Viewsonic Pro8100 1080p Projector

[muzz]

Originally Posted by bouda78

the viewsonic pro8100 have 1200lum not as viewsonic and some reviews stated , i compared the lamp with the mitsubishi hc-5500(the jap twin) and its almost identical same 160w and the hc-5500 have 1200lum at all reviews so the pro8100 is 1200lum

mamethot i think its different because of different at type dlp and lcd but the same noise concept. try to give them a post to turn their pjs off for couple of hours to see the result.

WHO said they were Twins?
Do they use the EXACT same lamp?
Same lens?

[bouda78]

CT_Wiebe very nice , i think the hc5500 is the best choice for those who are seeking the pro8100 also i think its best pj for now to buy , except for who can pay 2300$ i suggest to go for the benq w6000(the brightest and best image till now from the new pjs) or for the infoucs in83 but with price of 5000$, or i found a refirbished sony vpl-vw200 top pj for 4500$ comes with xinon light and excptional colors (15000$ the original price).


muzz : it have the same d6 panels same HQV processor and same lamp also art at pjreviews said that, u can see from the product pdf the specification and similarity between both of them.

http://www.mitsubishi-hometheater.co...eet_HC5500.pdf

http://www.projectorreviews.com/mits...5500/index.php

[Dark Rider]

They're not exactly the same... but as Art and others here have indicated, VERY CLOSE:

Pro8100
HQV Reon VX-210 (best HQV makes)
Zoom Factor 1.6 (F = 1.8-2.3/f = 23.5mm-37.6mm) (both very strong in this regard with very high quality lenses)
Inorganic D6 C2Fine panels type 3 x 0.74” Poly-Si TFT with MLA (same or very similar)
160w lamp (RLC-032; looks different, but same wattage and life)

Mits 5500
HQV Reon VX-200 (1 step down)
Zoom Factor 1.42 ~ 1.72 (f=24 ~ 29 mm, F=1.7-1.9) (constant larger aperature for less variation in brightness)
Inorganic D6 C2Fine panels 0.74 type x 3 Aspect ratio 16:9 with micro lens Transmissive liquid crystal system
160w lamp (VLT-HC5000LP)

I didn't get to see an HC5500 when I was demoing, but based on Art's review and the specs, image quality between the two is going to be extremely close. You may give up a few features, but nothing that would sacrifice the over enjoyment. I would have no hesitation in recommending the HC5500 as a comparable replacement, if you can't find a Pro8100. Basically, they're brothers from another mother...

[bouda78]

Dark Rider +1 , "brothers from another mother" like jackie chan and chris tucker

[iigem]

Hey, so for some reason I'm unable to save any of my settings, when i go into memory, all of the options are greyed out except for "reset all", i can choose save load or custom color management, any idea why this is?

[drudge]

Iirc you need to set it to user mode to save settings. I think it was PCS user mode and you save your settings along with custom color temperature.

[iigem]

I tried that, still no luck.

[novasol]

Originally Posted by iigem

I tried that, still no luck.

you need to hook it up to a source and turn it on

[novasol]

Just got another blu-ray player Sony BDP -S360 and it does the following

RGB(16-235) passes BTB and WTW
YCbCr 4:4:4 passes WTW only
YCbCr 4:2:2 passes WTW only and has issues with Chroma resolution(from Spears and Munsil Blu-Ray)

One thing is that RGB requires a very different Contrast/Brightness setting than what I'm used to with YCbCr so I don't have that dialed in yet.

Something else I noticed is that the Sony has much richer blacks than my Samsung 2550 and has a little more detail to BD-ROM's. The Samsung has a slightly more cyan cast to the blacks. Also, the Sony noise reduction options works on Blu rays, so the detail settings can be increased in the Pro810O and the noise dialed down with the Sony.

[iigem]

Originally Posted by novasol

you need to hook it up to a source and turn it on

I had the dark knight playing on my PS3 and was changing the settings, but still couldn't save any settings or change the custom color temperature.

[bouda78]

novasol good results and the best signal is RGB(0-255) even it didnt pass both btb and wtw but u can find it at most pioneer bluyray players , pc, also at those:
http://www.egreatusa.com/

YCbCr 4:2:2 act as 12-bit color
YCbCr 4:4:4 the best signal after RGB(0-255) or full because act as 10 bit color system and that what pro8100 can process 1024line.(10bit)

[bouda78]

also pioneer players have much more better picture and deeper colors more options at manu than pannasonic or sony.

[bouda78]

there is a refirbushed pro8100 at amazon for 895$ :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...8914769&sr=8-1

[muzz]

Originally Posted by bouda78

there is a refirbushed pro8100 at amazon for 895$ :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...8914769&sr=8-1

Great deal if the VS Warranty is still in place, and it SHOULD be!!

Maybe someone sent it back for the VB issue.......

[novasol]

Originally Posted by bouda78

novasol good results and the best signal is RGB(0-255) even it didnt pass both btb and wtw but u can find it at most pioneer bluyray players , pc, also at those:
http://www.egreatusa.com/

YCbCr 4:2:2 act as 12-bit color
YCbCr 4:4:4 the best signal after RGB(0-255) or full because act as 10 bit color system and that what pro8100 can process 1024line.(10bit)

The PS3 is the only one that should be set for RGB Expanded(0-255). All other players will be clipping BTB and WTW and setting incorrect levels.

I agree that YCbCr 4:2:2 is not a good color space for the Pro8100. As verified by my Spears and Munsil disc, there is a loss of horizontal chroma resolution compared to YCbCr 4:4:4 and RGB(16-235).

The Sony is slightly behind the Samsung in Chroma reproduction, but nothing much to worry about.

I will be getting a Pioneer 320 to test so I will post my observations compared to the Sony and Samsung.

[bouda78]

novasol did u try to set ycbr super white to on it gives so much better difference at image quality at ps3 .

muzz if thats the problem then we know the secret answer

[novasol]

Originally Posted by bouda78

novasol did u try to set ycbr super white to on it gives so much better difference at image quality at ps3 .

muzz if thats the problem then we know the secret answer

I don't have a PS3..I'm not sure why you think I do?

[mgkdragn]

Originally Posted by bouda78

there is a refirbushed pro8100 at amazon for 895$ :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...8914769&sr=8-1

Not anymore... the seller offered a 30 day no questions asked return... including the shipping costs... they look to be pretty reputable... carries a lot of VS refurbs... so, I bought it... I'm going to set it side by side with my Epson 8100 and let the best PJ win...

Now, bouda78.. tell me what a great deal I made and what a great unit this is... Uncle Willie

[heavyharmonies]

Originally Posted by mgkdragn

Not anymore... the seller offered a 30 day no questions asked return... including the shipping costs... they look to be pretty reputable... carries a lot of VS refurbs... so, I bought it... I'm going to set it side by side with my Epson 8100 and let the best PJ win...

Now, bouda78.. tell me what a great deal I made and what a great unit this is... Uncle Willie

And screenshots... we definitely need more screenshots.

[M_Minnick]

Originally Posted by mgkdragn

Not anymore... the seller offered a 30 day no questions asked return... including the shipping costs... they look to be pretty reputable... carries a lot of VS refurbs... so, I bought it... I'm going to set it side by side with my Epson 8100 and let the best PJ win...

Now, bouda78.. tell me what a great deal I made and what a great unit this is... Uncle Willie

I picked one up also. I cancelled my order with TD that I placed nearly one month ago.

[mgkdragn]

Originally Posted by M_Minnick

I picked one up also. I cancelled my order with TD that I placed nearly one month ago.

I guess we must have cleaned them out then. I don't see any more for that kind of money. When I saw boudas post for the unit at $895, I figured how could you go wrong. A bulb probably costs 300 bucks. Now, I'm going to have to re read the thread and find the tweaks and what not.. that's what it's all about.

[bouda78]

mgkdragn finally big congrats to uncle willy, as u said the lamp alone cost 300$ thats mean the pj for 595$!!!! this is a deal, wen i posted ihoped u could read it because u were looking for one, btw after ull see the image ull never turn on ur epson8100 again.
iam realy glad that u got it.and as heavyharmonies said " if u need any screen shots just tell me "

M_Minnick congrats

[saumil]

Originally Posted by bouda78

mgkdragn finally big congrats to uncle willy, as u said the lamp alone cost 300$ thats mean the pj for 595$!!!! this is a deal, wen i posted ihoped u could read it because u were looking for one, btw after ull see the image ull never turn on ur epson8100 again.
iam realy glad that u got it.and as heavyharmonies said " if u need any screen shots just tell me "

M_Minnick congrats

You people are lucky, I didn't check this on Sunday.

[LandShark22]

Originally Posted by mgkdragn

Not anymore... the seller offered a 30 day no questions asked return... including the shipping costs... they look to be pretty reputable... carries a lot of VS refurbs... so, I bought it... I'm going to set it side by side with my Epson 8100 and let the best PJ win...

Now, bouda78.. tell me what a great deal I made and what a great unit this is... Uncle Willie

Be sure to let us know how the side by side comparison goes. I've been curious how the pro8100 stacks up against that "other" 8100

[EWADE09]

I just hooked up my xbox 360 to the Pro8100 through VGA, (My 360 is not an HDMI model) because I want 1080p for my HD DVDs. For some reason, the black levels I'm getting are terrible compared to my Sony blu-ray player, and worse even than the component 360 inputs that I was using before. No matter what I try, reducing the gamma/brightness/ contrast, nothing works, and the black levels are grey. Also, the projector constantly auto-adjusts the image and slides the picture to the left as soon as I start the 360 up. I don't understand why the two inputs would be so different under the same color settings. I would revert back to the component input, but the resolution is noticeably better through the vga. Anybody have any suggestions for any of that?

[Dark Rider]

Originally Posted by mgkdragn

I guess we must have cleaned them out then. I don't see any more for that kind of money. When I saw boudas post for the unit at $895, I figured how could you go wrong. A bulb probably costs 300 bucks. Now, I'm going to have to re read the thread and find the tweaks and what not.. that's what it's all about.

You can't go wrong at that price! I saw the refurb listing on amazon on Friday, and was seriously tempted. As much as my wife likes our current Pro8100 though, I doubt she'd stomach a second one!

[Dark Rider]

Originally Posted by EWADE09

I just hooked up my xbox 360 to the Pro8100 through VGA, (My 360 is not an HDMI model) because I want 1080p for my HD DVDs. For some reason, the black levels I'm getting are terrible compared to my Sony blu-ray player, and worse even than the component 360 inputs that I was using before. No matter what I try, reducing the gamma/brightness/ contrast, nothing works, and the black levels are grey. Also, the projector constantly auto-adjusts the image and slides the picture to the left as soon as I start the 360 up. I don't understand why the two inputs would be so different under the same color settings. I would revert back to the component input, but the resolution is noticeably better through the vga. Anybody have any suggestions for any of that?

If color mode on the projector is set to auto, try switching it to RGB.

[Dark Rider]

Originally Posted by novasol

Just got another blu-ray player Sony BDP -S360 and it does the following

RGB(16-235) passes BTB and WTW
YCbCr 4:4:4 passes WTW only
YCbCr 4:2:2 passes WTW only and has issues with Chroma resolution(from Spears and Munsil Blu-Ray)

One thing is that RGB requires a very different Contrast/Brightness setting than what I'm used to with YCbCr so I don't have that dialed in yet.

Something else I noticed is that the Sony has much richer blacks than my Samsung 2550 and has a little more detail to BD-ROM's. The Samsung has a slightly more cyan cast to the blacks. Also, the Sony noise reduction options works on Blu rays, so the detail settings can be increased in the Pro810O and the noise dialed down with the Sony.

Interesting find... I never did get around to trying my BD-P2500 on the Pro8100. It works very well with my Samsung LCD, so chances are that's where it will stay. My PS3 slim looks phenominal played through the Pro8100 and passes BTB and WTW in RGB. Maybe the color mode is impacting some folks black levels, and that's why there have been some complaints?

[bouda78]

EWADE09 connect ur xbox through component, then set ur xbox display to 1080i or 1080p if it accepted ,then go to display setting choose colors to expanded then choose color space to 701 for high definition or 601 for standerd definition, then at ur pro8100 set cobtrast to 39 brightness to 64 color saturation to 44 sharpness to 26. color user1, pic mode cinema. hqv on : detail enhancement to 7 ( for video games) pcs on.

saumil dont worry if GOD wills soon ull have one.

[EWADE09]

Originally Posted by bouda78

EWADE09 connect ur xbox through component, then set ur xbox display to 1080i or 1080p if it accepted ,then go to display setting choose colors to expanded then choose color space to 701 for high definition or 601 for standerd definition, then at ur pro8100 set cobtrast to 39 brightness to 64 color saturation to 44 sharpness to 26. color user1, pic mode cinema. hqv on : detail enhancement to 7 ( for video games) pcs on.

saumil dont worry if GOD wills soon ull have one.

Ok, thanks, but the whole point is that I can only get 1080p through VGA, so I would rather not connect through component. I'll try those settings though.