Oppo Digital DV-970HD FAQ / Brain dump

joelgee · 08-10-06, 02:08 PM

Yugin--
I have a 970HD and have had the same problem a couple of times. I believe I've read somewhere that it has to do with an HDMI handshaking issue.
I've discovered that if it happens, I turn off the Oppo, go to a different source, return to my DVD source, and then turn on the Oppo, it's all good.
J

yugin · 08-10-06, 03:01 PM

Handshake issue? Is that what it is?
What causes it? Any specific workaorund like replacing cable or something?
Seems like it asking to be powered on in some specific order. I need to play with it a little bit more tonight.

rwestley · 08-10-06, 03:20 PM

HDCP handshake issues are hard to resolve. Usually it is cause by an issue with the unit you are connecting to. Check to see that the cables are secure. It is also better to turn on the TV first.

brinyhenry · 08-10-06, 03:42 PM

This question is for all you 970 owners who are hooking the player up with a HDMI-DVI cable. Are there any signs of green depression when hooked up to a DVI ready television? I know this has been an issue with other HDMI dvd players. I'm asking because I'm contemplating on buying the replacement to the 971 which I know will have HDMI.

brady239 · 08-10-06, 05:01 PM

Would I be right to expect an increase in PQ if I got the 970 over my current Philips DVP642? I'm using component cables currently to connect the DVP642 to my new Panasonic 42PWD8UK (I know its an EDTV). I don't have the HDMI board for the 8UK. I don't really want to order the HDMI board yet, but I am not entirely satisified with the DVD PQ of the Philips DVD player and want to know if running 480p via component on the 970 would be an improvement.

DVD Benchmark 970HD

DVD Benchmark Philips DVP642

RichB · 08-10-06, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brady239

Would I be right to expect an increase in PQ if I got the 970 over my current Philips DVP642? I'm using component cables currently to connect the DVP642 to my new Panasonic 42PWD8UK (I know its an EDTV). I don't have the HDMI board for the 8UK. I don't really want to order the HDMI board yet, but I am not entirely satisified with the DVD PQ of the Philips DVD player and want to know if running 480p via component on the 970 would be an improvement.

DVD Benchmark 970HD

DVD Benchmark Philips DVP642

I think there is confusion about the Secrets benchmarks. The Y/C delay and frequency response have to do with the image. The other marks have to do with player speed and de-interlacing. A play could have better de-interlacing but worse scaling. So you need to know what type of DVDs you watch: Film, Video, Anime and weight their finding accordingly. For most people who watch film based DVDs scaling, Y/C delay, Chroma handling would be or most importance.

- Rich

brady239 · 08-10-06, 06:07 PM

The majority of the DVDs I watch are Film based I believe. Video would be like TV shows on DVD right? Sorry if that's wrong, I'm not really sure. Is there any where else then that I can compare DVD players and their picture quality? The DVP642 just looks sort of dirty to me I guess and am looking for something with a cleaner image.

I guess I could keep an eye out for the Denon 1600 or the Panasonic XP-30.

max_raid · 08-11-06, 01:53 AM

After researching the differences between the Oppo 970 and 971 I'm at a loss technically as to which one to buy. I recently bought a Panasonic PX60U and am looking for the best fit with my tv. I'm not sure if I should buy the Oppo 970HD to transfer the 480i signal and let my TV do the upscaling or pick up the 971 and let it upscale? I'm mainly concerned with getting the best PQ from DVDs and divx video. Which player, in my situation, is better?

Confused, and thanks for any recommendations.

alex_t · 08-11-06, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max_raid

After researching the differences between the Oppo 970 and 971 I'm at a loss technically as to which one to buy. I recently bought a Panasonic PX60U and am looking for the best fit with my tv. I'm not sure if I should buy the Oppo 970HD to transfer the 480i signal and let my TV do the upscaling or pick up the 971 and let it upscale? I'm mainly concerned with getting the best PQ from DVDs and divx video. Which player, in my situation, is better?

Confused, and thanks for any recommendations.

Hello.

Oppo 971 has DCDi by Faroudja for De-interlacing and Genesis/Faroudja for HD Up-converting / Scaling. Both are very, very good.

If your TV has the same De-interlacing and upscaling system + HDMI with HDCP or DVI with HDCP then Oppo 970 is for you else Oppo 971 is recommended.

Nevertheless, with oppo 971, it is necessary to verify its compatibility with your TV because Oppo 971 has DVI without HDCP.

SacramentoSquid · 08-11-06, 05:50 AM

This question has probably been answered somewhere in this huge, helpful thread, but I could not manage to find it anywhere, so will the oppo players play Divx/Xvid files that are on +/_ RW, or only single write disks? And if they will read off RW's, will the player upconvert them?

sordof · 08-11-06, 07:29 AM

Yes, the OPPO 970 will play xvid/divx files burned on +/- RW and upscale. I had the LG player that would only play -RW, but returned it for the OPPO.

DavidHir · 08-11-06, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brady239

The majority of the DVDs I watch are Film based I believe. Video would be like TV shows on DVD right? Sorry if that's wrong, I'm not really sure. Is there any where else then that I can compare DVD players and their picture quality? The DVP642 just looks sort of dirty to me I guess and am looking for something with a cleaner image.

I guess I could keep an eye out for the Denon 1600 or the Panasonic XP-30.

I used the Pansonic XP-30 exclusively for over a year. It's a very good 480p component player. Right now, I'm using the Oppo 970 (sometimes at 480p component and other times upscaled 1080i HDMI). While I wasn't able to A/B them, with "real world" film-based DVD viewing, the Oppo colors seem a bit better to me and may even have an overall slightly better image....again, going by memory here. All in all, I think the Oppo would be a good selection. On the other hand, I've seen used XP-30s selling for under $100 on some forums. But, there's always a risk buying a used player. And, with the Oppo, you can always upscale one day if you choose.

brady239 · 08-11-06, 10:09 AM

I was thinking that about the upscaling too. It's a good point. I think I'm leaning towards the 970, hopefully its better than my current DVP642.

Could someone clarify film vs. video DVD just so I make sure I'm understanding it correctly? Or just point me in the right direction where I could read about it.

Steve L · 08-11-06, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brady239

I was thinking that about the upscaling too. It's a good point. I think I'm leaning towards the 970, hopefully its better than my current DVP642.

Could someone clarify film vs. video DVD just so I make sure I'm understanding it correctly? Or just point me in the right direction where I could read about it.

Try here.

/steve

Stimby · 08-11-06, 03:57 PM

Found a firmware hack for the 970 on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mt13x9_files/files/

Heres a link to an ISO file of it.
http://rapidshare.de/files/29049631/613AMOD.iso.html

Another link to the ISO
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...E441C8735AFC21

Apparently disables HDCP/Enables Component outputs. Can anyone confirm?

Neuromancer · 08-11-06, 04:22 PM

I can confirm Component based upconversion and a loss of HDCP compliance, but I do not know what features may or may not be working on this release. YMMV.

bri1270 · 08-11-06, 05:15 PM

What is YMMV ???

AVSman · 08-11-06, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bri1270

What is YMMV ???

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-quer...V&string=exact

Stimby · 08-11-06, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bri1270

What is YMMV ???

Your mileage may vary.

bri1270 · 08-11-06, 05:45 PM

Thanks guys...

DavidHir · 08-11-06, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

I can confirm Component based upconversion and a loss of HDCP compliance, but I do not know what features may or may not be working on this release. YMMV.

Are you saying you can confirm component upconversion for commerical DVDs?

Stimby · 08-11-06, 06:52 PM

I've confirmed component up conversion for commercial DVDs too. I haven't tested HDCP yet, as I lack a display to test it with.

sordof · 08-11-06, 07:02 PM

How does one use the new hack - for upconversion of commercial dvd thru component? I wouldn't want to screw up my 970.

DavidHir · 08-11-06, 07:06 PM

I was just going to ask.....any side effects of using this hack?

Neuromancer · 08-11-06, 07:13 PM

Don't know, hence my YMMV comment. I just popped it in to test the two features of the hacked release, and they seem to work. However, I have not done a full analyzation of the firmware, so who knows if anything is lost when using this firmware release.

Neuromancer · 08-11-06, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sordof

How does one use the new hack - for upconversion of commercial dvd thru component? I wouldn't want to screw up my 970.

You install it like the official firmware releases. Download the ISO image, then use an ISO/Image burning program to master the disc. Place the disc in the DVD unit and press Play. Follow the onscreen instructions.

DavidHir · 08-11-06, 07:28 PM

Neural,

Please post your results when your analyzation is complete.

Even though my CRT RPTV has HDMI (which is fully calibrated), component still looks slightly better (slightly brighter, more natural color and picture) which is why this hack really interests me.

Stimby · 08-11-06, 07:55 PM

A couple things, it apparently retains the latest audio fixes of 613A.

DavidHir · 08-11-06, 08:04 PM

The ISO file can be burned to a CD, right?

brady239 · 08-11-06, 08:06 PM

If this works without any adverse side effects I'm definatly sold on the 970.

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joelgee Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 79	Yugin-- I have a 970HD and have had the same problem a couple of times. I believe I've read somewhere that it has to do with an HDMI handshaking issue. I've discovered that if it happens, I turn off the Oppo, go to a different source, return to my DVD source, and then turn on the Oppo, it's all good. J

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brady239 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 48	Would I be right to expect an increase in PQ if I got the 970 over my current Philips DVP642? I'm using component cables currently to connect the DVP642 to my new Panasonic 42PWD8UK (I know its an EDTV). I don't have the HDMI board for the 8UK. I don't really want to order the HDMI board yet, but I am not entirely satisified with the DVD PQ of the Philips DVD player and want to know if running 480p via component on the 970 would be an improvement. DVD Benchmark 970HD DVD Benchmark Philips DVP642

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max_raid New Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13	Oppos After researching the differences between the Oppo 970 and 971 I'm at a loss technically as to which one to buy. I recently bought a Panasonic PX60U and am looking for the best fit with my tv. I'm not sure if I should buy the Oppo 970HD to transfer the 480i signal and let my TV do the upscaling or pick up the 971 and let it upscale? I'm mainly concerned with getting the best PQ from DVDs and divx video. Which player, in my situation, is better? Confused, and thanks for any recommendations.

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SacramentoSquid New Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1	This question has probably been answered somewhere in this huge, helpful thread, but I could not manage to find it anywhere, so will the oppo players play Divx/Xvid files that are on +/_ RW, or only single write disks? And if they will read off RW's, will the player upconvert them?

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Stimby Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 415	Found a firmware hack for the 970 on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mt13x9_files/files/ Heres a link to an ISO file of it. http://rapidshare.de/files/29049631/613AMOD.iso.html Another link to the ISO http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...E441C8735AFC21 Apparently disables HDCP/Enables Component outputs. Can anyone confirm? Last edited by Stimby; 08-11-06 at 04:46 PM..

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yugin New Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8	Handshake issue? Is that what it is? What causes it? Any specific workaorund like replacing cable or something? Seems like it asking to be powered on in some specific order. I need to play with it a little bit more tonight.

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rwestley AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,046	HDCP handshake issues are hard to resolve. Usually it is cause by an issue with the unit you are connecting to. Check to see that the cables are secure. It is also better to turn on the TV first.

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brinyhenry Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 301	This question is for all you 970 owners who are hooking the player up with a HDMI-DVI cable. Are there any signs of green depression when hooked up to a DVI ready television? I know this has been an issue with other HDMI dvd players. I'm asking because I'm contemplating on buying the replacement to the 971 which I know will have HDMI.

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brady239 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 48	The majority of the DVDs I watch are Film based I believe. Video would be like TV shows on DVD right? Sorry if that's wrong, I'm not really sure. Is there any where else then that I can compare DVD players and their picture quality? The DVP642 just looks sort of dirty to me I guess and am looking for something with a cleaner image. I guess I could keep an eye out for the Denon 1600 or the Panasonic XP-30.

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sordof Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 46	Yes, the OPPO 970 will play xvid/divx files burned on +/- RW and upscale. I had the LG player that would only play -RW, but returned it for the OPPO.

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brady239 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 48	I was thinking that about the upscaling too. It's a good point. I think I'm leaning towards the 970, hopefully its better than my current DVP642. Could someone clarify film vs. video DVD just so I make sure I'm understanding it correctly? Or just point me in the right direction where I could read about it.

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Neuromancer AVS Special Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Navigating the Black IC Posts: 7,982	I can confirm Component based upconversion and a loss of HDCP compliance, but I do not know what features may or may not be working on this release. YMMV.

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bri1270 AVS Special Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,634	What is YMMV ???

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bri1270 AVS Special Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,634	Thanks guys...

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Stimby Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 415	I've confirmed component up conversion for commercial DVDs too. I haven't tested HDCP yet, as I lack a display to test it with.

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sordof Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 46	How does one use the new hack - for upconversion of commercial dvd thru component? I wouldn't want to screw up my 970.

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DavidHir AVS Special Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,311	I was just going to ask.....any side effects of using this hack?

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Neuromancer AVS Special Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Navigating the Black IC Posts: 7,982	Don't know, hence my YMMV comment. I just popped it in to test the two features of the hacked release, and they seem to work. However, I have not done a full analyzation of the firmware, so who knows if anything is lost when using this firmware release.

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DavidHir AVS Special Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,311	Neural, Please post your results when your analyzation is complete. Even though my CRT RPTV has HDMI (which is fully calibrated), component still looks slightly better (slightly brighter, more natural color and picture) which is why this hack really interests me.

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Stimby Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 415	A couple things, it apparently retains the latest audio fixes of 613A.

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DavidHir AVS Special Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,311	The ISO file can be burned to a CD, right?

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brady239 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 48	If this works without any adverse side effects I'm definatly sold on the 970.