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Recommended HTPC Systems September 2009 Edition
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Recommended HTPC Systems – September 2009 Edition ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ Last Update on September 25, 2009
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Mini-ITX System ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ Case and PSU Selecting a case and PSU is perhaps the most difficult part in building a Mini-ITX system. Apex MI-008 with 250W PSU selected here is favorably reviewed by Silent PC Review. Intel/Intel System
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MicroATX System ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ A microATX system is generally considered good for HTPC because of its small form factor. As the number of expansion slots is limited to four, almost every microATX motherboard integrates a graphics processing unit (GPU). There are already a couple of integrated graphics processing units (iGPU) that are good enough to play back HD contents and a microATX system with such an iGPU has several advantages over an ATX system with discrete graphics processing unit (dGPU):
I will give a low-end system, a mid-range system, a high-end system and a gaming system for each of the Intel platform/Intel chipset, the Intel platform/NVIDIA chipset, the AMD platform/AMD chipset and the AMD platform/NVIDIA chipset. Basic distinctions are:
So are my recommendations really enough for HD contents? One of the most frequently asked questions is if these systems can play 1080p contents (including various mkv files as well as BD movies) fine. The answer is yes as you can see in the above chart. Here are screenshots taken in one of the recommended systems (the low-end Intel/NVIDIA system) when a 1080p mkv file is played back. Whether hardware acceleration of the GPU is on or off, the file can be played back fine.
If GPU hardware acceleration is used, max CPU usage is around 33%. Hardware Acceleration OFF (ffdshow Video Decoder) ffdshow does not support GPU hardware acceleration (yet). Max CPU usage is around 70%. _______ Low-End ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ All the low-end systems are basically equivalent in performance. There are differences in features however. The case I chose here is a inexpensive low-profile case. Alternative cases are
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ATX System ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ The ATX form factor is differentiated from microATX by its larger size 12″ x 9.6″ vs. 9.6″ x 9.6″ of microATX, and hence the support for 7 expansion slots vs. 4 expansion slots in microATX. Another differentiating factor is that motherboard manufacturers tend to implement better CPU power circuitry and cooling solution for MOSFET and the chipset in ATX motherboards for better stability with a CPU of very high power consumption such as Phenom 125W/140W and better overclocking (although most HTPC users will not be interested in this aspect). I give a low-end system, a mid-range system, a high-end system and a premium system for each of the Intel platform with Intel chipsets, the Intel platform with NVIDIA chipsets, the AMD platform with AMD chipsets and the AMD platform with NVIDIA chipsets. As the expandability is the most important factor, I set the following criteria:: the motherboard should have
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Intel/NVIDIA There is no recommendation of a mid-range system for this platform. A system with the popular ASUS P5N-D nForce 750i SLI chipset motherboard is good for x16 SLI, but not particularly good for HTPC (not enough PCIe x1 slots; its SB is the three-year old MCP51 [used in GeForce 6150 motherboards!] supporting only 4 SATA ports). AMD/AMD System
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Intel/NVIDIA There is no recommendation of a high-end system for this platform. A system with the popular ASUS P5N-D nForce 750i SLI chipset motherboard is good for x16 SLI, but not particularly good for HTPC (not enough PCIe x1 slots; its SB is the three-year old MCP51 [used in GeForce 6150 motherboards!] supporting only 4 SATA ports). AMD/AMD System
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DAS (Direct Attached Storage) ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ If you need more storage space than the one provided by the motherboard and the case, the quickest solution is attach an external HDD enclosure. Possible interfaces are USB 2.0 (60MB/s), IEEE 1394a (50MB/s), PCI (133MB/s), PCI Express x1 (250MB/s), all of which are good enough for home use. If you need lots of drives, you may want to consider a dedicated file server (see "Home Media Server"). If you need higher I/O throughput, e.g. for video editing, there are many SATA RAID controller cards with PCI Express x4 (1.0GB/s) or x8 (2.0GB/s) interface. Here are a couple of examples. 5 Drive SATA Enclosure with PCI Express Controller
Each of them has Silicon Image SiI4726 SATA to 5-Port SATA Device SteelVine Storage Processor and is bundled with a 2-port SATA PCIe x1 host bus adapter based on Silicon Image SiI3132. You can attach up to two enclosures (10 drives) to one card by FIS-based Port Multiplier. Supports RAID 0, 1, 10, 5 and JBOD. 8 Drive SATA Enclosure with PCI Express Controller
The case has two SiI3726 port multipliers and is bundled with a 2-port SATA PCIe x1 host bus adapter based on Silicon Image SiI3132 supporting port multiplier. The difference between SiI3726 and SiI4726 is that SiI4726 can be connected to a non-PM aware SATA port, while SiI3726 needs to be connected to a PM aware SATA port. High-Performance 8 Drive SATA Enclosure with PCI Express Controller
For better performance you can go with a RAID controller card with a hardware RAID processor engine such as
Addonics is manufacturing a highly customizable 4U rack mount chassis supporting 15 HDDs.
You can use the chassis in various ways. For example use it with a RAID controller card such as:
Please check Newegg.com > Servers > Server RAID Systems. Last edited by renethx; 09-27-09 at 12:38 AM.. |
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Worktsation ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ Workstation here is a PC intended for various HTPC-related tasks other than video/audio playback. The CPU and the motherboard chosen here are good enough for the most demanding tasks and future upgrades (4 cores/8 threads, supporting PCI Express 2.0 x16, x16 / x16, x8, x8 / x8, x8, x8, x8 links). The selection of other components depends on the tasks you are going to do. The system below is a consumer-grade high-performance video editing machine. System
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Media Storage Sever ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ Purpose of a Media Storage Sever The main purposes of the media storage server described here are:
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You will need to back up important, irreplaceable data (e.g. personal documents and family photos), perhaps off-site. Building a dedicated backup system is one method (you can use similar hardware components here). A caution to those who consider RAID5: RAID 5 is not a backup strategy, it's about uptime - if a drive fails, you can swap it for a new one to rebuild with no service interruption. You may lose the entire date in the array instantly however if multiple drives fail or if a hardware issue kills the array. FlexRAID and unRAID are better in this point: you can still get data from each non-failed drive. 20 HDD System I The first system uses NORCO RPC-4020 case (20 SATA connectors in the backplane) and two 8-port SATA controller PCI-X cards. System
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The second system uses NORCO RPC-4220 case (5 SFF-8087 connectors in the backplane) and two 8-port SATA controller PCI Express x4 cards. System
In case you prefer or have to use a tower case, here are a couple of recommended ones.
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Software – Links to Useful Threads ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ __________________ Windows Media Center ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ Tutorial Plug-ins DVD
Other Front End ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ MediaPortal ___________ What's Next? ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ _____________ Intel Processor ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ LGA 775 Processors ![]() LGA 1366 Processors The Core i7 processor (codenamed Bloomfield, Socket B or LGA1366), the successor to Core 2 Quad, was anounced on August 11, 2008 and will be available in Q4 2008, that features native quad-core, integrated memory controller, and QuickPath Interconnect. You can expect 20–50% performance gains over Yorkfield (Core 2 Quad 45 nm). The initial lineup is:
LGA 1156 Processors List of LGA 1156 processors Lynnfield processors (4-core, no IGP, 45 nm; to be released on September 8) - Core i7 870 (8 Threads/2.93GHz/TB 3.60GHz/L3 8MB/dual channel DDR3/95W) $562 - Core i7 860 (8 Threads/2.80GHz/TB 3.46GHz/L3 8MB/dual channel DDR3/95W) $284 ✓ - Core i5 750 (4 Threads/2.66GHz/TB 3.20GHz/L3 8MB/dual channel DDR3/95W) $196 Clarkdale processors (2-core, IGP, 32 nm; to be released in January 2010 at CES 2010)[/b] - Core i5 670 (4 Threads/3.46GHz/TB 3.73GHz/GPU 733MHz/L3 4MB/dual channel DDR3/73W) $284 - Core i5 661 (4 Threads/3.33GHz/TB 3.60GHz/GPU 900MHz/L3 4MB/dual channel DDR3/73W) $? - Core i5 660 (4 Threads/3.33GHz/TB 3.60GHz/GPU 733MHz/L3 4MB/dual channel DDR3/73W) $196 - Core i5 650 (4 Threads/3.20GHz/TB 3.46GHz/GPU 733MHz/L3 4MB/dual channel DDR3/73W) $176 ✓ - Core i3 540 (4 Threads/3.06GHz/TB -/GPU 733MHz/L3 4MB/dual channel DDR3/73W) $143 - Core i3 530 (4 Threads/2.93GHz/TB -/GPU 733MHz/L3 4MB/dual channel DDR3/73W) $123 ✓ - Pentium G6950 (2 Threads/2.80GHz/TB -/GPU 733MHz/L3 3MB/dual channel DDR3/73W) $87 References Branding Scheme The most important features that distinguish between i7, i5 and i3 are:
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(The performance improvement by Clarkdale depends largely on how well the application supports HyperThreading Technology.) HARDSPELL – Intel mulls extended life-cycle for socket 775-based processors (November 17, 2008) Quote:
AMD Processor ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ AMD Processors Price List ![]() AMD Roadmaps AMD CPU Roadmap ![]() Denob was postponed until Q2 9009. AMD Chipset Roadmap ![]() AMD Platform Roadmap ![]() AMD Roadmaps at 2008 Financial Analyst Day (November 14, 2008) Deneb is slated for 2009 CES (January) with the Dragon platform. ![]() Source: IT168 – AMD最新Roadmap:45nm产品命名再次大改 (November 14, 2008) Bulldozer & Bobcat The completely new microarchitecutures Bulldozer and Bobcat will be released in 2011 (unlike Barcelona they are not a revision of the K8 processor). Orochi, Llano and Ontario in the chart below are them. ![]() Source: PC Watch – AMDが新マイクロアーキテクチャCPU「Orochi」と「Ontario」を2011年に計画 (November 14, 2008) ___________ Motherboard ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ _______ Memory ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ DRAMeXchange – Taiwanese DRAM packaging and testing industry analysis Part II (November 18, 2008) Quote:
Graphics Card ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ATI NVIDIA Nvidia's GPU lineup for 2009 uncloaked Quote:
Sound Card ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ For PAP-related arguments, please read my post. Maybe a standard PAP will be implemented only in Windows 7? Two sound cards finally supports PAP/multichannel LPCM/Dolby TrueHD & DTS-HD Master Audio bitstreams through HDMI (relased in July and September respectively): ASUS Xonar HDAV1.3 ![]() Auzentech Auzen X-Fi HomeTheater 7.1 Auzentech Reveals HDMI 1.3-native PCI Express Audio Combo Card ![]() Compare it with Auzentech Auzen X-Fi Prelude 7.1 ![]() ![]() Last edited by renethx; 08-16-09 at 02:43 AM.. |
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CPU cooler: ZEROtherm BTF90 Case fan: You can control the speed of the two case fans using this adpater which should be connected to SYS_FAN1, and SpeedFan. |
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I just built a HTPC. I like it so far. It's faster than my old HTPC obviously and the build didn't have too many issues. Unfortunately, I don't have a BluRay drive yet but I'll get one eventually. I do know that the system draws about 67w when idle. I have the primary monitor hooked up to a 19" LCD monitor via VGA and then the secondary display is my 50" Panasonic 1080p plasma via HDMI. I run Vista Media Center on the plasma display and it works fine. I stream most of my video files over the wired 100Mbps LAN and it doesn't have any hiccups.
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OK, here is the component list for my new HTPC.
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This is my first post on this forum. I've been reading post for about a month, but haven't been able to find the answer to my doubts. Looking forward to building up a HTPC to be able to play BD. My budget is $1000-1500. I'm trying to hook this up to my Sony 52" KDL-52W4100 LCD tv. I was wondering if I could get a good recommendation as for list of parts (in a detailed way) that I should buy in order to build a good HTPC. A good set of 7.1 speakers and TV tuner would be nice as well. (TV tuner is not really a MUST at this point. I understand I can buy this later) Thanks in advance, and sorry if I have posted at the wrong thread. I just didn't know where else I should do it. stormeye@gmail.com |
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I just built the low end II, and coulnd't be happier. E2220, Abit IN73HD, LG GGC-H20L, Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800 2GB RAM, Antec Fusion 430, XFX 8500 GT, WD 320 GB Hard Drive, Vista Premuim 32. I use the stock cooler, and it NEVER gets over 40 degrees C in the Fusion 430 with dual 120mm fans @ the high setting, which is still very quiet. The only reason why I didn't select the low end 1 is because I game and like having a video card.
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Ok so after a few weeks of researching i decided on my gear. Now for some reason the more i research the specifics of what i bought i feel like i made wrong decisions (im incredibly indecisive) and want to return my graphics card and maybe my mb.
anyway looking for opinions. 1Gx2|CRUCIAL BL2KIT12864AA804 VGA ASUS EN8600GT MAGIC/HTP/512M RT VID DEV AVERMEDIA AVERCOMBO CPU INTEL|C2D E7200 2.53G 775 45N R MB GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3R 775 P35 RT CPU COOLER ZEROTHERM|BTF90 R Thanks! |
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Well the graphics card wont do hardware acceleration so thats heavy load on the cpu for playback. i dont think it would be a huge problem, but suplementing it with maybe an XFX8600gt for the same price might be better. plus this card only has 1 dvi instead of 2, dont know if thats a drawback.
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I've got a pretty old HTPC that can't do HD content, so I'm thinking about upgrading. Taking stuff from this thread with other threads in this forum, this is what I've come up with:
Case: Cooler Master Cosmos S RC1100 CPU: Q9450 GPU: Gigabyte HD4850 MB: Asus P5Q-E Mem: Corasair Twin2x4096 (4GB) PS: Enermax MODU82+ 625W PS CPU Cooler: Ultra-120 extreme HD: WD 320GB SATA This should be overkill for watching HD content, but I'll probably use it for some encoding, so I figure it's worth it. Anyway, I'm just wondering if it seems like a good build, or if I'm making some dumb mistake with any of the components. |
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Hi,
This is a great thread, I learned quite a bit. I had a few questions: 1. Do most people keep the PC near their 40"+ screens? If so, how does the fan noise go (I have a Tivo & that fan is kind of annoying). 2. (a little longer): I have a this media cabinet: http://www.raymourflanigan.com/catal...ls.asp?ID=7374 I am planning on a 46" Samsung LCD that will be mounted two or so feet above the cabinet - the point being that all wires will be run from the back of the TV, through the wall, into the cabinet (I will put a new outlet near the TV on the wall). I was thinking of adding two exhaust fans to the back of the cabinet (which will be very close to a wall). I am concerned about heat in the cabinet. My 1.5 year old son would like the doors open but they need to stay shut so heat can be an issue. 3. I would love to run a cable through the floor & keep the PC in the garage but that wouldnt work with the wife & it would be annoying if we have a DVD to insert. 4. Was there any write up of XP Media center vs say Vista Ultimate? Thanks for all the info! Rich |
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please help me decide.. I'm planning to buy HP Pavilion Elite m9300t series as my HTPC for playing and backup movies, NO games. From the manufacturers website the MB is ASUS: IPIBL-LB. Not sure whether is MB is capable of future upgrades mainly HDD and video graphics card. Please help.. |
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2. Yup, the heat could be an issue as there is almost no ventilation in the cabinet. Both exhaust fans (rear) and intake holes (bottom?) may be necessary. |
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The video card I plan now is Ge Force 512MB 9500 GS, hope this is a decent one. Thanks again.. |
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