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Ruined · 08-11-08, 11:18 AM

FAQ & BUG LIST

NEW 1.38 FIRMWARE LOCATED HERE:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ep...1FD_Ver138.zip

PROGRAMS TO BURN FIRMWARE
ImgBurn
ISO Recorder

RECOMMENDED STARTER SETTINGS FOR HDMI SETUPS [click below]

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Firmware 1.37 performance summary
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Bluray
Basic Disc (no bd-j, no bd+): 20-30 seconds
Advanced Disc (bd-j, no bd+): 25-45 seconds
Paranoid Disc (no bd-j, bd+): 45-55 seconds
Advanced Paranoid Disc (bd-j, bd+): 65-70 seconds

Power on to ready: ~30 seconds

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These are generally the longer loadtimes with this player, in-disc loading (if present at all) is generally very quick.

Blu-ray layer changes: seamless
DVD layer changes: seamless ***NEW for v1.38!

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PROCEDURES
- To get rid of the little black boxes in the upper right-hand corner:
* In the player setup menu, go to "Options" and set "Angle/Secondary Indicator" to OFF.

- To check your firmware version:
* In the player setup menu, go to "Video Out," highlight 16:9 under TV Aspect Ratio and press the blue button.

- To "reboot" the player if it has become unresponsive:
* Hold the power button on the front of the player for 5-10 seconds.

- To perform a factory reset: [click below] (try this if you are experiencing strange issues after FW upgrade)

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- I have lost video and/or sound after a firmware upgrade, what do I do:
* Perform a factory reset as described above and clear BDMV data.

- I have a rental Blu-ray Disc that is skipping. What do I do? [click below]

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- I have a 1080p HDTV. What resolution do I set the 51/05 to? [click below]

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-I am using the multichannel analog outputs and have little to no bass... What gives? [click below]

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-My 4:3 DVDs @ 1.33:1/fullscreen aspect are horizontally stretched, what do I do? [click below]

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-I tried the recommended settings and my blacks and/or whites appear crushed, or the image is overly dark!
* Under HDMI/Colorspace in the HOME MENU, try setting it to RGB 16-235. If that does not work try RGB 0-255. One of the two should give you proper black/white levels, the other one will have crushed blacks/whites (i.e. look overly dark).

-My player gives me a red screen whenever I watch BD+ protected/20th Century Fox/MGM Blu-ray Discs... What do I do?

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BUGS
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Blu-ray Problem discs (1.37 firmware)
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Blu-ray General Issues (1.37 firmware)
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Player duplicates surround channel information and outputs that same information over rear outputs for both analog multich and HDMI with 5.1 DTS-MA soundtracks (as opposed to using proper matrix processing or giving the user the option to leave the 5.1 > 7.1 channel upconversion to the receiver).
Confirmed with recording: (L: Left Surround, R: Left Rear) http://www.reflectonreality.com/51dupe71.wma (from Master and Commander)
Note that this bug applies to 7.1 setups only, 5.1 setups are unaffected.

BLU-RAY MENUS THAT NEED SPEED OPTIMIZATIONS (1.37 firmware)
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Death Proof Scene Selections are virtually unusuable
Planet Terror Scene Selections are virtually unusuable

SD DVD bugs (1.37 firmware)
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Peter Gabriel: PLAY The Videos - The DTS track (DTS 96/24 to be exact) plays at an extremely low volume (the DD tracks play normally). This happens if the Audio Priority is set to Analog. If you set the Audio Priority to "Digital" and bitstream to the processor via digital coax, the DTS track plays normally. This behavior started with v1.25a. The was no problem with previous firmware versions. -Saturn94

FORUM USER REQUESTS (1.37 firmware)
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-5.1 output on 7.1 setups over HDMI when decoding 5.1 DTS-HD soundtracks
-Further speed optimizations on disc loadtimes
-Further improved error correction for dirty/damaged discs
-Option to disable screensaver
-Ability to force 720p output

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DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 05FD & 51FD [click below]

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OTHER NOTES
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- Player works well with Reon chipset in Integra DTC-9.8/DTR-8.8/Onkyo 875/905/885 using Source Direct output for 480i DVD/1080i Blu-ray upconversion/deinterlacing.
- Resolution is changable on the fly.
- Must stop disc and go into setup menu for full selection of options.
- Player is very responsive in BD-J menus, very quick response in setup menus; overall excellent performance.
- SD DVD upconversion about on par with HQV Reon for most discs.
- Blu-ray 1080p24, 1080p60 & 1080i60 outputs are excellent; reference quality video & audio output overall.
- DTS-HD Master Audio decoding is now enabled in current firmware
- Error correction for dirty/damaged discs needs improvement
- "High speed HDMI" 24bit > 36bit color upconversion difference is very subtle, not mindblowing
- Under "Video Adjust" mode (bottom of remote when movie is playing), "Professional" mode outputs least processed image [credit to gonzalc3]
- Remote's enter button feels cheap.

Conclusion
I am very satisfied with this player, it kicks butt in both video and audio quality and is very responsive in menus!

08-11-08, 11:18 AM	#7 \| Link
Ruined AVS Special Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,171	FAQ & BUG LIST NEW 1.38 FIRMWARE LOCATED HERE: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ep...1FD_Ver138.zip PROGRAMS TO BURN FIRMWARE ImgBurn ISO Recorder RECOMMENDED STARTER SETTINGS FOR HDMI SETUPS [click below] Spoiler Recommended settings for HDMI setups HOME MENU (STOP playback of any Blu-ray Discs) ** Video Out -TV Aspect Ratio: 16:9/Widescreen -4:3 Video Out: Normal -DVD 16:9 Video Out: Letterbox -Still Picture: Auto Audio Out -N/A unless you are not using HDMI, in which case pick appropriate setting Speakers -N/A unless you are not using HDMI, in which case pick appropriate setting HDMI -HDMI High-Speed Transmission: On -HDMI Color Space: Auto -HDMI Audio Out: PCM (Switch to Auto if you want DTS-MA bitstreaming, but you will lose audio on PiP commentaries) -PQLS: Auto -HDMI Control: Off Language -N/A unless you are using a language other than English, in which case pick appropriate setting Parental Lock -N/A unless you need parental lock, in which case pick appropriate setting Options -Output Terminal Priority: Next Screen then HDMI/HDMI or appropriate setting -On Screen Display: On -Angle/Secondary Indicator: Off -Hybrid Disc Playback: BD -BDMV/BDAV Playback Priority: BDAV -Auto Power Off: On (or your preference) Setup Navigator -Run this the first time you use the player or after a factory reset is performed. VIDEO ADJUST MENU (While Blu-ray Disc is playing) Set to "Professional" RESOLUTION MENU (While BD disc is playing, RESOLUTION UP/DOWN BUTTONS on remote) -Set to "AUTO" for internal processing; on v1.17 firmware internal processing beats HQV Reon - also holds true for KURO sets, AUTO will provide you a better picture as the 51/05 internal upscaling is better than the Kuro's upscaling -Set to "Source Direct" if you need to force 24p or have a very high end scaler i.e. DVDO Edge, Lumagen Radiance, etc Firmware 1.37 performance summary * Bluray Basic Disc (no bd-j, no bd+): 20-30 seconds Advanced Disc (bd-j, no bd+): 25-45 seconds Paranoid Disc (no bd-j, bd+): 45-55 seconds Advanced Paranoid Disc (bd-j, bd+): 65-70 seconds Power on to ready: ~30 seconds -- These are generally the longer loadtimes with this player, in-disc loading (if present at all) is generally very quick. Blu-ray layer changes: seamless DVD layer changes: seamless *NEW for v1.38! =================================================== PROCEDURES - To get rid of the little black boxes in the upper right-hand corner:** * In the player setup menu, go to "Options" and set "Angle/Secondary Indicator" to OFF. - To check your firmware version: * In the player setup menu, go to "Video Out," highlight 16:9 under TV Aspect Ratio and press the blue button. - To "reboot" the player if it has become unresponsive: * Hold the power button on the front of the player for 5-10 seconds. - To perform a factory reset: [click below] (try this if you are experiencing strange issues after FW upgrade) Spoiler 1. Check that the player’s power is turned on. 2. When a disc is playing, press STOP to stop playback. Eject the disc from the player. 3. While pressing STOP, press STANDBY/ON. Operate using the buttons on the player’s front panel. * Use Setup Navigator in the player setup menu to restore settings after reset. - I have lost video and/or sound after a firmware upgrade, what do I do: * Perform a factory reset as described above and clear BDMV data. - I have a rental Blu-ray Disc that is skipping. What do I do? [click below] Spoiler Go to Rite Aid, CVS, or a camera store and buy the grey non-abrasive microfiber lens cleaner cloth (comes in a black pouch) and also their lens cleaner spray solution. Spray Blu-ray rental disc prior to playback, clean off ** that careless renters have accumulated on disc. Problem solved. Or, if you prefer to buy online: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...ens_Cloth.html http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...s_Cleaner.html - I have a 1080p HDTV. What resolution do I set the 51/05 to? [click below] Spoiler You have the following options using the resolution buttons on the remote: 1. AUTO - Best bet for most people. Detects if your TV is 1080p24 capable and sends 1080p24 if so. If not, it will send 1080p60. Deinterlacing/upconversion is done internally, and with firmware 1.17 the internal processing beats my Reon HQV chip. This setting also works well for sets that do not support 1080p. Make sure High Speed HDMI is on otherwise you will have issues getting 1080p/24 output with this setting. 2. Source Direct - Best bet for those with a very high-end scaler like DVDO Edge or those that need to force 24p. Bypasses internal processing and sends the source resolution of every disc to the display device/external processor - 1080p24 or 1080i60 for Blu-ray, 480i for DVD. This is also a good setting to use if you want 1080p24 for Blu-ray & you cannot get High Speed HDMI to work with your HDTV. 3. 1080p - Best bet if your TV has compatibility issues with 1080p24. This setting will have the player output 1080p60 all the time, using internal video processing to deinterlace & upscale 480i/1080i. -I am using the multichannel analog outputs and have little to no bass... What gives? [click below]** Spoiler * This is not a player issue. The problem is that your receiver is failing to apply the standard +10db gain to the LFE channel of the receiver's multichannel analog inputs. As a result, your LFE may be 10-15db quieter than it should be. To compensate for this, take the below steps. 1. Disable bass management on the 51FD/05FD. In other words, set all speakers to large and subwoofer to Yes. This will increase your LFE response by about 5db if you were previously using bass management. However that is not enough to fully compensate for your receiver's failure to amplify the LFE. You must also... 2. Set channel trims on the 51FD so that all speakers are net -10db lower than the sub. For instance, set the mains, center, and surrounds to -5db, while the sub is set to +5db. This combined with step #1 should close the gap. You are better off doing this in the player instead of the receiver, because doing it in the receiver will cause the LFE to be way off for all of your other sources. If you follow both of these steps, you should have a workable decent LFE channel. It may not be perfect, but with your particular setup it is probably the best you are going to do. -My 4:3 DVDs @ 1.33:1/fullscreen aspect are horizontally stretched, what do I do? [click below] Spoiler 1. Stop disc playback and go to "HOME"/setup menu 2. Go to "Video Out" 3. Go to "4:3 Video Out" and set to "NORMAL" -Okay I just did that but my widescreen nonanamorphic DVDs have bars on all sides now? * Simply use your TV's zoom mode. -I tried the recommended settings and my blacks and/or whites appear crushed, or the image is overly dark! * Under HDMI/Colorspace in the HOME MENU, try setting it to RGB 16-235. If that does not work try RGB 0-255. One of the two should give you proper black/white levels, the other one will have crushed blacks/whites (i.e. look overly dark). -My player gives me a red screen whenever I watch BD+ protected/20th Century Fox/MGM Blu-ray Discs... What do I do? Spoiler Click here for info on the fix. BUGS -- Blu-ray Problem discs (1.37 firmware) ********************************** Blu-ray General Issues (1.37 firmware) ******************************** Player duplicates surround channel information and outputs that same information over rear outputs for both analog multich and HDMI with 5.1 DTS-MA soundtracks (as opposed to using proper matrix processing or giving the user the option to leave the 5.1 > 7.1 channel upconversion to the receiver). Confirmed with recording: (L: Left Surround, R: Left Rear) http://www.reflectonreality.com/51dupe71.wma (from Master and Commander) Note that this bug applies to 7.1 setups only, 5.1 setups are unaffected. BLU-RAY MENUS THAT NEED SPEED OPTIMIZATIONS (1.37 firmware) ******************************** Death Proof Scene Selections are virtually unusuable Planet Terror Scene Selections are virtually unusuable SD DVD bugs (1.37 firmware) ******************************** Peter Gabriel: PLAY The Videos - The DTS track (DTS 96/24 to be exact) plays at an extremely low volume (the DD tracks play normally). This happens if the Audio Priority is set to Analog. If you set the Audio Priority to "Digital" and bitstream to the processor via digital coax, the DTS track plays normally. This behavior started with v1.25a. The was no problem with previous firmware versions. -Saturn94 FORUM USER REQUESTS (1.37 firmware) ******************************** -5.1 output on 7.1 setups over HDMI when decoding 5.1 DTS-HD soundtracks -Further speed optimizations on disc loadtimes -Further improved error correction for dirty/damaged discs -Option to disable screensaver -Ability to force 720p output ==================================================== DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 05FD & 51FD [click below] Spoiler Internal differences: -05FD has higher quality analog component video DAC. -05FD can use HDMI for audio WITHOUT using HDMI for video. 51FD requires you use HDMI for video in order to support HDMI for audio. Cosmetic differences: -05FD has touch capacitance controls vs. buttons on the 51FD -05FD has glossy black metal front plate (likely to enable touch cap.) vs. glossy black plastic front plate on the 51FD -05FD has gold plated rear terminals vs. standard terminals on the 51FD -05FD has primarily gold highlights vs. silver highlights on the 51FD -05FD has amber LED display vs. white LED display on the 51FD -05FD remote has metal buttons vs. plastic buttons on 51FD - enter button feels cheap on both, however. -05FD has Elite badge, 51FD does not. Other differences: -05FD has a 2yr warranty, 51FD only has a 1yr warranty. Non-differences: -Both have the same analog audio DACs -Both have identical output quality over HDMI (Audio & Video) -Both have the Pioneer-specific PQLS jitter-elimination circuit -Both have a general jitter-reduction circuit -Both support the same sound formats, have the same outputs, and support the same features in software -Both are of the same general build quality -Both use the same firmware OTHER NOTES -- - Player works well with Reon chipset in Integra DTC-9.8/DTR-8.8/Onkyo 875/905/885 using Source Direct output for 480i DVD/1080i Blu-ray upconversion/deinterlacing. - Resolution is changable on the fly. - Must stop disc and go into setup menu for full selection of options. - Player is very responsive in BD-J menus, very quick response in setup menus; overall excellent performance. - SD DVD upconversion about on par with HQV Reon for most discs. - Blu-ray 1080p24, 1080p60 & 1080i60 outputs are excellent; reference quality video & audio output overall. - DTS-HD Master Audio decoding is now enabled in current firmware - Error correction for dirty/damaged discs needs improvement - "High speed HDMI" 24bit > 36bit color upconversion difference is very subtle, not mindblowing - Under "Video Adjust" mode (bottom of remote when movie is playing), "Professional" mode outputs least processed image [credit to gonzalc3] - Remote's enter button feels cheap. Conclusion** I am very satisfied with this player, it kicks butt in both video and audio quality and is very responsive in menus! Last edited by Ruined; 02-07-10 at 11:45 AM..