My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences...

[MozartMan]

Originally Posted by benjust

Hi Guys,

Has anyone tried muxing AVC video and AC3/AAC audio from existing files (ie. MKV/OGM files) into a BD9 layout without transcoding?

I just found out about BD9 and I would love to convert a bunch of existing HD material into BD9 discs for use on a standalone player.

However, I definately do NOT want to transcode/reencode the video or audio.

benjust,

Check out original TSRemux thread on Doom9 forum. I think somebody was able to do that.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

[alluringreality]

In more working on our patterns disk it appears that my BDP-S1 works different than the PS3. I can play our mpeg2 files (no audio) unconverted with BDMV on a DVD with the levels looking correct as previously described. The PS3 apparently has to go to file mode to play that way. We are probably needing a way to get the Ulead software to accept video and not transcode it using the AVCHD option

In http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...ssageID=556357 there is talk about Movie Factory being able to accept video and not having to transcode it when going to AVCHD by 4eyes. Has anyone been able to do that and have it play as an AVCHD on the PS3? Basically we want to do the encoding and then just have Ulead accept the video and not transcode it, similar to how the Blu-ray option works for mpeg2 video. We have tried feeding it a couple mov files, but even with the "do not..." check set it still transcodes. Any ideas?

[space2001]

it would be great if we could a get a tool that can fix avc files so we don't have to re-encode them.

I have tons of avc files from my DVR that I would like to put on Blu-ray, but they are not complient.

[cinemeccanica]

Good Job benes!! thank you

[alluringreality]

Originally Posted by space2001

it would be great if we could a get a tool that can fix avc files so we don't have to re-encode them.

I keep reading that the Ulead software should accept m2ts. Have you tried TsRemux?

[space2001]

I have tried a whole bunch of different methods, but it introduces stuttering in the video and the audio is off. the best I have found is xmuxer Pro, but there is still audio delay on it.

it has to do with AVC on HD DVD with all the flags they put in the AVC file. I believe is its a 23.97fps but flagged as 29.97. Which is not in the blu-ray standard. VC-1 seems to work well. havn't had any problems with those.

[framura]

Hi benes,

I followed your guide to re-author some my BDs or HD-DVDs (to remove some audio launguages without any video reencoding) and my produced BDs works very well (now I would like to add some menu but it's not easy).

I have only a problem: subtitles.

With Scenarist the only sub format file accepted it's BDN (an xml file descriptor) and associated png images or exists another way to import subtitles file?

Can you help me?

TIA

P.S.: thanks for your guide

[Brajesh]

Have you guys authored Blu-ray to DVD-Rs w/MPEG2 content? When I use TSRemux, I end up w/an AVCHD disc, as my PS3 sees it, even though it's MPEG2. Disc autoplays, but no video w/sound only. If I use Ulead DVDMF6+ HD pack to author a BDMV, my PS3 sees the DVD-R as a "Data Disc" & won't autoplay.

All I want to be able to do is create a BDMV w/MPEG 2 on a DVD-R that the PS3 will autoplay properly. Can it be done?

[framura]

Some progress on subtitle side: I have created a BDN file with timing info from sst file (created by supread) and imported in Scenarist: it works.

I able to display subtitle with PDVD but I must to know how to set subtitle position on screen automatically but it's a start.

Bye

[MozartMan]

Originally Posted by Brajesh

Have you guys authored Blu-ray to DVD-Rs w/MPEG2 content?
..........
All I want to be able to do is create a BDMV w/MPEG 2 on a DVD-R that the PS3 will autoplay properly. Can it be done?

Yes, I did.
.....
Yes, it can.

I used TSremux. It plays perfectly on PS3.
I used .TS file (1920x1080) recorded from cable broadcast on one DVD+RW disk, and I used .M2T HDV file (1440x1080i) on the second disk. With HDV file I had to demux video and audio, re-encode MPA audio track to AC3, and then mux back. Blu-ray specs don't allow MPEG audio on BDMV disks.

Originally Posted by Brajesh

When I use TSRemux, I end up w/an AVCHD disc, as my PS3 sees it, even though it's MPEG2.

That's the way DMZ released the latest version of TSremux so you can put MPEG-2 videos on DVDs as BDMV disk and play on PS3 or stand alones. Kudos to DMZ!
Blu-ray specs don't allow MPEG-2 on DVD, only AVCHD. So, TSRemux fools PS3 and makes the DVD disk to look like AVCHD disk with AVCHD video.

Originally Posted by Brajesh

Disc autoplays, but no video w/sound only.

May be bad video, or bad burn.

[Brajesh]

MozartMan, I'll try doing MPEG2 as AVCHD w/TSRemux on DVD media again. When burning w/Nero, do I need to do anything special other than...
1. Choose DVD-ROM (UDF)
2. Choose partition manually to UDF 2.50
3. Drag BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders to root of DVD structure
4. Label the DVD 'BD_TEST' or anything (does it matter?)
5. Burn

Do I need to set the DVD writer to "physical disc" type using Nero? ... or leave it as automatic? or DVD-ROM? Thanks.

[maxleung]

framura, how did you create the BDN file? Can you provide step-by-step? Thanks!

[MozartMan]

Originally Posted by Brajesh

MozartMan, I'll try doing MPEG2 as AVCHD w/TSRemux on DVD media again. When burning w/Nero, do I need to do anything special other than...
1. Choose DVD-ROM (UDF)
2. Choose partition manually to UDF 2.50
3. Drag BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders to root of DVD structure
4. Label the DVD 'BD_TEST' or anything (does it matter?)
5. Burn

Do I need to set the DVD writer to "physical disc" type using Nero? ... or leave it as automatic? or DVD-ROM? Thanks.

Your process is the same as mine. Label doesn't matter.

When you select "Manual" and choose UDF 2.50, "physical disk" should show up as default option. If not, select it.

[framura]

Originally Posted by maxleung

framura, how did you create the BDN file? Can you provide step-by-step? Thanks!

The BDN file it's a file with following format:
------------------------------------------------------------
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<BDN Version="0.93" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="BD-03-006-0093b BDN File Format.xsd">
<Description>
<Name Title="English" Content=""/>
<Language Code="eng"/>
<Format VideoFormat="1080p" FrameRate="23.976" DropFrame="false"/>
<Events LastEventOutTC="01:36:49:16" FirstEventInTC="00:00:24:18" ContentInTC="00:00:24:18" ContentOutTC="01:36:49:16" NumberofEvents="12" Type="Graphic"/>
</Description>
<Events>
<Event Forced="False" InTC="00:00:24:18" OutTC="00:00:26:16">
<Graphic Width="1920" Height="1080" X="0" Y="0">line0001.png</Graphic>
</Event>
..
..
..
</Events>
</BDN>
----------------------------------------------------

Various xml TAGs are autoexplicative: the above xml it's for graphic subtitle (images linexxxx.png) but it's also possible to use text subtitle (but in this case are required many others attribute, like palette, colors).

You can import a similar xml file with import BDN Scenarist function and to insert the associated PG in the clip.

To create a BDN file now I would like to develop a little program to create it from sst file (easy for Graphic BDN file, not easy for Text BDN file format).

Bye

[maxleung]

Thanks framura, that is very helpful!

[space2001]

I was able to Hexedit the header of a AVC and remove the 3:2 crap, but now I get a FrameRateCode is incorrect, does anyone know where in the header that would be

[space2001]

thanks Benes for all your help, I wonder if a BD9 will work on the ps3 now

[space2001]

I have successfully done a hd dvd to AVCHD you need a AVC structure.

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-page...-pid-1051.html

that is where I got the structure from and you have to do some Hexediting on the playlist file, but other then that it workd really well and you can DTS 1.5mbs

first use evodemux.
then EActo to convert teh DD+ or TRUEHD to DTS or DD
Then use scenarist to author it.
after split the M2TS using the HDsplit into 4 gig(single layer) or 8.5 gig(dual layer) chunks
then use TSremux for each file and just overwrite the proper files with the AVCHD Structure and don't for get to rename the files from the mini blu-ray guide.

[dr1394]

Originally Posted by space2001

I was able to Hexedit the header of a AVC and remove the 3:2 crap, but now I get a FrameRateCode is incorrect, does anyone know where in the header that would be

I believe it's derived from timing_info. The frame rate is calculated by dividing time_scale by num_units_in_tick. In the example below, 27000000 / 450450 = 59.94. But that's an illegal frame rate if frame_mbs_only_flag = 1. It's needs to be changed to 23.976 fps. In Blu-ray AVC streams, the values num_units_in_tick = 1001 and time_scale = 48000 or num_units_in_tick = 5005 and time_scale = 240000 are used.

Also, gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag must be set to zero.

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | more
h264_parse - mpeg4ip version 1.5.0.1
Nal length 6 start code 4 bytes
 ref 0 type 9 Access unit delimeter
   primary_pic_type: 0
Nal length 47 start code 4 bytes
 ref 3 type 7 Sequence parameter set
   profile: 100
   constaint_set0_flag: 0
   constaint_set1_flag: 0
   constaint_set2_flag: 0
   constaint_set3_flag: 0
   level_idc: 41
   seq parameter set id: 0
   chroma format idx: 1
   bit depth luma minus8: 0
   bit depth chroma minus8: 0
   Qpprime Y Zero Transform Bypass flag: 0
   Seq Scaling Matrix Present Flag: 0
   log2_max_frame_num_minus4: 12
   pic_order_cnt_type: 0
    log2_max_pic_order_cnt_lsb_minus4: 4
   num_ref_frames: 2
   gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 1
   pic_width_in_mbs_minus1: 119 (1920)
   pic_height_in_map_minus1: 67
   frame_mbs_only_flag: 1
     derived height: 1088
   direct_8x8_inference_flag: 1
   frame_cropping_flag: 1
     frame_crop_left_offset: 0
     frame_crop_right_offset: 0
     frame_crop_top_offset: 0
     frame_crop_bottom_offset: 4
   vui_parameters_present_flag: 1
    aspect_ratio_info_present_flag: 1
     aspect_ratio_idc:1
    overscan_info_present_flag: 0
    video_signal_info_present_flag: 1
     video_format: 5
     video_full_range_flag: 0
     colour_description_present_flag: 1
      colour_primaries: 1
      transfer_characteristics: 1
      matrix_coefficients: 1
    chroma_loc_info_present_flag: 0
    timing_info_present_flag: 1
     num_units_in_tick: 450450             <-----------------
     time_scale: 27000000                  <-----------------
     fixed_frame_scale: 1
    nal_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 1
     cpb_cnt_minus1: 0
     bit_rate_scale: 0
     cpb_size_scale: 0
      bit_rate_value_minus1[0]: 359374
      cpb_size_value_minus1[0]: 921599
      cbr_flag[0]: 0
     initial_cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 30
     cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 7
     dpb_output_delay_length_minus1: 7
     time_offset_length: 0
    vcl_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 0
    low_delay_hrd_flag: 0
    pic_struct_present_flag: 1
    motion_vectors_over_pic_boundaries_flag: 1
    max_bytes_per_pic_denom: 0
    max_bits_per_mb_denom: 0
    log2_max_mv_length_horizontal: 12
    log2_max_mv_length_vertical: 12
    num_reorder_frames: 4
     max_dec_frame_buffering: 4

Ron

[bfdtv]

Originally Posted by alluringreality

In http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...ssageID=556357 there is talk about Movie Factory being able to accept video and not having to transcode it when going to AVCHD by 4eyes. Has anyone been able to do that and have it play as an AVCHD on the PS3? Basically we want to do the encoding and then just have Ulead accept the video and not transcode it, similar to how the Blu-ray option works for mpeg2 video. We have tried feeding it a couple mov files, but even with the "do not..." check set it still transcodes. Any ideas?

I've done that.

You've got to use valid AVCHD format files. A Quicktime movie is not a valid AVCHD format file.

[Phloyd]

Originally Posted by dr1394

Also, gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag must be set to zero.

Hi Ron,

I have always wondered why HD DVD has this flag set. It would not seem reasonable for a packaged media encode to have gaps in the frame num sequence I would think...?

Do you have any insight into why AVC for HD DVD has this flag set (where, as you noted, it is not allowed in BD compatible AVC).

Just curious.

[space2001]

Originally Posted by dr1394

I believe it's derived from timing_info. The frame rate is calculated by dividing time_scale by num_units_in_tick. In the example below, 27000000 / 450450 = 59.94. But that's an illegal frame rate if frame_mbs_only_flag = 1. It's needs to be changed to 23.976 fps. In Blu-ray AVC streams, the values num_units_in_tick = 1001 and time_scale = 48000 or num_units_in_tick = 5005 and time_scale = 240000 are used.

Also, gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag must be set to zero.

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | more
h264_parse - mpeg4ip version 1.5.0.1
Nal length 6 start code 4 bytes
 ref 0 type 9 Access unit delimeter
   primary_pic_type: 0
Nal length 47 start code 4 bytes
 ref 3 type 7 Sequence parameter set
   profile: 100
   constaint_set0_flag: 0
   constaint_set1_flag: 0
   constaint_set2_flag: 0
   constaint_set3_flag: 0
   level_idc: 41
   seq parameter set id: 0
   chroma format idx: 1
   bit depth luma minus8: 0
   bit depth chroma minus8: 0
   Qpprime Y Zero Transform Bypass flag: 0
   Seq Scaling Matrix Present Flag: 0
   log2_max_frame_num_minus4: 12
   pic_order_cnt_type: 0
    log2_max_pic_order_cnt_lsb_minus4: 4
   num_ref_frames: 2
   gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 1
   pic_width_in_mbs_minus1: 119 (1920)
   pic_height_in_map_minus1: 67
   frame_mbs_only_flag: 1
     derived height: 1088
   direct_8x8_inference_flag: 1
   frame_cropping_flag: 1
     frame_crop_left_offset: 0
     frame_crop_right_offset: 0
     frame_crop_top_offset: 0
     frame_crop_bottom_offset: 4
   vui_parameters_present_flag: 1
    aspect_ratio_info_present_flag: 1
     aspect_ratio_idc:1
    overscan_info_present_flag: 0
    video_signal_info_present_flag: 1
     video_format: 5
     video_full_range_flag: 0
     colour_description_present_flag: 1
      colour_primaries: 1
      transfer_characteristics: 1
      matrix_coefficients: 1
    chroma_loc_info_present_flag: 0
    timing_info_present_flag: 1
     num_units_in_tick: 450450             <-----------------
     time_scale: 27000000                  <-----------------
     fixed_frame_scale: 1
    nal_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 1
     cpb_cnt_minus1: 0
     bit_rate_scale: 0
     cpb_size_scale: 0
      bit_rate_value_minus1[0]: 359374
      cpb_size_value_minus1[0]: 921599
      cbr_flag[0]: 0
     initial_cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 30
     cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 7
     dpb_output_delay_length_minus1: 7
     time_offset_length: 0
    vcl_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 0
    low_delay_hrd_flag: 0
    pic_struct_present_flag: 1
    motion_vectors_over_pic_boundaries_flag: 1
    max_bytes_per_pic_denom: 0
    max_bits_per_mb_denom: 0
    log2_max_mv_length_horizontal: 12
    log2_max_mv_length_vertical: 12
    num_reorder_frames: 4
     max_dec_frame_buffering: 4

Ron

ron how would I change these values to make my file correct for Blu-ray I want to avoid having to rencode the video. thanks

[dr1394]

Originally Posted by space2001

ron how would I change these values to make my file correct for Blu-ray I want to avoid having to rencode the video. thanks

This is just for the frame rate.

Original HD-DVD H.264 elementary stream:



Edited:



Ron

[dr1394]

Originally Posted by Phloyd

Hi Ron,

I have always wondered why HD DVD has this flag set. It would not seem reasonable for a packaged media encode to have gaps in the frame num sequence I would think...?

Do you have any insight into why AVC for HD DVD has this flag set (where, as you noted, it is not allowed in BD compatible AVC).

Just curious.

To be honest, I'm still on the learning curve with H.264 syntax. The whole frame numbering scheme seems fairly complex, and I haven't really grokked it yet.

My gut feeling is that just changing gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag to 0 may not be enough. You may have to go and fix up the frame numbers to avoid playback issues. Dunno.

It almost seems like these Blu-ray H.264 restrictions were done to specifically prevent HD-DVD content from ending up on Blu-ray.

Ron

[Phloyd]

Originally Posted by dr1394

To be honest, I'm still on the learning curve with H.264 syntax. The whole frame numbering scheme seems fairly complex, and I haven't really grokked it yet.

My gut feeling is that just changing gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag to 0 may not be enough. You may have to go and fix up the frame numbers to avoid playback issues. Dunno.

It almost seems like these Blu-ray H.264 restrictions were done to specifically prevent HD-DVD content from ending up on Blu-ray.

Perhaps.

With respect to the frame gap thing, the frame num variable for AVC is one of the strangest things I have seen for quite some time in 'syntax' space. That said, the gap flag seems to me to be a mechanism for broadcast to allow for frames dropped due to outages. I could be wrong, but that is what it seems to me.

So it seems very odd to enable it for a packaged media encode.

I am sure that if there were gaps in the frame_num sequence it would cause at least a little problem for the decoder if that flag was not set. I was kinda hoping you would know ... perhaps we should ask Amir.

[alluringreality]

Is there any chance that the ps3bdfix from http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post12369935 would work to get BDMV on DVD from Ulead Movie Factory to play on the PS3 as an AVCHD? From reading the thread I got the impression that might not be the issue with why BDMV on DVD will work on my BDP-S1 but not on the PS3.

[space2001]

Originally Posted by dr1394

This is just for the frame rate.

Original HD-DVD H.264 elementary stream:



Edited:



Ron

I get an error in mui generator

invalid timing info(DTS of 12th AU is not greater than DTS of previous AU

[Phloyd]

Originally Posted by space2001

I get an error in mui generator

invalid timing info(DTS of 12th AU is not greater than DTS of previous AU

The header shown appears in the stream many times - you will need to change all of them to be consistent.

[space2001]

thanks

[space2001]

ok problem the file I am hexediting is 21 gigs after I hexedit it the file is only 600 megs, I don't think its opening the whole file.

I am using XVI32 for it, am I doing something wrong.

Thanks