Samsung HLRxx67W Owners Thread --- 720p DLP HDTV

[carl033]

Originally Posted by Erock1

Big Worms & AKAStp,
Thank you both. I want to be able to have the choice between true 5.1 audio from the receiver and also be able to only use the TV's audio when I want. So if I understand correctly, (please excuse my being green) I can run the optical out from my stb to the optical in on my receiver for the 5.1 instead of what I have now which is, the optical out from the TV into the receiver's optical in. I still keep the composite audio from the stb's DVI out to the TVs compopsite audio in on the hdmi. Sound right? I wonder if this will cause the audio sync issue I seem to have luckily not run into

I get a big-time audio sync problem between the audio coming out of the TV speakers (already delayed by the TV to match its video processing delay time) and analog (red and white) audio from my satellite STB, routed directly to my HT receiver. I haven't yet tried comparing this to using an optical or coax connection to my audio system, as I don't have the proper inputs on my low-end Panasonic (HT-in-a-box).

[Erock1]

Originally Posted by carl033

I get a big-time audio sync problem between the audio coming out of the TV speakers (already delayed by the TV to match its video processing delay time) and analog (red and white) audio from my satellite STB, routed directly to my HT receiver. I haven't yet tried comparing this to using an optical or coax connection to my audio system, as I don't have the proper inputs on my low-end Panasonic (HT-in-a-box).

What connection are you using from your satellite STB to your TV? I'm using my STB's DVI audio out (analog cables) to my TV's HDMI audio in and do not have a sync problem.

[Erock1]

Originally Posted by EEBuckeye

The service technician came out to the house and looked at the tv. He initially thought it was dust and cleaned the entire tv including the mirror, screen, etc...

He said I need a new light engine! ouch! He placed the order and I should receive it next week.

God speed for the replacement! EEBuckeye, how long have you had the set for?

[subwoofer]

so this is an issue that you should contact Samsung about and not the company you bought the tv from or who you have the warrenty with?

[carl033]

Originally Posted by Erock1

What connection are you using from your satellite STB to your TV? I'm using my STB's DVI audio out (2 composite cables) to my TV's HDMI audio in and do not have a sync problem.

I have two different STBs and they both behave the same. I use the DVI HD output and DVI audio outputs (the analog red and white connections) from my Hughes HTL-HD DirecTV satellite receiver to the TV's HDMI (using an adapter) input and HDMI audio input connectors. I also run a second set of audio outputs from the STB directly to my home theater audio system. For comparison, I run the TV analog audio ouputs to another input of the HT. Switching back-and-forth, the TV audio output is sync'd to the video, but the direct connection from the STB to the HT produces audio ahead of the video. Reason? I think it is because there is a finite video processing delay for its circuits to analyze the input format and match or convert it to the HLR's 720p display mode. Knowing this, the designers built in a several millisecond delay in the audio to its own speakers and the TV audio outputs, so both come out in sync.
My other STB (a Motorola DSR500 Star Choice receiver) has only component video outputs for HD. I run them and the analog audios to one of my two TV component video inuts. Same issue - in sync using the TV audio output signal and audio ahead of the video with the direct STB-to-HT audio connection.

[jlk_250]

Originally Posted by carl033

I have two different STBs and they both behave the same. I use the DVI HD output and DVI audio outputs (the analog red and white connections) from my Hughes HTL-HD DirecTV satellite receiver to the TV's HDMI (using an adapter) input and HDMI audio input connectors. I also run a second set of audio outputs from the STB directly to my home theater audio system. For comparison, I run the TV analog audio ouputs to another input of the HT. Switching back-and-forth, the TV audio output is sync'd to the video, but the direct connection from the STB to the HT produces audio ahead of the video.

This is an easy one. Don't run the audio straight from the STB to the AVR. Go through the TV. You're only using 2 channel RCA jacks anyway so you're not giving anything up. It's the people trying to get DD 5.1 into their home theater systems who are screwed. You've got no problem at all until you upgrade to a better home theater system.

Okay, that's my answer but if it was that easy you'd already be doing that. What am I missing?

Jon

[carl033]

Originally Posted by jlk_250

This is an easy one. Don't run the audio straight from the STB to the AVR. Go through the TV. You're only using 2 channel RCA jacks anyway so you're not giving anything up. It's the people trying to get DD 5.1 into their home theater systems who are screwed. You've got no problem at all until you upgrade to a better home theater system.

Okay, that's my answer but if it was that easy you'd already be doing that. What am I missing?

Jon

Thanks for the reply. I AM doing that, and only use the direct connections when running audio services and radio stations from my STBs without the TV on. DD 5.1 is a problem when playing DVDs, as the player is an integral part of my low-end HT system. Oh well, time to upgrade the DVD player to one that upconverts to 720p and has audio delay adjustment.

[EEBuckeye]

I have had the tv for three months so that is why I called Samsung for service. Everything has gone smooth so far...

[jlk_250]

Originally Posted by carl033

Thanks for the reply. I AM doing that, and only use the direct connections when running audio services and radio stations from my STBs without the TV on. DD 5.1 is a problem when playing DVDs, as the player is an integral part of my low-end HT system. Oh well, time to upgrade the DVD player to one that upconverts to 720p and has audio delay adjustment.

Sorry, I thought from your description that you were using only 2 channel L/R audio everywhere. But your DVD player is built in so you have the same problem that everybody else is having. I knew if it was that easy you'd already be doing it.

Jon

[Erock1]

Originally Posted by carl033

I have two different STBs and they both behave the same. I use the DVI HD output and DVI audio outputs (the analog red and white connections) from my Hughes HTL-HD DirecTV satellite receiver to the TV's HDMI (using an adapter) input and HDMI audio input connectors. I also run a second set of audio outputs from the STB directly to my home theater audio system. For comparison, I run the TV analog audio ouputs to another input of the HT. Switching back-and-forth, the TV audio output is sync'd to the video, but the direct connection from the STB to the HT produces audio ahead of the video. Reason? I think it is because there is a finite video processing delay for its circuits to analyze the input format and match or convert it to the HLR's 720p display mode. Knowing this, the designers built in a several millisecond delay in the audio to its own speakers and the TV audio outputs, so both come out in sync.
My other STB (a Motorola DSR500 Star Choice receiver) has only component video outputs for HD. I run them and the analog audios to one of my two TV component video inuts. Same issue - in sync using the TV audio output signal and audio ahead of the video with the direct STB-to-HT audio connection.

If you look at my earlier posts of how I had my TV setup, I indicated that I (greatfully) wasn't experiencing any audio sync issues when viewing SD or HD content via my moto STB (DVI w/ anaolg audio) to the TV's HDMI input, or DVD content (DVD's component video out to TV w/ optical audio from DVD to HT receiver). I also had an audio optical out from the TV to my HT receiver for when I wanted TV audio to go to my external speakers. Problem with this was I wasn't getting real DD5.1 audio.

Last night I took the suggestions of Big Worms & AkaStp who advised me to remove the optical audio out from my TV and use the optical adudio out from my STB instead. I made this very simple switch and it worked! When my STB is receiving DD5.1 audio and I have my HT receiver on TV audio is now DD5.1. I did extensive testing last night with SD & HD programs from my STB and also with a number of DVDs and I am not experiencing any audio sync issues.

[subwoofer]

From what I've gathered, the audio sync issues can be fixed 100%. And if there are still some issues with it, its usually from the source being bad.

[spockware]

I want to get this TV except, I am really worried about game lag time with this model. Wish I could start a poll. Maybe I can, just couldn't figure it out. I'm a newbie to the forum, I say!

Anyway, looking for input from owners about their feelings on game lag time.
So, which is it for you? (Maybe somebody with 'poll power' could start a real poll, I guess...)

- lov'n all games

- good for most games

- 50% work fine

- crummy

- outright want to return TV

[subwoofer]

My thing with gamelag is that it won't affect me that much since the PS3 will be out within a year.

My question about lag is: Has anyone tried running old school Nintendo or Genesis games on a DLP tv and noticed any problems?

[spockware]

Originally Posted by subwoofer

My thing with gamelag is that it won't affect me that much since the PS3 will be out within a year.

I too will be upgrading to either PS3 or XBox360, but I'm not sure I want to 'throw' away all my games because the XX67 gamelag sucks on them. Rather get a TV that works for both.

BTW: Why would PS3 not have lag? Do XBOX 720p HD games have no lag? I swear I saw something about these games also exhibiting gamelag. So, unless PS3 processes the video-out perfectly for the Sammy so it has no processing to do, what is the benefit of PS3?

thanks!

[shanec]

Originally Posted by shanec

OK, I'd really like to do some mining here. What's the best way to go about it? A new thread maybe? I'd like to know what video settings - in the 'regular' menus and the service menu' - have been working out well.

OK owners, what are you using? More specifically, what video problems have you solved and what settings did the job for you?

Please somebody say they fixed DVD artifact problems.

Still no solution. Pretty much anywhere a light colored background is shown in low lighting, it looks all artifacted. I'm sure 'artifact' isn't exactly the right word, because it doesn't look all blocky (like streaming low bandwidth video on the internet). Maybe false color is a better word. It just doesn't happen all the time. Its like the gray scale is and tint is thrown way off in splotches. This is really obvious stuff, as I'm no video snob. I don't see rainbows or other mundane things most folks don't notice.

I bought a different DVD player to see if that helps. If not, I'm calling this in.

[shanec]

Originally Posted by Ed Dixon

I have had a HL-R4667W set now for a few weeks. One thing I have noticed lately is what I would call a splotchiness in the picture for mostly solid color objects. It is mostly seen on SD DirecTV channels when solid color objects are in somewhat low light. However the effect is still there for DVD source and to a much lesser extent HDTV DTV channels.

It looks like the pixels are quite large and somewhat visible. Almost as if shades of colors for a solid color object are limited on a small scale. As the brightness for a solid object changes across the surface, clear breaks are seen rather than a smooth color scale.

I have two other HD sets in the house and they do not show this effect. One is an older Mits set and the other a new JVC.

Any ideas?

Ed

Finally, somebody else has my problem. Is there a solution to this?

BTW, I have this problem with DVD using a Panasonic S97 (with and without latest firmware upgrade) with both component and HDMI connections. I've never seen the problem on OTA HD and I've not tried DirectTV yet.

[SawyerC]

More input from my testing of my new 4667. I had read that there's a lot of complaints about how SD looks on this set. I had both a DVR STB (Motorola 6412) and a CableCard installed by Comcast. Now that I'm on my second card it's working properly. What I have found is that the CableCard does a much better job of rendering analog channels. As good as my old CRT. Analog channels are soft out of the STB into either Comp or HDMI. The difference is less for digital channels, but I think the CableCard is still slightly better. For the HDTV channels (which is really why I bought this set) I can't see any difference between the CableCard and STB.

So I guess I'm going to make the CableCard my standard and only use the STB as a DVR. Sure would like to know if others have had the same experience. I wish it were otherwise, as I HATE the TVGuide.

[subwoofer]

I love the cablecard idea but I'm addicted to On-Demand too much to give it up. Wonder when they will have two way connection on those cards.

[carl033]

I sent samsungparts.com an email complaining about the bowing that happens, especially on the 50" and 56" HLRs when placed on the stand. Here's my email and the reply I got:

To: help@samsungparts.com
Subject: RE: Problem with TR46X3 stand - it does not support the front middle part of the TV

I bought the HL-R4667W with a TR46X3 stand. At first, it seemed to be the perfect mate to the TV. After a few weeks, I noticed a slight bowing of the front silvery part of the TV (where the speakers, IR sensor and status indicators are). Upon closer inspection, I found that due to the design of the stand, it does not support 3 of the front pads on the bottom of the TV! Therefore, the unsupported weight of the middle of the TV was causing a sag in the front section.

I checked the AVS Forum on the Web, and, sure enough, others were reporting the same problem. I then went to a store that displayed your sets, and saw the same thing - only worse. It was with your 56" model on the expanded 46X3 stand. Because of the increased weight and wider unsupported section, the bowing was about an inch, and was quite visible from several feet away. I mentioned it to the salesman. He was shocked and surprised.

Then I noticed a 61" model nearby. It had a nice thin pedestal under the middle 2/3 of the TV, and was supporting the entire weight of the TV just fine. Putting that pedestal on my smaller model and placing it on the 46X3 stand would appear to be a fix. The salesman suggested I contact you for help.

If you understand and agree with all of this, is it possible to furnish me with the pedestal piece that comes with your HL-R6167W? If yes, what is the part number and cost?

Thanks

Reply:
Thank you for your inquiry. I feel you will receive better assistance if you contact J&J International at 1-800-627-4368 and one our sales rep will assist you.

Thank you,

J&J International, Inc.
http://www.samsungparts.com
1-800-627-4368

[htwaits]

Originally Posted by carl033

I sent samsungparts.com an email complaining about the bowing that happens, especially on the 50" and 56" HLRs when placed on the stand. Here's my email and the reply I got:

Why didn't you take the "defective TV/defective stand" route? Your set is under warranty and it's not supposed to sag.

[SawyerC]

subwoofer,

Our local Comcast is maxed out in bandwidth and doesn't offer On-Demand yet. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing? In any case why would you suffer with poor picture quality when you can do better? Comcast has to give you a CableCard free, so you have nothing to lose by trying it.

[subwoofer]

I doubt the picture is that much worse and I can't imagine why it would be.

[toastyfries]

Originally Posted by SawyerC

subwoofer,

Our local Comcast is maxed out in bandwidth and doesn't offer On-Demand yet. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing? In any case why would you suffer with poor picture quality when you can do better? Comcast has to give you a CableCard free, so you have nothing to lose by trying it.

A free cable card? When I called Cox they said there was a fee.

[Milmanias]

Is there a way to resize the "Zoom 1" function? Some shows I watch (Battlestar Galactica, the Justice League cartoons" show in 4:3 mode in widescreen, but have black bars on all the sides. Shifting to Zoom 1, it covers the whole screen, but I end up losing a little bit on all sides. I looked at the manual but couldn't find any way to resize it.

[SawyerC]

toastyfries,
It's my understanding that it's a Federal law that the cable providers have to supply you with a free CableCard. You pay for a box, but not a card. Check your Action Line or BBB if Cox gives you the runaround.

[SawyerC]

subwoofer,

OK, we're not dealing with HDTV here, but... Yesterday I tried to watch a tennis match on ESPN2 thru my STB and it was terrible! I couldn't even see the ball. On the CableCard it was as good as or better than I was used to on my old CRT. Don't know how to convince you if you don't try it for yourself.

[subwoofer]

Interesting. I went to Circuit City today and was checking out the 5067w with HD and analog/digital channels through Comcast. The HD was very nice, a bit grainy here and there. The digital channels looked almost as good as DVDs and analog was horrible. They had the connection split from a STB. Still not sure if this tv is right for me because of the times I will be watching a channel that is from 2-99 and I get a bad feed. I also want to get On-Demand so using only a cable card isn't an option. I wonder when Comcast will offer the cable card that has two way communication and when all of their channels will be digital.

Worst part about my visit to CC was that they wouldn't budge with the price of a 4667w. I was able to chat with TVA and I could get it for about $300 less. Could someone PM me about their experience with TVA?

[Bridgeboy]

Originally Posted by spockware

I want to get this TV except, I am really worried about game lag time with this model. Wish I could start a poll. Maybe I can, just couldn't figure it out. I'm a newbie to the forum, I say!

Anyway, looking for input from owners about their feelings on game lag time.
So, which is it for you? (Maybe somebody with 'poll power' could start a real poll, I guess...)

- lov'n all games

- good for most games

- 50% work fine

- crummy

- outright want to return TV

I need to know this before I order as well. Can anyone who has received their TV and has played some games on it comment on this?

[lander215]

Originally Posted by subwoofer

Worst part about my visit to CC was that they wouldn't budge with the price of a 4667w. I was able to chat with TVA and I could get it for about $300 less. Could someone PM me about their experience with TVA?

That's strange, because I had the exact opposite experience at CC today. I took my KDF42655 back that I'd bought on 7/3 because I just wasn't happy with it for various reasons. I'd planned on getting the new A10 series, but they aren't on display in my area yet. I'd already researched the heck outta DLP so we sat and watched the Sammy's for about a half hour or so. After some back and forth with my wife, we decided on the 50". Went home to pack up the Sony and realized the 50" was pushing the limits on the space we had. Got back to CC and went straight to the electronics manager whom I've been working with for the past week and just flat out asked him his best price on the 46" Sammy. He came off the sale price another $200...I hesitated and he took another $50 off and I bought it. So I got the 46" for about $20 more than what I could have ordered it for off the Internet while at the same time putting money into the pockets of the guys that helped me decide and are local to me.

Here's the best part: as we were leaving, we saw them bring out the Sony that we'd just brought back and load up into another customers truck! They didn't have it fifteen minutes and had already sold it! I know, because the box had paint on it from where we've been painting our house!

[UCSB]

Originally Posted by Bridgeboy

I need to know this before I order as well. Can anyone who has received their TV and has played some games on it comment on this?

Take your gaming system down to the store and try our a few of your favorite games. It is not big deal and you will have a solid answer to your question.