Looks pretty neat...

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i311/GC71388/S-Video-2008-02-21_08-22-13h1.jpg

Not an improvement to me. I don't understand the blue color scheme on the rundown. All other SC graphics use the red color scheme, it looks like it belongs on another studio show. The text also seems overly large and the arrow just does not do anything for me.

Not an improvement to me. I don't understand the blue color scheme on the rundown. All other SC graphics use the red color scheme, it looks like it belongs on another studio show. The text also seems overly large and the arrow just does not do anything for me.

The blue color scheme reminds me of the screen shots I saw from ESPNews HD. I saw it this morning, but don't remember the last time I flipped on SC in the morning. I usually turn on Mike & Mike.

Wouldn't shock me to see a new ESPN color scheme launch over the next 6 weeks leading up to ESPNews HD

I wish they'd get their non-Bristol studio shows like PTI upgraded to HD. Has anyone heard anything about this happening?

I wish they'd dump "the rundown" altogether. I hate it.

I would love to see PTI in HD.

Dump the rundown sidebar. Fullscreen highlights, please. A total waste of space

Its ESPN they don't care about their viewers and don't have to care what we want

I thought they only ran the sidebar listing upcoming stories during the SportsCenter repeats that run thru the night. Do the regular editions (i.e., 6:00 PM Eastern) have it as well?

I thought they only ran the sidebar listing upcoming stories during the SportsCenter repeats that run thru the night. Do the regular editions (i.e., 6:00 PM Eastern) have it as well?

That is correct only reruns have the sidebar.

Isn't the sidebar going to be a permanent feature on ESPNEWS HD?

Isn't the sidebar going to be a permanent feature on ESPNEWS HD?

ESPNEWS HD will have a side bar kinda like Fox Business HD, however, it will not be a rundown. It will contain stats and scores much like what is on the bottom of ESPNEWS SD right now.

That is correct only reruns have the sidebar.

They have been using this for some time.

They have been using this for some time.

The sidebar rundown during reairs of Sportscenter have been in place since last May.

Dump the rundown sidebar. Fullscreen highlights, please. A total waste of space

Dump Kornheiser, total waste of Oxygen.

:eek:

Its ESPN they don't care about their viewers and don't have to care what we want

I'm pretty sure the folks who spend millions of dollars every year on market research for the company would disagree. In fact its more a factor of them listening too carefully to their audiences whims (for all the people who hate what ESPN does you'd be amazed the number of people who like it -- they are after all the highest rated cable network by far). It is, after all, market research and focus groups that drive decisions like having Mike & Mike host Monday Night Football and the Rundown and things like those awful "Who's Now" segments. (though in an inverse way they have certainly been a champion if not the killer application for the HD transition).

The problem is that their reputation was built (like most upstarts) appealing to a fringe and developing smart-ass, slightly irreverent audience (which doesn't sell nearly in this decade like it did prior) but now that they are multinational business, the tendency is to play it close to the vest and make decision based on carefully calculated audience data rather than on style or substance. For all those who complain about MTV, they're doing far better with Tia Tequila on the air than they ever did with Headbangers Ball. This is the unfortunate reality of corporate entertainment.

BTW i'm not a big fan of the new Rundown. It is easier to read and the bluish silver is still within the Sportscenter color scheme, although as Homcom correctly pointed out Sportscenter's insert graphics are red, while the other studio shows use blue (Cold Pizza used to use yellow). I just hope this doesn't mean we'll start seeing more Rundown on ESPN re-airs for other studio programming. I personally don't care what's coming up next on a 20 minute NBA Fastbreak re-air.

they are after all the highest rated cable network by far).

ESPN was in 4th place in primetime cable ratings for 2007. Outside of the NFL games the ratings typically are not anything all that great.

ESPN was in 4th place in primetime cable ratings for 2007. Outside of the NFL games the ratings typically are not anything all that great.

Yea but its tough to quantify in terms of primetime audiences, because ESPN's primetime schedule varies wildly from night to night and because often ESPN's traditionally higher rated programs like the 11PM Sportscenter, College Gameday or Sunday NFL Countdown (and even many live sporting events) don't fall within the primetime daypart. In fact outside of the NBA, some College Football & Basketball and a Wednesday Night Baseball game (whose audience interests can be highly regionalized or just bad matchups) there often isn't a lot on either network between 8 - 11. That being said I've seen 2am shows on ESPN pull well over a 3.0 rating especially after a big game (which is not happening with Hannah Montana) and NFL Primetime pulled well into the 4s when it was on Sunday nights (in perspective the NBA finals were pulling 6s on ABC). So whereas Fox News can count on Hannity & Colmes or O'Reilly everynight, or TNT can count on the Closer, sports programming is generally more sporadic. Also, on the higher end of ratings (which is what really counts anyway) outside of High School Musical 2, Monday Night Football blows everyone out of the water every week.

Yea but its tough to quantify in terms of primetime audiences, because ESPN's primetime schedule varies wildly from night to night and because often ESPN's traditionally higher rated programs like the 11PM Sportscenter or Sunday NFL Countdown (and even many live sporting events) don't fall within the primetime daypart. In fact outside of the NBA, some College Football & Basketball and a Wednesday Night Baseball game (whose audience interests can be highly regionalized or just bad matchups) there often isn't a lot on either network between 8 - 11. That being said I've seen 2am shows on ESPN pull well over a 3.0 rating (which is not happening with Hannah Montana) and NFL Primetime pulled well into the 4s when it was on Sunday nights (in perspective the NBA finals were pulling 6s on ABC). So whereas Fox News can count on Hannity & Colmes or O'Reilly everynight, or TNT can count on the Closer, sports programming is generally more sporadic. Also, on the higher end of ratings (which is what really counts anyway) outside of High School Musical 2, Monday Night Football blows everyone out of the water every week.

They were 10th in total day ratings for 2007.

..and still made more money than anyone else which is what really counts in the end. (granted i've not seen any HGTVZone restaurants or TNT Deportes).

I'm actually not trying to argue the numbers, just demonstrate that their market reach and appeal, much like MTV (even moreso even) goes beyond the actual programming. And because they're so amorphous with programming its tough to use traditional means to correlate number of viewers to dollars especially when ESPN's focus is generally on time spent viewing on an individual basis and less on large one-time-only audiences.

I'm actually not trying to argue the numbers,Me neither, but saying they are the highest rated cable network by far, is not accurate.


just demonstrate that their market reach and appeal, much like MTV (even moreso even) goes beyond the actual programming. And because they're so amorphous with programming its tough to use traditional means to correlate number of viewers to dollars especially when ESPN's focus is generally on time spent viewing on an individual basis and less on large one-time-only audiences.

Yes, almost all the audience research that ESPN releases has to do with time spent with the brand.

Dump Kornheiser, total waste of Oxygen.

:eek:

Except for his American Idol talk, I think he's great.

They were 10th in total day ratings for 2007.


I guess I'm weird, but espn being tenth means there is far too much studio crap being watched.(i.e. Survivor, Idol, and shows of this ilk)

I'm actually not trying to argue the numbers, just demonstrate that their market reach and appeal, much like MTV (even moreso even) goes beyond the actual programming.

Depends upon who they're trying to reach, I suppose. I am a major sports fan who only watches ESPN when there is a game of interest on. Just too much extraneous noise and self-promotion. Years ago it was by far the most watched channel in the household.

But I'm just an old (well, middle aged) fart, so what do I know. :)

ESPNEWS HD will have a side bar kinda like Fox Business HD, however, it will not be a rundown. It will contain stats and scores much like what is on the bottom of ESPNEWS SD right now.
Accoridng to the programming synopsis, ESPNEWS HD will have a stat bar on 3 sides of the screen. :rolleyes:

ESPNews HD - broadcasting 720p
HD version of the sports news channel, due on March 30, 2008. ESPNews HD will feature an innovative HD sideline graphic, which will wrap around the top left and bottom of the HD screen. The HD Sideline will offer the display of textual information, headshots, news, and scores, while still delivering video highlights in the HD format. It will also offer additional content not available on the standard definition ESPNews feed.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=164671

Accoridng to the programming synopsis, ESPNEWS HD will have a stat bar on 3 sides of the screen. :rolleyes:

Yes it will, and this is what it will look like: http://blog.daddah.com/2007/12/27/espnews-hd/

Depends upon who they're trying to reach, I suppose. I am a major sports fan who only watches ESPN when there is a game of interest on. Just too much extraneous noise and self-promotion. Years ago it was by far the most watched channel in the household.

But I'm just an old (well, middle aged) fart, so what do I know. :)

I am with you as us old farts dont matter any longer.;)

Yes it will, and this is what it will look like: http://blog.daddah.com/2007/12/27/espnews-hd/

That actually doesn't look all that bad. I was expecting far worse (like the current ESPNNews layout), but I guess the real test will be how it looks on my TV.

Will the SD feed look like that as well?

Will the SD feed look like that as well?

The SD feed will be redesigned, however, some information however will only be seen in HD.

That actually doesn't look all that bad. I was expecting far worse (like the current ESPNNews layout), but I guess the real test will be how it looks on my TV.

Yeah, I actually like that.

However, I won't be able to enjoy it unless Comcast adds it here, which doesn't look likely.

...this is what it will look like: http://blog.daddah.com/2007/12/27/espnews-hd/

A sports junkies dream.

Yeah, I actually like that.

However, I won't be able to enjoy it unless Comcast adds it here, which doesn't look likely.

I would say the same thing, if not for ESPN's enormous power when it comes to carriage agreements.

I would say the same thing, if not for ESPN's enormous power when it comes to carriage agreements.

That seems to hold true for most of their offerings, but it seems like ESPNU's carriage is pretty weak. I suspect that might change this fall, when ESPNU HD launches, in time for college football season.

I don't like it. If you give me an HD highlight, show it in HD. Not in 80% HD. Keep it on ESPN News.

And to boot, I am watching less of it because of the sidebar. Not because it is there, but because if there is nothing on the sidebar that looks like something I want to watch, I change the channel. I watched more without the sidebar because I didn't know what they were going to show a highlight of.

I noticed the other day that ESPN is now having sponsors on their bottom line. First off I don't care for the bottom line, but now forcing sponsors on that? Sorry but I'm not going to be buying anything from Kay Jewelers.

I noticed the other day that ESPN is now having sponsors on their bottom line. First off I don't care for the bottom line, but now forcing sponsors on that? Sorry but I'm not going to be buying anything from Kay Jewelers.

The BottomLine and the :18/:58 updates have been sponsored elements for quite some time during certain shows.

The BottomLine and the :18/:58 updates have been sponsored elements for quite some time during certain shows.
Shows how much I watch ESPN now. :D

I don't like it. If you give me an HD highlight, show it in HD. Not in 80% HD. Keep it on ESPN News.

Ironically, ESPNEWS HD will present 100% of the image since the graphics package maintains a (shrunken) 16:9 pane for the camera.

A sports junkies dream.


Information Over-LOAD! :D

The rundown and ticker are gone this morning. VERY NICE!!!!!!!!!!

I would like for it to stay this way, it looks clean.

UI noticed that, I was wondering if there was a problem. I actually got used to the sidebar. When I watch in the morning I watch the SD so the sidebar doesn't bother me. As for the bottom scroll, that is missed greatly as I can see all the scores instead of waiting for the highlights.

Or there could be a problem at Bottom Line Productions where the CGs that generate that data reside. I noticed they were having issues the last few days with the Bottom Line during the soccer matches and master control just took it out altogether.

This morning ESPNews HD had no data on the surrounding graphics. It just said to go to the the website.

This morning ESPNews HD had no data on the surrounding graphics. It just said to go to the the website.

That makes me think there is some software, firmware, sportswire or equipment failure or maintenance. Even though the networks physically use different hardware.

yea ive seen this happen before....its always comes back eventually.

a 4 month old thread resurrected....well it is friday the 13th.