PARAMOUNT BEKRÆFTER RYGTE

Den er god nok: Steven Spielberg har betinget sig, at Indiana Jones 4 kommer på high definition i Blu-ray version. Hvorvidt den simultant vil udkomme på HD DVD forlyder der ikke noget om.

På Paramounts nordiske præsentation i Göteborg i sidste uge fastholdt administrerende direktør Magnus Hollo, at Paramount eksklusivt supporterer HD DVD, og at alle film i år vil komme på dette hi def format. Det blev vel at mærke understreget umiddelbart efter en præsentation af Alison Casey fra Understandings & Solutions, hvor hun gentog analysebureauets vurdering fra sidste år, nemlig at Blu-ray bliver vinder af formatkrigen. På hendes prognoser forsvinder HD DVD i 2009. Hun antydede, at det kan ske hurtigere endnu.

Source: http://www.he-videotraileren.dk/efter_deadline.htm

Quick translation:

PARAMOUNT CONFIRMS RUMOR:

It's true: Steven Spielberg has determined himself to releasing "Indiana Jones 4" in a Blu-ray High-definition version. There was no information regarding a simultaneous release coming to HD-DVD. No release date was given.

At Paramount's Northern Presentation in Goteborg last week managing director Magnus Hollo confirmed that Paramount is supporting HD-DVD exclusively and that all movies this year will be coming to this format. Immediate after a presentation from Alison Casey from the analysis bureau "Understandings & Solutions", she repeated the assessment made last year that Blu-ray will win. Her projection says HD-DVD will vanish in 2009. She indicated that it might even happen sooner.

Expected move by another Blu-MAN. Hope that it's feature packed.

who's alison casey?

Mr and Mrs Alison Casey is another BLU-WOO(MAN).

I'ld like to see a confirmation of this from a different/reliable source.
J

edit: thanks for the update, i'm looking forward to this and hopefully a release of the other indiana jones movies. some of my favorite movies growing up, interested to see how shia does in this as well

For those that haven't seen it...here's the teaser trailer released today.

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indianajones.html?showVideo=1

Per robster's request:

This is the second time the release has been confirmed. The first was directly confirmed in an interview with Rob Moore, president of Paramount Worldwide Distribution:
I then asked when the INDIANA JONES set would hit and if it would be exclusive to HD. Rob responded that on the films that Steven directs, he wants the titles to be available in both formats - so those will be cross-platform titles.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33722

For those that haven't seen it...here's the teaser trailer released today.

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indianajones.html?showVideo=1

Someone (Joseph) beat you to it:;)

Indiana Jones trailer thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=941222

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Very cool trailer and great news :)

Anybody else here played the game Uncharted, a few things are almsot the same from the game.

Wasn't this confirmed when Paramount went HD DVD "exclusive"? At that time, they specifically mentioned that Spielberg's films would be released however he wanted them released. So... old news? ;) Still exciting... I guess.

Very cool trailer and great news :)

Anybody else here played the game Uncharted, a few things are almsot the same from the game.

Oh yeah! Love that game. A great tribute to adventure films and some of the most fun I've ever had with a game. Very well-made.

I've got both formats, but I'm happy to hear that Indiana Jones is coming to Blu-ray.

Since this is a Spielberg title, does anyone else think Paramount will be strong-armed into putting DTS-HD MA on it?

Oh yeah! Love that game. A great tribute to adventure films and some of the most fun I've ever had with a game.

I've got both formats, but I'm happy to hear that Indiana Jones is coming to Blu-ray.

Since this is a Spielberg title, does anyone else think Paramount will be strong-armed into putting DTS-HD MA on it?

Definitely. Just finished crushing difficulty and ulocked all the extra's as well last week. Problem is I want more now, well they are making Uncharted 2 :D

I hope they don't got DTS-MA unless it is implimented on the PS3. I'd prefer TrueHD or LPCM.

Definitely. Just finished crushing difficulty and ulocked all the extra's as well last week. Problem is I want more now, well they are making Uncharted 2 :DIt can't come soon enough! Uncharted had possibly the best voice acting I've heard in a game.

I hope they don't got DTS-MA unless it is implimented on the PS3. I'd prefer TrueHD or LPCM.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a PCM or TrueHD track with it, judging by what Sony ended up doing with Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Paramount was all set to start using 24-bit PCM before their big switch and have already put TrueHD on a couple of HD DVDs, so I think one or the other might end up being there as well. But you never know.

Just so polished on every aspect.

24 PCM would be sweet! :D

Just so polished on every aspect.

24 PCM would be sweet! :D

Agreed!

Very cool trailer and great news :)

Anybody else here played the game Uncharted, a few things are almsot the same from the game.

The first time I saw Uncharted (in a video) the first thing I thought was how much it resembled Indiana Jones.

It's a Spielberg movie; I guess a DTS track will be there. But I hope like Close Encounter, they put a TrueHD/PCM track as well.
I'll definitely have a player by then that decodes DTS-MA, but TrueHD/PCM makes sure everyone will enjoy the lossless.
Anything less than a 2-disc release is unacceptable.

It's a Spielberg title. I Guarantee it will have DTS MA. Maybe even True HD alongside the DTS MA track like CETK. Lucasfilm will be doing all transfers. Paramount has nothing to do with this except distribution. One thing for sure, don't expect a PCM track. There won't be.

The first time I saw Uncharted (in a video) the first thing I thought was how much it resembled Indiana Jones.

It's a Spielberg movie; I guess a DTS track will be there. But I hope like Close Encounter, they put a TrueHD/PCM track as well.
I'll definitely have a player by then that decodes DTS-MA, but TrueHD/PCM makes sure everyone will enjoy the lossless.
Anything less than a 2-disc release is unacceptable.

Uncharted would make a much better movie than Tomb Raider, reminds me of a more modern day Indy, and a great person to play the part would be Nathan Fillion from FireFly. Loved all the Indy
movies, wife still hasn't seen any of them and she is a Harrison Ford Fan... Well duh!

How about the Indy Younger Years films, I would love to see these on Blu-Ray, but it took the bastards forever to put it out on regular DVD.. Geez!

Yup, a lot of us felt that Uncharted has a very Indy feel long before this trailer.

Uncharted has a 5.1 DTS and 7.1 PCM option;)

How about the Indy Younger Years films, I would love to see these on Blu-Ray, but it took the bastards forever to put it out on regular DVD.. Geez!

Wasnt those mastered in 480i ???

Yep. And they look horrendous on DVD.

Yup, a lot of us felt that Uncharted has a very Indy feel long before this trailer.

Uncharted has a 5.1 DTS and 7.1 PCM option;)
Wow; they used a DTS track in a game?
I can't say that I care about the audio in a game; but it's nice to the quality is getting better and better.

Uncharted would make a much better movie than Tomb Raider, reminds me of a more modern day Indy, and a great person to play the part would be Nathan Fillion from FireFly. Loved all the Indy
movies, wife still hasn't seen any of them and she is a Harrison Ford Fan... Well duh!

How about the Indy Younger Years films, I would love to see these on Blu-Ray, but it took the bastards forever to put it out on regular DVD.. Geez!

Uncharted would make a great movie if they how to do it right. Majority of the games-to-movies suck but Uncharted has the potential.

Wasnt those mastered in 480i ???

I guess they were shot in 16mm and masteretd in SD for DVDs. I can't see them coming to HDM in a near future; probably 5 years from now!

Does anyone know where I can find a 1080P trailer for this movie that I can download and put on my PS3 ? I have found the trailer a few places but my Quicktime wont let me save it.

Thoughts ?

Does anyone know where I can find a 1080P trailer for this movie that I can download and put on my PS3 ? I have found the trailer a few places but my Quicktime wont let me save it.

Thoughts ?

You can download the trailer here in HD resolutions.
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indianajones.html?showVideo=1

Does anyone know where I can find a 1080P trailer for this movie that I can download and put on my PS3 ? I have found the trailer a few places but my Quicktime wont let me save it.Try this:

1. Go to movies.yahoo.com
2. Right-click on the 1080p link and see if it asks you to download "qtlHD.qtl". If so, say yes. If you're running a Mac with OS X, it should do this automatically.
3. Open the "qtlHD.qtl" file in a text editor (Notepad/TextEdit, etc.)
4. Copy everything after <embed src= (without the quotes). It should come out as an URL that starts with http://playlist.yahoo.com and ends with web&pt=rd
5. Paste that into your browser's address line.
6. When it starts to download, hit Escape, then go to "File->Save As..." (depending on your browser.

Voila! You should be able to rename and save the whole movie.

Hah. You guys make things too difficult:

720p trailer (http://downloads.paramount.com//mp/indianajones/trlr1/IJ_KOTCS_trailer1_720p.mov)
1080p trailer (http://downloads.paramount.com//mp/indianajones/trlr1/IJ_KOTCS_trailer1_1080p.mov)

There you go.;)

Nice to have more confirmation. I hope the first three films will be released on BD around the same time, even if that may be too much to ask for at this early stage in BD's market penetration.

Wow; they used a DTS track in a game?

It's generated by the PS3 on the fly.

I expected this to come out, but I also hope the other IJ movies will come out at the same time.

Best place (http://www.drfoster.f2s.com/) on the web for HD trailers.

Thanks guys. I tried a bunch of different ways to get the trailer from yahoo and Paramount and none of them would let me download it.

Now I find myself wondering if the PS3 will play a .mov file. LOL

Now I find myself wondering if the PS3 will play a .mov file. LOL

Nope...the PS3 will not play Quicktime files. It will, however, play an AVC MP4 file created from a re-muxed QT file. First, download this:

http://yamb.unite-video.com/

Second, run the program and select the first option, "Click to create an MP4 file with multiple audio, video, subtitle, and chapters streams." Select the file you want to mux (keep default settings.) In a minute or two you will have an MP4 file you can watch on the PS3 in 1080P.

'Indy 4' trailer 1080P:
http://downloads.paramount.com//mp/indianajones/trlr1/IJ_KOTCS_trailer1_1080p.mov

Enjoyed the trailer. Thanks, Robster.

I'm glad that this will be coming to Blu. And now, after getting a taste of Indy 4, I'm salivating to see - sooner, rather than later - the previous Indy films, which should look spectacular in high-def due to the restoration process by Lowry.

Nope...the PS3 will not play Quicktime files. It will, however, play an AVC MP4 file created from a re-muxed QT file. First, download this:

http://yamb.unite-video.com/

Second, run the program and select the first option, "Click to create an MP4 file with multiple audio, video, subtitle, and chapters streams." Select the file you want to mux (keep default settings.) In a minute or two you will have an MP4 file you can watch on the PS3 in 1080P.

'Indy 4' trailer 1080P:
http://downloads.paramount.com//mp/indianajones/trlr1/IJ_KOTCS_trailer1_1080p.mov

Actually, all you need is Quicktime Pro.

Click the link on Yahoo for the 1080p version. Allow it to fully load, then "Export..." the file. Set the output to MP4, go into the Options and set both Video and Audio to "Pass-through". The video is already in H.264 format, so there's no need to re-encode it. QT will do a quick conversion, basically just putting the video into a MP4 package. Takes no time at all. Pipe it through to the PS3, and you're golden.

Hell, I didn't even bother trying to watch it on my computer.. I just did the above and watched it for the first time on my 47" Westy. :)

As for the topic, I'm already fully expecting the film in Blu-ray. Especially given the current state of the format war. I'm not worried. My only hope is that we get a box set of all four films in Blu. :)

Actually, all you need is Quicktime Pro.

Except that QT Pro isn't free. :D

Also, muxing and encoding are two entirely different things.

P.S. I generally favor Apple.com encodes over Yahoo! Movies ones...I find Apple usually provides higher bitrates and Yahoo trailers often don't play back smoothly on a PS3. Just my experience, but whatever works.

For those that haven't seen it...here's the teaser trailer released today.

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indianajones.html?showVideo=1

Note the brief montages at the beginning of the first 3 films in 1080p. The movies appear to have already been mastered in high def and are ready to go. I hope Spielberg and Lucas give the word earlier rather than later, especially considering how long it took for the first 3 films to reach DVD.

Yep, would be awesome if they released all 4 on BD at the same time!
Figure the fall/winter.

:)

Yep - dream come true!

Note the brief montages at the beginning of the first 3 films in 1080p. The movies appear to have already been mastered in high def and are ready to go.

This has been know all along. All Lowry remastes have been in at least 2k for many years now.

Except that QT Pro isn't free. :D

Also, muxing and encoding are two entirely different things.

P.S. I generally favor Apple.com encodes over Yahoo! Movies ones...I find Apple usually provides higher bitrates and Yahoo trailers often don't play back smoothly on a PS3. Just my experience, but whatever works.

files from yahoo were 95.6 720p and 139.4 mb for 1080p,
from other source were much bigger 169.3 and 296.1 mb

Marek

Actually, all you need is Quicktime Pro.

Click the link on Yahoo for the 1080p version. Allow it to fully load, then "Export..." the file. Set the output to MP4, go into the Options and set both Video and Audio to "Pass-through". The video is already in H.264 format, so there's no need to re-encode it. QT will do a quick conversion, basically just putting the video into a MP4 package. Takes no time at all. Pipe it through to the PS3, and you're golden.

Will it keep the sound in 5.1 though...

Actually, all you need is Quicktime Pro.

Click the link on Yahoo for the 1080p version. Allow it to fully load, then "Export..." the file. Set the output to MP4, go into the Options and set both Video and Audio to "Pass-through". The video is already in H.264 format, so there's no need to re-encode it. QT will do a quick conversion, basically just putting the video into a MP4 package. Takes no time at all. Pipe it through to the PS3, and you're golden.

Hell, I didn't even bother trying to watch it on my computer.. I just did the above and watched it for the first time on my 47" Westy. :)

As for the topic, I'm already fully expecting the film in Blu-ray. Especially given the current state of the format war. I'm not worried. My only hope is that we get a box set of all four films in Blu. :)

thanx for info :) I was always recomputing :) lol

and yeah FULL BOX SET for CHRISTMAS is one nice dream come true :)

Marek

files from yahoo were 95.6 720p and 139.4 mb for 1080p,
from other source were much bigger 169.3 and 296.1 mb

Marek

What are these other sources?

What are these other sources?

let me check where I found them....

Marek

Nope...the PS3 will not play Quicktime files. It will, however, play an AVC MP4 file created from a re-muxed QT file. First, download this:

http://yamb.unite-video.com/

Second, run the program and select the first option, "Click to create an MP4 file with multiple audio, video, subtitle, and chapters streams." Select the file you want to mux (keep default settings.) In a minute or two you will have an MP4 file you can watch on the PS3 in 1080P.

'Indy 4' trailer 1080P:
http://downloads.paramount.com//mp/indianajones/trlr1/IJ_KOTCS_trailer1_1080p.mov


Thanks alot. That is a 5 star helpful post ! It all worked fine except I still had to move it to my PS3 via USB stick as it wouldnt show up over my network for some reason.

Thanks again !

http://www.davestrailerpage.co.uk/


Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Official Website
NEW! Teaser
HD 480P Yahoo ** (36Mb) / Studio (42.5Mb)
HD 720P Yahoo ** (91.2Mb) / Studio (161Mb)
HD 1080P Yahoo ** (133Mb) / Studio (282Mb)


http://downloads.paramount.com//mp/indianajones/trlr1/IJ_KOTCS_trailer1_720p.mov

http://downloads.paramount.com//mp/indianajones/trlr1/IJ_KOTCS_trailer1_1080p.mov

:)
Marek

the cool part of converting .mov to .mp4 to playin the ps3 is the icon actually plays the trailer. you dont get the generic icon as in the trailers downloaded via PSN.

http://www.davestrailerpage.co.uk/

http://downloads.paramount.com//mp/indianajones/trlr1/IJ_KOTCS_trailer1_720p.mov

http://downloads.paramount.com//mp/indianajones/trlr1/IJ_KOTCS_trailer1_1080p.mov

:)
Marek

Thank you!! Using the pass-through option on quicktime will give you 5.1 if the master has it. That's the good news.

The Bad news is that it looks like NONE of the Indy trailers are in 5.1 :(

the cool part of converting .mov to .mp4 to playin the ps3 is the icon actually plays the trailer. you dont get the generic icon as in the trailers downloaded via PSN.

You can do this for any clip. Press 'triangle' at the point you want to start the icon video from and select the 'change icon' option.

Thanks alot. That is a 5 star helpful post ! It all worked fine except I still had to move it to my PS3 via USB stick as it wouldnt show up over my network for some reason.

Thanks again !

You are very welcome! I would just like to add that YAMB also supports multi-channel audio passthru. Try the 1080P trailer for 'Hellboy II' as an example (right-click, save link/target as):

http://movies.apple.com/movies/universal/hellboy_2/hellboy_2-tlr1_h1080p.mov

Thank you!! Using the pass-through option on quicktime will give you 5.1 if the master has it. That's the good news.

The Bad news is that it looks like NONE of the Indy trailers are in 5.1 :(

you are welcome ! :)
hopefully on some new PARAMOUNT Blu-rays :) we will get FULL trailer :) with 5.1 ;)

Marek

Uncharted would make a much better movie than Tomb Raider, reminds me of a more modern day Indy, and a great person to play the part would be Nathan Fillion from FireFly.

That's crazy because when I played the demo the other day, the first thought that came to my head was how much the scenes felt like real movie scenes, followed by the thought that the main character seems exactly like something Nathan Fillion would deliver.

And now, after getting a taste of Indy 4, I'm salivating to see - sooner, rather than later - the previous Indy films, which should look spectacular in high-def due to the restoration process by Lowry.

If anyone has happened to see this weekend, USA has been playing all three in HD and they look fantastic! If they look this good while being compressed on a OTA signal, I imagine they will look amazing on Blu-ray :eek:

If anyone has happened to see this weekend, USA has been playing all three in HD and they look fantastic! If they look this good while being compressed on a OTA signal, I imagine they will look amazing on Blu-ray :eek:

Im watching Temple right now... if there's one thing George knows how to do, its remastering a movie. Even the DVD looks great.

Im watching Temple right now... if there's one thing George knows how to do, its remastering a movie. Even the DVD looks great.


Yup. Looking forward to watching the Indy's again on my XA2. I'll rebuy the Blu-ray versions if they ever get released.

Still exciting.

Note the brief montages at the beginning of the first 3 films in 1080p. The movies appear to have already been mastered in high def and are ready to go. I hope Spielberg and Lucas give the word earlier rather than later, especially considering how long it took for the first 3 films to reach DVD.
I'm watching the 1st 2 in HD on USAHD thank god for BD, HD cable just don't cut it and I only have a 42" screen

Damn, I wasn't home all weekend and I missed the HD broadcasts of the Indy films on USA HD. :(

Damn, I wasn't home all weekend and I missed the HD broadcasts of the Indy films on USA HD. :(

It happens.

Why didn't you set a DVR in advance?

next on scifi hd. on ushd I only caught Raiders!

All three IJ movies were broadcast on ABC in HD in the early 00's, maybe 2000 or 2001.

All three IJ movies were broadcast on ABC in HD in the early 00's, maybe 2000 or 2001.

LOL I didnt even know what 'HD' was back then :D

It happens.

Why didn't you set a DVR in advance?

I didn't have any idea they were going to be broadcast at all? It's not as if I ever watch USA HD or anything...

7 years ago and in HD. Thats like 49 dogs years for gods sake. I wish Lucas would cut the BS and just release this stuff on blu

Will anyone even want Indy 4?

The trailer looks a little boring. It looks like it was all filmed on stage(Lame). I'll wait until I see it to pass judgement though.
I'd me more interested in getting it with the box.

How the hell does George Lucas have control over his films? He was smart enough to negotiate a contract like that?:confused: Kudos to him.

Will anyone even want Indy 4?

The trailer looks a little boring. It looks like it was all filmed on stage(Lame). I'll wait until I see it to pass judgement though.
I'd me more interested in getting it with the box.

How the hell does George Lucas have control over his films? He was smart enough to negotiate a contract like that?:confused: Kudos to him.

I will also wait until I have seen it, but being optimistic, I will probably buy the blu-ray. Hopefully the film itself will be better than the trailer.

Note the brief montages at the beginning of the first 3 films in 1080p. The movies appear to have already been mastered in high def and are ready to go. I hope Spielberg and Lucas give the word earlier rather than later, especially considering how long it took for the first 3 films to reach DVD.

I agree, I hope we hear something from them very soon!

Will anyone even want Indy 4?

The trailer looks a little boring. It looks like it was all filmed on stage(Lame). I'll wait until I see it to pass judgement though.
I'd me more interested in getting it with the box.

How the hell does George Lucas have control over his films? He was smart enough to negotiate a contract like that?:confused: Kudos to him.

I agree.
For some reason, the trailer is just not grabbing me either. I hope I am worried for nothing.
I so loved Raiders of the Lost Ark.
It was the first movie I watched when I finished my theater. Raiders was the first movie I watched when I recently upgraded my projector as well.
I'll no doubt be standing in line when number 4 releases in a few weeks.

They dropped the ball on the first couple of trailers, but this one gives me a lot of hope: (trailer #3)
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/indianajonesandthekingdomofthecrystalskull/hd/

Lets also not forget we're not kids anymore and movies will never affect us the same way they used to (at least my age group).

Umm Paramount says yes....

But I see a big fat LucasFilm branding on IJ4 just like the other three. I think (and just personally) until LucasFilm says OK or releases the other three. Don't bank on IJ4 coming to blu-ray any time soon regardless of what Paramount OR Universal say!

All three IJ movies were broadcast on ABC in HD in the early 00's, maybe 2000 or 2001.

LOL I didnt even know what 'HD' was back then :D

7 years ago and in HD. Thats like 49 dogs years for gods sake. I wish Lucas would cut the BS and just release this stuff on blu
Well, I recorded all those original broadcasts. They were only in 720p, of course. I don't think I still have all three movies anymore, though. They would be great on Blu-ray.

All three are coming on SciFi HD here in a few days (I cant remember exactly which day tho- sorry!). I do have my DVR already set this time so I wont miss them!

Umm Paramount says yes....

But I see a big fat LucasFilm branding on IJ4 just like the other three. I think (and just personally) until LucasFilm says OK or releases the other three. Don't bank on IJ4 coming to blu-ray any time soon regardless of what Paramount OR Universal say!

I don't think Lucasfilm has any say in the matter.

I don't think Lucasfilm has any say in the matter.

Lucasfilm has all the say. That's why Lucas' films have always been released very late in the game, format wise. Paramount is only the distributor, where Lucasfilm actually owns the film.

Lucasfilm has all the say. That's why Lucas' films have always been released very late in the game, format wise. Paramount is only the distributor, where Lucasfilm actually owns the film.

I am always amazed at how many people on the internet know the details of agreements between studios and producers/directors.

I am always amazed at how many people on the internet know the details of agreements between studios and producers/directors.

Considering that Lucas owns the studio, and he has stated on many occasions that they won't be released until he's ready, it doesn't really take extensive brain work. Lucas himself has always been the hold up for his releases.

I am always amazed at how many people on the internet know the details of agreements between studios and producers/directors.

I'm amazed at some people's lack of common knowledge as it's been known for years that Lucas controls and owns all of the Star Wars and first three Indy movies. Period.

Considering that Lucas owns the studio, and he has stated on many occasions that they won't be released until he's ready, it doesn't really take extensive brain work. Lucas himself has always been the hold up for his releases.

Lucasfilm isn't really a studio, it's a production company. It's just that Lucas is so wealthy, he doesn't need a studio to fund his movies, so he just produces his own and then releases them.

But I think people are confusing Star Wars with Indiana Jones. Lucas actually owns the Star Wars movies (with the possible exception of A New Hope). All the Star Wars films were produced solely by his company, except for a New Hope, which was a Fox co-production. All the Indiana Jones movies are Paramount co-productions, meaning Paramoount likley fronted some or all of the money. And since the first Indiana Jones was released in 1981, when Lucas wasn't nearly as wealthy, I suspect Paramount owns the movie. And studios just don't cut deals with directors or producers giving them the rights to movies. Scorsese doesn't own the Departed. James Cameron doesn't own Titanic. Michael Bay doesn't own Transformers. Paramount likely has all the rights and can choose to release what it wants. But if it does release stuff, it would want input from guys like Lucas and Spielberg. And it certainly doesn't want to piss those guys off when they're still putting out viable product.

I'm amazed at some people's lack of common knowledge as it's been known for years that Lucas controls and owns all of the Star Wars and first three Indy movies. Period.

He may own Indiana Jones, I have no idea. If he cobbled enough cash together prior to it's production he could have done it. Logic to me seems its tight to finance both Indiana Jones AND Empire Strikes Back, particularly since he didn't really start to make any money until Star Wars was released in 1977 and pre-production had to start fast on both these films.

I do know he owns the last five star wars films. The first one is still a bit ambigious to me. Logically, Fox should own it, but they could have sold it at anytime. And despite what the internet says, I'd at least look into things to see if hey make sense.

If this were at all the case, why did it take 7 years for the original Indy trilogy to come to DVD? And mysteriously close to the original Star Wars trilogy. Lucas made oodles of money off of the original Star Wars through licensing rights, which Fox had deemed worthless at the time. By 1981 he wasn't hurting for anything.

While Scorcese, Cameron, and Bay are certainly big names, they're not George Lucas. Not even close.

Actually, looking on Wikipedia, it says Paramount fronted all the money for the film, but Lucasfilm took full ownership. That doesn't really make sense (as the studio took all the risk and stood a lesser reward), but it does give a cite and may be true (even if you take everything on Wikipedia with a grain of salt).

If this were at all the case, why did it take 7 years for the original Indy trilogy to come to DVD? And mysteriously close to the original Star Wars trilogy. Lucas made oodles of money off of the original Star Wars through licensing rights, which Fox had deemed worthless at the time. By 1981 he wasn't hurting for anything.

While Scorcese, Cameron, and Bay are certainly big names, they're not George Lucas. Not even close.

I'm just saying that the movie was released in 1981, but obviously went into production well before that. And production means money needs to be paid. And Lucas wasn't making any money until Star Wars was released, and was already financing Empire. It's a small time frame.

I will say Cameron and Bay are more successful financially with their movies than Lucas was back in the late 1970s when Indiana Jones went into production. Lucas has one hit movie at that point, Star Wars. His shrewd business deal earned him tons of money because of it, but it's not like he was a guaranteed hit maker by then.

All three are coming on SciFi HD here in a few days (I cant remember exactly which day tho- sorry!). I do have my DVR already set this time so I wont miss them!
USAHD was not bad! How good is scfi HD transmission?

USAHD was not bad! How good is scfi HD transmission?

USAHD did look great, I just didnt think to DVR them. I wouldnt think that SciFi would look any different but im gonna record them anyways.

I caught some of the USAHD broadcasts this weekend and they were quite enjoyable, for a cable broadcast they were pretty good. Here's hoping the original 3 come out in BLU-RAY reasonably soon.

And despite what the internet says, I'd at least look into things to see if hey make sense.

Evidently you failed to see the 2004 Star Wars DVD documentary where Lucas himself discusses his "ownership" and rights of Star Wars and how it's different now than compared to 1977.

I'm just saying that the movie was released in 1981, but obviously went into production well before that. And production means money needs to be paid. And Lucas wasn't making any money until Star Wars was released, and was already financing Empire. It's a small time frame.

I will say Cameron and Bay are more successful financially with their movies than Lucas was back in the late 1970s when Indiana Jones went into production. Lucas has one hit movie at that point, Star Wars. His shrewd business deal earned him tons of money because of it, but it's not like he was a guaranteed hit maker by then.

Star Wars was released in 1977 and Raiders in 1981. Lucas had made TONS of money in that 4 years. TONS of it.

Raiders had a budget of $20 million. Lucas could have EASILY fronted all of that himself by even 1979.

its common knowledge that Lucas didnt in fact make a ton of money from the initial SW releases but in fact from all the merchandising rights. He is a millionaire times over for all those toys we bought

its common knowledge that Lucas didnt in fact make a ton of money from the initial SW releases but in fact from all the merchandising rights. He is a millionaire times over for all those toys we bought

aren't spielberg and lucas billionaires?

I will say Cameron and Bay are more successful financially with their movies than Lucas was back in the late 1970s when Indiana Jones went into production. Lucas has one hit movie at that point, Star Wars.

Keep in mind that American Grafitti did some pretty serious box office as well. Of course not on par with SW or IJ but not to shabby none the less.

Not sure if there's any truth to this:

http://www.1080b.com/blu-ray/por-fin-la-coleccion-completa-de-indiana-jones-en-blu-ray/49/

Translation: Paramount would be releasing all Indy Jones films in BD on October 29.

it seems it's true, found the source (http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=10686) in blu-ray forums

:eek:

Not sure if there's any truth to this:

http://www.1080b.com/blu-ray/por-fin-la-coleccion-completa-de-indiana-jones-en-blu-ray/49/

Translation: Paramount would be releasing all Indy Jones films in BD on October 29.

Unless I'm mistaken, it says confirmation comes from Paramount's Spanish Division. So unless this website just invents stories for the hell of it, I'd say thats confirmation for Spain at least.

Star Wars was released in 1977 and Raiders in 1981. Lucas had made TONS of money in that 4 years. TONS of it.

Raiders had a budget of $20 million. Lucas could have EASILY fronted all of that himself by even 1979.

I don't know if he could've fronted the money for Raiders back then. Well, he could have, but not Raiders and TESB simultanious. Yes, he made tons of money from ANH, but he was also putting most of that back into TESB and getting his companies off the ground. If I remember right, Lucas had to go to the bank and borrow money because Empire went drastically over-budget, from $20 million to $30 million.

Graffiti made tons of money also, but I think Lucas ended up putting that towards getting ILM started and the production of ANH.

I think I remember him saying that with the production of the SW OT, getting his companies off the ground, building Skywalker Ranch and the divorce, that he was just breaking even until the late 80's.

Star Wars was released in 1977 and Raiders in 1981. Lucas had made TONS of money in that 4 years. TONS of it.

Raiders had a budget of $20 million. Lucas could have EASILY fronted all of that himself by even 1979.

Are you sure about that? He had to go shopping for financing to get The Empire Strikes Back finished, as he didn't have enough money to complete the film.

aren't spielberg and lucas billionaires?

Yeah. There's about 1 billion seperating them. The last I saw, Lucas was around $4 billion and Spielberg around $3 billion.

Not sure if there's any truth to this:

http://www.1080b.com/blu-ray/por-fin-la-coleccion-completa-de-indiana-jones-en-blu-ray/49/

Translation: Paramount would be releasing all Indy Jones films in BD on October 29.

Great!!!

My Spanish is a little rusty (apparently so is Bablefish's)...

Through the Spanish division, Paramount informs to 1080b.com into which already is more than a rumor, the almost definitive confirmation of the cuatrilogía of Indiana Jones in Blu-Ray. You have read well. If everything goes as it is predicted, the 29 of October of this year (right to point for the campaign navideña) our dear doctor Jones goes to the blue format.

Still we do not have specific data of the tracks of sound nor of the extras, since still we are to 6 months of the launching, but everything aims at that the extras will be conserved that or have appeared in the present reediciones in DVD, and some will be added that another one “caramelito” exclusive of the format.

The four films will leave as much separately as in pack really appetizing of which any detail has still not occurred, although we hoped that a fifth or sixth Blu-Ray with documentary and extra special is included.

Indiana Jones: In search of the lost coffer
Indiana Jones and the damn temple
Indiana crossed Jones and the last one
Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull
Cuatrilogía Indiana Jones
My personal favorite... "Indiana Jones and the Damn Temple" :p

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=110295&d=1210721279

This is great news ! This is the credibility boost that BD needs IMO.

Art

This thread was entirely boring, until this post.

Indiana Jones: In search of the lost coffer
Indiana Jones and the damn temple
Indiana crossed Jones and the last one
Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull

This thread was entirely boring, until this post.

Indiana Jones: In search of the lost coffer
Indiana Jones and the damn temple
Indiana crossed Jones and the last one
Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull

:D
Honestly.. thats Bablefish's translation. Im a little disappointed it got Crystal Skull right.

Something else I've noticed which has made me quite excited is that there is an average of at least one BD title each week that I'd like to see.

Art

Something else I've noticed which has made me quite excited is that there is an average of at least one BD title each week that I'd like to see.

Art

Good to hear Art. I know you were a little hesitant about Blu-ray and the classics.

Something else I've noticed which has made me quite excited is that there is an average of at least one BD title each week that I'd like to see.

Art

Very true, and now Cool Hand Luke is coming as well!!!

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

Updated. Paramount is denying any knowledge of Indy coming to Blu-ray.

I just received confirmation from a reliable home video industry source that Crystal Skull is slated for release in November with a list price of $29.99

bah why such a bloody long wait. I hope they at least release all four at once.

I just received confirmation from a reliable home video industry source that Crystal Skull is slated for release in November with a list price of $29.99

I believe we're getting it, but I'd be surprised if it was $29.99 (the list price of a single-disc DVD release). Paramount typically prices their new releases at $39.99, and I doubt they'd change that for this.

Then again, could this be a sign that they're going to charge less for all new releases?

I believe we're getting it, but I'd be surprised if it was $29.99 (the list price of a single-disc DVD release). Paramount typically prices their new releases at $39.99, and I doubt they'd change that for this.

Then again, could this be a sign that they're going to charge less for all new releases?

I do know for a fact that this will be the MSRP for retailers, the actual SALE price should be lower.

If it's a worldwide release, October 29th is gonna be one hell of a swell day.

I believe we're getting it, but I'd be surprised if it was $29.99 (the list price of a single-disc DVD release). Paramount typically prices their new releases at $39.99, and I doubt they'd change that for this.

Then again, could this be a sign that they're going to charge less for all new releases?

Well, since BD isn't really taking off, maybe a big Q4 push with lower prices on players and software and some killer titles.

:)

Paramount was very big with low-priced releases in the early days of video tape. When most Beta/VHS movies were US$70 and up and sold primarily to individual rental stores (way before Blockbuster and Hollywood Video existed), Paramount priced Star Trek II at $39.95, the first "under" $40 tape. Later, they released Raiders Of The Lost Ark for $29.95, the first "under" $30 tape. It is entirely possible they might want to boost Blu-ray sales with a low price on IJ4.

funny how in a small time frame people forget.

guy.

Seeing as people forgot!

Universal JAPAN also had Jurassic Park, Jaws, etc slated for release "soon". Then the swift hand of Steven S came and set them in place. Literally until you hear Steve or George say they are. Take it with a teaspoon of salt as that is all it is.


http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

Updated. Paramount is denying any knowledge of Indy coming to Blu-ray.

Of course, see my above statement.

Paramount also denied going to BluRay.

I hope we see these this year...but those covers are clearly fakes - Indy 4 has the same spine image as Indy 3.

Didn't a bunch of people get fooled last year by some Spanish site pulling an April fools joke on some day other than April 1 because they do it on a different day in Spain? I think they were shlocking a bogus Star Wars disk then.

I do know for a fact that this will be the MSRP for retailers, the actual SALE price should be lower.

I know the difference between MSRP and sale price. I hope you're right, because it would be the lowest-priced day and date major studio title yet.

I believe we're getting it, but I'd be surprised if it was $29.99 (the list price of a single-disc DVD release). Paramount typically prices their new releases at $39.99, and I doubt they'd change that for this.

Then again, could this be a sign that they're going to charge less for all new releases?

Maybe the MAP is 29.95 but the MSRP should be $39.95 since it's Paramount new release.

Paramount also denied going to BluRay.


Paramount abroad gets thier orders from only one place, PARAMOUNT USA.

Same as Universal JAPAN. Universal USA is thier boss.

/speculative thread

Paramount abroad gets thier orders from only one place, PARAMOUNT USA.

Same as Universal JAPAN. Universal USA is thier boss.Not even remotely true.

Paramount Japan and Paramount US are two complete separate organizations that fall under a parent organization (Viacom). Same thing with Universal Japan/US and GE. If what you posit is true, then Disney shouldn't have been able to release "Face/Off" (a Paramount release in the US) in Japan, to provide an example.

Not even remotely true.

Paramount Japan and Paramount US are two complete separate organizations that fall under a parent organization (Viacom). Same thing with Universal Japan/US and GE. If what you posit is true, then Disney shouldn't have been able to release "Face/Off" (a Paramount release in the US) in Japan, to provide an example.


Many times studios share distribution rights from country to country.

bah why such a bloody long wait. I hope they at least release all four at once.

November would be 6 months from its theatrical release, pretty typical for a movie that doesn't tank at the box office. An Indy film would have to suck really, really hard for it to not have box office legs.

Look how well Phantom Menace did after 16 years of anticipation, and it was hardly top-notch.

I would think Crystal Skulls would be a day-and-date release with the DVD. They might make us wait for the others, but it would be nice. I think a lot more people would buy players knowing they were coming for Christmas. Then Star Wars could come Christmas 2009.

Not sure if there's any truth to this:

http://www.1080b.com/blu-ray/por-fin-la-coleccion-completa-de-indiana-jones-en-blu-ray/49/

Translation: Paramount would be releasing all Indy Jones films in BD on October 29.

Apparently the spanish website jumped the gun...Paramount has no plans of releasing this on Blu-ray just yet...the update on no October 29th release is in english as well...look at the link i quoted!:mad:

here I'll help along


Paramount España se ha puesto en contacto con nosotros para desmentir esta noticia, ya que en estos momentos las fechas de lanzamiento no son oficiales ni están confirmadas por parte de la propia Paramount.

English translation

Paramount Spain has recently contacted us to retract this news since, at this instant, the launch date are NOT official and this news has not been confirmed by Paramount.

I forewarned you guys. Paramount USA is the go, no go but worse yet is that Lucas Film is the real yay or nay!

Isn't this a Speilberg title? AFAIK, the bastard hasn't let even one of his titles get released on Blu-Ray so far :(

Isn't this a Speilberg title? AFAIK, the bastard hasn't let even one of his titles get released on Blu-Ray so far :(

Close Encounters is the only one so far.

It may be a Spielberg directed movie, but it's still Lucas' property overall.

Source: http://www.he-videotraileren.dk/efter_deadline.htm

Quick translation:
Paramount has confirmed nothing, if they had it would be news on thedigitalbits.com
High-Def Digest, blu-ray.com plus amazon.com so until it's officially confirmed by paramount they thread should be locked.

Paramount has confirmed nothing, if they had it would be news on thedigitalbits.com
High-Def Digest, blu-ray.com plus amazon.com so until it's officially confirmed by paramount they thread should be locked.

I take it you missed the rest of the thread? :)

My guess is that the interest will drop considerably after this fall so they had better release all 4 titles then.

People are getting saturated with many of these titles. I think Star Wars has about run its course (at least for a number of years) and Indy will soon be doing the same.

My guess is that the interest will drop considerably after this fall so they had better release all 4 titles then.

This was my thinking as well. In fact, I surmised that, unless Lucas and Spielberg had another trilogy in mind, releasing the original trilogy during the fourth quarter was the logical move. There are now rumblings that they do, in fact, have another trilogy in mind. If that's the case, then it may make more financial sense for them to wait until Blu-ray Disc has more market penetration. As to whether or not it makes sense to have another Indiana Jones trilogy at all, I guess I will reserve judgment until I have seen IJ: KotCS.

Not for anything but they JUST Re-rereleased the INDIVIDUAL DVD's this WEEK! Mind you we are talking the lowly DVD and just now they are getting individual treatments? You guys sure carry lots of hope and that is a good thing but you will be disappointed.

Decado2

the LucasFilm LTD logo makes it a George Lucas Property not Steven Speilberg and not Paramount.

See attachment.

-Figgie

It may be a Spielberg directed movie, but it's still Lucas' property overall.

I think Indy 4 is a Speilberg film actually (unlike the first three movies).

I think Indy 4 is a Speilberg film actually (unlike the first three movies).

No

see that attachement I put in my post. Lucas property. LucasFilm LTD = GL not SS.

SS = Amblin Entertainment.

No

see that attachement I put in my post. Lucas property. LucasFilm LTD = GL not SS.No, that makes it a LucasFilm production, not property. Big difference. Lucas does not have final word on release for these films, and even if he did, he'd alienate himself from pretty much the entire movie industry by going against the wishes of Spielberg (whatever they may be).
SS = Amblin Entertainment.From IMDB: (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367882/companycredits)

Production Companies

* Kerner Optical
* Paramount Pictures
* Lucasfilm
* Amblin Entertainment
* Santo Domingo Film & Music Video

No, that makes it a LucasFilm production, not property. Big difference. Lucas does not have final word on release for these films, and even if he did, he'd alienate himself from pretty much the entire movie industry by going against the wishes of Spielberg (whatever they may be).
From IMDB: (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367882/companycredits)

Production Companies

* Kerner Optical
* Paramount Pictures
* Lucasfilm
* Amblin Entertainment
* Santo Domingo Film & Music Video

you underestimate the SS+GL mentality. They do as they wish. Alienate? GL and SS. You must be in another reality as they can probably take a massive ummm, #2, on hollywood and hollywood would welcome them back. That is how much stroke these two gents carry.

So even worse. Both GL and SS. Great!

So we know Paramount just shot down the spanish folks down. So hope still says Q3/Q4 FY08?

First of all, you've been proven wrong on most, if not all, of your assumptions. Second, I was talking Lucas vs. Spielberg, not plus Spielberg. One alienating the other sets much of Hollywood against the attempted thief. Third, no one "shot down" the Spanish news reports. The reports were from their version of April Fool's. Last year it was "Star Wars".

Please, just go learn more about the film industry and its terminology, and come back to this thread when you can admit when you've been wrong,

First of all, you've been proven wrong on most, if not all, of your assumptions. Second, I was talking Lucas vs. Spielberg, not plus Spielberg. One alienating the other sets much of Hollywood against the attempted thief. Third, no one "shot down" the Spanish news reports. The reports were from their version of April Fool's. Last year it was "Star Wars".

Please, just go learn more about the film industry and its terminology, and come back to this thread when you can admit when you've been wrong,

based on what facts? Now I am expecting a Quote from me. I'll be waiting on those "wrong" assumptions, which I know where you will attempt to go, but thankfully I chose my words very carefully because of posters such as yourself that love to twist things around or even read into more than what is typed in black and white. So start looking and I expect that post here.


Also seems like you español is lacking as Paramount did infact shoot them down.

now let me get my popcorn while you dig.

The links are already there, but by all means continue to jump down everybody's throats in this thread. It only serves to alienate you further and add your name to more ignore lists.

The links are already there, but by all means continue to jump down everybody's throats in this thread. It only serves to alienate you further and add your name to more ignore lists.

alienate me? ohh nos! :eek:

Yes I will make sure to make a mental no......oohh a quarter! :cool:

Now let me go hope to the GL and SS deities for Schindler's list and all movies GL and SS. They have been slacking as of late.. save for the Indie reissue.

Just watching what I assume is the re-mastered version of The Last Crusade on OTA HD channel. It looks very nice. I'd pick these up, but I'm sure an announcement for the BDs will come soon enough.

how abt casper, was not that UNIVERSAL's?

It would be nice to have them on Blu-ray. Especially the latest film with the last 20 or so minutes. Some awesome surrounds and in the last 5-8 minutes some very nice subwoofer action to be felt.

Saw it at work this afternoon :)

Just saw Indy 4 in theaters and can't wait for a BD of it or any of the prior 3. Really good! A bit heavy on the CG, but it is more about the style of the film than anything else. Has a glow to everything. People here might complain about halos! :D

how abt casper, was not that UNIVERSAL's?

LOVE Casper!

:)

Can't wait for BDs of all four... Well, maybe minus Temple of Doom, which after seeing Crystal Skulls is STILL my least favourite. Number 4 was pretty good, the only problem being the second half of the movie was nowhere near as fun as the first. Best part: I didn't care the Harrison Ford was older; he still felt perfect as Indy.

The first three IJ movies are just now available on SD-DVD to coincide with the IJ4.

I would think that any confirmed 'rumors' of BD releases of the same movies would stifle sales of the SD-DVDs as consumers would waffle and wait on what to buy DVD or BD.

jmho,
Erik

They are NOT just now available for the first time, they came out with a box set like 4 or 5 years ago!

A new release with new extras just came out.

Close Encounters is the only one so far [to be released on BD].

Don't forget his segment in the Twilight Zone movie :p

A new release with new extras just came out.


Sorry, that's what I meant - the 'new' set.

As a relatively new BD collector, I saw this come out and questioned the timing now that BD is slowly gaining momentum.

I'm sure there are other consumers like me that will waffle and wait for the BD and let this SD-DVD offering go by.

Could be just me, though ;)

Erik

Having seen Indy 4, I can say I won't bother with the BD. The lamest movies I've seen in a long time. Absolutely horrible.

That said, I'm in line for 1-3 on BD.

A new release with new extras just came out.
Sorry, that's what I meant - the 'new' set.

As a relatively new BD collector, I saw this come out and questioned the timing now that BD is slowly gaining momentum.
I'm questioning it also.

I've only been collecting BDs since February, and despite not seeing the Indiana Jones films (I've only seen bits and pieces on TV), I was going to pick up the BD releases of the three Indiana Jones films so I could catch up for the latest Indiana Jones film when it comes out on BD (I don't go to the theatres anymore. It's hard to get to the theatres all the time when you're in a wheelchair). No such luck, however.

I would've thought it would be the perfect time for Indiana Jones on Blu-ray.

I'm sure there are other consumers like me that will waffle and wait for the BD and let this SD-DVD offering go by.

Could be just me, though ;)

Erik
I'm waiting with you. Considering the new DVD set doesn't even include all of the special features from the 2003 collection, I have no problem waiting.

Despite some customers waiting it out, I think a lot of people probably picked up the new set if they didn't buy the one back in 2003. It gives the customers even less interest in Blu-ray and that isn't good. If they don't release the other Indiana Jones films on BD the same day as the fourth one, I don't know if we'll ever see it.

I'm hoping I never have to lay eyes on any Indy films again..They are history!

Is that an archeology joke, or are you really dismissing one of the most best blockbuster trilogies in the world?

Having seen Indy 4, I can say I won't bother with the BD. The lamest movies I've seen in a long time. Absolutely horrible.

That said, I'm in line for 1-3 on BD.

Sort of agree with you there but I am sure it will probably come in a boxset anyway so you get it regardless. What a dissapointing movie Indy 4, I thought it was an average film in general, and the worst of the series compared to the rest. George Lucas must of been responsible for all the bad bits :rolleyes:

I loved IJ4, second fav of the series for me. Can't wait to see and hear this on BD (better have lossless sound).

Having seen Indy 4, I can say I won't bother with the BD. The lamest movies I've seen in a long time. Absolutely horrible.

That said, I'm in line for 1-3 on BD.

I wouldn't say THE lamest I've seen but I was disappointed!

I would still but it if Paramount releases it with the Trilogy.

I'll buy it for Cate Blanchett in HD; that is all.

I'll buy it for Cate Blanchett in HD

No way would I buy it just for that.

The movie has some serious LFE. I'll pick it up just for that.

The entire 2nd hour is one action sequence. The intro was the best part of the film though.

It won't impress people much, because Spielberg personally adds grain. I didn't care for the soft lighting either. I really liked the movie though, it was better than The Terminal.

OMG the story ROFL. I knew what was in the box from the beginning, the entire time I was hoping I was wrong. I loved the ending because it was so damned contrived.

I think I liked National Treasure 2 more than Indy.:eek: Also Indy 4 had way too much CGI and it sticks out like crazy. Why does older CG work look better? The dinos from JP... the bugs from ST all look completely natural. And Cate Blanchett was looking hawt.

I wouldn't say THE lamest I've seen but I was disappointed!

I would still but it if Paramount releases it with the Trilogy.

But i would still call it LAMEST! what a disappointment. I knew Spielberg was running bottom low on creativity but was :eek:to see how badly he blew this one off!

I'll be happy with triology!

I never bought 5th Harry Potter either.

Actually I would say that from the 4 films, Crystal Skull probably has the most plausible plot. At least in my book.

I sure hope the PQ on the BD is better than what I saw in the theater. Image was very soft (perhaps intentionally), washed out/faded with blown out highlights. Sound wan't that impressive either. Ironman quality was a lot better in the same theater.

Having seen Indy 4, I can say I won't bother with the BD. The lamest movies I've seen in a long time. Absolutely horrible.

That said, I'm in line for 1-3 on BD.

As expected, this movie was a disappointment to me as well. I always thought that The Last Crusade made for a perfect conclusion to the series, and I still feel this way.

I wont buy it for I do not recognize it as part of the Trilogy.

I am barely going to give it credit to be an actual film.

Embarrassing for Spielberg and Lucas.

I loved IJ4, second fav of the series for me. Can't wait to see and hear this on BD (better have lossless sound).

You seriously liked INDY IV better than either LAST CRUSADE or TEMPLE OF DOOM? Just curious but I'd like to know why you'd feel that way...for me this movie couldn't hold a candle to any of the earlier films in terms of characters, action, story, romance, effects, believability, cinematography, direction or anything else that might matter in the filmmaking process.

Actually I would say that from the 4 films, Crystal Skull probably has the most plausible plot. At least in my book.

How is it more "realistic" than TEMPLE OF DOOM? At least that movie formed the basis for its premise in actual fact (the Thuggee cult). But I guess if you believe in aliens and UFO's it's more "plausible." LOL. :p

As expected, this movie was a disappointment to me as well. I always thought that The Last Crusade made for a perfect conclusion to the series, and I still feel this way.

I could not agree more with you: The Last Crusade is not only my favorite Indy movie, it's one of my all time favorites. ;)

What an amazing movie with an amazin' end to the series!

(note that it also marks the end of the THX WOW trailer, the best movie montage ever assembled IMO).


I wont buy it for I do not recognize it as part of the Trilogy.

I am barely going to give it credit to be an actual film.

Embarrassing for Spielberg and Lucas.

+1

You seriously liked INDY IV better than either LAST CRUSADE or TEMPLE OF DOOM? Just curious but I'd like to know why you'd feel that way...for me this movie couldn't hold a candle to any of the earlier films in terms of characters, action, story, romance, effects, believability, cinematography, direction or anything else that might matter in the filmmaking process.

I would inquire the same question.



I think I liked National Treasure 2 more than Indy.:eek: Also Indy 4 had way too much CGI and it sticks out like crazy. Why does older CG work look better? The dinos from JP... the bugs from ST all look completely natural. And Cate Blanchett was looking hawt.

That was the biggest drawback for me. Why the heck do they have to plague the movie with crappy CGI. I hate fake CGI and also can't understand how movies from the past decade blow away the new stuf; think about T2, True Lies, Jurassic Park, Starship Troopers and even Twister.

And what to make of that Spielberg claim they would keep CG effects at minimum.

I sort of wonder what it would it be like if they were to actually 'use it'. Guess even Indy would be a CG character then, huh? And maybe it's not so far off (on the next one perhaps?)

Shouldn't this be in an Indy review thread in the movies section...?

Wow is it really that bad. I have been hanging out to see this. Will be a huge letdown if this is true.
I really do love the Indie Movies and rate them as some of my all time favorite Dvd's.

Do I believe aliens are more likely to exist than the ability to rip out a man's beating heart and the guy not dying.... yes!

Indy 4 plain out sucked, it was even worse than spidey 3 and pirates 3.
Lucas must have been smoking crack when he wrote the script.

To each thier own, I loved this movie. Day one buy for me :)

To each thier own, I loved this movie. Day one buy for me :)

Agreed. The most fun I've had at the movies in quite some time. Like all Indy movies, they are over the top entertainment. How could you pick National Treasure 2 over this? It's Indy! I care about him, I couldn't care less about Nic Cage and whatever half-baked characters they come up with.

Indy 4 was great, and I loved the ending. It came around full circle from Raiders and was a nice, emotional finish. I tire of the constant Lucas/Spielberg bashing. People would rip on this no matter what, they all have some story in their heads of how it should go. Since it will never match that, it's automatically bad.

I'll never understand it. Definite BR buy for me! :)

I saw I4 for the second time today (I hated it the first time). I actually found myself pretty entertained the second time through, and I can actually say I enjoyed it. It's still nowhere near the originals in any aspect. I hated how Indy seemed like a tourist through his own movie in the second half, the overuse of CGI (despite Spielberg saying it would be used only when absolutely necessary), and the one scene with Shia that still made me want to scratch out my eyes (I'm sure you know which one I'm talking about). But when I knew what to expect I enjoyed it quite a bit more.

I saw I4 for the second time today (I hated it the first time). I actually found myself pretty entertained the second time through, and I can actually say I enjoyed it. It's still nowhere near the originals in any aspect. I hated how Indy seemed like a tourist through his own movie in the second half, the overuse of CGI (despite Spielberg saying it would be used only when absolutely necessary), and the one scene with Shia that still made me want to scratch out my eyes (I'm sure you know which one I'm talking about). But when I knew what to expect I enjoyed it quite a bit more.
Who would spend $10x2 for this with sensible mind? not me! just kidding!:D

Do I believe aliens are more likely to exist than the ability to rip out a man's beating heart and the guy not dying.... yes!

I'm with you here. I heard someone complaining about the "realism" of the movie at the theater and even more negative things online. They're not complaining about how they didn't die 5 times in the movie because the action was over the top in the previous films and they didn't die there. It seems like people just need to do more reading about these so called "gray aliens" and their role in ancient history. "Someone came...and taught them farming, irrigation"...and from the looks of all the early cave drawings from the EARLIEST civilizations- it's just as plausible as the Ark of the Covenant or the Holy Grail. I had fun with the movie, but definitely agree that Lucas probably pushed for most of the lame crap in this one.

I liked it as well and apparently I am not the only one. It took in over 151,000,000 in 5 days. http://www.the-numbers.com/

Indy 4 plain out sucked, it was even worse than spidey 3 and pirates 3.
Lucas must have been smoking crack when he wrote the script.

Harsh... Spidey and Pirates 3 are two of the biggest disappointments in recent memory and IMO Indy 4 doesn't come near the level of sloppy that those films did. If Crystal Skull comes on blu-ray, I'm buying it day 1. I've seen it twice, was even better the second time, and I'll probably see it a few more times in theatres!

Harsh... Spidey and Pirates 3 are two of the biggest disappointments in recent memory and IMO Indy 4 doesn't come near the level of sloppy that those films did. If Crystal Skull comes on blu-ray, I'm buying it day 1. I've seen it twice, was even better the second time, and I'll probably see it a few more times in theatres!

Agreed. Indy4 is better than Spidey 3 and alot better than Pirates 3. I just think Indy4 should stick more to historical plot, it is more like a sci-fi movie now. And I am sure it will do really well in box office, lots of entertainment values.

I just think Indy4 should stick more to historical plot, it is more like a sci-fi movie now. A

This is an example of what I was talking about in my earlier post.

I sure hope the PQ on the BD is better than what I saw in the theater. Image was very soft (perhaps intentionally), washed out/faded with blown out highlights. Sound wan't that impressive either. Ironman quality was a lot better in the same theater.

I agree, with the sound, and it's funny because I saw Indy in a BETTER movie theater, and the sound was a lot worse, though the movie looked much better (because the other theater's screen had white lines running through it for Iron Man, it was bad)

I agree, with the sound, and it's funny because I saw Indy in a BETTER movie theater, and the sound was a lot worse, though the movie looked much better (because the other theater's screen had white lines running through it for Iron Man, it was bad)

Saw INDY 4 and IRON MAN at Ziegfeld in NYC. This this pretty much the only theater left in NYC that pretty much guarantees a topnotch AV presentation.

IRON MAN was a digital presentation. Beautiful looking but the soundtrack was kind of bland. I thought it was the surround system at Ziegfeld (gasp!) but confirmed it at 2 other random theaters. Bland.

As for INDY 4, it was a showprint 35mm. To the previous poster noticing the blown out whites and soft palate, this is intentional to convey the old film's DP style. The previous DP for the trilogy, Douglas Slocombe, passed away. Spielberg's current DP for years has been Janusz Kaminski. Janusz studied the DP style of the previous 3 films and adapted it to INDY 4. Spielberg has a tendency to let the 'technologically enlightened' audience know he is indeed shooting on film, not digital. Grain, blown out whites and soft palate (all elements of shooting on film) is ever-present in War Of The Worlds, Saving Ryan, Minority Report, A.I, to name a few.

I thought for the most part, it did remind me of the old films, visually. Beautiful to look at with warm hues, natural flesh tones, beautiful film stock.

Now, could all of this been replicated digitally? Someone ask George....

Regarding the soundtrack, here's my two cents. If anyone really recalls Spielberg soundtracks (many done by Gary Rydstrom), they weren't an assault on your ears 100% of the time. They were carefully mixed, with just the right amount of 'umph' at the appropriate times. During action sequences, the surrounds and LFE were used proficiently but when the scene was more dialog driven, the soundfield would revert to the front 3. The rears were used for ambient purposes. The mixers have a less-is more approach to his films which is fine by me. For me, it seems to be a more realistic approach. The soundfield can at times, remove you from the illusion of being within a film. A soundtrack has always been more effective when it envelops you, makes you feel like you're within the film. Not having a space ship fly to LS then pan to RS at full range. Yeah, don't get me wrong, it's cool when soundtracks do that, but therre's a reason why Gary Rydstrom did Spielberg films and many of the PIXAR films. Very classy stuff

Once the official press release annoucing the release on Blu Ray is issued, we can start a new thread....since this one has turned into a debate on the film