BLU-RAY SALES THREAD: Put all sales figures and comments here!

[lilstinky]

Originally Posted by wingknut

OK....where should I put my money?

I've had a strong lean towards HD-DVD but now things are getting even imo. I still lean towards HD-DVD because many of my old favorites are on that format(Warner has been favoring HD-DVD with catalog stuff but they should be releasing this stuff on Blu-Ray at some point). I really don't think you can go wrong with either format and I'd look through the library of each format and see which has the most of your favorite movies. My favorites on the HD-DVD side are The Thing, The Matrix, Children of Men, Serenity and Casino. On the Blu-Ray side I have Layer Cake, Casino Royal, POTC, The Prestige and Fifth Element as my favorites. Like I said things are pretty even and imo Blu has a focus on a younger crowd while HD-DVD has a focus on the older crowd. Hope this helps.

[john_nemesh]

New article from DailyTech:

http://www.dailytech.com/Sony+Boasts...rticle8678.htm

Basically, they have sold almost 1 Million discs in the US and about 250,000 in the UK (only 70 titles there, whats up guys??)

Its a puff piece but still interesting....

[Goatspeed]

And another route this past week:

[RDarrylR]

Once again, the only HD-DVD movie in the top 10 is 300.

[lilstinky]

Originally Posted by Mel2

yes, including this week. I don't see lower than 66 for the blades of glory week. sorry but comedies aren't groundbreakers. i predicted 76 for tomorrow(last week).

I know the Frys Labor Day sale will help Blu-Ray on its numbers this week. I just bought four Blu-Rays that I wouldn't have had it not been for the sale.

[Shug7272]

Originally Posted by Goatspeed

And another route this past week:

Holy ****. So much for anyone caring about the Paramount move. Matter of fact, if it werent for Blu Ray, Paramount wouldnt have made it in the top 20. WOW. Next week will be interesting. If HD DVD cant win next week, I dont see when it will.

[jkcheng122]

Originally Posted by Shug7272

Holy ****. So much for anyone caring about the Paramount move. Matter of fact, if it werent for Blu Ray, Paramount wouldnt have made it in the top 20. WOW. Next week will be interesting. If HD DVD cant win next week, I dont see when it will.

dunno about winning, but they sure as hell will pull closer when Transformers is released.

[RDarrylR]

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

dunno about winning, but they sure as hell will pull closer when Transformers is released.

I think the only chance that HD-DVD has of "winning a week" in the Nielsen ratings in the rest of this year is the 1 week that Transformers is released. Depending on what the Blu side releases in the same week it may be hard to win even that week.

[theforce8686]

Originally Posted by RDarrylR

I think the only chance that HD-DVD has of "winning a week" in the Nielsen ratings in the rest of this year is the 1 week that Transformers is released. Depending on what the Blu side releases in the same week it may be hard to win even that week.

Im not 100% sure but I heard originally Pirates 3 and transformers were being released on the same day. Im to lazy to look it up so dont quote that as a fact.

[RDarrylR]

Originally Posted by theforce8686

Im not 100% sure but I heard originally Pirates 3 and transformers were being released on the same day. Im to lazy to look it up so dont quote that as a fact.

Well if they did that than there isn't much chance of HD-DVD winning that week either then.

[jebel]

From http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news...llion_Mark/915

[Shug7272]

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

dunno about winning, but they sure as hell will pull closer when Transformers is released.

Nah, thats around the time tons of bombs will be going off for Blu Ray. IMO of course though. It will not be in the limelight long with SM and POTC coming, just to name a few.

I think the top 20 says it all. I am also guessing by that time there may be a real price cut on PS3's. If not PS3 sales will be through the roof anyhow due to the season. Paramount is really nowhere to be found in the attached image, they aint doing much.

[Lee Stewart]

According to Sony's release, Blu-ray discs now account for 69% of the total high-definition market in Europe, with Sony titles making up more than 47% of the total European Blu-ray market.

And now a word from Ken G. at IFA:

Says affordability is important. HD DVD has 70% of current standalone player sales.

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=65757

Na na na na na na . . . beat you by 1% . . . . sale of 2 players to Gertruide Smith down the road.

[Kosty]

Hardware sales versus Software sales.

mano a mano

which is more inportant in the long run......

[user4avsforum]

Originally Posted by Kosty

Hardware sales versus Software sales.

mano a mano

which is more inportant in the long run......

Is this a trick question? The answer is Hardware every time and twice on Sunday.

Hardware sales will equal media sales. Just look at the effect all those early PS3 sales had on BD. Even though for each PS3 sold a relatively small amount of media is sold the absolute numbers are high (compared to HD DVD, low compared to DVD). If HD DVD hardware outsells Blu-ray hardware over a long period of time the media numbers will change. The best thing either format can do is get tons of hardware sold as quickly as possible. This was the BD/PS3 strategy wasn't it?

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by Kosty

Hardware sales versus Software sales.

mano a mano

which is more inportant in the long run......

That would be more accurate as, "A portion of hardware sales versus software sales" since Ken Graffeo's comment was not about all hardware sales. In the long run I would say that software sales are more important than a portion of hardware sales specifically picked to exclude some playback devices. The reality is that the leader in one will probably end up the leader in the other, but if it doesn't work out that way and one side either sells more software (especially for common titles) because of extra contribution from game machines (add-on or not), laptops, PCs, DVRs with disc players, etc., then the software will be the more important thing than standalone hardware that excludes all those other devices.

--Darin

[Woodshed]

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=65741

[davewolfs]

It all sounds like ********.

How can hardware sales be so much higher with software sales so low? It makes no sense whatsoever.

[seth.s]

Hardware sales when not factoring in the PS3 are meaningless in this war, why do people continue to do this? How about we discount the Toshiba players and then do a hardware count? Clearly ridiculous. When we factor in the PS3 in Europe Blu-ray has 95% of the market. We should do the intelligent thing and look at software sales. Sorry Blu-ray has a commanding lead.

[Tzone7]

Originally Posted by user4avsforum

Is this a trick question? The answer is Hardware every time and twice on Sunday.

Hardware sales will equal media sales. Just look at the effect all those early PS3 sales had on BD. Even though for each PS3 sold a relatively small amount of media is sold the absolute numbers are high (compared to HD DVD, low compared to DVD). If HD DVD hardware outsells Blu-ray hardware over a long period of time the media numbers will change. The best thing either format can do is get tons of hardware sold as quickly as possible. This was the BD/PS3 strategy wasn't it?

BD/PS3 strategy. Force BD upon the gamer demographic and hope they respond in software sales. So far that all backfired on them. The PS3 lags in the console war and lags in selling software for BD. Attach rates for overall players show that. Also the BD groups inability to provide a full spec, cheap player hurts them even more.

[Mel2]

remember that tranformers will be released after the dominating weeks of spidey and pixar back to back weeks. so transformers might have to pull hd dvd from a 80:20 deficit somehow. the volume of those two weeks alone for blu-ray will be staggering. I will transformers though, well there is next year for it.

[BuGsArEtAsTy]

Originally Posted by davewolfs

It all sounds like ********.

How can hardware sales be so much higher with software sales so low? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Cuz most BD players are PS3s.

[user4avsforum]

Originally Posted by Tzone7

BD/PS3 strategy. Force BD upon the gamer demographic and hope they respond in software sales. So far that all backfired on them. The PS3 lags in the console war and lags in selling software for BD. Attach rates for overall players show that. Also the BD groups inability to provide a full spec, cheap player hurts them even more.

Mostly agree. In a year+ we will likely look back on the last couple of months as being the high point for Blu-ray and many will wonder how come they could not seen then what is so obvious now.

[MidnightWatcher]

Standalone player sales is what matters. This is where the real movie buffs are. More standalone players = much higher attach rates = will surpass the PS3 effect.

[Deja Vu]

Originally Posted by seth.s

Hardware sales when not factoring in the PS3 are meaningless in this war, why do people continue to do this? How about we discount the Toshiba players and then do a hardware count? Clearly ridiculous. When we factor in the PS3 in Europe Blu-ray has 95% of the market. We should do the intelligent thing and look at software sales. Sorry Blu-ray has a commanding lead.

I lived long enough to understand that things change. I never thought the Iron Curtain would fall or that Apartheid (sp?) would crumble in South Africa during my lifetime. Well, they're both history! In the short term I never thought I'd see Paramount go HD DVD exclusive either. Personsally I wouldn't paint myself into a corner with present day statistics - things change and sometimes almost over night. BD had a big advantage in content then presto that advantage almost disappeared completely. The same can happen with disk sales. All this 2:1 and 3:1 is impressive today, but may look foolish in a year. Toshiba's strategy has been to hang in there and to some extent it appears to be paying off. Every new day more HD DVD players are sold and at some point that market can't be ignored no matter how many BD players are sold or how many BD disks are sold. If BD sells 15 million players and HD DVD only 5 million will the studios ignore those 5 million potental purchasers if there's a profit to be made (especially if replication costs are much cheaper)? I suspect not! When you're behind "time" can be your friend. When you're ahead "time" is your enemy. You want the game over with ASAP and that's why the Paramount deal was so crucial - it bought more time and for Toshiba "time" is everything!

Cheers,

Grant

[briankmonkey]

Originally Posted by seth.s

Hardware sales when not factoring in the PS3 are meaningless in this war, why do people continue to do this? How about we discount the Toshiba players and then do a hardware count? Clearly ridiculous. When we factor in the PS3 in Europe Blu-ray has 95% of the market. We should do the intelligent thing and look at software sales. Sorry Blu-ray has a commanding lead.

True, though I'm not sorry about it

[fronn]

Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher

Standalone player sales is what matters. This is where the real movie buffs are. More standalone players = much higher attach rates = will surpass the PS3 effect.

That's not really true, PS3 isn't owned exclusively by gamers who happen to buy a movie once in a while -- It's owned by gamers and some movie buffs as well. A lot of movie buff BR owners have a PS3 as their player because it's arguably the best one...

It's nonsense to say Standalone sales are most important, implying that PS3 sales don't count, because PS3 is a standalone to a lot of people.

[Noggin1980]

One significant reason HD-DVD can sell more standalones but less disks In Europe is because many HD-DVD owners by their disks from America, they are cheaper, there is a bigger selection and they are normally released earlier sometimes significantly and the only downside is that it's more hassle to get a replacement if you get a dodgy disk and no instant gratification. Why pay anything up to £7 more for a UK disk?

Blu-ray owners have region encoding to take into account on some disks so will buy more actual european disks.

I think Worldwide sales numbers and to a slightly lesser extent the US numbers are the ones that really matter at this point.

[BuGsArEtAsTy]

PS3 sales DO count, as the software sales indicate.

However, they point is they don't count as much as standalones on a per unit basis, also as the software sales indicate.

The real growth in the hi-def format hardware going forward is with standalones, and that's where the bulk of the new software sales are going to be coming from.

That's why BD needs to compete in the standalone market in terms of price. The PS3 is helpful, but it has already proven itself not to be the knight in shining armour for the Blu-ray format.

[sodrock]

Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher

Standalone player sales is what matters. This is where the real movie buffs are. More standalone players = much higher attach rates = will surpass the PS3 effect.

I have a hard time believing this because; if the PS3 continues to sell 100k each month worst case in the US and only 20% use as a movie player that is still 20k BD entering the market each month. I don't know the HD-DVD hardware sales number monthly, but I know that the PS3 cannot be overlooked. Especially when the console sales pick up this Christmas with gaming software that is worth while playing.