I purchased this title off Amazon only to find that it's not DVD-A but DTS. Apparently there is no DVD-A releas of this title, only a SACD version. I guess I should have known since my DOFP is SACD.

Complained to Amazon and all they did was admit their error and send me another copy of the DTS version!

Before I proceed down a protracted e-mail communication with Amazon, should I just be done with it. Is the DTS version okay or should I in fact send them all back and get the SACD version from Amazon (UK) which has much better prices for UK titles than the US site. AQ is of interest but it looks like the SACD has more content?

Before I proceed down a protracted e-mail communication with Amazon, should I just be done with it. Is the DTS version okay or should I in fact send them all back and get the SACD version from Amazon (UK) which has much better prices for UK titles than the US site. AQ is of interest but it looks like the SACD has more content?Well, how does the DTS version sound (probably a stupid question as you probably haven't opened it)? Can you play it in 2-channel if desired as you would be able with the SACD?

Yes, the 7th Sojourn SACD, as you know, has *bonus* material, just as your DOFP SACD.

If you can wait it out, I'd try exchanging it for the SACD. The cost shouldn't be too different.

BTW, do you have any of the other Moodies SACDs? Because, if DOFP is the only one you have, all the other titles should be purchased prior to 7th Sojourn (just my opinion, of course). :)

Well, how does the DTS version sound (probably a stupid question as you probably haven't opened it)? Can you play it in 2-channel if desired as you would be able with the SACD?

Yes, the 7th Sojourn SACD, as you know, has *bonus* material, just as your DOFP SACD.

If you can wait it out, I'd try exchanging it for the SACD. The cost shouldn't be too different.

BTW, do you have any of the other Moodies SACDs? Because, if DOFP is the only one you have, all the other titles should be purchased prior to 7th Sojourn (just my opinion, of course). :)

Actually the SACD is about $29, the DTS is about $14.

And I don't have any of the other titles - maybe I should? And I also have not cracked open the shrink wrap on the SS

And I don't have any of the other titles - maybe I should?Well, I don't want to start an argument, but, IMO, SS is the worst of the SACDs that is available. It has their "hit" I'm Just a Singer (in a Rock-n-Roll Band but I don't think any Moodies fans would say that that is a must-have song. I would definitely get one of the others before SS. Bear in mind that ISOTLC is only 2-channel as they lost the multitracks. Still a great album. I'd get it and/or OTTOAD or TOCCC next. AQOB is great, too, and may be my personal favorite.

My $0.02, of course.

I could never recommend the Moodies sacd releases. I have QOB and OTTOAD. The 5.1 mixes are in my top 5 most disappointing surround mixes out of my 70 plus surround albums.

I could never recommend the Moodies sacd releases. I have QOB and OTTOAD. The 5.1 mixes are in my top 5 most disappointing surround mixes out of my 70 plus surround albums.Well, I HAVE often seen these SACDs criticized, but I've never noticed the problems with them that most people claim. They sound great to me for their age.

Some will like them. Some won't. Hard to say how you'll feel about them until you play them on you system. Borrowing a copy if possible would be ideal.

Some will like them. Some won't. Hard to say how you'll feel about them until you play them on you system. Borrowing a copy if possible would be ideal.They DO sound representatively similar, Ichiu7, so if DOFP, the oldest one, sounds alright to you, the others will, too.

They DO sound representatively similar, Ichiu7, so if DOFP, the oldest one, sounds alright to you, the others will, too.

I really enjoy DOFP. The commentary out of the right rear speaker is a bit strange but I am guessing that's how it was mixed.

I ordered SS on SACD from Amazon UK since it was much cheaper than the US store. Now I will have two(!) copies of SS on DTS I have to get rid of :-)

With regards to DoFP, I think the DTS-CD is the superior version. I have not yet compared the SS discs. When A/Bing the DTS-CD to the SACD, I notice the SACD is clearly lacking in the upper-frequencies, veiled I guess. Something about the SACD just doesn't sit well, a lack of punch and dynamics, it's as if they got too friendly with the NR because the sound lacks dimension to my ears. The processed sound just isn't there in the DTS-CD; it's clearly a more natural, balanced, dynamic sound.

I guess it depends on how big a MB fan you are. I'm not a big fan, but my wife is, so I own both versions. :D For the sake of my collection, there are merits to having both.

JMO,
Josh

With regards to DoFP, I think the DTS-CD is the superior version. I have not yet compared the SS discs. When A/Bing the DTS-CD to the SACD, I notice the SACD is clearly lacking in the upper-frequencies, veiled I guess. Something about the SACD just doesn't sit well, a lack of punch and dynamics, it's as if they got too friendly with the NR because the sound lacks dimension to my ears. The processed sound just isn't there in the DTS-CD; it's clearly a more natural, balanced, dynamic sound.

I guess it depends on how big a MB fan you are. I'm not a big fan, but my wife is, so I own both versions. :D For the sake of my collection, there are merits to having both.

JMO,
Josh

Hard to explain. The SACD I presume comes from the same master as the DTS version but with the benefits of lossless audio and possibly extra processing in the digital domain prior to final mastering.

The DTS version will necessarily be lossy - no matter how good DTS algorithms are, there must be a difference, however small, between the DTS version and the original master tapes. And the lossy processing can actually add some signal artifacts which are not in the original tape which might explain the differences you hear.

Larry

Hard to explain.


Hi Larry,

Not sure myself; I can only report what I hear and everyone's ears, equipment, and opinions/preferences are different. Though I know I'm not the only one who prefers the DTS-CD, others prefer the SACD and that's cool. Please don't take my word for it, obviously, but I would encourage you to try both. I'm sure you could get a fair return on your used DTS-CD should you decide to sell it.

Enjoy listening to the music!
Josh :)

I guess each to their own. I have never had the chance to compare the DTS versions of DOFP with the SACD. But I soon will be able to compare the DTS and SACD versions of SS and decide if I hear a difference or not.

Larry

I guess each to their own. I have never had the chance to compare the DTS versions of DOFP with the SACD. But I soon will be able to compare the DTS and SACD versions of SS and decide if I hear a difference or not.As far as I know, the mixes of the Moodies SACDs are completely different from the DTS discs' mixes. The SACDs were made from the original quad tracks.

Honestly, I've never really critically compared my DoFP DTS to the SACD, though.

As far as I know, the mixes of the Moodies SACDs are completely different from the DTS discs' mixes. The SACDs were made from the original quad tracks.

Honestly, I've never really critically compared my DoFP DTS to the SACD, though.

So were the DTS CD's - Brad Miller wouldn't have allowed anything to be changed.

I have both the DTS and the SACD versions of Seventh Sojourn in 5.1 The DTS version is inferior. The high frequencies are grossly overemphasized and the limitations of the lossy DTS format are obvious. In another forum, a couple of members stated that the DTS version of SS didn't sound very good. I would recommend that you replace it with the SACD.

And yes, the other MB titles do sound a bit better in 5.1 compared to SS, but the 5.1 of SS is superior to the 2-channel mix as you cannot cram 5 lbs of music into a 2 lb bag and expect the same results.

I haven't heard the DTS's but on the SACD's, I have to turn the sub WAY up.
Then all is good.