Its not 20k but if I posted this anywhere else Id get laughed off the board.

Anyone own this (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&productId=8198552921665327724&langId=-1) set yet. I did find a few locations selling it.
A few images here (http://www.infosyncworld.com/digital_home/sony_xel-1.html?n=0).
At $2500 for an 11" display is a little rad but who will be the first?

Id really be pissed if I bought this then 6 months later they come with a 11.5" model:)

I'm not laughing but you're right ,one million to one by itself wouldn't be enough bragging rights.:D

Art

Art. You need to have this for your remote control screen. I have seen it.

It is way cool. I'll see it again a week from Weds at the Sony show in Vegas. I'll probably buy one. Dealer cost will be less than dealer cost on a Qualia replacement bulb. I'll mount it on our refrigerator. What a cool way to watch movies on a plane with a portable blu ray player. I've asked Don Stewart to make a constant width masdking system for it. The control system won't be called the BRIC. it will be called the .... Open to suggestions. The winner will get a videophile tweak power cord for it costing more than the panel.

that is 0.3 inches wider than Bruzonsky's Screen!!

Yea. But his screen is curved. 10.7 inches wide with a 46 inch radius. :)

I was in San Francisco a month ago for Macworld and was seriously tempted to pick one up at the Sonystyle store since they are not available in Canada. It was mesmerizing to look at.

I didn't want to go through the hassle at the airport and had already ordered a VW200 ... so I felt Sony had received enough support from me for awhile :)

Art. You need to have this for your remote control screen. I have seen it.

It is way cool. I'll see it again a week from Weds at the Sony show in Vegas. I'll probably buy one. Dealer cost will be less than dealer cost on a Qualia replacement bulb. I'll mount it on our refrigerator. What a cool way to watch movies on a plave with a portable blu ray player. I've asked Don Stewart to make a constant width masdking system for it. The control system won't be called the BRIC. it will be called the .... Open to suggestions. The winner will get a videophile tweak power cord for it costing more than the panel.


Mark,
Thanks ! I can count on you but I'm waiting for the 12" model so I can have another theater meet.


Art

Just put a huge magnifying glass in front of it.

Art doesn't need an excuse or a reason to hold a meet. All he needs is all those pretty girls and lots of fruit pizza. All kidding aside Art is, and his meets are, the best!

Its not 20k but if I posted this anywhere else Id get laughed off the board.

Anyone own this (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&productId=8198552921665327724&langId=-1) set yet. I did find a few locations selling it.
A few images here (http://www.infosyncworld.com/digital_home/sony_xel-1.html?n=0).
At $2500 for an 11" display is a little rad but who will be the first?

Id really be pissed if I bought this then 6 months later they come with a 11.5" model:)

I've seen it at the Sony store. Blu-Ray movies look remarkable on it... I hope we can get projectors like that eventually.

A projector with only a million to one ANSI CR? Surely we deserve somthing better than that.

A projector with only a million to one ANSI CR? Surely we deserve somthing better than that.

:D

Getting serious for a moment, forgive me, how did Sony measure a million to one on/off CR? Even Jason's instruments are not that good. One must assume some degree of rounding to express the result as a million to one. But, let's assume if a pixel is not lit, its has a value of 0. Let's assume no light leakage or scattering with this technoogy. So regardless of the fully lit value, dividing by 0 would be undefined. A on/off CR value that would be so high it couldn't be expressed in mathematical theory other than as being undefined. So, there must be some extremenly low level of light from an off pixel. How the hell could this be measured? I think Sony is assuming rather than measuring a million to one. Why not ten trillion to one? However, where can one find a quick million for only a $2500 investment? Talk about ROI. OK. I couldn't remain serious. Sorry.

I suspect the 1,000,000 choice was pure marketing. Yeah, it could have been ten trillion to one, too. It is probably a "true" black. But even a true "black" object emits an infinitesimal amount of blackbody radiation, so it's not truly, truly, truly, infinite.

I don't know if Mark is serious or not but there are instruments more sensitive than what Jason caries in his black bag.

Artr

Only 1 million to 1 ?! Sony must be slipping-up. Lets see, 1E6 = 120 dB. They must have broke out the photomultiplier tubes to make that measurement.

it really is remarkable to look at. If you have ever seen any devices that implement OLED for displays (even monochromatic/bi/tri color) you can imagine what this screen looks like.

There was a motorola timeport phone probably about a decade ago that I had that had OLED display.....people would just stare at it cross-eyed for hours because the depth of black and crispness of color was unnatural.

great so we agree that contrast is the most compelling element of an image!!

Two years ago, Sony would lock these up over night when showing them a trade or dealer shows. Now they are for sale for relatively very little, less than for many Sony panels above say 46 inches.

A year from now we will see these much larger for about the same money. Make this 26inches in D for $25oo then what would we be saying. Make them the size for a lap top and then how many would pay wat for the lap top.How long till we see this in Sony laptops? This technology I think has a very good future.

From what the salesperson told me, the OLED technology can be put on a surface as thin as a sheet of paper.

WARNING. THIS PRODUCT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR FILM VIEWING IN HTS!

WTF was Sony thinking? It doesn't accept 1080p 24, just 1080p 60! Hope I saved everyone a lot of money. Those Sony folks are stupid. Fortunately the internet exists and people can be warned.

If the ability to make a screen so thin exists, perhaps we would be done with projectors completely in the next ten years, and could just hang fixed or recessed screen OLEDs. :cool:

If the ability to make a screen so thin exists, perhaps we would be done with projectors completely in the next ten years, and could just hang fixed or recessed screen OLEDs. :cool:

If it can just be rolled up and can be any size it would change the landscape. By that time HDM will have failed and we will still be watching up converted DVDs though.;):D

Art

On the sony style site they discuss under this model that they can use this technology instead of between glass,between flexible plastic and incased in flexible plastic, they have demonstrated viewability when the plastic is bent. Sometime, someday,a large size roll screen with this technology will be possible, and, hopefullt affordable.

Arts projection booth will not be lost.It could easily be converted to a candy concession or better yet a wine bar.

Did you hear the the one about the a firmcomprising of a Jewish orthodontist, a Jewish Doctor, and two Jewish lawyers, Sonneborn, Burnstein, Bruzonsky, and Haflich? :)

I suspect the 1,000,000 choice was pure marketing. Yeah, it could have been ten trillion to one, too. It is probably a "true" black. But even a true "black" object emits an infinitesimal amount of blackbody radiation, so it's not truly, truly, truly, infinite.

If it emits radiation then is it "truly black"? Methinks you are once again showing the "human" bias and giving preferential treatment to the human visible portion of the Electromagnetic spectrum :)

If you want truly black wouldn't that be a black hole?

Sorry, that was the smart-ass physics response :D

If the ability to make a screen so thin exists, perhaps we would be done with projectors completely in the next ten years, and could just hang fixed or recessed screen OLEDs. :cool:

While it's a fine idea, I think we're more than 10 years off from this. I'd like to be wrong on this projection.

The problem is we haven't even begun with the early adoption phase with this technology ;)

On the sony style site they discuss under this model that they can use this technology instead of between glass,between flexible plastic and incased in flexible plastic, they have demonstrated viewability when the plastic is bent. Sometime, someday,a large size roll screen with this technology will be possible, and, hopefullt affordable.

arts projection will not be lost.It could easily be converted to a candy concession or better yet a wine bar.

Did you hear the the one about the a firm comprising of a Jewish orthodontist, a Jewish Doctor, and two Jewish lawyers, Sonneborn, Burnstein, Bruzonsky, and Haflich? :)

No, tell us more:eek::p

Michael:

On a side note; I don't care to be close enough to a black hole to measure the ultimate in black levels :D

While it's a fine idea, I think we're more than 10 years off from this. I'd like to be wrong on this projection.

Good thing I qualified my response with a "perhaps." ;)

Did you hear the the one about the a firmcomprising of a Jewish orthodontist, a Jewish Doctor, and two Jewish lawyers, Sonneborn, Burnstein, Bruzonsky, and Haflich? :)

No not till now,what's the punchline ?

Art

Did you hear the the one about the a firmcomprising of a Jewish orthodontist, a Jewish Doctor, and two Jewish lawyers, Sonneborn, Burnstein, Bruzonsky, and Haflich? :)

No not till now,what's the punchline ?

Art

Yea. But his screen is curved. 10.7 inches wide with a 46 inch radius. :)

I decided to just go with the 11" Sony and use my reading glasses which are now electrified high power to simulate a big screen 15' wide!!!! Beat that?

I edited my post about Art's room to say Art's pojection booth won't be lost.

When I was a kid, the set my brother and I had in our tiny bed room was a black and white all tube set in a metal case.The screen was tiny but it had a large magnifying thick magnifying screen held in front of it by a bracket making it look perhaps like a 19 inch 4x3.

Art. i wasn't being serious about Jason's equipment. To the best of my knowledge he doesn't have a colorimeter of the class used by Ken W. or Jim Doolittle. A good colorimer costs about $8 to 10K. The newest Sencorm, for example. There are of course, even better but they are used for scientific experiments and the extra precision and low level reading ability would serve no practicable purpose for HT display device calibration.

I don;t have the joke. That's why I asked if anyone has heard it. I haven't.

No not till now,what's the punchline ?

Art

This firm's got the best lookin' and soundin' AV gear among them now that Bruzonsky ditched that little tiny Dwin projector!

Yea, not much of a joke. More of a rhyme that was goln' repeatedly here on the forum for years thanks to Mark and Mark. Every time they'd go over to Art's they'd hammer Bruzer repeatedly on this. In fact, every time they saw one of Art's posts they'd do it.

Funny????

Mark finds that berating his friends and potential customers begats them to become real serious customers buying real serious S_H_I+T!!!@@@

I try to keep the friend and customer thing seperate. although many friends are customers some are friends first, some are customers first. One really is quite independent of the other. Basically, my friends are almost always never right. We all get messed up with love and frequently in interfers with clear thinking. Hell I'm guilty. So I berate them.

The customer ultimately is always right. Its just getting them to a conclusion so that what they ultimately get won't ultimately dissapoint. Customers change, friends are foreever. Especially, Mark, Steve and Art. Art isn't even a customer but he still has time if he ever buys something again. :)

We could all be customers of Arts. I don't know any other Orthodontist on the forum. Thought in the real world there's a lot more of them than custom Home Theater Installers I bet.

iItry to keep the friend and customer thing seperate. although many friends are customers some are friends first, some are customers first. One really is quite independent of the other. Basically, my friends are almost always never right. We allget messed up with love and frequently in interfers with clear thinking. Hell I'mguilty. So I berate them.

The customer ultimately is always right. Its just getting them to a conclusion so that what they ultimately get won't ultimately dissapoint. Customers change, friends are foreever. Especially, Mark, Steve and Art. Art isn't even a customer but he still has time if he ever buys something again. :)

So based on the above is there a good reason to switch from friend to customer ? Is it automatic ? Are they mutually excusive? Will the switch assure me no more conversations about trying to get ones wife to have anal sex ? I prefer the simile "like pulling teeth" myself.



Art

So based on the above is there a good reason to switch from friend to customer ? Is it automatic ? Are they mutually excusive? Will the switch assure me no more conversations about trying to get ones wife to have anal sex ? I prefer the simile "like pulling teeth" myself.



Art


OH Boy

When OB called me "overly anal" he wasn't referring to sex. He was referring to my pondering of home theater upgrade decisions. And believe me, Dr OB, as an OB-GYN physician, has had to be so "overly anal" in his medical practice that he retired!!!@@

The customer ultimately is always right.

The customer is rarely right. They usually have a good point though.

The Sony Style store in Boston has one of these up on display, so I got a chance to have a gander at one, this afternoon. Looked like it had been adjusted for initial "pop factor" type of appearance. In low level areas the detail wasn't all that great, similar to the murk factor you get with the plasmas, although it does go black at video "zero" The one thing it does have going for it is off axis viewing. You get can move 45 degrees off axis with nary a change in the image quality! It's nice, but I wouldn't spend that kind of money on one.

well there should be more orthodontists on here... after looking at the bills for my wifes Braces, this should be a default place for orthos! (thank god for HSA's)

:D :D :D ;) ;) ;)

Art. I can not speak for others having off beat conversations with you.

The two categories aren't mutually exclusive. One really has nothing to do with the other though. Though hopefully constomers will always consider themselves somethimg other than just a customer to me. Also its nice when a friend becomes a customer but it certainly is not a prerequisite. Why are I saying this to you. You know all that already.

I am sure you will agree that we will always be friends and not just because of our mutual HT interests and regardless of whether you ever buy anything from me. :)

I saw the display at SonyStyle in Troy, MI today. Way to small for any view purpose. C'mon Sony show us a real OLED display: real size that makes cents, not 250,000 of them though :)

i saw that @ sony store but it is too small. your eye properly won't be able to make the judgement

Still, if the parameters are anywhere near to the truth, we all could very well have oled screens in our theater rooms. Just think an 11 foot oled screen (14 in Art's case) and no projector! Still years away, but wow.

Chris.

I saw the display at SonyStyle in Troy, MI today. Way to small for any view purpose. C'mon Sony show us a real OLED display: real size that makes cents, not 250,000 of them though :)

I "saw" it in an ad in our Sunday paper yesterday - while waiting for Mark to call and come visit me!!@@@ (KIDDING):D