2007 Mitsubishi WD-XX73X and XX831 Owner's Thread

[neneloco]

hey all, i just got my 65732 after returning a jvc 61fn97 and sony 60a2000.

i am having some issues on my set.

first off, when i watch regular dvd using components, i see that the images on the screen has a ghosting effect (like when someone turns their face you see a shadow where the face was for a quick second)

it may be the dvd player because when i use my upconvert player via hdmi, i see no such thing.

i also noticed the same a lil while watchign television. i have my sa83000 connected thru hdmi. i will switch to component cables tonight to see and also to me 1080i looked better than 720p on my STB. i have my box set at all resolutions at the moment.

PQ so far is better than JVC but not as good as SONY. i will try some of the suggested tweaks on the other thread but my main concern is that ghosting image i see.

thanks.

[neneloco]

Originally Posted by isbTurbo

At the moment, we don't have HD programming, so all we have is the SD stuff. I have to admit that I'm fairly disappointed, too. Our 10 year old 50" RPTV's PQ is an order of magnitude better that the Mits. Since there is relatively little broadcast HD content (compared to SD), my argument that everything will look better in a couple of years isn't much of a consolation. Why is the SD picture so poor? I didn't see any that were really any better in the store, but I told my wife that it would look better in our house, without being split 40 times. I can't say that it's any better. SD DVD's look okay, but anything coming through DishNetwork looks like crap.

Thanks,
Kevin

these televisions are High def tv's. SD is what it is and varies dependign on source. My SD looks very good. No DLP tv will compare to PQ quality of a RPT.
I had 55 philips RPT then went to sony 60a2000, jvc 61fn97 and finally mits 65732 and PQ was best on CRT, then SONY, then mitsu and jvc.

If all your gonna push through the Mitsu is SD then you will not be satisfied. If you made the change to HD tv, why not make the change to HD programming?

[elb2000]

Originally Posted by neneloco

No DLP tv will compare to PQ quality of a RPT...PQ was best on CRT, then SONY, then mitsu and jvc.

If all your gonna push through the Mitsu is SD then you will not be satisfied. If you made the change to HD tv, why not make the change to HD programming?

I respectfully disagree. My 732 DLP blows away the 55" HD CRT I just sold...not even close.

On the DLP, the geometry is perfect, the picture much brighter, I can view from a wider angle, it accepts and displays 1080p, I can't burn the screen (i.e. no more stretch modes), and there are no convergence issues to deal with.

I do agree that buying a TV like this for SD programming is a waste. I watch as little SD programming as possible, but again, it looks so much better on the DLP set vs. the CRT, I have no issues with it.

[Flyer91]

Originally Posted by isbTurbo

At the moment, we don't have HD programming, so all we have is the SD stuff. I have to admit that I'm fairly disappointed, too. Our 10 year old 50" RPTV's PQ is an order of magnitude better that the Mits. Since there is relatively little broadcast HD content (compared to SD), my argument that everything will look better in a couple of years isn't much of a consolation. Why is the SD picture so poor? I didn't see any that were really any better in the store, but I told my wife that it would look better in our house, without being split 40 times. I can't say that it's any better. SD DVD's look okay, but anything coming through DishNetwork looks like crap.

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin,
try to get in touch with the Dish Network's customer retention department.
Just call their customer service and tell them you are considering going to DirecTv, and want to know what your contract buy out is (if any).
Play it off like you are just trying to find out how much it will cost you do dump them, even if you know you are already beyond the initial contract term.
Tell them you are dissatisfied with the box you have, and that the SD programming looks horrible on your new Mits HDTV.
Then let them upgrade you to a VIP-622 for free, and get them to deal with you on their HD (VOOM) package.
You will be very happy with it's HD programming on the Mits, and in many cases the SD is much better with the 622 than other Sat DVR's (but admittedly still source dependant).
Now is a good time to leverage your HD position with DN, because DTV is touting "a future of 150 HD channels" (they just fail to say when and how much of it will be non-pay per view/non-season ticket etc. and how much will still be from poor SD sources) and that is causing DN to make some fairly decent offers.
Actually they are both (DTV and DN) trying to cut each other's throats right now, making it a good time to negotiate free upgrades, free services for a time and shorter contracts (lest DTV deliver on the "150 HD channel" promise).
Work them until you get yourself into the best sat DVR out there (the ViP-622) with all the VOOM HD content, with as much free time and as short a contract as you feel comfortable with.
HD programming that is produced and/or upconverted 'properly' makes all the difference in the world, and will turn your Mits into the entertainment center you paid for.

[bluntman72]

I have a question about the 65731 dlp, my roomate just purchased it and I was wondering if there is a way to set it to 1080p it shows that it is running in 1080i when we try to adjust the settings. we are currently just using HD DVR from time warner and have no HD-DVD or Blue Ray connected to it so we dont have a 1080p source. thanks for any information or help

[htwaits]

Originally Posted by bluntman72

I have a question about the 65731 dlp, my roomate just purchased it and I was wondering if there is a way to set it to 1080p it shows that it is running in 1080i when we try to adjust the settings. we are currently just using HD DVR from time warner and have no HD-DVD or Blue Ray connected to it so we dont have a 1080p source. thanks for any information or help

You TV converts all inputs to 1080p before it displays them. What you are seeing is input information.

[bluntman72]

Originally Posted by htwaits

You TV converts all inputs to 1080p before it displays them. What you are seeing is input information.

cool thanks for the help

[kdaniel]

I just got the message for the 4th time on my 65-831 and I cannot turn my tv on without the message coming up immediately.
There is now a constant yellow ready light displaying on the led.

The moment I turn the tv on I get the message that my air vents are blocked and the tv will shut down in seconds. The first time it happened I just shut the tv off and back on and that fixed the problem.
Oh how I miss the good old days, now I can't watch it.

Has anyone had this problem and what did Mits do to fix it?

Thank you
Ken

[htwaits]

Originally Posted by bluntman72

cool thanks for the help

You're welcome.

[jking12]

I just received my 57732 and I wanted to look at the lamp hours and mistakenly entered "menu 1+4+7+0" instead of the 2+4+7+0 and the screen displayed the following message: "Widget Alignment Enabled". I did it again and it Disabled the widget alignment.

Does anyone know what this is and should it be enabled or disabled?


Thanks,
Joe

[All4Heels]

I've had my 57831 about two weeks and love it. The only issue I have is with the fan making excessive noise. I remember seeing this discussed earlier in the thread, but now I can't find it. Is there a solution to the fan noise issue or is this something we just have to decide if we can live with?

Update: I just spoke with Tweeter and the tech indicated they should be able to replace the fan. The problem is that a service call cannot be arranged until my 30 day return period has expired. Would I be better off just returning my current unit for another new one instead of risking the chance of the fan replacement not resolving the issue? Are others still having the fan noise issue with the 57831 units? Thanks.

Ron

[rikie]

Originally Posted by jking12

I just received my 57732 and I wanted to look at the lamp hours and mistakenly entered "menu 1+4+7+0" instead of the 2+4+7+0 and the screen displayed the following message: "Widget Alignment Enabled". I did it again and it Disabled the widget alignment.

Does anyone know what this is and should it be enabled or disabled?


Thanks,
Joe

What is it that you did again? Enter 1, 4, 7, 0 again or enter a code again, but this time the correct one?

I don't know what widget means, but i would surely like to know.

[jking12]

Originally Posted by rikie

What is it that you did again? Enter 1, 4, 7, 0 again or enter a code again, but this time the correct one?

I don't know what widget means, but i would surely like to know.

I repeated the steps of pressing "menu + 1 + 4 + 7 + 0" (after exiting from the menu screen). It appears that this toggles the enabling and disabling of the "Widget Alignment".

[skaterdad]

Originally Posted by jking12

I just received my 57732 and I wanted to look at the lamp hours and mistakenly entered "menu 1+4+7+0" instead of the 2+4+7+0 and the screen displayed the following message: "Widget Alignment Enabled". I did it again and it Disabled the widget alignment.

Does anyone know what this is and should it be enabled or disabled?


Thanks,
Joe

I had mine for 3 weeks now, got it from a tweeter store. Some times it seems like watching through onion skin.What bothers me is it is an August build so basically 5 months in a warehouse. Mitsu will not send me the new software version update . Do you know what your build date is . Anyone think I should return it and hopefully the swap out would a more recent production date. Thanks
1470 does activate the widget alignement but I am staying away from it since I have no idea what it does.

[ctsracer]

I have a SA4250HD Cable Box connected via an HDMI cable, with audio set to "HDMI" on the cable box. I connected the Digital Output of the 57831 to my Sony A/V Receiver to the Coaxial input and all I get is PCM audio (2.1, not 5.1) on a channel that is broadcasting Dolby 5.1. Isn't the HDMI 1.0 suppose to pass Dolby Digital 5.1 through to the Coaxial output? A solution is to set the Cable Box output to Dolby Digital with coax connected directly to the A/V receiver. This setup gives me Dolby 5.1, HOWEVER, there is NO SOUND transmited through the HDMI cable any longer. I also tried to connect Right & Left audio from the Cable Box and connect to the HDMI audio input but still no audio from the TV. This is frustrating! I was trying to have an easy setup to mute the TV when there is a Dolby 5.1 program showing with ease. The only method that works has many steps and is a pain.

I also posted this in the XX831 thread

[GungaAV]

What is the Part # of the 180watt bulb for the WD-57831

[bwall23]

Originally Posted by GungaAV

What is the Part # of the 180watt bulb for the WD-57831

Page 99 (app C) of the Owners manual says "915P049020"

[kdaniel]

Here is a link to others having the same problem.
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-4_102-0....D=233474&messa

[bwall23]

Originally Posted by ctsracer

I have a SA4250HD Cable Box connected via an HDMI cable, with audio set to "HDMI" on the cable box. I connected the Digital Output of the 57831 to my Sony A/V Receiver to the Coaxial input and all I get is PCM audio (2.1, not 5.1) on a channel that is broadcasting Dolby 5.1. Isn't the HDMI 1.0 suppose to pass Dolby Digital 5.1 through to the Coaxial output? A solution is to set the Cable Box output to Dolby Digital with coax connected directly to the A/V receiver. This setup gives me Dolby 5.1, HOWEVER, there is NO SOUND transmited through the HDMI cable any longer. I also tried to connect Right & Left audio from the Cable Box and connect to the HDMI audio input but still no audio from the TV. This is frustrating! I was trying to have an easy setup to mute the TV when there is a Dolby 5.1 program showing with ease. The only method that works has many steps and is a pain.

I also posted this in the XX831 thread

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[Podium]

Originally Posted by ctsracer

I have a SA4250HD Cable Box connected via an HDMI cable, with audio set to "HDMI" on the cable box. I connected the Digital Output of the 57831 to my Sony A/V Receiver to the Coaxial input and all I get is PCM audio (2.1, not 5.1) on a channel that is broadcasting Dolby 5.1. Isn't the HDMI 1.0 suppose to pass Dolby Digital 5.1 through to the Coaxial output? A solution is to set the Cable Box output to Dolby Digital with coax connected directly to the A/V receiver. This setup gives me Dolby 5.1, HOWEVER, there is NO SOUND transmited through the HDMI cable any longer. I also tried to connect Right & Left audio from the Cable Box and connect to the HDMI audio input but still no audio from the TV. This is frustrating! I was trying to have an easy setup to mute the TV when there is a Dolby 5.1 program showing with ease. The only method that works has many steps and is a pain.

I also posted this in the XX831 thread

I had the same problem. The HDMI inputs convert all audio to PCM stereo, so the Digital Output sends it to your AVR in that form. Look at the chart contained in Appendix B of your Owner's Manual (pasted below). The ANT-1 and ANT-2 pass Dolby 5.1 out the Digital Output as Dolby 5.1.

HDMI (digital video/audio)
2 HDMI EIA-861B standard for digital audio
and video
HDMI standard connector
Video: 60 Hz: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i
24 Hz, 30 Hz, 60 Hz: 1080p
Audio: PCM stereo (emphasis added)

I'm not familiar with your STB (mine is Cox Motorola 6412 III), but if it has a digital audio out, connect that to your AVR. So the end result will be digital video via HDMI and digital audio (5.1) via direct connection to the AVR. The same configuration should apply to your DVD player if using HDMI. The downside, as you noted, is you have to change inputs on both the TV and the AVR. I got around that by getting a Harmony 676 remote to control all my inputs.

Interestingly enough, my STB has a firewire connection that is live. I tried connecting the firewire to the TV. This configuration passed Dolby 5.1 audio to my AVR, but the Motorola STB doesn't pass the channel guide over firewire. So it essentially turned my STB into a high-priced cablecard equivalent.

[justpassinthru]

Originally Posted by kdaniel

I just got the message for the 4th time on my 65-831 and I cannot turn my tv on without the message coming up immediately.
There is now a constant yellow ready light displaying on the led.

The moment I turn the tv on I get the message that my air vents are blocked and the tv will shut down in seconds. The first time it happened I just shut the tv off and back on and that fixed the problem.
Oh how I miss the good old days, now I can't watch it.

Has anyone had this problem and what did Mits do to fix it?

Thank you
Ken

I had the same problem. Finally after my third call to Mitsuibishi Customer Service they sent out a tech. He initially said my fan was running slow, but then I convinced him otherwise since the 57732 would fail immediately when the set was turned on. He called Mitsuibishi, they told him it was a KNOWN problem and that they would send a replacement part. He came back about a week later and replaced the temperature sensor (looked like a potted Thermistor/Varistor with 2 pin plug). It is located inside the Light Box in the air flow path. I have not had the failure since. There are two temperature sensors one is called the DMD temp sensor and the other is the Lamp Temp sensor. I am not sure which of these were replaced. I was not aware there were two sensors until I looked at the service manual schematics after the tech left. Hope this helps.

[syphon00]

has this happened to anyone?
I have the 57831

few days ago
I was watching a DVD (via HDMI) and a black square box popped up on screen, no error messages or anything...it happened about 3 times...it went away after I hit the menu button or hit EXIT
this happened again when I was playing XBOX(via component)..which led me to believe that it's the TV that's doing it

all this happend after close to 4 months of perfect usage

could this be a defect?

thanks

[rogerssa]

So I'm a new owner of a WD-65731. Few thoughts and a few questions. Been working with the color. I currently have a Insight HD DVR box hooked up though HDMI. Been playing with the colors now for a while Using the settings on this site as a base and then trying to judge. It would appear that Color Temp on High is much better then low. Maybe just me.

Question 1. If I get my AVIA disc back soon can you copy or config one HDMI the same as another easily. IE HDMI 1 is on my DVR HDMI 2 is my DVD so thats how I configure with AVIA.

Question 2. Is there anything I can do to make the DVI from my PC look better? The color seems way way off, but you are really limited to settings? I can use AVIA as much as possible I suppose. I just want to watch HD-DVD though my PC (XBOX Drive) and ahve it look good. Right now I don't feel like the HD content is any good at all due to the color way off.

Thanks.
Shane

[bwall23]

Originally Posted by syphon00

has this happened to anyone?
I have the 57831

few days ago
I was watching a DVD (via HDMI) and a black square box popped up on screen, no error messages or anything...it happened about 3 times...it went away after I hit the menu button or hit EXIT
this happened again when I was playing XBOX(via component)..which led me to believe that it's the TV that's doing it

all this happend after close to 4 months of perfect usage

could this be a defect?

thanks

Same model here for 6 months and I've never seen that.

Could your cable/satellite provider be testing the new Digital Emergency Alert System? It's supposed to flash a black box or blank screen to alert you.

I wonder if the Mits will do that even if you're viewing another input.

[HDTVRookie]

Ok...i've read a few reviews on the 831 model on the internet and it's gotten some high ratings from some websites. I really want to get the 57 inch model. Yet i've been reading lately on this forum and cnet's forum about problems with the air vent on the mitsubishis and it's making me have second thoughts. Are these problems really that widespread or should I just go for it and purchase the 57831 model? Also I had a friend tell me that DLPs aren't true 1080p televisions because of something called wobulation that if i want true hd 1080p I should look at Sony SXRDs....is there any truth to that?

[syphon00]

Originally Posted by bwall23

Same model here for 6 months and I've never seen that.

Could your cable/satellite provider be testing the new Digital Emergency Alert System? It's supposed to flash a black box or blank screen to alert you.

I wonder if the Mits will do that even if you're viewing another input.

hmm that's pretty sketchy, I mean if it was something to do with Alert system
I should have heard the beep sound or at least see like a banner text and it should only happen when I'm on cable

it happened again last night while playing XBOX
may need to call the service tech

[rikie]

Originally Posted by HDTVRookie

Ok...i've read a few reviews on the 831 model on the internet and it's gotten some high ratings from some websites. I really want to get the 57 inch model. Yet i've been reading lately on this forum and cnet's forum about problems with the air vent on the mitsubishis and it's making me have second thoughts. Are these problems really that widespread or should I just go for it and purchase the 57831 model? Also I had a friend tell me that DLPs aren't true 1080p televisions because of something called wobulation that if i want true hd 1080p I should look at Sony SXRDs....is there any truth to that?

I would also like to know how wide spread that problem is. The good news is, is that it is said that it is a known problem by Mits. and feel as though the fix is in place with the ones coming of the production line now. But i have no way of knowing this for sure.

I have a November built WD-65732 and have no issues of any kind with about 600 hours on it as far.

The 57831 IS a true 1080p TV. What is viewed on the screen is indeed 1080p; there is no question about it.

[mattalgrand]

I own a 65831.

I've noticed lately that when white letters are shown against a black screen, the black becomes "lighter."

In other words, I don't see pure white against pure black.

The whiteness of white text or a white image spills over into the black background making it a very light black.

I've also noticed whiteness spill over when watching images from DVDs and Dish.

For example, someone's white shirt will create a spilling over of white into all adjacent surroundings and objects.

It is extremely annoying and quiet honestly ruins the otherwise amazing picture quality of the 65831.

I've only started to see this recently which makes me believe this has occured within the past few weeks.

Could this be due to poor calibration?

As of right now, I have the contrast and brightness both set to 31.

Any ideas on what is occuring or how to fix it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[PARASITE]

its not calibration. I have had my set calibrated by umr and now in the last like four weeks I am seeing the exact same effect. I also notice when i put a 1080p source on the tv the tv washes out really bad.

[Flyer91]

Originally Posted by PARASITE

its not calibration. I have had my set calibrated by umr and now in the last like four weeks I am seeing the exact same effect. I also notice when i put a 1080p source on the tv the tv washes out really bad.

Are these effects due to the 6 color wheel?
I don't see any of this with my 3 color wheel 73831.
Maybe just my aging eyes ...