Official OPPO BDP-83 Early Adoption Program FAQ/DUMP

[Neuromancer]

This thread will be jettisoned due to 148 pages being created with no real information.

Please visit me at the Official BDP-83 Early Adoption Program Owner's Thread




02/24/2009 - Early Adoption Program, pricing, and internal audio decoding announced. I will be making a major overhaul to this post on Tuesday March 3RD when I receive more final features and specifications from OPPO
Read the full BDP-83 Early Adoption Program E-Mail

As the OPPO BDP-83 is a work in progresses, specifications and information are likely to change. So please keep your eyes open for new content.

How Much is the Early Adoption Program BDP-83?

$499.

When Will the Early Adoption Program Start?

The Early Adoption Program will start Wednesday, February 25th.

Who Can Participate in the Early Adoption Program?

The Early Adoption Program participants will be randomly selected from customers who signed up for the BDP-83 Blu-ray Notification List. Contiguous United States applicants are currently only eligible.

How Many People Will Be Accepted Into the Early Adoption Program?

The first 50 participants will be selected and notified no later than Wednesday, February 25th. 100 additional participants will be selected after a positive vote on March 15th. Each additional expansion will double the previous expansion roster.

How Does the Early Adoption Program Work?

Customers invited into the Early Adoption Program will have a 2-Day purchase window to buy the BDP-83 for $499, otherwise the unit will be forfeited to the next eligible candidate. Participating users will be required to vote on whether the Early Adoption Program should be expanded or suspended based on their experiences. A simple "Yes" or "No" vote will be conducted at milestone markers (the first being March 15th). If a supermajority (at least 70%) votes in favor of expanding the program, the Early Adoption Program will be doubled.

What Is The Current State of the BDP-83?:

The OPPO BDP-83 Blu-ray Player currently supports the following:

• PS3 caliber load speeds for BD-Java enabled discs.
• SACD DSD over HDMI and multi-channel analog. SACD DSD to PCM conversion available over HDMI.
• Bit stream and internal decoding of Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital TrueHD, and DTS-HD Master to HDMI 1.3 or higher receivers. Optical and digital coaxial do not have the bandwidth required for these new high resolution audio formats, but they can still pass Dolby Digital and DTS CORE.
• 7.1 multi-channel and dedicated Stereo analog outputs.
• Two-channel Cirrus CS4398 DAC for Discrete Analog; Eight-channel CS4382A DAC for Multi-Channel Analog. More information is available at the following link
• 1080p/24Hz for Blu-ray and DVD-Video
• Discrete Output Resolution: You can force the player to always output a 480i/p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p 50/60Hz, and 1080p/24Hz (DVD-Video and Blu-ray) video signal.
• Source Direct. This allows the player to intelligently and automatically change the resolution of the player based off of the content source. For example, SD DVD will playback at 480i, Blu-ray will play back at 1080p/24Hz, and DVD-Audio and SACD will playback at 1080i (to ensure maximum audio bandwidth is available).
• BD-Live 2.0 with BONUSVIEW
• ABT 2010 de-interlacing and upscaling up to 1080p/60Hz with HDMI. Component is 1080i only (Blu-ray) with no ABT processing.
• Video Demo Mode: splits the screen vertically with one half showing the original source image, while the other half shows the results of adjustment to the Edge Enhancement, Detail Enhancement and Noise Reduction controls.
• Resolution and other Picture adjustments can be performed on the fly.
• 30 and 36bit Deep Color support
• DVD-Video playback
• DVD+R/RW/DL and DVD-R/DL disc support
• CD-R/RW disc support
• CD-Audio and HDCD playback
• AVCHD over DVD and USB
• MP3 with ID3 Tag and Album Art
• 1920x1080 native MPEG-2 and DivX support.
• PNG and JPEG Viewing at up to a native 1920x1080 pixels
• Anamorphic lens compatible with constant height Zoom. Other Zoom modes identical to DV-983H.
• DVD Region 1 locked
• Blu-ray Region A locked

The OPPO BDP-83 Blu-ray Player currently lacks the following:

• Decoding of DVD-Audio. DVD-Video is supported.

Terms, Limitations and Expectations of Early Adoption Program:

Please visit the Early Adoption Program website for the Terms and Conditions (located at the bottom).

[Smarty-pants]

bump

[Neuromancer]

Welcome first cust ... oh, it is just Smarty-pants.

[dweltman]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Limitations of Early Adoption Program:

To be explained once OPPO reveals details

[Djoel]

Man I'm so excited I can hardly contain myself

What a hobby aye!

Djoel

[Brian-HD]

Originally Posted by dweltman

cool

[rrollens]

With the new information put out today by Oppo about their upcoming Blu Ray player, will it be possible for this player to pass DTS HD and Tru Dolby Digital from the analog audio outputs to my Pioneer Elite receiver that decodes these codecs?

Also, what are your thoughts about which should sound better: Using my receiver to decode the sound, or letting the Oppo do it? Thanks.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Two things I want know about:

Having the same ultra-easy 5 second remote DVD region free workaround that previous DVD units have had (assuming it has the same upconversion capabilities of the 983h, the only way I'd replace my 983h with this new Blu Ray model is if can also be set to play my R2 PAL DVD's.)

Region Free BluRay playback. Not expecting it, but it would be nice.

So someone grab a 12 gauge, go down there, and demand answers.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by rrollens

With the new information put out today by Oppo about their upcoming Blu Ray player, will it be possible for this player to pass DTS HD and Tru Dolby Digital from the analog audio outputs to my Pioneer Elite receiver that decodes these codecs?

As of today there is no Dolby Digital TrueHD or DTS-HD Master decoding for HDMI 1.2 or older or analog receivers. The hardware in the BDP-83 supports this kind of decoding, but it has not been implemented yet through software.

If you have a receiver which supports these advanced audio codec decoding, then you will want to use HDMI exclusively. You will be in for a treat.

Also, what are your thoughts about which should sound better: Using my receiver to decode the sound, or letting the Oppo do it?

I would presume the receiver will do a better job, as your receiver has been designed explicitly for this kind of decoding and processing.

[vancouver]

count me in for the early release!

[facesnorth]

Originally Posted by rrollens

With the new information put out today by Oppo about their upcoming Blu Ray player, will it be possible for this player to pass DTS HD and Tru Dolby Digital from the analog audio outputs to my Pioneer Elite receiver that decodes these codecs?

Also, what are your thoughts about which should sound better: Using my receiver to decode the sound, or letting the Oppo do it? Thanks.

To send over analog outs, the player would have to decode. As mentioned this is in the works but not functional yet. The only way to bitstream and have the receiver decode is by HDMI. That part is functional.

As to the second part, technically it should sound the same, but you will hear different opinions about it.

[rick240]

Originally Posted by rrollens

With the new information put out today by Oppo about their upcoming Blu Ray player, will it be possible for this player to pass DTS HD and Tru Dolby Digital from the analog audio outputs to my Pioneer Elite receiver that decodes these codecs?

Also, what are your thoughts about which should sound better: Using my receiver to decode the sound, or letting the Oppo do it? Thanks.

The encoded lossless audio can only travel via HDMI. If your Pioneer Elite can decode these then it is expecting them over HDMI.

Lossless over analog will only be possible once onboard decoding happens, then it will be:

encoded lossless -> PCM -> analog

[NoiseGoth]

Bummer about the analog decoding not yet being ready (I have a pre-HDMI Yamaha that I'd like to keep using for a while). Even so, nice to know they can implement that via firmware.

[wagnerc]

Will Dolby EX and DTS ES be available over 7.1 analog outputs?

[rick240]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

I would presume the receiver will do a better job, as your receiver has been designed explicitly for this kind of decoding and processing.

Just curious why you would think/say this?

DTS/MA or TrueHD decodes to the original PCM stream.

It should make absolutely no difference where the decode happens, it should always come out to the same original PCM digital stream.

I don't see how anything could "decode" better, it either decodes to the right answer or it doesn't decode.

Am I missing something?

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Having the same ultra-easy 5 second remote DVD region free workaround that previous DVD units have had (assuming it has the same upconversion capabilities of the 983h, the only way I'd replace my 983h with this new Blu Ray model is if can also be set to play my R2 PAL DVD's.)

Region 1 DVD, Region A BD.

No region unlocking that we know of.

[wagnerc]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

[*]Bit stream support for Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital TrueHD, and DTS-HD Master

Will bit streaming work over coaxial/optical digital output?

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by rick240

Just curious why you would think/say this?

In terms of processing, you want to limit the amount of processing the DVD player does to the signal. If you have the DVD player do all decoding (as you would through the analog outputs) you may lose bass, channel trim and distance, and other accuracies.

I generally recommend using a receiver for audio processing, as it is designed explicitly for this kind of functionality.

[Smarty-pants]

Originally Posted by rick240

Am I missing something?

Yes, experience with the most modern equipment. <-Not trying to be insulting there.
Just because something is supposed to work "that way", doesn't always mean that it does. All receivers, amps, players, ect will have their own little differences. I would venture to guess that no one will ever find a piece of equipment that sounds EXACTLY the same going both ways. This is based on MY limited experience.
The fact of the matter is, it's just easier to have the receiver decode. There are also usually more adjustments available in the receiver for HDMI than for MchA... like bass mangement.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by wagnerc

Will bit streaming work over coaxial/optical digital output?

No. This technology requires HDMI 1.3 or higher. Optical and digital coaxial do not have the bandwidth.

[Brian-HD]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Region 1 DVD, Region A BD.

No region unlocking that we know of.

We meaning you or Oppo. This will never happened?????? current state yes but what about updates

[lvaughn]

No mention of HDCD in the email. I was hoping this player would support it.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by wagnerc

Will Dolby EX and DTS ES be available over 7.1 analog outputs?

Good question. Will have to check on that one.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by lvaughn

No mention of HDCD in the email. I was hoping this player would support it.

It does.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by Brian-HD

We meaning you or Oppo. This will never happened?????? current state yes but what about updates

We as in the beta testers and the community. OPPO has stated that it will be DVD Region 1 and Blu-ray Region A locked. That does not necessarily mean that this is true (ie. current player ship R1 locked, but can easily be made region free).

I suspect that OPPO will not have any region unlocking manipulation abilities whatsoever in the BDP-83. It is too much of a liability.

[Smarty-pants]

Originally Posted by wagnerc

Will bit streaming work over coaxial/optical digital output?

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

No. This technology requires HDMI 1.3 or higher. Optical and digital coaxial do not have the bandwidth.

You would still get the CORE soundtrack from the source though, when useing spdif. Not as good as lossless, but still much better than standard lossy.

[Neuromancer]

I don't count CORE as being a part of the new standard. But you are right. Updated post.

[wagnerc]

Can you adjust the speaker db level for each speaker?

Can you adjust the time delay for each speakers (distance or time)?

Is the sub crossovers frequency for bass management adjustable?

[rick240]

Originally Posted by Smarty-pants

Yes, experience with the most modern equipment. <-Not trying to be insulting there.
Just because something is supposed to work "that way", doesn't always mean that it does. All receivers, amps, players, ect will have their own little differences. I would venture to guess that no one will ever find a piece of equipment that sounds EXACTLY the same going both ways. This is based on MY limited experience.
The fact of the matter is, it's just easier to have the receiver decode. There are also usually more adjustments available in the receiver for HDMI than for MchA... like bass mangement.

I absolutely agree on the analog side. I think the player should definitely send digital to the receiver over HDMI.

All I am saying is that if the player decodes DTS/MA (TrueHD) it will send a PCM stream to the receiver via HDMI. The reciever will then do whatever with that PCM digital stream.

If the player bitstreams then the receiver will decode the compressed lossless into PCM and then do whatever with it.

The only way it could possibly sound different is if the receiver processes PCM received over HDMI differently from the PCM it decodes internally (which would be absolutely ridiculous for any receiver manufacturer to do, not to say that it doesn't exist, just it would be bloody stupid).

btw. Since I have a Yamaha RXV-1800 I couldn't care less if the BDP-83 never did anything but bitstream as my receiver can decode. I'm just arguing that it should make absolutely no difference where the decoding happens. Where the DtoA happens is another question.

PS. I don't want to hijack the thread with this discussion. Just a pet peeve of mine having people say that decoding of something, that so long as it works will always come up with the same answer, can possibly be better in one device vs. another. This thread is all about the player we're all so excited about getting closer to reality... I can hardly wait

[rrollens]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

As of today there is no Dolby Digital TrueHD or DTS-HD Master decoding for HDMI 1.2 or older or analog receivers. The hardware in the BDP-83 supports this kind of decoding, but it has not been implemented yet through software.

If you have a receiver which supports these advanced audio codec decoding, then you will want to use HDMI exclusively. You will be in for a treat.



I would presume the receiver will do a better job, as your receiver has been designed explicitly for this kind of decoding and processing.

Thank you. Your response is most helpful to me.