but nothing worked changing from 5.1 multi channel to 2 channel Have you selected the MCH SACD track on the player and the MCH analog input on the player?

bruceburns
02-12-08, 07:31 PM
6 cables i believe so not sure on the other issue could that be the problem?

Kal Rubinson
02-12-08, 07:32 PM
6 cables i believe so not sure on the other issue could that be the problem?Sure.

bruceburns
02-12-08, 08:04 PM
i dont have a mch analog option

Kal Rubinson
02-12-08, 09:01 PM
i dont have a mch analog optionThen how do you select the 6xRCA input?

bruceburns
02-12-08, 09:09 PM
by pressing the multi channel in button on the receiver

Kal Rubinson
02-12-08, 09:36 PM
by pressing the multi channel in button on the receiverDoes that select an input or does it invoke a DSP processing mode to synthesize MCH from a stereo input? I suspect the latter.

gtekie
02-18-08, 06:58 AM
My SACD players blow my multi channel inputs.
Using 2 different SACD players I have now got dead inputs on 2 different Pioneer Elite receivers.
Pio Elite VSX-81 TXV........Dead Front L&R inputs
Pio Elite VSX-92 TXH........Dead Surround R input
Players: Sony SCD-CE595
Pio Elite DV-45A
Connecting Cables 6.1 m (20 ft) shielded RCA
Whats going on here ?

sivadselim
02-18-08, 03:24 PM
I have a Pioneer Elite SACD player and a Pioneer Elite Receiver When I play a normal cd it sounds great when I play any SACD - standard or 5.1 it sounds terrible as soon as I turn on the mutli channel option on my receiver it sounds super muffled really terrible please help!How are you playing back your CDs for this "comparison"? Are you playing the CDs back via a digital connection to your receiver, an analog connection to your receiver's CD (or other 2-channel) inputs, or via the R/L channels of your multichannel analog connection to your receiver's ext. inputs? Have you calibrated your multichannel analog connection with a calibration DVD? Do you own a calibration DVD? Have you set the player up properly, particularly for bass management that is appropriate to your setup? To what setting is each of your speaker and subwoofer level trims set within the player?

Does that player also play DVD-Audio discs? If so, have you tried that, and how do they sound? How does a DD or DTS 5.1 DVD sound when decoded by your player and played back via your multichannel analog connection? If you have not tried this, try it for us. Just insert any 5.1 movie that you have and select the receiver's multichannel analog inputs for playback. How does it sound?

Are you certain you have connected the player to the correct multichannel analog inputs of the receiver? Are you certain that the cables are snugly attached to the player's multichannel outputs and the receiver's multichannel inputs?


i dont have a mch analog optionThen how do you select the 6xRCA input?by pressing the multi channel in button on the receiverMost likely there is also a way for your to select the multichannel analog inputs via your remote.


Does that select an input or does it invoke a DSP processing mode to synthesize MCH from a stereo input? I suspect the latter.It selects his receiver's multichannel analog inputs. Why do you suspect the latter? He said he selects his ext. inputs by "pressing the multi channel in" button on his receiver. What else would this do except select his ext. inputs? I doubt he is applying a DSP to his ext. inputs as most receivers will not allow this.

Kal Rubinson
02-18-08, 04:21 PM
It selects his receiver's multichannel analog inputs. Why do you suspect the latter? He said he selects his ext. inputs by "pressing the multi channel in" button on his receiver. What else would this do except select his ext. inputs? I doubt he is applying a DSP to his ext. inputs as most receivers will not allow this.Just asking as I have absolutely no experience with his equipment and I was trying to figure out what went wrong. Now it can be your task. ;)

sivadselim
02-18-08, 05:10 PM
Now it can be your task. ;)Gee, thanks. :p

Desert Pilot
02-19-08, 08:59 AM
Obviously something is seriously wrong here. Firstly, forget Best Buy help. They barely know what a TV is let alone MCh audio. I would recommend this individual either sign up on messages board for the manufacturer of his equipment. I'm sure they can help him out better than we can. Or, failing that, he will have to hire someone to come wire his system up and configure it.

my two cents.

marcus

sivadselim
02-19-08, 12:06 PM
I would recommend this individual either sign up on messages board for the manufacturer of his equipment. I'm sure they can help him out better than we can.Gee. Sell us short one time why dontcha. :(

MrHifi
02-20-08, 09:51 AM
Hi guys,

I just bought an Integra 9.8 Controller. I have an 8 channel system. I have an HD DVD, A35 and BluRay, BD30. What do I need to playback SACD's?

KMO
02-20-08, 12:45 PM
Neither of those players handle SACD, so you'll need another one. You could either connect it up to the 5.1-channel analogue inputs or over HDMI. Only a few more recent players can output SACD over HDMI - some convert to high-res PCM using HDMI 1.1, others output the original DSD using HDMI 1.2. The Integra will handle either, as far as I can tell.

Oppo, Pioneer and Arcam have HDMI SACD-capable players. Denon and Marantz don't. Don't really know about any other makes.

If you're looking for hi-spec analogue SACD separates, there are such beasties, like the Denon DCD-SA1, but they're all 2-channel only, as far as I've seen. Your easiest bet is a universal DVD-Video/DVD-Audio/SACD player.

sivadselim
02-20-08, 01:19 PM
What do I need to playback SACD's?Your easiest bet is a universal DVD-Video/DVD-Audio/SACD player.Yep. Get a universal player and enjoy DVD-A (while you can), too. If you can connect it via an HDMI connection, the OPPO 980, @ $169, is probably your best option as it will pass SACD as DSD to the Integra. Click HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=957339).

Kal Rubinson
02-20-08, 01:31 PM
Hi guys,

I just bought an Integra 9.8 Controller. I have an 8 channel system. I have an HD DVD, A35 and BluRay, BD30. What do I need to playback SACD's?The most cost-effective solution is to get an Oppo DV-980H which can connect via HDMI for SACD, DVD-A, etc.

See: http://stereophile.com/musicintheround/108mitr/

cissado
03-04-08, 01:49 PM
I have a Pioneer Elite SACD player and a Pioneer Elite Receiver When I play a normal cd it sounds great when I play any SACD - standard or 5.1 it sounds terrible as soon as I turn on the mutli channel option on my receiver it sounds super muffled really terrible please help!



I THINK your Pioneer has it's separate audio calibration menu for this feature. You need to go through that menu and calibrate it from the Player, not from your AV receiver.

I could be wrong, but I think I remember it like that.

Your AV Receiver could be set up correctly, but your player may need setting up.