If Joe Kane can get it right why cant the studios.

[Alan Gouger]

If Joe Kane can get it right why cant the studios.

Just got my DVE disc today. The demo material is great.
No banding or edge enhancement.

Only if our movies looked this good. Its nice to see something with no EE yet naturally sharp. Even Peter Bracke has been complaining more about EE lately in his reviews.

Disc looks great though, Thanks Mr Kane.

[sharkshark]

(isn't this the time that we tell Alan to use the search feature for the other DVE threads?)

I think, to be fair however, that if the studios took a year for each release and only had to encode three or four minute clips that we'd be seeing the same A+ quality on all releases.

Oh, and speaking of Peter:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/digit...ialshddvd.html

Still, Alan, rhetorical point accepted...

[Gary Murrell]

damn I need to get this

should be good for comparing HDMI vs HD-SDI

-Gary

[AES256]

Just got mine as well today

I suspect that one of the reasons could also very well be that the projects to transfer film titles to HD are not necessarily being carried out by the best people for the job.
I remember a podcast a while back where the Warners crew responsible for the classic back catalogue material mentioned how disappointed they were with the quality of the Tom & Jerry Spotlight Collection releases and the errors made using the wrong prints as source material. They also stated that they were inexplicably not given the project of restoring and releasing these titles but that the work was given over to the Children's DVD department at Warner Bros.

If this kind of occurrence is typical, then seeing less-than-stellar releases on HD is maybe not that surprising.

[Art Sonneborn]

If nothing else Joe is keeping up his end for maintaining quality in all things video. Personally I agree though Alan , give us the best video possible. Realistically that is what HD is about isn't it?

Have you guys taken a look at these spectacular comparisons done here by madshi ?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=841459

Art

[madpoet]

Problem is of course Joe didn't get it right with disc navigation and with the audio test tones

[Kris Deering]

Not really a title to compare to film though. Most of the disc is test patterns, which don't require a lot of bandwidth. There is only about 20 minutes of actual video on the disc, and some of it is actually scaled from a 720p24 master.

I haven't seen any EE yet on HD DVD or Blu-ray. Maybe a smidgen on a long shot in King Arthur, but that is it. What projector are you using now Alan? If you are still using the SIM 3-chip 720p you could just be seeing scaling, but I thought you were using a 1080p display now.

[Art Sonneborn]

Chris there is very minor edge halos on several titles. There is some in U 571 and Night at the Museum just as examples. It's absolutely nothing compared to SD DVD but there none the less.

Art

[PNYBOY]

Can anyone confirm if he's addressed the LFE problem that was evident on the DVD version?

[Alan Gouger]

Guys sorry for starting another thread if the topic has already been covered. I did not see anything on the first page.

Chris
Ive been a 1080 convert for almost a year. I am currently running the Ruby but at times get to spend a week or two with other 1080ps as well. EE has been a pet peeve of mine for a while. Even the reviewers are starting to make note of it on the latest titles.
As mentioned by Art not as bad as standard def DVD but its there. Not on all titles, there are some great transfers but more have this then not. Banding is on everything as well and both camps are guilty but I did not see any of this on Joes disc. Im sure he took the care to catch it and correct for it before the disc went to print. Nice to see a reference disc and know it is possible to produce a disc without these artifacts.

[mhafner]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I haven't seen any EE yet on HD DVD or Blu-ray.

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[Fettastic]

Apparently the DVE disc is a total mess with frequent freeze-ups. The tutorials aren't even on the HD side!

[Fettastic]

Originally Posted by madpoet

Problem is of course Joe didn't get it right with disc navigation and with the audio test tones

Making them TrueHD only makes them completely useless for 360 owners.

And bout the video, you'd think the guy could make the effort to actually shoot something new! The World Trade Center is visible in some of them!

[PNYBOY]

Can anyone confirm if he's addressed the LFE problem that was evident on the DVD version?

[Gary Murrell]

I've seen plenty EE on HD and Blu-ray, so I agree with Alan there, nearly every Sony BD title(specifically catalog titles like Big Hit for example) has some EE, Tears of the Sun very bad!

HD has it's share also

-Gary

[cinedream]

where can you see the wtc on this disc ? during the nasa montage ?

[vancouver]

Originally Posted by madpoet

Problem is of course Joe didn't get it right with disc navigation and with the audio test tones

forgive me for not searching other threads to find out what you mean by this. What is wrong with the audio test tones?

[madpoet]

They're off... the LFE is hot, and some of the pink noise tests are apparently off as well.

[vancouver]

Originally Posted by madpoet

They're off... the LFE is hot, and some of the pink noise tests are apparently off as well.

Frustrating. Any word from Joe on this? If its known then shouldnt it be returnable?

[madpoet]

It's a known issue from the LAST version

[vancouver]

Originally Posted by madpoet

It's a known issue from the LAST version

ok..sorry I thought we were talking about the HD DVD version. I just got my display professionally calibrated, so the sound test will liely be more important to me. I am curious, however, to know how the test look since my set has been professionally done.

[madpoet]

No, sorry... I mean it's been a problem SINCE the last version. I.e. it was broken there, and it is still broken here.

[umr]

I would stick with Avia for audio at this time. It is a shame they did not fix the audio for this disc. I was also disappointed that they did not provide the tests for all of the audio codecs. I doubt I will ever use this disc for much.

[Mark Booth]

I got my DVE HD today too. I spent some time just checking out the various segments, test patterns and audio clips. Disc navigation worked fine for me. No freeze ups or other problems at all. The shuttle launch and other video demonstration clips are fantastic!! Very nice!

FWIW, I had previously calibrated my Toshiba HD-XA2/JVC HD70FH96 combo with AVIA (SD). Judging by what I saw looking at a few of the patterns on the DVE HD, I think I'm pretty darn close simply using the AVIA disc.

Mark

[DavidHir]

Originally Posted by umr

I would stick with Avia for audio at this time. It is a shame they did not fix the audio for this disc. I was also disappointed that they did not provide the tests for all of the audio codecs. I doubt I will ever use this disc for much.

umr,

Have you had a chance to verify the color decoding of HD DVE? I ask because I was using the "Dr. Z" color bars previously which were said to be accurate according to some other calibrators...however, they do differ from HD DVD. I'm not sure which is correct.

[curtisb]

Just got mine today to (after telling them not to ship it as I ordered it 6 months ago).

I was stunned that it appears to just be a poorly done port of something made in in the mid to late 90's. The menu's on both sides were baffling to navigate. The video's on the DVD side were laughable as you can't have an HD-DVD combo disc with video's from 10 years ago showing tape as ushering in 'the future' of HD movies.

The deal killer is that trying to access the test patters on the HD-DVD side freezes the player. (My Children of Men plays fine for me fortunately)

For all the good things I've read about Joe over the years, how 'amateurish' this disc's production values, and how poor the usability, and quality is, is very disappointing.

[Star56]

Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn

If nothing else Joe is keeping up his end for maintaining quality in all things video. Personally I agree though Alan , give us the best video possible. Realistically that is what HD is about isn't it?

Have you guys taken a look at these spectacular comparisons done here by madshi ?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=841459

Art

WOW! Thanks for the heads up on this comparison. It is spectacular.

[umr]

Originally Posted by DavidHir

umr,

Have you had a chance to verify the color decoding of HD DVE? I ask because I was using the "Dr. Z" color bars previously which were said to be accurate according to some other calibrators...however, they do differ from HD DVD. I'm not sure which is correct.

I don't have a tool to analyze what is on the disc. I will say they appear to be at least very close to correct if not exactly correct. I do not use players to generate static video test patterns.

[TV Casualty]

Originally Posted by Fettastic

Making them TrueHD only makes them completely useless for 360 owners.

Hey, look at it this way - until the 360 dashboard update, it's useless to 360 owners anyway.

[CMRA]

Originally Posted by Alan Gouger

If Joe Kane can get it right why cant the studios.

Just got my DVE disc today. The demo material is great.
No banding or edge enhancement.

Only if our movies looked this good. .

Gee Boss, I'm not sure what to think of this. I and others still frequent the theater often, if only to see NEW releases, and with the exception of MI3 agree the HDDVD/BD transfers smoke the film prints we see everytime.

At the end of each home showing I always ask, "As good as the theater?" The reply is ALWAYS, "better".

We suspect the studios are using much better prints for making their transfers than what is released for general distribution. With that in our favor, what's an occassional wart? Just my $.02.