Official SED NEWS & Technology Thread Part 2!

[etype2]

Originally Posted by notreally

Why were they showing Kodak products at CES? Why nothing larger than 27"?
What is the life of the set?

I have read elsewhere,that they have achieved 60000 hours on all three colors which was the holdup.

[notreally]

That is huge news. How many years until prototype in a large form factor?

[notreally]

Originally Posted by etype2

Sony has announced that they will build a plant for OLED production and Harold Stringer,Sony's chairman announced that an OLED set would be available in 2008.

Addionally,OLED is in production now for handheld devices. If OLED gets off the ground first,SED may never launch.

Just read this thread. Maybe we'll hear more at the Sony line show end of next month.

[gus738]

well all in all i hope oled makes it atlest lol cuz i want a better tv then the current pos of lcd/pdp's as i know so far my crt tube is making it ^_^

[VFR]

http://www.digitimes.com/displays/a20070126VL200.html

[navychop]

Excellent article. Thank you for posting it. And posting it so succinctly.

[viper43]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

PDP's are only getting better in your mind. PDP companies keep adding more pixels to fool the unlearned and naive into believing they getting better. Once again, plasma technology has reached its peak, they won't get significantly better than what we have now and that is why its time to move on to new technology.

Auditor,

Currently I have an XBR 36 with marvelous PQ but it is small. I am now looking for a new 60inch hdtv. and would love to see a new technology. My kids are gone and I am willing to spend a few thousand for that new televsiion. I have been in the mood to wait for the new Pioneers but I can be persuaded if the technology and price is right.

So i need FACTS. I see some of you are SED fans, or at least a new technology fans --- and I would realllllly love a new techology tv set.

Please, Please give me facts (or at least a sound speculation -- and labeled that way) on WHEN will a new technology be available and what will it COST for a 60 inch set and how much BETTER will it be.

It is a great deal of fun to talk and banter, etc on this forum -- i love it. But now I have real money I am ready to spend on a real tv -- not a virtual one.

When a person is going to put real money down, you need facts. What goes on here a lot is "where the rubber meets the sky". I need "where the rubber meets the road" suggestions.

I am sure there are a lot of you in the same position, so all the help I can get from you all I will truly appreciate.

thanks

[notreally]

Originally Posted by VFR

http://www.digitimes.com/displays/a20070126VL200.html

Between the lines look for a settlement and license agreement, before court date.

[conan48]

viper43. To answer your questions: NOBODY knows anything about size, price, and how much better it will truly be, and/or when it will be released. Canaon has stated that they are going to focus on the professional market and not the consumer market right know. Your best bet will be the new Pio which is going to arrive this summer. SED is still viperware as of today.

[cajieboy]

Originally Posted by conan48

viper43. To answer your questions: NOBODY knows anything about size, price, and how much better it will truly be, and/or when it will be released. Canaon has stated that they are going to focus on the professional market and not the consumer market right know. Your best bet will be the new Pio which is going to arrive this summer. SED is still viperware as of today.

I think you meant "vaporware" rather than "viperware", but you're right and SED's future is up in the air at this time. Another future video tech that may have an even better chance at succeeding is OLED, which Sony displayed recently at CES in Las Vegas. But again, we're talking "years" not "months" in their development to HT size screens.

Just over the horizon and not too many months down the road is an all-newly developed 60+" Pioneer Plasma display that will produce blacks, color, and contrasts that surpasses even CRT. This would be the one display well worth waiting, and this is NO vaporware BS. One thing though, this Pioneer ain't going to be cheap...at least in the initial release.

[mhafner]

Originally Posted by DBLASS

The contrast numbers are created in a darkroom. As soon as you bring it into the light, the real contrast ratios come into play. Plasmas in the darkroom have fantastic numbers. In the light, not so good. LCDs in the dark have OK numbers but in the light, they remain adequate. A real contrast ratio is White + reflection / Black + reflection. What most people forget to do is to add REFLECTION into the numbers.
DB

Some rooms have (almost) no reflections. Some people don't sabotage their contrast by sitting in white rooms with ambient light. There is nothing less real about contrast in a black room than in a white room. Naturally device contrast are measured in a black room as there is no standard for a reflective room and people can use any room they want anyway.

[Artwood]

What if the walls were in a black and white checkerboard pattern and were glossy and you were burning a bunch of black lights? Isn't that as REAL as it gets?

[lorenzow]

SED is still on life support.

Also Monday, Canon reaffirmed its commitment to go ahead with a new technology in flat TVs called SED and carry out the business on its own, and ditch the partnership with Japanese electronics company Toshiba Corp.

Canon said it will complete the purchase of Toshiba's portion of that partnership by Monday, and will carry out "the earliest possible launch" of a commercial SED panel business.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by notreally

Between the lines look for a settlement and license agreement, before court date.

That is just fantastic news!! You can't stop a good and a great thing.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by conan48

viper43. To answer your questions: NOBODY knows anything about size, price, and how much better it will truly be, and/or when it will be released. Canaon has stated that they are going to focus on the professional market and not the consumer market right know. Your best bet will be the new Pio which is going to arrive this summer. SED is still viperware as of today.

You can pay 20k for an inferior usurping technology like the Pio panel, which will quickly be blown away by new technologies like SED and OLED.

[cajieboy]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

You can pay 20k for an inferior usurping technology like the Pio panel, which will quickly be blown away by new technologies like SED and OLED.

For sure, you can expect to pay primo dinero for being an "early adopter" of the upcoming Pioneer 60" SED Killer Plasma Display, but no one has put a price on it yet. If you follow past plasma tech you know that this primo price will drop rapidly. As for OLED, we're talking several years more of development before we can possibly expect to see HT screen sizes. The SED saga continues, and according to Canon's own press releases, their displays will not be for consumers and will be very low in production numbers as the brakes have put on any new factories. For some, I guess you can say "the dream lives on".

[navychop]

And at least until the court case is settled, whatever SED displays are produced, if any, will remain in Japan due to the licensing restrictions.

[viper43]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

You can pay 20k for an inferior usurping technology like the Pio panel, which will quickly be blown away by new technologies like SED and OLED.

Auditor, what do you mean by quickly.

How soon is "quickly" going to happen?

As I said above, I need facts .... or at the very least, sound guesses.

[hoodlum]

Only 1,000 units per month until at least 2010.

Canon Eyeing Launch of Integrated SED TV Production in 2010

[cajieboy]

Originally Posted by hoodlum

Only 1,000 units per month until at least 2010.

Canon Eyeing Launch of Integrated SED TV Production in 2010

Great link, thanks. Heck, a 1000 units shared between Canon & Toshiba won't even supply a neighborhood in Tokyo, much less outside of Japan.
mass production at the earliest in 2010...expect another delay. Just imagine what successive improved generation Plasma & LCD video tech will be out there by this time, and that's not to mention OLED coming on strong. The "dream" is fading fast...

[bananfish]

Originally Posted by hoodlum

Only 1,000 units per month until at least 2010.

Canon Eyeing Launch of Integrated SED TV Production in 2010

In case you're interested, that 10 billion yen that Canon purchased Toshiba's equity stake for is about 82 million dollars.

[greenland]

Originally Posted by bananfish

In case you're interested, that 10 billion yen that Canon purchased Toshiba's equity stake for is about 82 million dollars.

I would not be too surprised to learn that a fair amount of the price paid, was a settlement to keep Toshiba from suing Canon for Business Malpractice, by misrepresenting how they had a right to let Toshiba participate in the use of the patent in question. Canon walked Toshiba into a mess and a PR debacle, so Toshiba surely must have demanded a pound of flesh.

[Artwood]

Will people post into this thread every day until 2010 about SED?

[viper43]

Originally Posted by Artwood

Will people post into this thread every day until 2010 about SED?

Artwood, you have a good sense of humor --- I needed that.

[rogo]

2010? If that article is true, the dreams of this product reaching the market as a mainstream-ish item are forever dashed.

Oh, and Sony has not announced any plans to make a 27-inch OLED next year. Sir Howard said they could do so, not that they will.

[LL3HD]

I'm going to drive this car to my local B&M when I buy my SED.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/31/c...-here-by-2010/

[greenland]

Originally Posted by Artwood

Will people post into this thread every day until 2010 about SED?

One fellow is dedicated to do so for life, until death doth part him from SED.

Sanity Erasing Delusionol.(SED)

Ask your Canon Spin Doctor if is right for you.

[cajieboy]

Originally Posted by LL3HD

I'm going to drive this car to my local B&M when I buy my SED.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/31/c...-here-by-2010/

Yeah, well you'd better bring extra fuel tanks to dive that baby to the end of the rainbow for that SED pot of gold!

[temeone]

Originally Posted by viper43

Auditor,

Currently I have an XBR 36 with marvelous PQ but it is small. I am now looking for a new 60inch hdtv. and would love to see a new technology. My kids are gone and I am willing to spend a few thousand for that new televsiion. I have been in the mood to wait for the new Pioneers but I can be persuaded if the technology and price is right.

So i need FACTS. I see some of you are SED fans, or at least a new technology fans --- and I would realllllly love a new techology tv set.

Please, Please give me facts (or at least a sound speculation -- and labeled that way) on WHEN will a new technology be available and what will it COST for a 60 inch set and how much BETTER will it be.

It is a great deal of fun to talk and banter, etc on this forum -- i love it. But now I have real money I am ready to spend on a real tv -- not a virtual one.
When a person is going to put real money down, you need facts. What goes on here a lot is "where the rubber meets the sky". I need "where the rubber meets the road" suggestions.

I am sure there are a lot of you in the same position, so all the help I can get from you all I will truly appreciate.

thanks

Buy something now that is within your budget. OLED and SED TVs will not be available in large sizes at a competitive price for some time (years). This new super pioneer 60"+ plasma technology is going to cost an arm and a leg. The 60" 720p pioneer PDP-6070HD still carries an msrp of $6500, while the 50" 1080p Elite plasma monitor rings in at an affordable $8000. Of course these are available for thousands less online, but still.. very expensive.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by temeone

Buy something now that is within your budget. OLED and SED TVs will not be available in large sizes at a competitive price for some time (years). This new super pioneer 60"+ plasma technology is going to cost an arm and a leg. The 60" 720p pioneer PDP-6070HD still carries an msrp of $6500, while the 50" 1080p Elite plasma monitor rings in at an affordable $8000. Of course these are available for thousands less online, but still.. very expensive.

I think you're looking at about 20k grand or more for that new Pio. What a joke, I couldn't imagine spending that much for an outdated, inferior technology.

I can't wait until Pioneer annouces a suggested retail price and when that time comes I'm going to say " I told you so".