Got my Sim2 C3X 1080 DLP projector, right now on a table projecting right now a 96" wide 16:9 picture on a flat black wall!!!! Using Lumagen Radiance, too. And HD DVD and Blu Ray players as noted below. And Theta Compli DVD SDI using an AJA converter to HDMI into Lumagen.

Awaiting my Stewart Cine-V 127" wide 2.35, drop down side masking, 1.3 gain. Also coming shortly are ISCOIII and Cineslide.

Meanwhile, projecting on wall, and awaiting dealer ceiling mount when screen comes, I have the following questions:

1. Integra DHS-808 HD DVD player (similar to Onkyo 805 and Toshiba HD-XA2 HD DVD players) has menu settings for (1) enhanced black level, on or off, and (2) RGB output range, standard (monitor of RGB range 16-235) or enhanced (monitor of RGB range 0–235). I know Enhanced is correct setting for 0 IRE (as opposed to 7.5 IRE). Am I correct that for RGB output range, standard is correct with RGB range of 16-235 for video (that 0-235 is PC).

2. Integra DHS-808 HD DVD player (similar to Onkyo 805 and Toshiba HD-XA2 HD DVD players). To use HD DVD at 24p output. I am using a Lumagen Radiance as well as the Sim2 C3X 1080 DLP projector. In the HD DVD menu I set it to “up to 1080p/24Hz” resolution. The Lumagen Radiance has “Output” resolution settings of both 1080P24 and 1080Psf24. I put in a few different movie HD DVDs. I set HD DVD to “up to 1080p/24Hz”. I set Radiance to first 1080P24 and next to 1080Psf24, and in both cases, I got a warning that source was 1080P60 and output was 1080P24. What’s the deal? How should I be doing this?

3. Panasonic BD30K Blu Ray player. ). To use Blu Ray HD at 24p output. I am using a Lumagen Radiance as well as the Sim2 C3X 1080 DLP projector. But the Blue Ray menu lets me output 1080i60 or 1080p60, but won’t let me
Change to 1080p/24. What gives?

4. My Sim2 C3X 1080 projector has Noise reduction in menu. Using it initially on DirecTV HD seemed to help picture, at about mid setting. Any recommendation on this? Should this be used for all sources? Or should this be set to 0 and use Lumagen Radiance noise reduction settings (see below)?

5. The Lumagen Radiance has “Enhance” settings on “Output” for 20/30 noise, Mosquito noise and Block artifacts with settings for each from 0 to 31. What are each of these? To what extent are they helpful with DirecTV SD, DirecTV HD, DVD, or HD DVD & Blu Ray, any recommended settings for each of these sources?

6. The Lumagen Radiance has Input settings for horizontal, vertical and diagonal sharpness and texture, settings from 0-31. To what extent are they helpful with DirecTV SD, DirecTV HD, DVD, or HD DVD & Blu Ray, any recommended settings for each of these sources?

Toomuch here for a quick postbut the noise reduction on the Sim2 has a chineese scale (on the noise reduction. 0 is maximum and 100 is minimum.That's according to factory training.

Your old Blu Ray player probably won't output 24. There may be a software update that will allow this.

Buy a new Blu Ray player Steve

Buy a new Blu Ray player Steve

Or better yet have faith that his installers know what the heck they are doing when they calibrate the gear. It really is as simple as that:o

My Blue Ray player is a Panasonic BD30K, will output all of the new audio formats over HDMI 1.3, and has video output 1080/24p in the menu - but when I try to change to that it won't let me, it stays at either 1080i/60 or 1080p/60. Its brand new. It was recommended by lotsa folks here at AVS to do all this stuff!!!

I found that in taking HDMI out of my Sony BD Player into my Lexicon and then HDMI out of the Lexicon into the C3X 1080 when a BluRay disk is playing, many of the menus are 1080p60 and 1080p50 but when the movie begins to play it automatically switches to 1080p24

It sounds like you have not set the video EDID in the Radiance. Otherwise, your HD or BD players will not output 24p. You have 2 choices.

1. Set the video EDID to pass back Out1 or Out2 - whichever you have the projector hooked up into.

2. Set the video EDID to user defined. You have to set all of the output resolutions to "off" and 1080p24 to "on".

Steve: I have the same Blu-Ray player. It is the latest one and felt to be the best of any of them. Mine outputs 24p fine to my C3X1080. Be sure you have the latest firmware. There is a query in one of the menues which asks if you want to enable 24p. Be sure that it's turned on. If there is still a problem, it is probably your Radiance device. Your PJ has excellent processing. You should'nt need any external processor.

Noise reduction set to 24 is recommended my Sim2. I don't see much difference when I try other settings.

My Blue Ray player is a Panasonic BD30K, will output all of the new audio formats over HDMI 1.3, and has video output 1080/24p in the menu - but when I try to change to that it won't let me, it stays at either 1080i/60 or 1080p/60. Its brand new. It was recommended by lotsa folks here at AVS to do all this stuff!!!

FWIW, I had that player shortly and had nothing but issues with it, in regards to 1080p24 and it also has LFE issues. I switched to the Pioneer Elite 95 FD and have not had a single issue since.

Here's another starting point for you.

Jim Peterson's settings on DirecTV 1080i content with the Radiance.
Diag Sharp = 3
2D/3D noise = 2
Adaptive Contrast = 3

Steve: I have the same Blu-Ray player. It is the latest one and felt to be the best of any of them. Mine outputs 24p fine to my C3X1080. Be sure you have the latest firmware. There is a query in one of the menues which asks if you want to enable 24p. Be sure that it's turned on. If there is still a problem, it is probably your Radiance device. Your PJ has excellent processing. You should'nt need any external processor.

My menu does show 24p but when I try to click on it, it won't let me.

Re the latest firmware - I've got a high speed ethernet connection I use for my HD DVD player which works fine. But I didn't see any ethernet connection on the rear of the Panasonic Blu Ray player. Am I missing something? Or is there a contact at Panasonic to obtain a firmware upgrade CD? Or can someone AVS PM me, exchange e-mails, and e-mail me the latest firmware upgrade? Thanks.

It sounds like you have not set the video EDID in the Radiance. Otherwise, your HD or BD players will not output 24p. You have 2 choices.

1. Set the video EDID to pass back Out1 or Out2 - whichever you have the projector hooked up into.

2. Set the video EDID to user defined. You have to set all of the output resolutions to "off" and 1080p24 to "on".

Thanks. This is most likely the culprit. And hopefully once I set this, my Panasonic Blu Ray player will "see" that my display does 24p and allow me to turn on 24p.

My menu does show 24p but when I try to click on it, it won't let me.

Re the latest firmware - I've got a high speed ethernet connection I use for my HD DVD player which works fine. But I didn't see any ethernet connection on the rear of the Panasonic Blu Ray player. Am I missing something? Or is there a contact at Panasonic to obtain a firmware upgrade CD? Or can someone AVS PM me, exchange e-mails, and e-mail me the latest firmware upgrade? Thanks.

If you are running through the Radiance, the default setting for the video EDID does not allow 24p. Change it as I indicated above.

The Panasonic firmware can be found here, but does not affect the 24p output.
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/bd/download/bd30/bd30.html

Edit: posted as you just responded.

FWIW, I had that player shortly and had nothing but issues with it, in regards to 1080p24 and it also has LFE issues. I switched to the Pioneer Elite 95 FD and have not had a single issue since.

The reported -5 db FE via HDMI is not an issue for me, as I use my Theta CB3 and Six Shooter multi-channel analog preamp, and I output one sub/LFE signal to my three chained Aerial SW12 subs. I set the subs overall 10 dB higher than "normal" for Dolby Digital. That way for "normal" Dolby Digital and DTS, I set the CB3 speaker level at "-10"; and at "0" for HD DVD, DVD-A & SACD. And I will shortly level match again and set for Blue Ray.

Sounds like the 24p concern will be alleviated following the above instructions for my Lumagen Radiance.

Thanks. This is most likely the culprit. And hopefully once I set this, my Panasonic Blu Ray player will "see" that my display does 24p and allow me to turn on 24p.

We all hope so Steve, so this latest nightmare will end:eek:;)

You will not be able to PCM lossless from the 30K BD player... Only bitstream over HDMI 1.3 (which the Radiance is not capable of - it is only HDMI 1.2). So no lossless over HDMI with your BD player.. As Mark said... get a new one...:)

That said... you will get the 'Uncompressed' tracks... Just not the DTS MA / TRUE HD unless you run all your video/audio through the Integra before the Radiance!! Don't do it!!!!!

I split it up. Video from HDMI 1 Audio HDMI 2.

Hi Jeff,
can you go over exactly how your HDMI sources go to radiance and Halcro
Thanks

You will not be able to PCM lossless from the 30K BD player... Only bitstream over HDMI 1.3 (which the Radiance is not capable of - it is only HDMI 1.2). So no lossless over HDMI with your BD player.. As Mark said... get a new one...:)

I have an Integra DHS 9.8 preamp/processor on order right now with Mark. Hopefully will be in within next few weeks. Can't I connect from Panasonic Blue Ray HDMI into Integra (which outputs multi-channel analog to my Theta Six Shooter) and then passes the 24p video via HDMI to the Lumagen Radiance? That was my understanding from when I reviewed parts of the lengthy AVS Radiance threads that I thought this would work.

Yes you can... but you will only be able to use 1 HDMI input (so calibrations will have be compromised for all sources as they are running thru the 1 HDMI input on the Radiance. You'll need 1 sub memory for scope sources, 1 another for non scope sources...you have 4 memories per HDMI input.

I run all sources first into the Radiance, then video directly to my PJ and audio to my pre/pro (I use both Radiance HDMI outs).

Yes you can... but you will only be able to use 1 HDMI input (so calibrations will have be compromised for all sources as they are running thru the 1 HDMI input on the Radiance. You'll need 1 sub memory for scope sources, 1 another for non scope sources...you have 4 memories per HDMI input.

I run all sources first into the Radiance, then video directly to my PJ and audio to my pre/pro (I use both Radiance HDMI outs).

Thanks Jeff. I also have flexibility with my projector for memories and settings. So between the Radiance and the projector all of this should work out fine.

I have an Integra DHS 9.8 preamp/processor on order right now with Mark. Hopefully will be in within next few weeks. Can't I connect from Panasonic Blue Ray HDMI into Integra (which outputs multi-channel analog to my Theta Six Shooter)

I am a little skeptical of how you will find the audio quality. I truly hope it works out for you and I will be curious to read your impressions.

And Theta Compli DVD SDI using an AJA converter to HDMI into Lumagen.


I don't think you want to use the AJA. I believe it outputs only 480p which will give you an inferior picture. There was some discussion of this on the Lumagen thread.

As a temporary measure you can use the component out on the Theta until Lumagen comes out with their own SDI/HDMI converter or you can talk to Jim (owner of Lumagen) for other solutions but I think you definitely want to return the AJA.

I am a little skeptical of how you will find the audio quality. I truly hope it works out for you and I will be curious to read your impressions.

me too.

I am a little skeptical of how you will find the audio quality. I truly hope it works out for you and I will be curious to read your impressions.


Steve's in a tough spot...

If he says the sound is spectacular with the inexpensive Integra, then the money he has in his $15K Extreme DACS/ CBIII looks like a complete waste and the Theta product was a sham....

On the other hand, if he acknowledges the bright, hard edge on the Integra, it will kill him to have to live with it...!:p

I don't think you want to use the AJA. I believe it outputs only 480p which will give you an inferior picture. There was some discussion of this on the Lumagen thread.

As a temporary measure you can use the component out on the Theta until Lumagen comes out with their own SDI/HDMI converter or you can talk to Jim (owner of Lumagen) for other solutions but I think you definitely want to return the AJA.
he is stuck with it I bet :(

Steve's in a tough spot...

If he says the sound is spectacular with the inexpensive Integra, then the money he has in his $15K Extreme DACS/ CBIII looks like a complete waste and the Theta product was a sham....

On the other hand, if he acknowledges the bright, hard edge on the Integra, it will kill him to have to live with it...!:p

Any spot for Steve is a tough spot, just ask him as he tries to keep up with The Bland in Audio and Video! ;)

I am a little skeptical of how you will find the audio quality. I truly hope it works out for you and I will be curious to read your impressions.

Audio quality isn't an issue. I've got my Theta CB3 with Xtreme DACs and Six Shooter multi-channel analog preamp. Sounds fantastic (despite any Bland sh_t to the contrary). HD DVD using my "old" Toshiba HD-XA1 multi-channel analog outputs to Six Shooter was clearly superior DVD using my Theta Compli AES/EBU. I was happy as is. But decided to "upgrade" using the Integra strictly as an HDMI audio processor now for both Blue Ray and HD DVD, using Integra's multi-channel audio outputs to my Theta Six Shooter. Should sound even better than my XA1 via analog MC to my Six Shooter. Shouldn't be an issue.

I don't think you want to use the AJA. I believe it outputs only 480p which will give you an inferior picture. There was some discussion of this on the Lumagen thread.

As a temporary measure you can use the component out on the Theta until Lumagen comes out with their own SDI/HDMI converter or you can talk to Jim (owner of Lumagen) for other solutions but I think you definitely want to return the AJA.

My Lumagen Radiance Info screen shows it is taking in 480i from the AJA.
I understand Lumagen indicated they will not be coming out with their own SDI/HDMI converter, at least I read that at the Video processor forum.

That's good to hear. That might be a new feature.

Here is an October 10 from the Processor forum:

I wasn't able to find another SDI to HDMI option that passed 480i (there are many that pass 480p eg Blackmagic, Aja - but that sort of defeats the purpose in my eyes).

Steve,
Make sure in the color menu of the projector you've selected "HDTV" in column 1 and "D65" in column 2...at least until you set up a custom calibration in one of the "User" memories. I found that HDTV/D65 measured very close to what we ended up with after the ISF calibration. And until you set up the Radiance, you might try Brightness at 54; Contrast at 56; color at 50; sharness at 9 and leave the Noise Reduction at 24. This is where I ended up using GrayHawk RS.

Audio quality isn't an issue. I've got my Theta CB3 with Xtreme DACs and Six Shooter multi-channel analog preamp. Sounds fantastic (despite any Bland sh_t to the contrary). HD DVD using my "old" Toshiba HD-XA1 multi-channel analog outputs to Six Shooter was clearly superior DVD using my Theta Compli AES/EBU. I was happy as is. But decided to "upgrade" using the Integra strictly as an HDMI audio processor now for both Blue Ray and HD DVD, using Integra's multi-channel audio outputs to my Theta Six Shooter. Should sound even better than my XA1 via analog MC to my Six Shooter. Shouldn't be an issue.

My personal opinion is that you will not be happy with the 9.8 anywhere in your audio chain, but your results certainly may differ from mine.

The Integra 9.8 will be a nice band aid for not so much $$ compared to prior purchases!
Check out my new signature Steve!

The Integra 9.8 will be a nice band aid for not so much $$ compared to prior purchases!
Check out my new signature Steve!

I feel left out:mad:

Steve,
Make sure in the color menu of the projector you've selected "HDTV" in column 1 and "D65" in column 2...at least until you set up a custom calibration in one of the "User" memories. I found that HDTV/D65 measured very close to what we ended up with after the ISF calibration. And until you set up the Radiance, you might try Brightness at 54; Contrast at 56; color at 50; sharness at 9 and leave the Noise Reduction at 24. This is where I ended up using GrayHawk RS.


Pete, thanks.

Yea, Mark Haflich said his factory tour of Sim2 left him with the understanding that the factory preset of 24 for noise reduction is the way to go.

And yea, I myself figured out using the HDTV and D65 settings.

My personal opinion is that you will not be happy with the 9.8 anywhere in your audio chain, but your results certainly may differ from mine.

Please explain. How and for what did you use the 9.8 in your system? What did you compare it to sonicwise? Thanks.

I feel left out:mad:

Sorry. You are now signatured. HAPPY

I feel left out:mad:
Your covered Steve W.!!:p:D

I think we need to establish an LLC I think Art should be the managing partner. Why? I really don't know. Just a gut call.

I think we need to establish an LLC I think Art should be the managing partner. Why? I really don't know. Just a gut call.

I guess we will also need a gastroenterologist for your "gut call"

I feel left out:mad:


Where is my thank you for including your AVS name in my signature.

And yea, shame on Mark and Mark for not including you in our firm.:D

Yes, my Lumagen display shows input of 480i from the AJA SDI converter. Absolutely. Works fine.

Got my Panasonic BD30K upgraded to firmware V1.4.

Thank You

It was my fault for the omission. I'll take full responsibility for the error and humbly apologize. Hopefully, you will forgive my act of omission.

What we really need is a very pretty female sex therapist. Naw, Make it four.

It was my fault for the omission. I'll take full responsibility for the error and humbly apologize. Hopefully, you will forgive my act of omission.

What we really need is a very pretty female sex therapist. Naw, Make it four.


Mark

now you are a stutterer...you like your posts so much you enter them twice

Mark

now you are a stutterer...you like your posts so much you enter them twice


OB, you're task should you choose to accept this mission, is to find a way to dampen the sonic waves from your subwoofers, which travel underground and cause Mark H to stutter. Some might call this "Mission Impossible" as Mark has been a Stutterer as long as I've known him. Then again, if you were constantly in the grace of knockout beautiful gals like Mark, you'd understand why around them he is speechless and on the forum he has a late stutter as a result of his nights before. You're just jealous.:D

Steve. It reminds me of the old joke.

A guy with a horrible stuttering problem goes to the doctor to see if there is a solution to his stuttering problem.

The Doctor says to go into the examining room, get undressed, and he will come in to examine him.

The Doctor goes into the room, takes one look at the guy, and says get dressed and come into my office to discuss the fix.

The guy gets dressed and goes into the office and says Doctor you didn't even examine me. How do you know what needs to be done?

The Doctor says its obvious. You have a hugh third member. Its gigantic and the unbalance is causing the stuttering problem. The guy agrees his member his hugh. He says are you sure that's the cause of the stuttering? The doctors says without a doubt.

The guy says what's the fix?

The Doctor says its simple. A penis transplant to get his giant penis replaced with a normal size penis.

The guy says wait a minute. His business life is a mess because of the stuttering but his sex life is ffff___in fan fan fan tasyic. The pretty girls are lined up at his house every night.

The Doctor says size doesn't make any diference and assures him that after the operation his sex life will still be great and he will be a business success.

The guy with reservations agrees to the transplant.

Some time passes and the guy while a business success, no longer has a fantastic sex life. He's miserable. So he goes back to the Doctor who waves him into the office. The guy explains what has happened and says he wants the Doctor to retransplant his old penis back.

The Doctor says SSSSSSorry. A ddddddeal is a dddddddeal!

Steve. It reminds me of the old joke.

A guy with a horrible stuttering problem goes to the doctor to see if there is a solution to his stuttering problem.

The Doctor says to go into the examining room, get undressed, and he will come in to examine him.

The Doctor goes into the room, takes one look at the guy, and says get dressed and come into my office to discuss the fix.

The guy gets dressed and goes into the office and says Doctor you didn't even examine me. How do you know what needs to be done?

The Doctor says its obvious. You have a hugh third member. Its gigantic and the unbalance is causing the stuttering problem. The guy agrees his member his hugh. He says are you sure that's the cause of the stuttering? The doctors says without a doubt.

The guy says what's the fix?

The Doctor says its simple. A penis transplant to get his giant penis replaced with a normal size penis.

The guy says wait a minute. His business life is a mess because of the stuttering but his sex life is ffff___in fan fan fan tasyic. The pretty girls are lined up at his house every night.

The Doctor says size doesn't make any diference and assures him that after the operation his sex life will still be great and he will be a business success.

The guy with reservations agrees to the transplant.

Some time passes and the guy while a business success, no longer has a fantastic sex life. He's miserable. So he goes back to the Doctor who waves him into the office. The guy explains what has happened and says he wants the Doctor to retransplant his old penis back.

The Doctor says SSSSSSorry. A ddddddeal is a dddddddeal!

I heard it rather as an attorney who got the transplant and when the guy wanted it back the attorney laughed and said H@@Haa@@@@@!!!!!

SSSSSSorry. I like my version bbbbbbbetter!

Good thing we all get back to work tomorrow. Too much bandwidth used today by us old farts with nothing too much to say that makes sense

Speak for yourself. My store was open all day today. I am still in the office paying bills.

Only because you prefer to spend much of your day acting "bush", that is,
talking and posting mostly gibberish. :D

I heard it rather as an attorney who got the transplant and when the guy wanted it back the attorney laughed and said H@@Haa@@@@@!!!!!

You got it all wrong.

The attorney laughed and said "Go ahead. Sue me. I dare you."

The guy tried to find a lawyer to sue the attorney but couldn't find any lawyer to take his case.

Please explain. How and for what did you use the 9.8 in your system? What did you compare it to sonicwise? Thanks.

Steve, I had the 9.8 over a period of about three weeks in my house for the purpose of home theater. 2 channel listening is done through a seperate pre. First of all I had many odd glitches with it in my system. Even with the Reon turned off and set to through so that no video processing would occur, I suffered severe black level crush. Secondly, it had an issue of 3-4 second audio dropouts when switching signals. This meant that whenever my wife watched tv there would be a 4 second dropout when it switched from her program to a commercial, and even more annoying the first 4 seconds of the show would have no audio everytime her show would return. It would also drop the signal when we would fast forward on our DVR, so there was truly no fix to this issue. And Onkyo customer service will get you no where except frustrated. Moreover, I did not even care for the HDMI 1.3 high resolution audio on it. Certain things sounded very detailed but at the sacrifice of depth and soundstage. Everything on it sounded totally 2 dimensional.
I continually A/B'd it against my Cary Cinema 11 and often times preferred the imaging and soundstage of Dolby Digital on my Cinema 11 to that of the high rez audio on the 9.8. I sold the 9.8 and am now awaiting the arrival of the new Cary Cinema 11a which will have 2 HDMI ins and 1 out and will handle all 1.3 audio formats. I loved my time with my Cinema 11 and I anxiously await the 11a which now seems like it is less than a month away.

I want to be clear that this was only my personal experiences, and that many people have had positive results with this unit. I am not trying to start any flames wars over this piece, I am just trying to simply give you my impressions. Hopefully this thread will be more open to people's impressions than the general Amp section. :D

Steve:

So you are going with the Radiance XD instead of the internal scalinghe C3x1080??

I have the Radiance XD and was undecided about keeping it with the upcoming arrival of my Sim2 HT5000, I am wondering what motivated you to purchase one?

:):)Steve:

So you are going with the Radiance XD instead of the internal scalinghe C3x1080??

I have the Radiance XD and was undecided about keeping it with the upcoming arrival of my Sim2 HT5000, I am wondering what motivated you to purchase one?


he got a good deal:eek::p;):D:)

Steve:

So you are going with the Radiance XD instead of the internal scalinghe C3x1080??

I have the Radiance XD and was undecided about keeping it with the upcoming arrival of my Sim2 HT5000, I am wondering what motivated you to purchase one?


I've got the Radiance XD. I like the convenience of using one switcher/processor in my component rack for everything. And the very best 1080i or 720p processing to 1080p for whenever the Phoenix Suns kill the New York Knicks! HA!

Congrats on the HT5000.

that too:)

:):)


he got a good deal:eek::p;):D:)

First you were signing your AVS signature as me. I'm thankful you quit that. Now you're talkin' for me, too. What else is new?

I do not get "good" deals. I get "great" deals.

Mark, you get "good" deals. I tell my friends not to give you "great" deals because you've been copying my AVS Signature recently - until yesterday when you quit it. HA!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mburnstein



he got a good deal

First you were signing your AVS signature as me. I'm thankful you quit that. Now you're talkin' for me, too. What else is new?

I do not get "good" deals. I get "great" deals.

Mark, you get "good" deals. I tell my friends not to give you "great" deals because you've been copying my AVS Signature recently - until yesterday when you quit it. HA!
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Steve, you are confused, you get FRICKEN GREAT DEALS! But then you are an Esquire, so it evens out:)

Thanks Jeff. I also have flexibility with my projector for memories and settings. So between the Radiance and the projector all of this should work out fine.


Steve,

I'm a little disappointed in you! I thought you pride yourself on being "overly anal" and I feel your dropping the ball. Snap to it man!

While I happen to like the Radiance a lot for the right applications, in your case, it is redundant and may possibly be eliminated. Sim 2's internal 10 Bit video processing, already in your C3X 1080 is beyond reproach. Aside from video switching and endless setup capabilities, in my opinion, the Lumagen Radiance is not an improvement over the C3X 1080's internal video processing capabilities! In fact, the effects may be slightly detrimental.

I'm sure your Lumagen dealer disagrees with me for his own reasons and probably wishes I would shut up!

Have you considered a simple HDMI 1.3 switcher while waiting for Theta's HDMI solution?

Steve,

I'm a little disappointed in you! I thought you pride yourself on being "overly anal" and I feel your dropping the ball. Snap to it man!

While I happen to like the Radiance a lot for the right applications, in your case, it is redundant and may possibly be eliminated. Sim 2's internal 10 Bit video processing, already in your C3X 1080 is beyond reproach. Aside from video switching and endless setup capabilities, in my opinion, the Lumagen Radiance is not an improvement over the C3X 1080's internal video processing capabilities! In fact, the effects may be slightly detrimental.

I'm sure your Lumagen dealer disagrees with me for his own reasons and probably wishes I would shut up!

Have you considered a simple HDMI 1.3 switcher while waiting for Theta's HDMI solution?

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. The Radiance is my idea, not my dealer's. The Radiance's effects should in no way be detrimental if correct settings are used.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. The Radiance is my idea, not my dealer's. The Radiance's effects should in no way be detrimental if correct settings are used.


If you say so, I believe you.









I still disagree!

I will confirm I have tried the Sim with no VP in the chain and the picture is indeed better.
I still use a VP for switching conveniences etc but I will go on record the internal processing in the Sims is excellent and you can see the difference going straight wire.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. The Radiance is my idea, not my dealer's. The Radiance's effects should in no way be detrimental if correct settings are used.

Nice open mind.

I will confirm I have tried the Sim with no VP in the chain and the picture is indeed better.
I still use a VP for switching conveniences etc but I will go on record the internal processing in the Sims is excellent and you can see the difference going straight wire.

Steve,

We're not ganging up on you here, but it's now 2:1.


Does anyone else care to side with Alan and I (versus Steve B) on this issue?





Seriously, try the C3X 1080 without the external VP. You'll be pleasantly surprised. With the C3X 1080, it's a case of less = better.

Nice open mind.

Jeff - Nice open mind. Your comment adds nothing meaningful here.

Hey, I get good pricing on stuff. If I find a straight wire is better I can sell it.
But Lumagen continues to implement improvements and new features and there certainly is potential benefit to using the Radiance here.

Steve,

We're not ganging up on you here, but it's now 2:1.


Does anyone else care to side with Alan and I (versus Steve B) on this issue?





Seriously, try the C3X 1080 without the external VP. You'll be pleasantly surprised. With the C3X 1080, it's a case of less = better.

Have you tried the Radiance with your projector? Please give me the specifics. Thanks.

I will confirm I have tried the Sim with no VP in the chain and the picture is indeed better. I still use a VP for switching conveniences etc but I will go on record the internal processing in the Sims is excellent and you can see the difference going straight wire.

Alan, what video processor did you try in the chain?

What video processor do you use now for switching convenience, etc. Does it allow a simply pass through with no processing?

Thanks.

Steve,

We're not ganging up on you here, but it's now 2:1.




Does this mean Hilary is elected?:)

Seriously, I have no problem with folks discussing pros and cons of using or not using a video processor in the chain. This is a good thread to do this. But it would be helpful if folks would give specifics - which projector (can't just assume its the C3X 1080), which video processor, to what extent they played with settings in both projector and processor to avoid or minimize duplication (e.g., simply setting too much sharpness or noise reduction on both the processor and the projector would easily screw up the picture, as would duplicative processing), etc. Thanks. We need to get more specific than the Presidential politics "I have a Plan". HA!

Have you tried the Radiance with your projector? Please give me the specifics. Thanks.


YES. Just last week at a client's home. It was the Radiance XD. He had just installed a new February firmware update in it. I was there to install new firmware in the C3X 1080 and setup a new Blu Ray player.

Sources were a new Denon DVD-2500BTCI Blu Ray Transport and a Toshiba HD-XA2 (firmware 2.7) both outputting 1080p24. We played Casino Royale BD and Seabiscuit HD DVD.

The results were similar with both Blu Ray and HD DVD. We both agreed the Radiance XD was softening the picture and not in a good way. There was simply no way to adjust the picture settings to achieve better results.

After connecting both players directly, without the XD in the way, the picture had more pop and more of a 3D like appearance.

Our observations came before the Martinis so any degree of inebriation had no effect on the findings.

Perhaps it's a Lumagen firmware issue? I did like the XD though. It is very user friendly and offers endless configurability.

As for my own C3X 1080, it is still in the box waiting for me to get off my arse and complete my HT updates. Therefore, I am not living with the two pieces in my own room. Out of all fairness, if I did own the Lumagen, it would probably be tweaked and offering better results. But that's only speculation. My comments are based on what I had seen. Again, we were unable to correct the situation through any settings on the 1080 or the XD.

I don't mean anything personal about the Radiance. I actually thought it was a pretty slick piece. I had a similar experience with my own Crystallio II VP ($6,500.00) and have recently sold it.

Does this mean Hilary is elected?:)

Don't say that! If Hillary gets her way, we will no longer have a need for our testicles.


I feel the chest pains coming on!

Don't say that! If Hillary gets her way, we will no longer have a need for our testicles.


I feel the chest pains coming on!

If you keep the Radiance you can tweak yours!!!@@

Seriously, I have no problem with folks discussing pros and cons of using or not using a video processor in the chain. This is a good thread to do this. But it would be helpful if folks would give specifics - which projector (can't just assume its the C3X 1080), which video processor, to what extent they played with settings in both projector and processor to avoid or minimize duplication (e.g., simply setting too much sharpness or noise reduction on both the processor and the projector would easily screw up the picture, as would duplicative processing), etc. Thanks. We need to get more specific than the Presidential politics "I have a Plan". HA!

I agree with you on many points! Since I didn't sell the Radiance, I am under no obligation to find or fix the issue and I was not asked or expected to do so. I don't usually provide support for items not purchased from me, unless I am offered my full hourly troubleshooting rate and unlimited time to do so.

PQ was better without it in the chain. Without the VP, the C3X 1080 was sharp as a tack and stunning to watch. I am able to sleep at night knowing that everything I provided to my client is performing beyond reproach.


On a more positive note, the XD did do a remarkable job cleaning up the Comcrap cable signal.

Sources were a new Denon DVD-2500BTCI Blu Ray Transport and a Toshiba HD-XA2 (firmware 2.7) both outputting 1080p24. We played Casino Royale BD and Seabiscuit HD DVD.

The results were similar with both Blu Ray and HD DVD. We both agreed the Radiance XD was softening the picture and not in a good way. There was simply no way to adjust the picture settings to achieve better results.

After connecting both players directly, without the XD in the way, the picture had more pop and more of a 3D like appearance.



Sounds like a firmware issue. After all, the signal is digital, right? We're not dealing with any DA conversion or loss of resolution. Lumagen just got the 24p
firmware going and I still am working on trying to get that to go in my setup.

Did you run the Radiance info screen to make sure that you were takingin
24p from the player, and outputting 24p to the projector? Did you have the projector set on pixel intake to avoid any additional processing?

I have a long in-wall HDMI cable to my projector, with plenty of space to try direct hookup to HD player vs Radiance. Someday when I get a chance I will try.

I agree with you on many points! Since I didn't sell the Radiance, I am under no obligation to find or fix the issue and I was not asked or expected to do so. I don't usually provide support for items not purchased from me, unless I am offered my full hourly troubleshooting rate and unlimited time to do so.

PQ was better without it in the chain. Without the VP, the C3X 1080 was sharp as a tack and stunning to watch. I am able to sleep at night knowing that everything I provided to my client is performing beyond reproach.


On a more positive note, the XD did do a remarkable job cleaning up the Comcrap cable signal.

You make legit points. You sell the projector, not the Radiance. If your customer wants to pay you the big bucks to dick around with the Radiance and really check it out, that will not be cheap as its not a product that you sell or are familiar with. But your limited demo with the Radiance is just that, a limited demo, and raises valid concerns but is far from definitive.

Congrats on the HT5000.

Not quite yet

Not quite yet

When?????

You make legit points. You sell the projector, not the Radiance. If your customer wants to pay you the big bucks to dick around with the Radiance and really check it out, that will not be cheap as its not a product that you sell or are familiar with. But your limited demo with the Radiance is just that, a limited demo, and raises valid concerns but is far from definitive.

Hello SteveB,

Yes, as I previously disclosed the demo was far from definitive!

However, my opinion is definitive and is the final word on the subject. There will be no Radiance and no more Crystallio II for me.

There are two HDMI cables running to the 1080. It was quick and easy to go signal direct for a comparison, which was more accidental than deliberate.

Frankly, at the time we were more interested in setting up the new Denon 2500BTCI Blu Ray and watching Casino Royale than figuring out why the picture through the XD was not equal to the picture when the players are directly connected. Again, similar results were later obtained with the Toshiba HD XA2 indicating this is not isolated to the Blu Ray source.

And no, the results are the same through both HDMI cables. There are no cable issues.


To answer your very good questions from another post, I did not confirm if the XD was passing 1080p24. The XD was set up for 1080p24 and we assumed it was functioning correctly. I do remember seeing the on screen pop up indicating there was a 1080p24 signal with the direct player connection to the PJ. Therefore, I know the Denon was set up correctly.

Yes, the C3X 1080 was set to Pixel to Pixel at the time the Radiance was connected.

After reading your post, I called my friend/client last night and asked him to hit the C3X 1080's info button and see if the incoming signal is 1080p24 but that isn't possible. Since my visit, he's been running his BD and HD DVD sources direct to the PJ. Well, almost direct. They are switched through a Monoprice HDMI 1.3a switcher. Currently, he's only running his Comcrap cable box through the XD and is happy with the results.


I guess we'll know more as Lumagen works out their firmware issues?

What about issues and hassles with HDMI switchers? My understanding is that my Lumagen Radiance has all HDMI inputs active and so long as the Radiance is left on
(even though rest of system may be shut down), that I shouldn't have HDMI issues. And I haven't so far.

For those simply using HDMI switchers, what ones do you recommend and why?

What about issues and hassles with HDMI switchers? My understanding is that my Lumagen Radiance has all HDMI inputs active and so long as the Radiance is left on
(even though rest of system may be shut down), that I shouldn't have HDMI issues. And I haven't so far.

For those simply using HDMI switchers, what ones do you recommend and why?

I try never to recommend any HDMI products because it always comes back to bite me in the A**!

My client is using a Monoprice 4X2 HDMI 1.3a version 2.0 switcher and has had it for a couple months. I cannot personally speak for the Monoprice unit having no hands on experience but I'll pass along some hearsay information.

I'm told by my friend that his Monoprice switcher is working well and has had no compatibility issues with any of the expensive crap I have sold to him. (his exact words)

It's apparently been issue free and costs only $80 smackaroos, thanks to China!

The only word of caution is, it's a must to power up the sources before switching inputs.


I have had switchers costing several hundred dollars that simply fouled up the handshake and were unusable. When I find some time, I'm looking forward to trying this switcher out for myself.

For those simply using HDMI switchers, what ones do you recommend and why?


Steve, this is the best $100 I have spent in a long time. It is 3 in and 1 out, I do not know if that would work for you? It even prioritizes the inputs so all I have to do is turn a source on and it will switch to that input. It also has a tiny remote. It has worked flawlessly for me for about 3 months.

http://www.oppodigital.com/hm31/

I will confirm I have tried the Sim with no VP in the chain and the picture is indeed better.
I still use a VP for switching conveniences etc but I will go on record the internal processing in the Sims is excellent and you can see the difference going straight wire.

How many times have you and I exchanged in detail on this very subject, over more than a year?:eek: The on board software is the best I've seen on any PJs

Same result here using the same VPs as Alan with the HT380, C3X1080 and HT5000. At best, no improvement and mostly showing some degradation, almost always softer.

IIRC we also tried with the D80 a while back too with similar results.

The only advantage is to provide more than 2 per i/p calibrations for the 1080. That point is not relevant to the HT5000 as there are 6 HDMIs and a truck load more i/p options. I believe Art uses no VP on his HT5000 for the same reason.

I remember posting this in C3X1080 threads months ago but it seemed to get lost in the frenzy.

For those simply using HDMI switchers, what ones do you recommend and why?

Zektor, with no reservations at all.

Why?.............

They are totally reliable and integrate perfectly and are really flexible too. They use a cool cable clamping system. 20m runs are no problem. 12v trigger. RS232. Discrete IR codes for power and i/p selection. Firmware u/g. Auto dimming. Rack mountable. Awesome remote etc etc. They take a serious dump on cheap consumer units. They are genuine mission critical performers.


http://www.zektor.com/hdmi5/specs.htm

check out Octava as well but Zektor have the edge IMHO.

Zektor, with no reservations at all.


Déjà Vu , I just picked up one for myself yesterday as a matter of fact. They really are the best.

Déjà Vu , I just picked up one for myself yesterday as a matter of fact. They really are the best.


glad to see you catching up:D:D:D

They really are outstanding, and a custom installers dream.

I also use their MAS7.1 switch for analog/optical/HDMI switching. Brilliant unit combining audio and video. Possibly the best/most flexible unit going. The audio is insane with the 7.1 analog able to be configured as separate 5.1 and stereo if you wish on each input or mixes thereof. If you only need 3 way switching, this is the daddy.

http://www.zektor.com/mas71/specs.htm

How many times have you and I exchanged in detail on this very subject, over more than a year?:eek: The on board software is the best I've seen on any PJs

Same result here using the same VPs as Alan with the HT380, C3X1080 and HT5000. At best, no improvement and mostly showing some degradation, almost always softer.

IIRC we also tried with the D80 a while back too with similar results.

The only advantage is to provide more than 2 per i/p calibrations for the 1080. That point is not relevant to the HT5000 as there are 6 HDMIs and a truck load more i/p options. I believe Art uses no VP on his HT5000 for the same reason.

I remember posting this in C3X1080 threads months ago but it seemed to get lost in the frenzy.


Ah Ha!!!!!!!!

It's now 3:1 against SteveB.

Ah Ha!!!!!!!!

It's now 3:1 against SteveB.

I guess scientifically I am a deviation. Thanks for pointing it out. Nice guy!!

I guess scientifically I am a deviation. Thanks for pointing it out. Nice guy!!


Just Kidding SteveB!

I'm really looking forward to hearing all of the details after your room is finished and your install is complete. I know it's going to be a great theater!

Any news on an HDMI update from Theta?

Regards,
Anthony

I guess scientifically I am a deviation. Thanks for pointing it out. Nice guy!!

Was the switcher info provided of any use to you?

Maybe the effort just doesn't warrant acknowledgment.:D

Was the switcher info provided of any use to you?

Maybe the effort just doesn't warrant acknowledgment.:D

The effort does but not your retort!!!@@@:D

Just Kidding SteveB!

I'm really looking forward to hearing all of the details after your room is finished and your install is complete. I know it's going to be a great theater!

Any news on an HDMI update from Theta?

Regards,
Anthony


No Theta news.

I appreciate folks giving switcher info, etc. and as always, I am "overly annally" considering and pondering. HA!

I appreciate folks giving switcher info, etc. and as always, I am "overly annally" considering and pondering. HA!

Steve,

If you need any user feedback etc on the Zektor units, just ask. Ive used the Octava as well, so same there.

Overly anal? Why are you being so modest? Doesn't give your degree of anality due justice.

When?????

Now:)

Now:)

Congrats on your HT5000 purchase. You'll luv it. So how wide is your 16:9 screen gonna be?:eek:

Overly anal? Why are you being so modest? Doesn't give your degree of anality due justice.

OK. Modesty asided in my latest AVS signature. Wonder how long this one will last???

Congrats on your HT5000 purchase. You'll luv it. So how wide is your 16:9 screen gonna be?:eek:

12' wide

12' wide


OOHHH - sports is gonna be a killer on your setup.

LO1 lens too. The bad thing about the HT5000 is that it is essentially useless except as a paper weight without one of the optional lenses. Why do they say optional? Should say required, pick one.

LO1 lens too. The bad thing about the HT5000 is that it is essentially useless except as a paper weight without one of the optional lenses. Why do they say optional? Should say required, pick one.


Mark, I hope your other half doesn't say the same about you, that you need to pick up one of those optional jigadeez.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist. Please see my new AVS signature below.)

I wonder if the bit of softness you are seeing in picture quality using an external scaler is due to transmission loss from scaler to Sim2 projector at 1080p, vs transmission from HDMI switcher to projector at native 480i, 720p or 1080i?

Here's a nice but not cheap 8 HDMI switcher, and it handles 480i via HDMI, too, which works nicely with my Theta Compli DVD SDI via AJA SDI to HDMI converter.

http://www2.dvigear.com/swhd8x1.html

There use to be a small tad of nr filtering by default in the Lumagen. Now that the NR etc features have been enabled, perhaps this can be dialed out. The C3x has NR filtering and the default is 24. Lowering that number raises the NR, increasing it lowers the NR. Strange but I guess its an Italian thing. BUT lots of testing confirms that 24 is the best.

There use to be a small tad of nr filtering by default in the Lumagen. Now that the NR etc features have been enabled, perhaps this can be dialed out. The C3x has NR filtering and the default is 24. Lowering that number raises the NR, increasing it lowers the NR. Strange but I guess its an Italian thing. BUT lots of testing confirms that 24 is the best.


Yes, Italian testing proves that 24 different positions works the very best. More is too much and too tiring. Less is not enough. Sex was invented in Italy and Rome.

And besides, "24" is the best ever TV show, too.

Garden of Eden, my boy. Not Italy or Rome, specifically. Or even in Perdenone in northern italy where Sim2 is located.

The real question is where was it perfected?

I know but I am not going to feed your perverse interests by telling you where and how I perfected it. To share that knowledge would be a pure waste at your age. Though, on secong thought, you are the master of tweaks.

And most posters in the big boys forum don't believe in tweaks. Just pure missionary position guys, I guess.

And most posters in the big boys forum don't believe in tweaks. Just pure missionary position guys, I guess.

Mark, you and I are Jewish. That means we can't assume the missionary position. (In my case, I can't physically do it unless I lose a lotta weight, too)!!!

Perhaps at this point it might be worth pointing out that the Radiance, unlike the Crystalio, is a BETA product. It is documented that the current firmware does not have the no scale option in yet. Without the No scale option there will be a softening of the image as you see just now from these 1080 sources.

Just some extra info that folk might find worthwhile.

Perhaps at this point it might be worth pointing out that the Radiance, unlike the Crystalio, is a BETA product. It is documented that the current firmware does not have the no scale option in yet. No scale will soften the image as you see just now from these 1080 sources.

Just some extra info that folk might find worthwhile.

Gordon, you are reading my mind. I remember when I first met you years ago, you were my Special Guest on the then AVS Special Guests forum along with Alan Roser for Sim2, in the early start of the digital age. I assume you are still the UK distributor for Sim2, as well as Lumagen? So I figure you will be glad to consider features as we beta which maximize the Radiance with the Sim2 projectors, particularly my C3X 1080. I also figure that what we may want to do is zero the sharpness and noise reduction in the Sim2 projector and then use those features in the Radiance. Time and features will tell. I plan on keeping the Radiance for now and I am certainly interested in your input on how I can maximize picture quality using the two together!

Perhaps at this point it might be worth pointing out that the Radiance, unlike the Crystalio, is a BETA product. It is documented that the current firmware does not have the no scale option in yet. No scale will soften the image as you see just now from these 1080 sources.

Just some extra info that folk might find worthwhile.


As a former Crystallio II VPS 3800 Pro owner, I sure felt like a "$6,500.00 Beta Tester".

The built in media player never did work.

Hopefully, for Lumagen owners they'll get things straight!

I think of a Lumagen Radiance as a Tiger Woods. The game just keeps getting better. 8 up with 7 left.

Beta. I think its past the beta stage now. Its in the evolving phase. Because of its design, chip upgradability, programabilty, and the genius of Mr. Peterson and Mr. Harken,, it will be continually improving and having features added until it is replaced with something completely new.

One with them doesn't have to hope. Just look forward to more and better. That compasny delivers.

Steve: I am the Lumagen distributor in uk

Alan Roser worked for the SIM2 distributor then and I was a dealer and now Alan is MUCH higher up the food chain at SIM2 and I am still a dealer...they do some great products....as do Lumagen.

Cheers

Gordon

P.S. Special guests.....ah...the Halcyon days......nowadays it'd be all podcasts and what not....

One with them doesn't have to hope. Just look forward to more and better. That compasny delivers.

In that case, I guess we'll just have to wait for the "no scale option". But then the XD is reduced to a glorified switcher.

At an earlier point in the debate, we were discussing the XD being in some way detrimental to the PQ with a C3X 1080, versus an HDMI switcher or straight through connection. SteveB exclaimed, "he doesn't want a switcher, he likes his Lumagen".

Lumagen has a good reputation so I'm sure they'll get their issues fixed. But if my original premise is correct and the Sim 2's internal processing is indeed better than most outboard VP's, how can this be fixed?

If you have a calibrated projector and a Blu Ray 1080p24 source are there any potential advantages to passing the signal through any scaler?

If you have a calibrated projector and a Blu Ray 1080p24 source are there any potential advantages to passing the signal through any scaler?


None I have seen with the Sim 2 C3X 1080, in conjunction with either the Radiance XD or Crystallio II. Both had a noticeable softening effect on the PQ. Perhaps another VP will yield better results?

Sim 2 has their own software development team that has done a remarkable job. I'm convinced it will not get any better until Sim 2 finds a way to further improve upon their own work!

There is of course what 11 point and greater gray scale calibration than possible with only a Sim2 1080p inthe chain. Everything is balancing to obtaining the best compromise. of all the stuff i own, the lumagen brings me the most joy. Mew stuff just keeps coming.i don't think calling issues to be corrected is accurate. enabling features does ovvasion bugs but these unlike many other processor manufacturers are very quickly addressed. The CMS keeps getting refined. Wait till the linear refinement comes out imminently. Not speaking as a dealer but owner/user, I really like the thing.

There is of course what 11 point and greater gray scale calibration than possible with only a Sim2 1080p inthe chain. Everything is balancing to obtaining the best compromise. of all the stuff i own, the lumagen brings me the most joy. Mew stuff just keeps coming.i don't think calling issues to be corrected is accurate. enabling features does ovvasion bugs but these unlike many other processor manufacturers are very quickly addressed. The CMS keeps getting refined. Wait till the linear refinement comes out imminently. Not speaking as a dealer but owner/user, I really like the thing.


Mark,

I can only comment on what I have seen with my own eyes two weeks ago. With the XD in the chain before the C3X 1080, the PQ was not as good as signal direct.

As I had previously disclosed, I am not a Lumagen dealer, I did not sell the XD to my client and was I not going to spend my time to troubleshoot it. Therefore, it's very possible the XD can be improved upon in that case.


If you say so, I'm sure there's no doubt the XD will be further refined through firmware and also receive new features. Until that actually happens, we can only speculate that the PQ will be affected to the point that it outperforms the C3X 1080's internal processing.

Have you used the Radiance with a C3X 1080? If so, I'm sure you have seen this phenomenon yourself.

I sold my RS-1 before leaving the UK. Will probably go back to Sim2. Any advantage of the C3X 1080 over the HT3000?

It has been pointed out by Jim from Lumagen in the Lumagen beta forum ( this was noticed by several people there as well ) using the Lumagen or any scaler will indeed soften the image because of the scaling involved. The Lumagen also has some NR ( small amount ) that is on all the time. As Jim pointed out the way to avoid all this is to select the "bypass mode" which is a feature that will become avail soon but choosing this mode will disable the use of aspect ratio and other features. So those with a good eye will detect a crisper image going direct.

I sold my RS-1 before leaving the UK. Will probably go back to Sim2. Any advantage of the C3X 1080 over the HT3000?


As good as the HT3000 is it is a 1 chip design where the C3X1080 is a 3 chip using the latest DC4 from TI. 3 chip gives you more brightness..more colors..more saturated colors, more contrast over the 3k and more features and the list goes on.
I think if you were to see them side by side you would see a sizable improvement with the C3X1080:)

I don't think you want to use the AJA. I believe it outputs only 480p which will give you an inferior picture. There was some discussion of this on the Lumagen thread.

As a temporary measure you can use the component out on the Theta until Lumagen comes out with their own SDI/HDMI converter or you can talk to Jim (owner of Lumagen) for other solutions but I think you definitely want to return the AJA.

My Lumagen Radiance info shows that when I use my Theta Compli DVD with SDI, and the AJA S15, that the Radiance intakes 480 RGB, and then outputs RGB at whatever scan rate I set (initially using 1080p).

Steve that is correct. Is that an upscaling dvd player. With SDI you will not anything past 480.
With the Lumagen you can also output 4.2.2 but I do not know if the C3X will take that. Give it a try.

I sold my RS-1 before leaving the UK. Will probably go back to Sim2. Any advantage of the C3X 1080 over the HT3000?

Significantly so. There is currently no substitute for 3 chip DLP atm. Get a demo and the difference will be readily apparent.

Bear in mind the HT3000 is now the HT3000e and as such is far more capable than the HT3000. The Unishape machines,imho, push closer to 3 chip than any other but are still no substitute for the real thing.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13266153#post13266153

Alan Gouger posted photos of his curved screen, 40 foot radius in the above thread.


Alan,

Great info and pictures!!!!

As you know, my Sim2 C3X 1080 is up and ceiling hung.

My 127" wide Stewart Cine-V curved screen (16:9 portion is 96" wide) arrives Monday to be hung Tuesday.

My ISCOIII and Cineslide with custom mounts for my 12' ceiling thanks to GetGray coming soon, also.

Getgray borrowed my projector first and with his advise I decided to use a throw distance of 2.03 (16.25', a bit above the mid throw range, as there wasn't any significant loss of contrast and a linear increase in brightness moving up throw range, and this worked fine with the ISCOIII. At 2.03 throw,
the correct radius for a perfect 2.35 image is 40' radius!!!!

So what you found will be exactly what I get!!!! That without the ISCOIII engaged, the barrel distortion at the screen bottom for the 16:9 picture wasn't significant and isn't noticeable with video. COOL!


Thanks.

Steve that is correct. Is that an upscaling dvd player. With SDI you will not anything past 480.
With the Lumagen you can also output 4.2.2 but I do not know if the C3X will take that. Give it a try.

Alan, the Compli can upscale to 480p via its component outputs, or 720p if one has the DVI output (I don't), but the SDI puts out plain 480i, which is what I want to use with either my Lumagen Radiance or my Sim2 projector then upscaling to 1080p.

1. Integra DHS-808 HD DVD player (similar to Onkyo 805 and Toshiba HD-XA2 HD DVD players) has menu settings for (1) enhanced black level, on or off, and (2) RGB output range, standard (monitor of RGB range 16-235) or enhanced (monitor of RGB range 0–235). I know Enhanced is correct setting for 0 IRE (as opposed to 7.5 IRE). Am I correct that for RGB output range, standard is correct with RGB range of 16-235 for video (that 0-235 is PC).



No one ever answered this question?????

Yes. Your own answer is correct.