Official Samsung LNT-xx71f Owners Thread

[westa6969]

Originally Posted by Raptor007

From what I've read in other forums, this is fairly common of the 360 HD-DVD addon and won't show up in conventional HD-DVD players.

I'm personally waiting for the tri-format Samsung BD-UP5000.

One of the problems being observed is the HD Add-on is more problematic and does not do 24fps as some of the newer BD players do. The next gen HD players are likely to be fully 24fps and perhaps improve in that respect.

Anyone knowing and lived through three separate flashing light failures in one year on the 360 would not add and compound problems by adding an HD Drive that's of the lowest scale on a machine that tends to overheat and simply cannot touch a XA2 or BD. Today I'm awaiting my third replacement 360 in a year and thankful I didn't buy the add-on HD POS to compound things worse. Each time you experience one of these failures you have to go through a bunch of BS on-line troubleshooting and proving the failure and then spend about 3 weeks without a player so there would go your HD movies not just games. If I didn't have so many games there's no way I'd go 360 again with a PS3 available though Halo 3 is the addiction that holds many.

I simply would never judge the performance of this 71 or any other panel with a historical problematic X360 unit and it's history of failure where Microsoft took the warranty from 90 days to three years as a result the add-on certainly would be on the bottom rung of all such HD players.

Perhaps it would help if some owners of the XA2(w/firmware update)/BD 1200 could try some of these comparisons to see if the events replicate.

[rtbond]

Originally Posted by rcxrc

I was in BB today, and a salesguy from the attached Magnolia working the BB side of the floor said that if you tinker with your own calibration (beyond basic settings) it would void either Samsung or BB's warranty.

He also said that only "ISS" cert'd calibration techs had the "special codes" to get into the deepest menus/settings (greens, etc). This was mentioned, of course, when I said I might try to save a buck not getting their pro calibration service for $300. I mentioned to him I could get settings here, and this was his response.

What is he talking about?

RC

I believe he was referring to going into the hidden "Service Menu" of the TV, which is what ISF (http://www.imagingscience.com/) calibration typically entails. By "basic calibration" I believe he meant the menus the TV manufacturer has not hidden, which is what most people on this fourm are probably using to calibrate their sets.

[Zazzik]

Noob question regarding the 120Hz on XX71:

Does Auto Motion needs to be turned on in order to have the 120Hz feature?
Is 120Hz native to the TV?

For example: if connected to Blu-Ray with output at 24Hz (will it automatically do 120/24 = 5fps? or will the Auto Motion be required to be turned on (low, med, high) in order to have 120/24=5?

[shishghate]

Originally Posted by reign80

What if you are not home to receive the phone call from Eagle? Will they still ship it to you or call again until you are there to answer the phone and schedule the time and day for them to deliver it.

Just go to their website www.eaglegl.com and lookup your local location. Give them a call with the shipping number to setup a delivery. That is what I have done...

1:41:20 to the start of my delivery window..

[Opuntia]

Originally Posted by westa6969

One of the problems being observed is the HD Add-on is more problematic and does not do 24fps as some of the newer BD players do. The next gen HD players are likely to be fully 24fps and perhaps improve in that respect.

Anyone knowing and lived through three separate flashing light failures in one year on the 360 would not add and compound problems by adding an HD Drive that's of the lowest scale on a machine that tends to overheat and simply cannot touch a XA2 or BD. Today I'm awaiting my third replacement 360 in a year and thankful I didn't buy the add-on HD POS to compound things worse. Each time you experience one of these failures you have to go through a bunch of BS on-line troubleshooting and proving the failure and then spend about 3 weeks without a player so there would go your HD movies not just games. If I didn't have so many games there's no way I'd go 360 again with a PS3 available though Halo 3 is the addiction that holds many.

I simply would never judge the performance of this 71 or any other panel with a historical problematic X360 unit and it's history of failure where Microsoft took the warranty from 90 days to three years as a result the add-on certainly would be on the bottom rung of all such HD players.

Perhaps it would help if some owners of the XA2(w/firmware update)/BD 1200 could try some of these comparisons to see if the events replicate.

I'm sure the xbox can't compare to the other players that you mentioned, however, I was at BB a few weeks ago and they had a 4071 playing a BR Planet Earth DVD and I definitely noticed scenes with stutter/lag, especially this one aerial panning shot over trees. I'm fairly certain it was a sony BR player (don't remember which one though).

[munnz]

Hi All, We are getting some new boards on our xx61/65 series TV's. Wondering if these are coming from the 71 series. Has any one posted firmware/hardware versions from the 71's? I skimmed the thread but did not see this. Hoping someone can post theirs.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...6&d=1190244397

[louisw]

I am getting the 5271 delivered this week. I will also be getting a HD DVR cable box from Time Warner Cable (Manhattan). What cables should I have ready in order to get the best picture?

Thanks.

[CadJoe]

Originally Posted by munnz

Hi All, We are getting some new boards on our xx61/65 series TV's. Wondering if these are coming from the 71 series.[/url]

Have seen others with a 1007 / 1001 version, as I have the 1005 / 1001 on my 4671.

Have no idea what it solved, or changed. Have also heard that when telling Samsung about the "tripple" effect, they insist that they send a tech out.

What is resolved, or done, once they arrive I have not heard, nor have I seen any wiselink firmware updates on their site.

CadJoe

[CadJoe]

Originally Posted by rtbond

(http://www.imagingscience.com/)

Is that really worth the $29 bucks?? Wonder if there is a torrent ISO for it?

CadJoe

[Voila1]

Originally Posted by Zazzik

Noob question regarding the 120Hz on XX71:


For example: if connected to Blu-Ray with output at 24Hz (will it automatically do 120/24 = 5fps? or will the Auto Motion be required to be turned on (low, med, high) in order to have 120/24=5?

As far as I know, no LCD TV converts directly from 1080P/24 Hz to 1080P/120 via 5:5. Manufactures say too much blur is perceived by eye. Remember, 1080P /24Hz is only updating at a relatively slow 24 Hz rate due to bandwidth considerations. If you input 1080P/24 Hz directly to the TV, the TV will do the 3:2 pulldown internally
to 1080P/60Hz and then display it at a 120 Hz refresh rate. If you input 1080P/60Hz from a HD player, the 3:2 pulldown is performed by the player. The TV then just displays this 1080P/60 Hz signal at 120Hz refresh. Of course the question here is, does the TV and the player do 3:2 pull down correctly? They don't always. The worst case would be where neither the player nor the TV does it correctly. If they both do 3:2 pulldown correctly there should be no difference in Judder performance and artifacting. Blur reduction ,the other hand, depends on the TVs video processing. The jury is still out on whether the 71 series passes the 3:2 pull down test. The XBR4 fails. Maybe the TV manufactures are depending on the player to have the good
3:2 pulldown processor. It would be nice to get a good comparison of the blur reduction performance between an XBR4 and a 71 series with the exact same 1080P/60 source.

[rtbond]

Originally Posted by CadJoe

Is that really worth the $29 bucks?? Wonder if there is a torrent ISO for it?

CadJoe

Sorry, but it is unclear what the "that" is in your question. I simply pointed to the Imaging Science Foundation website as the basis for ISF calibration techniques (which is what the original question was asking about) and not to promote the purchase of anything on that site. Sorry for the confusion.

[Raptor007]

Originally Posted by CadJoe

Have seen others with a 1007 / 1001 version, as I have the 1005 / 1001 on my 4671.

Have no idea what it solved, or changed. Have also heard that when telling Samsung about the "tripple" effect, they insist that they send a tech out.

What is resolved, or done, once they arrive I have not heard, nor have I seen any wiselink firmware updates on their site.

CadJoe

I've got the 1007 / 1001 on my 4671. I haven't got any HD sports to check for the triple-ball effect though.

[cmf]

Originally Posted by louisw

I am getting the 5271 delivered this week. I will also be getting a HD DVR cable box from Time Warner Cable (Manhattan). What cables should I have ready in order to get the best picture?

If it's the Scientific Atlanta 8300HD, then a good-quality HDMI cable to go from the cable box to the TV will be all you need (assuming you are using the TV's speakers for sound output...if you have an AVR in there, you'll need other/additional cables).

When setting up the cable box, pay special attention to two settings:
1) Output Formats: determines which formats (1080i, 720p, 480i, 480p) you want the box to be able to send out based on what signal it's receiving
2) Sound over HDMI (or something like that): Turn this on to make sure the DVR send the audio with the video over the HDMI cable.

Good luck...

[hazel_wu]

Regarding whether 71 actually does 5:5 on 24fps content, can someone just use PS3 and output "60fps with AMP Off" vs "24fps with AMP Off"?

Since 60fps must have 3:2 going on, if 24fps output looks the same as 60fps output, that means 71 doesn't do 5:5. If 24fps output looks smoother than 60fps output, something must have changed, and if it's not AMP since it's off, it's most likely 5:5 by the TV.

People can try this on Sony XBR4/5 also and see if they see any difference.

To my eyes, I don't see any difference between 60fps output and 24fps output on my 5271, which makes me believe that the TV doesn't do 5:5.

By the way, someone mentioned above that no LCD advertise 5:5, but there's people in forum that mentioned http://freemedia.realgage.com/regza-...m-toshiba.html which does 5:5.

[SeeAlice]

Originally Posted by shishghate

Is that Mits a 4:3 or 16:9?

If it is a 4:3, then the 52" will have more screen space when viewing 16:9 or higher ratio programming.

You can see the numbers at tvcalculator.com

The Mits is a diamond series 16:9. Absolutely no problems and a very decent 1080i picture, but it's as big as a piano. Reducing the depth of my TV, from 2 feet to prox. 6 inches adds nearly 7.5 square feet of real estate to my HT room and increases viewing distance by 1.5 feet. The 57 inch 16:9 LCD is about as large as I can go, due to the unfortunate location of a doorway.

[PENDRAG0ON]

Originally Posted by shishghate

Just go to their website www.eaglegl.com and lookup your local location. Give them a call with the shipping number to setup a delivery. That is what I have done...

1:41:20 to the start of my delivery window..

What is the range of their delivery? The nearest Eagle to my location is over 80 miles away and I don't know if they deliver that far away. (I have yet to place an order with the big river yet and just want to clear that up first.)

[liviussteven]

5271... my new hdty is haveing a hard time playing movies from cable... hd or regular... seems to be a trail behind motion... sports are great.. just movies.... seems like part of the pic is losing focus.. and a blur image behind the moving object... any sugestions.
amp.. on or off doesn't seem to make any difference.

[Raptor007]

Originally Posted by liviussteven

5271... my new hdty is haveing a hard time playing movies from cable... hd or regular... seems to be a trail behind motion... sports are great.. just movies.... seems like part of the pic is losing focus.. and a blur image behind the moving object... any sugestions.
amp.. on or off doesn't seem to make any difference.

Try turning off Digital NR. That seemed to solve my SD motion blur issues.

[silent2n]

Watching the price on Amazon for the 5271 is like watching the stock market. It's gone up and down several times over the pass week, but generally it's going up. They're probably selling a lot more of it with the good reviews the TV has been getting.

So does Samsung know about the issues with their lcd? Hopefully, they'll release a firmware that can fix the problems.

[BabyWookie]

Originally Posted by silent2n

They're probably selling a lot more of it with the good reviews the TV has been getting.

Good reviews? Do you mean user reviews? Because, for the life of me, I haven't been able to find a single pro review thus far. If you can point me to one, I'd appreciate it.

[MagikHat]

This tv has been going down since it came out.

The 4671 is down to 2499$ from 3400$ in less than 21 days


I think this tv will stop going down.

When they release the 69 series this tv may actually go up in price

I do not think that waiting for this tv to drop will be worth it..
I really feel that there is no more need to wait and I might go to best buy and see if they can price match amazon.. but i doubt they will

-Dan

[drew138]

Originally Posted by silent2n

Watching the price on Amazon for the 5271 is like watching the stock market. It's gone up and down several times over the pass week, but generally it's going up. They're probably selling a lot more of it with the good reviews the TV has been getting.

So does Samsung know about the issues with their lcd? Hopefully, they'll release a firmware that can fix the problems.

I think Amazon adjusts prices based on their inventory levels. The 5265 spiked up 300 bucks for some reason a few weeks ago and its back to its traditional levels. For me, I'm waiting for exactly 27 days from 11/23 so that I can maximize and Amazon price cuts from black friday. :-) I suspect the 5271 pricing will come back into alignment.

[PENDRAG0ON]

Quote:
Originally Posted by shishghate

Just go to their website www.eaglegl.com and lookup your local location. Give them a call with the shipping number to setup a delivery. That is what I have done...

1:41:20 to the start of my delivery window..

Quote:
Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON

What is the range of their delivery? The nearest Eagle to my location is over 80 miles away and I don't know if they deliver that far away. (I have yet to place an order with the big river yet and just want to clear that up first.)

Anyone? Just how far are they willing to travel to make a delivery?

[dandrop]

Originally Posted by liviussteven

5271... my new hdty is haveing a hard time playing movies from cable... hd or regular... seems to be a trail behind motion... sports are great.. just movies.... seems like part of the pic is losing focus.. and a blur image behind the moving object... any sugestions.
amp.. on or off doesn't seem to make any difference.

Funny thing you mentioned that. I was watching 'The Village' on TNT-HD last night and i noticed that some scenes had some sort of stutter (it slows down and then it tries to catch up). I don't know the technical term for it, if it is judder or what not). AMP was set on low. I turned off AMP, and i didn't see the stutter anymore.

It was the first time i saw that sort of 'lag and catch up' scenes and i am wondering if it was the source or a hiccup in my comcast STB, because i don't see this in my HD-DVD movies.

[Voila1]

[quote=OreoJoe;11688788]The triple football, from cmf's video

I get a kick out of the "Triple Ball Issue". What about the "quintuple player" and "one foot wide yard marker" issue?

[dandrop]

Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON

Anyone? Just how far are they willing to travel to make a delivery?

I personally don't know how far EGL would travel to deliver, and honestly, i think only EGL would be able to specifically answer your question in detail.

However, Amazon and EGL might have a special arrangement concerning 'out of the way' deliveries. Also, i thought I read somewhere that some people got their TV's via UPS instead of EGL. If EGL can't deliver, i'm sure amazon will use another carrier.

Have you called EGL in general and ask if they deliver in your area?

[reign80]

Beside just the cleaning cloth that comes with the tv what else are you guys using to clean the tv?

I have this TV cleaning liquid that I have been using for my CRT tv made my the brand 'Monster" and it said its ok to use on LCD but I am to chicken to even try it on this tv when I get it.

Thanks.

[BabyWookie]

Originally Posted by dandrop

Funny thing you mentioned that. I was watching 'The Village' on TNT-HD last night and i noticed that some scenes had some sort of stutter (it slows down and then it tries to catch up). I don't know the technical term for it, if it is judder or what not). AMP was set on low. I turned off AMP, and i didn't see the stutter anymore.

It was the first time i saw that sort of 'lag and catch up' scenes and i am wondering if it was the source or a hiccup in my comcast STB, because i don't see this in my HD-DVD movies.

Interesting. I noticed the lag/stutter for the first time last night, while watching Resident Evil 2 on TNT HD. I have never ran into it on any other channel or source.

[sanitystream]

Originally Posted by dandrop

Funny thing you mentioned that. I was watching 'The Village' on TNT-HD last night and i noticed that some scenes had some sort of stutter (it slows down and then it tries to catch up). I don't know the technical term for it, if it is judder or what not). AMP was set on low. I turned off AMP, and i didn't see the stutter anymore.

It was the first time i saw that sort of 'lag and catch up' scenes and i am wondering if it was the source or a hiccup in my comcast STB, because i don't see this in my HD-DVD movies.

This is an AMP issue as far as I know. Turn it off and it goes away.

I wish a Samsung rep would come here and tell us exactly what purpose AMP is supposed to serve beyond hype and marketing-speak?

[JeffD33]

Originally Posted by 007craft

IF I hook up my PC to this Tv through Dvi-> Hdmi can I use AMP or will it still be greyed out like it is in pc mode? (Vga)

I really want to see a bunch of movies on my pc with AMP on so I need to know this. Thanks

Yes of course, AMP works on HDMI inputs. AMP is even turned on LOW with the PC connection, but you don't have an option to turn if off or change to med of high.