Samsung 1080p Owner's Thread --- HLRxxx8W DLP Models

[GoobTheNoob]

Originally Posted by wish_i_had_hdtv

Oh Ok! Can you shed some light on this for me and others then? How did you turn OFF DNIE? Help appreciated.

It's been posted many times in this thread. The "Search This Thread" feature is quite helpful.

[GoobTheNoob]

Originally Posted by jhixson

My menu screen when I push the menu button is no longer centered it is now a little left and up. Has any one ever seen this? It still works fine just not in the same position.

Mine has always been up and left.

[johnnyzcar]

Hello all,
I hope someone can shed some light on my problem. I have had my 6768 for about a month now and last night when I fired it up it seemed to take a little longer than usual for the picture to start. In other words I turned it on and heard the tones and the lamp light was flashing for a bit and then the picture came up. I cycled the power on and off and that was it poof nothing now. The lamp light is continuously flashing. The lamp is actually on because I can see it on when I look behind the TV. I can hear what sounds like the color wheel spinning up but I never get the power up tones like before. In the past I think I have seen a slight flicker come and go. I have tried to unplug for a while but when I replug it goes back to the lamp flashing thing and the picture never comes up. I can see a slight lighting of the screen but no picture. I guess I’ll make a call to service now but fear that I’ll end up getting a yoyo that knows nothing about what he’s doing and end up worse off than before or end up with a lesser picture quality.
Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[Doug Schiller]

I'm no expert on how things are done here but there needs to be a sticky FAQ or first post that answers the FAQs.
This thread is 249 pages long and topics can go in any direction (calibration, Xbox360, lip synch, DNEi, etc.) it would be nice to have an easy location to go for tips tricks and cheats.
If you do a search on DNEi, you'll get 50 results, I'm sure.

[jbeedy]

I am so confused! I have bounced back and forthe from the Sammy 5668 to the HP 5880. The HP's PIP really sucks and it is a deal breaker for me. The Sammy seems to have alot of issues too, such as lag, DNEi issues and others. I am just going to use my TV as a TV. No computer hookup and I watch alot of sports, SD, and movies. Can someone please give me some feedback on this Sammy? Is it worth it or is there too many problems with it? I want it by Christmas, but I am really confused. I also considered the Sony SXRD. What does everyone think?

[alangant]

Originally Posted by johnnyzcar

Hello all,
I hope someone can shed some light on my problem. I have had my 6768 for about a month now and last night when I fired it up it seemed to take a little longer than usual for the picture to start. In other words I turned it on and heard the tones and the lamp light was flashing for a bit and then the picture came up. I cycled the power on and off and that was it poof nothing now. The lamp light is continuously flashing. The lamp is actually on because I can see it on when I look behind the TV. I can hear what sounds like the color wheel spinning up but I never get the power up tones like before. In the past I think I have seen a slight flicker come and go. I have tried to unplug for a while but when I replug it goes back to the lamp flashing thing and the picture never comes up. I can see a slight lighting of the screen but no picture. I guess I’ll make a call to service now but fear that I’ll end up getting a yoyo that knows nothing about what he’s doing and end up worse off than before or end up with a lesser picture quality.
Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.

Thanks.

I had a similar experience with my 6168 a few weeks ago. Samsung came out on a service call, and replaced my light engine. In my case, the picture would come on for up to 30 seconds before going blank. Although I had a little difficulty in scheduling the visit by their authorized center, once the tech arrived everything went quickly and smoothly.

Good luck!

Alan

[wish_i_had_hdtv]

Originally Posted by GoobTheNoob

It's been posted many times in this thread. The "Search This Thread" feature is quite helpful.

I have read almost all the posts since this thread's inception. (what does that say about me??). Of course, I might have missed something...

As I said, I tried setting the values bigray mentions in his post and others seem to have corroborated. In my case, setting those values to OFF doesn't make a big difference to the PQ and does not remove audio lag.

Aaronwt has hinted that there are some other things I need to do in order to totally remove DNIE. I was merely trying to find out what those things are.... Besides, as someone else said - the search feature will not necessarily provide the answers because there are just too many posts on that particular topic.

Cheers.

[schaffer970]

Originally Posted by jbeedy

I am so confused! I have bounced back and forthe from the Sammy 5668 to the HP 5880. The HP's PIP really sucks and it is a deal breaker for me. The Sammy seems to have alot of issues too, such as lag, DNEi issues and others. I am just going to use my TV as a TV. No computer hookup and I watch alot of sports, SD, and movies. Can someone please give me some feedback on this Sammy? Is it worth it or is there too many problems with it? I want it by Christmas, but I am really confused. I also considered the Sony SXRD. What does everyone think?

Remember that the ragging that goes on here is over details that most people will never care about. I have a HLR6168 and love it for watching TV and DVD movies. I use a Motorola 6412 STB for cable and watch a fair amount of SD TV. Sitting between 8 and 9 foot away the SD is VERY watchable in my opinion. HD is obviously great! Much of the lag associated with TV has to do with the source and has nothing to do with the set. If it really bothers you there are workable solutions. If you are going to use the TV speakers then lag is even less of a problem, this is mostly a problem when sending the audio to a separate receiver.

Good luck!

[wish_i_had_hdtv]

Originally Posted by schaffer970

Remember that the ragging that goes on here is over details that most people will never care about. I have a HLR6168 and love it for watching TV and DVD movies. I use a Motorola 6412 STB for cable and watch a fair amount of SD TV. Sitting between 8 and 9 foot away the SD is VERY watchable in my opinion. HD is obviously great! Much of the lag associated with TV has to do with the source and has nothing to do with the set. If it really bothers you there are workable solutions. If you are going to use the TV speakers then lag is even less of a problem, this is mostly a problem when sending the audio to a separate receiver.

Good luck!

I would agree in general. But I just want to point out that to get the best possible picture out of this set, you may need to calibrate it yourself or get it professionally calibrated. But this is true of almost all sets.

I also agree that with the Moto 6412 III, SD is very watchable! HD is great!

[93SHOcar]

Originally Posted by johnnyzcar

Hello all,
I hope someone can shed some light on my problem. I have had my 6768 for about a month now and last night when I fired it up it seemed to take a little longer than usual for the picture to start. In other words I turned it on and heard the tones and the lamp light was flashing for a bit and then the picture came up. I cycled the power on and off and that was it poof nothing now. The lamp light is continuously flashing. The lamp is actually on because I can see it on when I look behind the TV. I can hear what sounds like the color wheel spinning up but I never get the power up tones like before. In the past I think I have seen a slight flicker come and go. I have tried to unplug for a while but when I replug it goes back to the lamp flashing thing and the picture never comes up. I can see a slight lighting of the screen but no picture. I guess I’ll make a call to service now but fear that I’ll end up getting a yoyo that knows nothing about what he’s doing and end up worse off than before or end up with a lesser picture quality.
Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.

Thanks.

I had a similar problem after short cycling the set (turned on, then cut off before full illumination). The next day when I turned it on, it acted the same as yours with light in the back but no image. I tried various cycling methods of longer duration and eventually let it just run for 15-20 minutes with no image. Finally, the image came on and tv has been functioning normally ever since.

I am guessing that somehow the short cycling caused the DLP chip to hang. Eventually, it re-set/rebooted and behaved normally.

I posted the issue a couple of times but did not get any "me too's" after posting. Since the tv has been perfect after this one glitch, I wrote it off as something I caused by short cycling the set. Hope yours clears as well.

[UCSB]

Originally Posted by hilbe

Is there any hope that Samsung will release some sort of software update to the sets that will allow 1080p over other inputs other than VGA?

No ... Samsung was clear about the TV spec's from the beginning.

[Videopark]

Originally Posted by aaronwt

The HDMI chips that they used can't support 1080P.

If I am reading the service manual schematic of the digital block board diagram correctly, the PC VGA signal enters the IPC and Matrix scaler at the "end of the line". It is after the X226 main processor chip and after the DNle processor. So it seems that it enters the circuit after the other video streams are processed into 1080. That would explain why there is less to no delay and why you would see no effect from the DNle processor. The PC enters the scaler and then to the screen. Much less processing occurs on the PC VGA input.

Dynamic black and the Smooth Picture Actuator happen on the DMD board.

[UCSB]

Originally Posted by johnnyzcar

Hello all,
I hope someone can shed some light on my problem. I have had my 6768 for about a month now and last night when I fired it up it seemed to take a little longer than usual for the picture to start. In other words I turned it on and heard the tones and the lamp light was flashing for a bit and then the picture came up. I cycled the power on and off and that was it poof nothing now. The lamp light is continuously flashing. The lamp is actually on because I can see it on when I look behind the TV. I can hear what sounds like the color wheel spinning up but I never get the power up tones like before. In the past I think I have seen a slight flicker come and go. I have tried to unplug for a while but when I replug it goes back to the lamp flashing thing and the picture never comes up. I can see a slight lighting of the screen but no picture. I guess I’ll make a call to service now but fear that I’ll end up getting a yoyo that knows nothing about what he’s doing and end up worse off than before or end up with a lesser picture quality.
Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.

Thanks.

First, cycling the power switch on these TV's is not a good idea. It is always a good idea to let the TV completely shutdown before turning it back on. You can try unplugging the TV for 5 minutes and then see if it is reset. If not, call 1-800-Samsung for support.

[GoobTheNoob]

Originally Posted by wish_i_had_hdtv

I have read almost all the posts since this thread's inception. (what does that say about me??). Of course, I might have missed something...

As I said, I tried setting the values bigray mentions in his post and others seem to have corroborated. In my case, setting those values to OFF doesn't make a big difference to the PQ and does not remove audio lag.

Aaronwt has hinted that there are some other things I need to do in order to totally remove DNIE. I was merely trying to find out what those things are.... Besides, as someone else said - the search feature will not necessarily provide the answers because there are just too many posts on that particular topic.

Cheers.

Assuming you have a programmable remote with the service menu access discrete code...

Hit Info followed quickly by the Service Menu discrete. Select DNIe service menu item. Up arrow 4 times to DNIe On/Off. Select. (I believe most sets show DNIe On/Off as "Off" but it is not) Right arrow so DNIe On/Off is "On". Right arrow again so it is "Off" (should truly be off now). Hit the Menu button. Hit the Menu button again (you should be at the main service menu screen now). Hit the Service Menu discrete. You will see "Ageing" displayed. Hit the Service Menu discrete again. Enjoy.

* entering the service menu will reset your picture mode to Standard so you will need to switch to whatever picture mode you like to use. I believe any user modifications to the picture modes are also lost upon entering the service menu.

[sampsonjw]

Originally Posted by wish_i_had_hdtv

I have read almost all the posts since this thread's inception. (what does that say about me??). Of course, I might have missed something...

As I said, I tried setting the values bigray mentions in his post and others seem to have corroborated. In my case, setting those values to OFF doesn't make a big difference to the PQ and does not remove audio lag.

Aaronwt has hinted that there are some other things I need to do in order to totally remove DNIE. I was merely trying to find out what those things are.... Besides, as someone else said - the search feature will not necessarily provide the answers because there are just too many posts on that particular topic.

Cheers.

This was posted at Home theater Spot...hop eit helps

Hello all,

Recently, we've discovered a way to permanently disable DNIe and its negative floating black and excessive edge enhancement attributes on the current line of Samsung 1080p displays! Depending on what firmware version you have, these adjustments might have to be performed for every input used including antenna and cable. I've also found that on the component inputs this will need to be performed for 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. BTW, if a cable HDMI, Component, etc.) gets disconnected you may have to perform this tweak again.

WARNING, I ASSUME NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DAMAGE CAUSED BY ENTERING THE SERVICE MENU! USE EXTREME CAUTION AND WRITE DOWN ANY SETTINGS BEFORE MAKING ANY CHANGES!

1. Enter the service menu by pressing "mute, 1, 8, 2, power" within a second of one another while the TV is turned off.
2. Once in the service menu, use the arrow keys to go to the "DNIe" page and right click.
3. Once in the DNIe page, turn each of the following parameters in the first column to the "OFF" position.

SNI_PROC_CEA
SNI_PROC_CEP
SNI_PROC_DEP
SNI_PROC_DCE
SNI_PROC_CCS
SNI_PROC_BWS
SNI_PROC_PCC
SNI_PROC_WTE
SNI_PROC_CTE

That's it! No more DNIe!

Good luck and happy viewing..

Eliab

[wish_i_had_hdtv]

Originally Posted by GoobTheNoob

Assuming you have a programmable remote with the service menu access discrete code...

Hit Info followed quickly by the Service Menu discrete. Select DNIe service menu item. Up arrow 4 times to DNIe On/Off. Select. (I believe most sets show DNIe On/Off as "Off" but it is not) Right arrow so DNIe On/Off is "On". Right arrow again so it is "Off" (should truly be off now). Hit the Menu button. Hit the Menu button again (you should be at the main service menu screen now). Hit the Service Menu discrete. You will see "Ageing" displayed. Hit the Service Menu discrete again. Enjoy.

* entering the service menu will reset your picture mode to Standard so you will need to switch to whatever picture mode you like to use. I believe any user modifications to the picture modes are also lost upon entering the service menu.

Many thanks Goob! I don't have a programmable remote - I have been accessing the SM via the regular Mute-1-8-2-Power sequence. I never see the "Ageing" being displayed though when I am done - seems like you are saying that I have to use the above sequence even to get out of the SM.... Hmmm - I feel like a genius at this point. :-)

[wish_i_had_hdtv]

Originally Posted by sampsonjw

This was posted at Home theater Spot...hop eit helps

Hello all,

Recently, we've discovered a way to permanently disable DNIe and its negative floating black and excessive edge enhancement attributes on the current line of Samsung 1080p displays! Depending on what firmware version you have, these adjustments might have to be performed for every input used including antenna and cable. I've also found that on the component inputs this will need to be performed for 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. BTW, if a cable HDMI, Component, etc.) gets disconnected you may have to perform this tweak again.

WARNING, I ASSUME NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DAMAGE CAUSED BY ENTERING THE SERVICE MENU! USE EXTREME CAUTION AND WRITE DOWN ANY SETTINGS BEFORE MAKING ANY CHANGES!

1. Enter the service menu by pressing "mute, 1, 8, 2, power" within a second of one another while the TV is turned off.
2. Once in the service menu, use the arrow keys to go to the "DNIe" page and right click.
3. Once in the DNIe page, turn each of the following parameters in the first column to the "OFF" position.

SNI_PROC_CEA
SNI_PROC_CEP
SNI_PROC_DEP
SNI_PROC_DCE
SNI_PROC_CCS
SNI_PROC_BWS
SNI_PROC_PCC
SNI_PROC_WTE
SNI_PROC_CTE

That's it! No more DNIe!

Good luck and happy viewing..

Eliab

You rock Sampsonjw! I will try these tonight and report back!

Cheers.

[vandu]

Originally Posted by sampsonjw

This was posted at Home theater Spot...hop eit helps

Hello all,

Recently, we've discovered a way to permanently disable DNIe and its negative floating black and excessive edge enhancement attributes on the current line of Samsung 1080p displays! Depending on what firmware version you have, these adjustments might have to be performed for every input used including antenna and cable. I've also found that on the component inputs this will need to be performed for 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. BTW, if a cable HDMI, Component, etc.) gets disconnected you may have to perform this tweak again.

WARNING, I ASSUME NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DAMAGE CAUSED BY ENTERING THE SERVICE MENU! USE EXTREME CAUTION AND WRITE DOWN ANY SETTINGS BEFORE MAKING ANY CHANGES!

1. Enter the service menu by pressing "mute, 1, 8, 2, power" within a second of one another while the TV is turned off.
2. Once in the service menu, use the arrow keys to go to the "DNIe" page and right click.
3. Once in the DNIe page, turn each of the following parameters in the first column to the "OFF" position.

SNI_PROC_CEA
SNI_PROC_CEP
SNI_PROC_DEP
SNI_PROC_DCE
SNI_PROC_CCS
SNI_PROC_BWS
SNI_PROC_PCC
SNI_PROC_WTE
SNI_PROC_CTE

That's it! No more DNIe!

Good luck and happy viewing..

Eliab

I just turned off all the items listed. My previous setup had BWS, DEP and DCE turned off. I didn’t notice any picture changes from turning off the additional items but I wasn’t monitoring a test pattern, when the changes were made.
Turning off all these items does not appear to have any impact on video lag. I have my Felston set for a 110 ms. Lip sync is still improved with a 110 ms. audio delay.

[GoobTheNoob]

Originally Posted by wish_i_had_hdtv

Many thanks Goob! I don't have a programmable remote - I have been accessing the SM via the regular Mute-1-8-2-Power sequence. I never see the "Ageing" being displayed though when I am done - seems like you are saying that I have to use the above sequence even to get out of the SM.... Hmmm - I feel like a genius at this point. :-)

Yeah, the service menu discrete code is the only way to exit the service menu without switching off the tv. If the info in your last post works (the sampsonjw/Eliab post), then nm

[sampsonjw]

Originally Posted by wish_i_had_hdtv

You rock Sampsonjw! I will try these tonight and report back!

Cheers.

Glad to help. i hope it works for you. I have yet to try it, but i am having my 6168 calibrated on friday and Iwill let the calibrator do it. i'm not afraid to get into the SM as i have on this display , and others i have owned, but when he does it, he will be able to explain the subtle, or major changes that it will make to the picture. I can't wait to see what it looks like when he is all done with it

[Doug Schiller]

That is funny. I noticed lip synch lag when I first got my 6168, I have shut down the 3 settings and haven't noticed it since.

[HoustonPerson]

I am considering the purchase of the Samsung 42" 720p, and the 56" 1080p sets.............what are the know problems if any with these sets?

Are there geometry problems like pincushion or other distortions? If there is, can it be adjusted out?

Thanks.

[jhixson]

I think I am going to buy a Harman Kardon 7300 my only question for all of you is is the 80ms audio delay long enough for these TVs? This is my only concern with this receiver.

6768 Owner

Edit: I think I will be fine with the Oppo just concerned with the set top box.

[UCSB]

Originally Posted by jhixson

I think I am going to buy a Harman Kardon 7300 my only question for all of you is is the 80ms audio delay long enough for these TVs? This is my only concern with this receiver.

6768 Owner

Edit: I think I will be fine with the Oppo just concerned with the set top box.

80 ms is NOT enough. Expect something in the 100 ms - 150 ms range. Some components could even be higher. A few members have reported even longer delays on their OPPO players over DVI-HDMI.

[UCSB]

Originally Posted by HoustonPerson

I am considering the purchase of the Samsung 42" 720p, and the 56" 1080p sets.............what are the know problems if any with these sets?

Are there geometry problems like pincushion or other distortions? If there is, can it be adjusted out?

Thanks.

Go with the 46" instead of the 42", if you can step up to it. For more info on the difference between the 42" and 46", check out this link: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...68#post4954868

[jhixson]

Originally Posted by UCSB

80 ms is NOT enough. Expect something in the 100 ms - 150 ms range. Some components could even be higher. A few members have reported even longer delays on their OPPO players over DVI-HDMI.

The Oppo has its own delay so the two would add to 150ms. I think they are disontinuing HK7300 it is not in their new broshure and the price is very good for this receiver. The only problem may be the STB, I watch my locals over an antenna.

[prashant_altekar]

I have been reading this thread since I thought I had decided to buy the Samsung HL-R6168W. By now, I am thoroughly confused.

I have read several articles on the thread. I haven't read all of them, I couldn't. This is what I understand.

Great picture quality, but...

There may be a video lag. It may be in the source. May be it's in the TV, and it could change for every source. Turning DNIe off may help, but it won't be sticky. However you can make it sticky if you have some special remote and are willing to go in to service menu at your own risk. Or you could use a Felston, but that may not work as the delay can vary per channel.

It doesn't have a respectable (?) 1080p input. But it may or may not matter.

The TV might be throwing half of the 1080i lines away. No one knows as the article in question did not mention the model names.

Oh, and that DNIe thingy above, you may want to turn it off irrespective of video lag because it actually makes the image worse.

(There were also some DOA or other odd problem reported. But I will probably go for extended warranty and not let these things bother me)

What I am looking for is around 60" TV with 1080 horizontal lines that I can buy and use without much hassle or headaches. If 6168 is not the one, I will have to go for 720p. And for my viewing distance (around 8 feet), I won't go for anything bigger than 50" for 720p.

It would be great if someone could consolidate all the knowledge in this 250-pages-so-far thread in an FAQ (not an original idea, I know). That way people like me will know exactly what they are getting into.

In return I will...

I guess all I can do in return is share my experience and possibly contribute to the FAQ.

[UCSB]

Originally Posted by jhixson

The Oppo has its own delay so the two would add to 150ms. I think they are disontinuing HK7300 it is not in their new broshure and the price is very good for this receiver. The only problem may be the STB, I watch my locals over an antenna.

I wouldn't rely on that logic ... it may work, but you should search this thread for comments by OPPO owners before placing your order.

[millerwill]

FWIW, I have a Mits 73727 and need a delay of ~ 120 msec (with the Felston delay box) with Comcast input in order sync audio and video precisely. So this is a feature of all dlp's (and perhaps others too).

[UCSB]

Originally Posted by millerwill

FWIW, I have a Mits 73727 and need a delay of ~ 120 msec (with the Felston delay box) with Comcast input in order sync audio and video precisely. So this is a feature of all dlp's (and perhaps others too).

That's about where I have my Felston set for the 6412 III also (actually in the 106 - 116 ms range).