Official 2007 Mitsubishi WD-xx73X/WD-xx831 Settings & Tweaks Thread

mattalgrand · 03-01-07, 11:28 AM

I own a 65831.

I've noticed lately that when white letters are shown against a black screen, the black becomes "lighter."

In other words, I don't see pure white against pure black.

The whiteness of white text or a white image spills over into the black background making it a very light black.

I've also noticed whiteness spill over when watching images from DVDs and Dish.

For example, someone's white shirt will create a spilling over of white into all adjacent surroundings and objects.

It is extremely annoying and quiet honestly ruins the otherwise amazing picture quality of the 65831.

I've only started to see this recently which makes me believe this has occured within the past few weeks.

Could this be due to poor calibration?

As of right now, I have the contrast and brightness both set to 31.

Any ideas on what is occuring or how to fix it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

jon-w9 · 03-01-07, 03:43 PM

I reported on this as well (a page or 2 back) with my 731. I received no response as to whether or not this is normal.

flashgordon333 · 03-02-07, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jking12

I just picked up a SA 4250HD box for my new 57732 and I don't see a "Pass through" setting in the STB setup screens for picture format. Can you show me where it is.

Also, during the HD setup of the STB (using HDMI), the box tries to determine which formats are supported by the TV and whenever it sends a 720p signal, my 732 shows a blue screen. I currently set my box to "Fixed" and all signals are sent 1080i. I think the picture looks great but I would like to be able compare the 1080i and 720p.

Thanks,
Joe

Joe, I am sorry, I know nothing about that box. I only have the 8300. Sorry. On the 8300 you hit the settings button on the remote twice, then go down to video output, and it is there. I will just post a pic tonight. But I do not know about your box.

flashgordon333 · 03-02-07, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattalgrand

I own a 65831.

I've noticed lately that when white letters are shown against a black screen, the black becomes "lighter."

In other words, I don't see pure white against pure black.

The whiteness of white text or a white image spills over into the black background making it a very light black.

I've also noticed whiteness spill over when watching images from DVDs and Dish.

For example, someone's white shirt will create a spilling over of white into all adjacent surroundings and objects.

It is extremely annoying and quiet honestly ruins the otherwise amazing picture quality of the 65831.

I've only started to see this recently which makes me believe this has occured within the past few weeks.

Could this be due to poor calibration?

As of right now, I have the contrast and brightness both set to 31.

Any ideas on what is occuring or how to fix it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Try it with all of the image "enhancers" set to off, including the deep field imager and sharp edge. Also set video mode to natural. Then report back. That way we have a base line of where your set is. I would think turning off deep field imager would help, as will setting to natural if you have not done so already.

Satansfx · 03-02-07, 01:40 PM

I think i may have a problem with my 65731.... I just had it delivered from Amazon yesterday...

When I setup my STB (sa 8000HD) to use 1080i everthing is crystal clear. But then I go to DVD and watch a movie in 480i and everything is clear... However when I go back to digital cable, the TV resets to 480i standard. I dont get it

Here is a fast diagram of how its hooked up:

STB>>(using DVI/optic)>>Onkyo 674>>>(HDMI)>>>TV

Also, when I first turned the TV on, the "setup" wizzard came up... Yea.... I don't know what I did, but I think I may have exited out of it on accident, and I don't know how to get that back again. I have already tried the 2 different system restarts and I still can't get that screen to come back up

Flyer91 · 03-02-07, 02:57 PM

The TV is actually not changing to 480i, it always upconverts to 1080P, but it reports what the source is, on it's screen.
I suspect that your AVR is the culprit, and once it's on a 480i source (your dvd player) it (for some reason) remains on that as it's output that is sent on to the Mits via it's HDMI.
In any case, the Mits is not switching to 480i, it's just reporting the source is at 480i.
Next time it happens, turn off the AVR, then back on after a 10 or so second wait, and see if it the Mits still see's a 480i source.
If it does then try using the component video/optic from the STB (if possible) to your AVR.

mattalgrand · 03-02-07, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flashgordon333

Try it with all of the image "enhancers" set to off, including the deep field imager and sharp edge. Also set video mode to natural. Then report back. That way we have a base line of where your set is. I would think turning off deep field imager would help, as will setting to natural if you have not done so already.

I already had the image enhancers turned off and video mode set to natural.

Could it be the lamp?

lcaillo · 03-03-07, 09:59 AM

You are seeing the limits of the optics and internal reflections in the system.

mattalgrand · 03-03-07, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcaillo

You are seeing the limits of the optics and internal reflections in the system.

Is this a permanent effect?

bwall23 · 03-03-07, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattalgrand

I own a 65831.

I've noticed lately that when white letters are shown against a black screen, the black becomes "lighter."

In other words, I don't see pure white against pure black.

The whiteness of white text or a white image spills over into the black background making it a very light black.

I've also noticed whiteness spill over when watching images from DVDs and Dish.

For example, someone's white shirt will create a spilling over of white into all adjacent surroundings and objects.

It is extremely annoying and quiet honestly ruins the otherwise amazing picture quality of the 65831.

I've only started to see this recently which makes me believe this has occured within the past few weeks.

Could this be due to poor calibration?

As of right now, I have the contrast and brightness both set to 31.

Any ideas on what is occuring or how to fix it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Have you tried temporarily turning the shutter off?
MENU-2-4-5-3 to get the PIMS service menu and turn the shutter OFF
Go back in the same way to toggle it back ON

flashgordon333 · 03-03-07, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwall23

Have you tried temporarily turning the shutter off?
MENU-2-4-5-3 to get the PIMS service menu and turn the shutter OFF
Go back in the same way to toggle it back ON

That is an advanced but probably helpful idea.

PARASITE · 03-03-07, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcaillo

You are seeing the limits of the optics and internal reflections in the system.

Verified by my tech: The problem is the lenticular and franel screen have come seperated and pushes out which is causing the reflection.

mattalgrand · 03-04-07, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PARASITE

Verified by my tech: The problem is the lenticular and franel screen have come seperated and pushes out which is causing the reflection.

Is this fixable?

mattalgrand · 03-04-07, 12:16 PM

This is weird: it seems that the washed-out picture gradually occurs over a few hours.

When I first turn on the 65831 the picture is perfect.

2, maybe 3, hours later the whites and other bright colors begin to wash out considerably.

justpassinthru · 03-04-07, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PARASITE

Verified by my tech: The problem is the lenticular and franel screen have come seperated and pushes out which is causing the reflection.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattalgrand

Is this fixable?

Matt,

Here are photos of what it is I am seeing on my 57732. Is this similar to what you see?
Mits Aurora 01
Mits Aurora 02
Mits Aurora 03
Mits Aurora 04
Mits Aurora 05

jon-w9 · 03-05-07, 09:09 AM

I notice some of this on my set, but maybe not to that extent.

I did actuactlly see it a lot on the Simpsons last nitght, a yellow halo. I kinda assumed it was mostly from my poor cable feed.

I will check out more tonight and see what happens.

What are your user menu picture settings? Maybe that could shed some light on the topic (no pun intended).

justpassinthru · 03-05-07, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon-w9

I notice some of this on my set, but maybe not to that extent.

I did actuactlly see it a lot on the Simpsons last nitght, a yellow halo. I kinda assumed it was mostly from my poor cable feed.

I will check out more tonight and see what happens.

What are your user menu picture settings? Maybe that could shed some light on the topic (no pun intended).

Picture Mode: Natural
Contrast: 25
Brightness: 23
Color: 24
Tint:30
Sharpness: 20
Color Temp: Low
Perfect Color:

Magenta: 40
Red: 26
Yellow: 26
Green: 32
Cyan: 40
Blue: 41

Deep Field: Off - Have toggled
Sharpness: Off - Have toggled
Video Noise: Low

PARASITE · 03-05-07, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justpassinthru

Matt,

Here are photos of what it is I am seeing on my 57732. Is this similar to what you see?
Mits Aurora 01
Mits Aurora 02
Mits Aurora 03
Mits Aurora 04
Mits Aurora 05

Bingo! that is the exact problem. the lenticular and the franel are held together with clips. if the clips breaks or slips they bow out from one another. which causes a internal reflection. However my tv also has a bad light engine. Will know 100% for sure wednesday what the fix will be. I am relieved to know that if my light engine needs replaced my isf service menu changes are saved in two places, the dmd board and the light engine itself, so my isf calibration is safe.

miltk · 03-05-07, 01:16 PM

All of the PC/PT settings I've read on this thread are for the Low color temperatures. Since I prefer the "cooler" look of the High color temps can anyone give me their calibrated numbers.

From the previous post by lcailio, I have decreased the GBH settings from 1024 to 944 (a decrease of 80 points). Anyone else calibrated using high temperature as the base?

justpassinthru · 03-05-07, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PARASITE

Bingo! that is the exact problem. the lenticular and the franel are held together with clips. if the clips breaks or slips they bow out from one another. which causes a internal reflection. However my tv also has a bad light engine. Will know 100% for sure wednesday what the fix will be. I am relieved to know that if my light engine needs replaced my isf service menu changes are saved in two places, the dmd board and the light engine itself, so my isf calibration is safe.

Well guess I need to make another call to Mitsubishi. This makes me pause however and ask myself if buying a DLP was the right thing to do. I have 3 other HD's. One a 34" CRT and the other two are 17" LCD. There have been no issues with any of them. Whereas the Mits thus far is a constant battle. Right now I am wary about long term stability and reliability. Although a little more costly, I could have lived with a 50" LCD or Plasma. I understand that all technologies have their limitations and quirks, but in 5 years will this set be a total POS??

legierk · 03-05-07, 10:37 PM

Wd-52631

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I just typed for one hour regarding this TV and calibration. Needless to say, I accidently clicked to another page and lost it all. Here's the short version.

Latest software for this TV is 8.02. Here's the instructions on how to update it.

My settings after "interpolating" others' settings with factory settings similar to mine are before/after:

6. GGL 998/915
7. GRL 1024/957
8. GBL 805/915

It is better than it was, but the blues are a little punchy for me (I have seen others refer to this as "smurf like"). I will await more posts on this site to make further adjustments. These setting are with the following user settings...

Picture Mode: Natural

Color Temperature: Low
Brightness: 31
Contrast: 24
Color: 46
Tint: 30
Video Noise: Off
Perfect Color: Factory Defaults

These were made with Avia Tuneup disc and Monster/ISF HDTV Tuneup disc. I set color with the blue filter.

These are across all inputs. I will adjust each separately when a suitable test image is available. I will tune in to INHD this Sunday (I had the URL here but they made me take it out...this is my first post) and use theirs for my HDMI connection. The above posted settings are for DVD (duh).

My next step is to get a SpyderTV colorimeter to do this properly. Anyone in the Virginia Beach area wanna let me borrow theirs?

Which brings me to this...does anyone have the service manual for these TVs they can scan and post for us poor people? Yeah, I can get one on EBay for $7.50, but jeez, someone has it.

I will post more about the update procedure (including how to get the update) if anyone is interested.

mattalgrand · 03-06-07, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justpassinthru

Matt,

Here are photos of what it is I am seeing on my 57732. Is this similar to what you see?
Mits Aurora 01
Mits Aurora 02
Mits Aurora 03
Mits Aurora 04
Mits Aurora 05

That is exactly what I'm seeing. It is so f'in annoying. I can't sit down and enjoy my set anymore.

legierk · 03-06-07, 07:18 AM

Here's a quick consolidation of service menu settings for Low mode I've found in these posts. Excuse the username misspellings, as I just glanced at them. These are all for:

GGL
GRL
GBL

in that order with before/after where available

bwall
990
1024
810

bangup
955
1024
799

pinibo
962
958
1024

sourcery
1009/1020
1024/1050
835/915

wohoo
1024
1006
822

cjayb
1002
1024
800

yamyha
969
1024
790

smeeg
1002/919
1024/957
807/917

rhilden
980/980
1024/1024
851/851

irdriver
950/950
1024/1024
794/824

jonw9
987
1024
805

legierk
998
1024
805

jkohn
/911
/990
/798

I will work out the percentages to these later today using the largest value present as 100% and go from there. If the above users who have actually calibrated their TVs using a colorimeter (or equivalent) will let us know that would help.

The only other question is how is Mits adjusting these from the factory. My guess would be some guy with a screwdriver setting a voltage to a certain point for each color, hence the differences we are seeing. Needless to say, I am a novice and am guessing here.

legierk · 03-06-07, 07:23 AM

I typed rhilden's wrong.

corrected
980/911
1024/990
851/798

jon-w9 · 03-06-07, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PARASITE

However my tv also has a bad light engine. Will know 100% for sure wednesday what the fix will be. I am relieved to know that if my light engine needs replaced my isf service menu changes are saved in two places, the dmd board and the light engine itself, so my isf calibration is safe.

I also had the light engine replaced. Are you operating on the assumption that all light engines are the same, therefore your calibrations are the same?

When mine was replaced, the guy didn't do anything in the service menu, and actually, I am kind of relieved he did not (I wasn't sure if he know what he was doing)!

If you are being told that readjustment is not necessary, than that is good.

jon-w9 · 03-06-07, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legierk

Here's a quick consolidation of service menu settings for Low mode I've found in these posts. Excuse the username misspellings, as I just glanced at them. These are all for:

GGL
GRL
GBL

in that order with before/after where available

bwall
990
1024
810

bangup
955
1024
799

pinibo
962
958
1024

sourcery
1009/1020
1024/1050
835/915

wohoo
1024
1006
822

cjayb
1002
1024
800

yamyha
969
1024
790

smeeg
1002/919
1024/957
807/917

rhilden
980/980
1024/1024
851/851

irdriver
950/950
1024/1024
794/824

jonw9
987
1024
805

legierk
998
1024
805

jkohn
/911
/990
/798

I will work out the percentages to these later today using the largest value present as 100% and go from there. If the above users who have actually calibrated their TVs using a colorimeter (or equivalent) will let us know that would help.

The only other question is how is Mits adjusting these from the factory. My guess would be some guy with a screwdriver setting a voltage to a certain point for each color, hence the differences we are seeing. Needless to say, I am a novice and am guessing here.

Thanks for the work, at least the GRL looks consistent at 1024. One thing I am wondering is if the model makes a difference. I can imagine that it could, and I can think it would not, since the electronics are essentially the same.

Any other thoughts on this?

justpassinthru · 03-06-07, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattalgrand

That is exactly what I'm seeing. It is so f'in annoying. I can't sit down and enjoy my set anymore.

Service is coming out tomorrow to check my set out. Mits customer service first tried to tell me that this condition was "normal" because of the "high" (read HD ) signals the TV is capable of displaying. That was their position until I called BS. The rep had no technical knowledge what so ever and continually put me on hold while she went to confer with someone else. I will post after the tech shows up tomorrow.

PARASITE · 03-06-07, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon-w9

I also had the light engine replaced. Are you operating on the assumption that all light engines are the same, therefore your calibrations are the same?

When mine was replaced, the guy didn't do anything in the service menu, and actually, I am kind of relieved he did not (I wasn't sure if he know what he was doing)!

If you are being told that readjustment is not necessary, than that is good.

yah my tech is here in the store I work at and he has been fixing mits for 20yrs. He said the service settings are saved in two places the dmd board and the light engine itself has a chip that backs up the dmd board. He said my isf calibration should not be afftected.

PARASITE · 03-06-07, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon-w9

Thanks for the work, at least the GRL looks consistent at 1024. One thing I am wondering is if the model makes a difference. I can imagine that it could, and I can think it would not, since the electronics are essentially the same.

Any other thoughts on this?

sourcery's settins are very and I mean very close to what jeff has on mine.

legierk · 03-06-07, 08:26 PM

OK. So I messed with my SM settings again. I went back and used sourcery's calibrated settings as a baseline. My calculations are as follows:

GGL = 1020 (sourcery calibrated) / 1009 (sourcery factory) = 1.01 x 998 (my factory) = 1008

GRL = 1050 / 1024 = 1.025 x 1024 = 1050

GBL = 915 / 835 = 1.095 x 805 = 882

I adjusted the Perfectcolor to his settings also although I'm not sure this is needed. Then I use my SMPTE color bars to set color via DVD.

Not bad, but really punchy and bright. I found myself squinting watching American Idol. Colors a very accurate though.

This all may be an exercise in futility, but it is fun. What we need are more folks that have had calibrations with before and after numbers so we can compile some data and get some trends set like Icaillo has suggested.

...or we could all go out and get ISF calibrations....

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mattalgrand Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 83	I own a 65831. I've noticed lately that when white letters are shown against a black screen, the black becomes "lighter." In other words, I don't see pure white against pure black. The whiteness of white text or a white image spills over into the black background making it a very light black. I've also noticed whiteness spill over when watching images from DVDs and Dish. For example, someone's white shirt will create a spilling over of white into all adjacent surroundings and objects. It is extremely annoying and quiet honestly ruins the otherwise amazing picture quality of the 65831. I've only started to see this recently which makes me believe this has occured within the past few weeks. Could this be due to poor calibration? As of right now, I have the contrast and brightness both set to 31. Any ideas on what is occuring or how to fix it? Any help would be greatly appreciated. __________________ More content (COUGH) does not equal better content. Better movies (COUGH) equal better content. Awesome PQ/AQ are just bonuses.

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Satansfx Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 435	uh oh I think i may have a problem with my 65731.... I just had it delivered from Amazon yesterday... When I setup my STB (sa 8000HD) to use 1080i everthing is crystal clear. But then I go to DVD and watch a movie in 480i and everything is clear... However when I go back to digital cable, the TV resets to 480i standard. I dont get it Here is a fast diagram of how its hooked up: STB>>(using DVI/optic)>>Onkyo 674>>>(HDMI)>>>TV Also, when I first turned the TV on, the "setup" wizzard came up... Yea.... I don't know what I did, but I think I may have exited out of it on accident, and I don't know how to get that back again. I have already tried the 2 different system restarts and I still can't get that screen to come back up

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lcaillo AV Tech Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 3,297	You are seeing the limits of the optics and internal reflections in the system. __________________ Yes, calibration is important...every user should be calibrated.

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mattalgrand Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 83	This is weird: it seems that the washed-out picture gradually occurs over a few hours. When I first turn on the 65831 the picture is perfect. 2, maybe 3, hours later the whites and other bright colors begin to wash out considerably. __________________ More content (COUGH) does not equal better content. Better movies (COUGH) equal better content. Awesome PQ/AQ are just bonuses.

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miltk Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 26	PerfectColor/PerferctTint settings for high color temps All of the PC/PT settings I've read on this thread are for the Low color temperatures. Since I prefer the "cooler" look of the High color temps can anyone give me their calibrated numbers. From the previous post by lcailio, I have decreased the GBH settings from 1024 to 944 (a decrease of 80 points). Anyone else calibrated using high temperature as the base?

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jon-w9 Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 61	I reported on this as well (a page or 2 back) with my 731. I received no response as to whether or not this is normal.

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Flyer91 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 80	The TV is actually not changing to 480i, it always upconverts to 1080P, but it reports what the source is, on it's screen. I suspect that your AVR is the culprit, and once it's on a 480i source (your dvd player) it (for some reason) remains on that as it's output that is sent on to the Mits via it's HDMI. In any case, the Mits is not switching to 480i, it's just reporting the source is at 480i. Next time it happens, turn off the AVR, then back on after a 10 or so second wait, and see if it the Mits still see's a 480i source. If it does then try using the component video/optic from the STB (if possible) to your AVR.

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jon-w9 Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 61	I notice some of this on my set, but maybe not to that extent. I did actuactlly see it a lot on the Simpsons last nitght, a yellow halo. I kinda assumed it was mostly from my poor cable feed. I will check out more tonight and see what happens. What are your user menu picture settings? Maybe that could shed some light on the topic (no pun intended).

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legierk Advanced Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 583	Consolidation of Service Menu Settings Here's a quick consolidation of service menu settings for Low mode I've found in these posts. Excuse the username misspellings, as I just glanced at them. These are all for: GGL GRL GBL in that order with before/after where available bwall 990 1024 810 bangup 955 1024 799 pinibo 962 958 1024 sourcery 1009/1020 1024/1050 835/915 wohoo 1024 1006 822 cjayb 1002 1024 800 yamyha 969 1024 790 smeeg 1002/919 1024/957 807/917 rhilden 980/980 1024/1024 851/851 irdriver 950/950 1024/1024 794/824 jonw9 987 1024 805 legierk 998 1024 805 jkohn /911 /990 /798 I will work out the percentages to these later today using the largest value present as 100% and go from there. If the above users who have actually calibrated their TVs using a colorimeter (or equivalent) will let us know that would help. The only other question is how is Mits adjusting these from the factory. My guess would be some guy with a screwdriver setting a voltage to a certain point for each color, hence the differences we are seeing. Needless to say, I am a novice and am guessing here.

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legierk Advanced Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 583	I typed rhilden's wrong. corrected 980/911 1024/990 851/798

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legierk Advanced Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 583	OK. So I messed with my SM settings again. I went back and used sourcery's calibrated settings as a baseline. My calculations are as follows: GGL = 1020 (sourcery calibrated) / 1009 (sourcery factory) = 1.01 x 998 (my factory) = 1008 GRL = 1050 / 1024 = 1.025 x 1024 = 1050 GBL = 915 / 835 = 1.095 x 805 = 882 I adjusted the Perfectcolor to his settings also although I'm not sure this is needed. Then I use my SMPTE color bars to set color via DVD. Not bad, but really punchy and bright. I found myself squinting watching American Idol. Colors a very accurate though. This all may be an exercise in futility, but it is fun. What we need are more folks that have had calibrations with before and after numbers so we can compile some data and get some trends set like Icaillo has suggested. ...or we could all go out and get ISF calibrations....