**WARNING** DTS Masters bitstreamed to Yamaha, Onkyo or Integra can damage speakers!!

[Mihalis0013]

Originally Posted by laugsbach

Yes it will...

Originally Posted by jasonvr

The 7100 (Home theater system) will not have the problem. It contains a 606 which is a model from this year and already has the fix within it.

Thank you very much for the replies.

I think i can go ahead and order the 7100 without losing sleep now

Mihalis

[RENN]

Originally Posted by krisjan

You got bad information from Onkyo. Your 605 will indeed need a DSP update (not a FW update) to avoid the DTS bomb. I got my 605 around that same time and I needed to update the DSP on it. To be fair to Onkyo, there was also a FW update for the 605 a short time after it was originally manufactured. Your unit (and mine) already had been updated at the factory. But that is different from the DSP update for the DTS bomb. Check out this thread to get it done.

Thanks for the info krisjan. Is there a specific version that the main firmware needs to be at or can I just do the DSP update only without having to do the main firmware update?

[ndabunka]

OK, I have read through the multitude of Yammy posts and see that there is a patch but can't find ANY information on my model (a RX-V2400). Now, this unit may be immune strictly due to the inputs on the rear of the unit (I use either S/PDIF or analog depending on source from my HTPC). Since there are no HDMI inputs on this unit, I expect that there is also no possibility of "bitstreaming capabilities on it either, right? but iI do know for a fact that it can handle audio sampling at the higher DTS-MA rates/levels. Do I need a Yammy patch and if so, where do I get it? Is there a link in this thread somewhere that I may have missed?

In reviewing other DTS-MA threads, I see that DTS-MA should still be available for analog inputs. If so, then it appears that this receiver may still be "at risk" without any type of patch. This receiver does have a serial interface that I already leverage for system controls via Cinemar so I assume that I should be able to also use it for any patch.

[thehun]

Originally Posted by RENN

Thanks for the info krisjan. Is there a specific version that the main firmware needs to be at or can I just do the DSP update only without having to do the main firmware update?

The DSP can be updated without the FW update.

[RENN]

Originally Posted by thehun

The DSP can be updated without the FW update.

Originally Posted by krisjan

You got bad information from Onkyo. Your 605 will indeed need a DSP update (not a FW update) to avoid the DTS bomb. I got my 605 around that same time and I needed to update the DSP on it. To be fair to Onkyo, there was also a FW update for the 605 a short time after it was originally manufactured. Your unit (and mine) already had been updated at the factory. But that is different from the DSP update for the DTS bomb. Check out this thread to get it done.

Thanks both for you info. Just to let you know I burn the DSP update using Nero and I hooked up my PS2 via optical cable to my SR605. Queued up the track and pressed play according to the instructions. Worked flawlessly with the PS2 I just had to make sure that "optical" was turned on in the PS2's setting. Only bummer is that I have to redo all my setting. Good thing I read somewhere here to write them down. Actually I took pictures with my camera to make it easier. Now all that’s left is to update the Firmware for my Panasonic BD-30. Thank you all once again.

[krisjan]

Originally Posted by RENN

Thanks both for you info. Just to let you know I burn the DSP update using Nero and I hooked up my PS2 via optical cable to my SR605. Queued up the track and pressed play according to the instructions. Worked flawlessly with the PS2 I just had to make sure that "optical" was turned on in the PS2's setting. Only bummer is that I have to redo all my setting. Good thing I read somewhere here to write them down. Actually I took pictures with my camera to make it easier. Now all that’s left is to update the Firmware for my Panasonic BD-30. Thank you all once again.

Nice job, RENN. Enjoy.

[Fatman513]

I called Integra yesterday to ask them about the DTS-MA "bomb". To my surprise the tech lady knew about it (and AVS Forums). She looked up the serial number of my DTC 9.8 and said that I did need the updated firmware to fix the problem, and that she'd send me the disc. She told me their preferred way of performing the update was with a CD player using the optical output.

Has anyone received said disc from Integra and has it fixed the problem? I will be buying the Panasonic BD35 when it's released at the end of the month and I really don't feel like experiencing the "bomb".

[Tony Costanza]

Originally Posted by Fatman513

I called Integra yesterday to ask them about the DTS-MA "bomb". To my surprise the tech lady knew about it (and AVS Forums). She looked up the serial number of my DTC 9.8 and said that I did need the updated firmware to fix the problem, and that she'd send me the disc. She told me their preferred way of performing the update was with a CD player using the optical output.

Has anyone received said disc from Integra and has it fixed the problem? I will be buying the Panasonic BD35 when it's released at the end of the month and I really don't feel like experiencing the "bomb".

I received my disc from Integra. I used an old CD player hooked thru an optical port and it worked flawlessly. Printed instructions come with the disc. BTW I have the 9.8 and it is fantastic.

Good Luck
Tony

[Fatman513]

Thanks. Good to hear cuz I can't wait until the 25th of the month when the 35 will be in stock.

[ndabunka]

Originally Posted by ndabunka

OK, I have read through the multitude of Yammy posts and see that there is a patch but can't find ANY information on my model (a RX-V2400). Now, this unit may be immune strictly due to the inputs on the rear of the unit (I use either S/PDIF or analog depending on source from my HTPC). Since there are no HDMI inputs on this unit, I expect that there is also no possibility of "bitstreaming capabilities on it either, right? but iI do know for a fact that it can handle audio sampling at the higher DTS-MA rates/levels. Do I need a Yammy patch and if so, where do I get it? Is there a link in this thread somewhere that I may have missed?

In reviewing other DTS-MA threads, I see that DTS-MA should still be available for analog inputs. If so, then it appears that this receiver may still be "at risk" without any type of patch. This receiver does have a serial interface that I already leverage for system controls via Cinemar so I assume that I should be able to also use it for any patch.

So, nobody with any guidance on the Yammys?

[szankal]

Hi, I am new to the forum.

I have a potentially serious issue with my gear.

I got a Denon 1909 AVR, Panasonic BD 30 BR Player, BW 600 series speakers.
All brand new. A few days ago I finally got my first BR disc: Live Free or Die Hard. I watcehd the movie for 5 minutes and had to stopped to go to work. When I got home and re-started the movie my sub woofer was not turning on. I tried a few things: nothing. Today I returned it to my local shop and they (after a bit of scratching their head) gave me another sub woofer.

I got home and re-started the movie, After the first few minutes of watching the same disc this sub stopped functioning as well (it would not turn on, just stay on "stand by").

I am really disappointed as after 10 years of waiting I finally got a nice setup and now it seems there is a bug.

Did someone experience the same with this movie or set-up?

Many thanks in advance for any help.

Laz

[timmyotule]

Try flipping your sub switch to 'On' instead of 'Auto' if you have the option. Your AVR may not be sending a strong enough signal for the switch on when it is in the auto setting.

[voyager6]

Originally Posted by ndabunka

So, nobody with any guidance on the Yammys?

Your receiver is not affected. DTS HD-MA bomb is when a receiver that can receive the bitstream digitally via HDMI hits a code combination that causes the bomb.

Your receiver is not processing DTS HD-MA via the analog inputs. It is just processing analog from your player. The two or three players that are out that can convert DTS HD-MA to multi channel analog have not been reported to have the bug, and if they did, the firmware update would be required for the player, not the receiver.

DTS HD-MA cannot be transmitted over optical or digital coax. There is insufficient bandwidth on those interfaces. If you select a DTS HD MA track on Blu-Ray and connect via optical or coax, you are getting only the DTS core, not the full lossless HD MA.

You have nothing to worry about.

[szankal]

I tried that already. No use.
No even the stand-by light would not come on.
I am really devastated....

[Nordo]

Originally Posted by szankal

I tried that already. No use.
No even the stand-by light would not come on.
I am really devastated....

First check through the Denon's menu. Carefully check through all items. Make sure that sub is set to On. Also that it is available to all formats.

Check that the sub is connected to the sub pre-out. I am not familar with the Denons, but most receivers have two sub outlets - one for a powered sub, and one for a non-powered sub.

Run through the speaker levels (in the menu), and make sure the sub emits sound. Here you can alter it's level as well. You may have to turn it up with the level trim.

I'm not familiar with the Panasonic player, but there may be settings in there that need to be adjusted.

Borrow or rent another BD disc and see if the same problem occurs. It sounds like the intro (probably just Dolby) has the LFEs (Low Frequency Effects) going to the sub, but the
LFEs in the high definition format is not.

Don't give up. I'm certain it is just a simple setup problem. I would ask the same question in the 1909 forum (there must be a special thread just for the 1909), and also in the Panasonic BD30 forum.

Good luck.

Oh, once you get it all up and running (and you will), don't forget to run Audyssey. Amazing free tuning program in your Denon that will make the whole system really come alive. When using Audyssey, follow these directions carefully to get the best out of it.

[szankal]

Dear Nordo/All

I do apologize for the lack of clarity.

I did all the set-up and used the system for about 3 weeks without any problems. The issue with the sub started once I put in the first Blu Ray disc and played it. Now when I try to use the system with music CD, Cable or DVD the sub would not even turn on anymore.

Given that this happened in a few days with two subs using the same BR disc I can not help but think that it is the disc - BTW it is from Blockbuster.

I talked to my store yesterday and they had 2 B&W subs with issues in the last 10 years.
I will try the 1909 forum as well.
Thanks
Laz

[Dick Laurent]

Originally Posted by RENN

Thanks both for you info. Just to let you know I burn the DSP update using Nero and I hooked up my PS2 via optical cable to my SR605. Queued up the track and pressed play according to the instructions. Worked flawlessly with the PS2 I just had to make sure that "optical" was turned on in the PS2's setting. Only bummer is that I have to redo all my setting. Good thing I read somewhere here to write them down. Actually I took pictures with my camera to make it easier. Now all that’s left is to update the Firmware for my Panasonic BD-30. Thank you all once again.

I wish I was as lucky as you. I've tried a 10 yr-old Pioneer CD player, Oppo, XA2, and a PS2 as you described. No luck at all. I've followed all of the instructions and have played with every possible setting. I burned the file with Nero, Burrrn, Burn 4 Free, and HP. Still, nothing works. It boggles my mind that two people with the exact same equipment get seperate results. There has to be something I'm missing...

[Dick Laurent]

Originally Posted by Dick Laurent

I wish I was as lucky as you. I've tried a 10 yr-old Pioneer CD player, Oppo, XA2, and a PS2 as you described. No luck at all. I've followed all of the instructions and have played with every possible setting. I burned the file with Nero, Burrrn, Burn 4 Free, and HP. Still, nothing works. It boggles my mind that two people with the exact same equipment get seperate results. There has to be something I'm missing...

Oooppsss... I'm a complete idiot. I was putting my optical in the "CD" slot in the back of my 605, not realizing that was not "Opt 1." I just did it again with the optical in the "Game/TV" slot, and it worked flawlessly with my PS2. First time, no less.

So MAKE SURE that you are putting the optical cable in the right slot! My 605 is not named according to common sense... You would think (or I thought) the cable would have to be in the CD slot to work.

I'm so happy now that it worked, I guess I'll get over being stupid very soon.

[cjr1]

Has this issue been resolved completely by the firmware updates available? I have a Yamaha 3800 and I updated the firmware in April that was supposed to fix the issue, however I have noticed people are still talking about this. I recently got a Panny 35 and want to try some Bitstream vs PCM, but I am little leery. Just curious.

[Capn Trips]

As I read this thread I have concluded that I am incapable of reading EVERY post of the more than 2000, so I'll just ask. It seems that this "POP" phenomenon has been seen on the Onkyo 605, 705, 805 and related Integra family of receivers, and is correctable by FW and/or DTS upgrade. Is the problem present in the new 606, 706, 806, 876, 906 series? Or are they shipping with whatever "fix" designed in from the start?

[sourbeef]

OK here is what I have come up with reading through tons of threads. I have a Onkyo 705 receiver. I checked it, unfortunately it is vulnerable to the DTS bomb. I just got a Panasonic BD-35 bluray player. This unit decodes everything. Including Dolby True HD and DTS-MA. I can simply set the bluray player to send PCM, via HDMI to the receiver, and avoid the DTS-bomb problem. I don't lose anything in sound quality, still get the full range of audio off of the bluray and SD DVDs, still get the lossless stream. Do any of you in the know agree with this assessment? Is my thinking sound on all of this?

PS...I played a bluray disc, Hairspray, using PCM. The bluray player indicated, in the menu, that it was decoding DTS-MA. I think I am good, but I want to be sure. Thanks folks.

[teachsac]

Originally Posted by Capn Trips

As I read this thread I have concluded that I am incapable of reading EVERY post of the more than 2000, so I'll just ask. It seems that this "POP" phenomenon has been seen on the Onkyo 605, 705, 805 and related Integra family of receivers, and is correctable by FW and/or DTS upgrade. Is the problem present in the new 606, 706, 806, 876, 906 series? Or are they shipping with whatever "fix" designed in from the start?

xx6 series doesn't suffer from this as far as anything I've seen or heard.

S~

[jasonvr]

Originally Posted by sourbeef

OK here is what I have come up with reading through tons of threads. I have a Onkyo 705 receiver. I checked it, unfortunately it is vulnerable to the DTS bomb. I just got a Panasonic BD-35 bluray player. This unit decodes everything. Including Dolby True HD and DTS-MA. I can simply set the bluray player to send PCM, via HDMI to the receiver, and avoid the DTS-bomb problem. I don't lose anything in sound quality, still get the full range of audio off of the bluray and SD DVDs, still get the lossless stream. Do any of you in the know agree with this assessment? Is my thinking sound on all of this?

PS...I played a bluray disc, Hairspray, using PCM. The bluray player indicated, in the menu, that it was decoding DTS-MA. I think I am good, but I want to be sure. Thanks folks.

Yes, as long as your BD player is decoding you are not succeptible. You could also just update the DSPs in your 705 and enjoy the extra little lights on the 705 as you bitstream from your BD player.

[Randy Mathis]

Originally Posted by szankal

Dear Nordo/All

I do apologize for the lack of clarity.

I did all the set-up and used the system for about 3 weeks without any problems. The issue with the sub started once I put in the first Blu Ray disc and played it. Now when I try to use the system with music CD, Cable or DVD the sub would not even turn on anymore.

Given that this happened in a few days with two subs using the same BR disc I can not help but think that it is the disc - BTW it is from Blockbuster.

I talked to my store yesterday and they had 2 B&W subs with issues in the last 10 years.
I will try the 1909 forum as well.
Thanks
Laz

You may have a blown fuse in your sub's amp. It has happened to me.

[Nordo]

Originally Posted by Randy Mathis

You may have a blown fuse in your sub's amp. It has happened to me.

Hey szankal
Don't forget to let us all know what the problem is once you solve it.

[sourbeef]

Originally Posted by jasonvr

Yes, as long as your BD player is decoding you are not succeptible. You could also just update the DSPs in your 705 and enjoy the extra little lights on the 705 as you bitstream from your BD player.

If I was more sure of myself with all this, I would try to update the 705. But for now, I will leave it alone. Thanks for your response.

[frank1940]

Originally Posted by sourbeef

If I was more sure of myself with all this, I would try to update the 705. But for now, I will leave it alone. Thanks for your response.

Updating the DPS is the most bulletproof procedure in the Onkyo world. Hundreds of people have done it without a single reported 'bricked' unit. The data is contained in a wav file that is burned as an audio file. Since The CD spec allows for errors in the digital stream of a audio CD (and it will still play!), the data that is received by your Onkyo receiver is checked by performing a mathematical calculation to verify that is correct. It is only transferred to the DSP memory AFTER the data has been verified. If verification fails, the DSP memory is not updated.

The only issue is that you will lose all of your settings and any customization that you have made. So be sure that you write them down before you start.

PS --- If you listen to the audio CD after you make it, it sounds like noise as it is not 'music' or 'sound' but the digital programing information required to update the DSP.

[szankal]

Originally Posted by Nordo

Hey szankal
Don't forget to let us all know what the problem is once you solve it.

I am working with B&W and my shop to reslove the issue.
It looks like something they have seen before but not frequently.
Not 100% sure yet what exactly is the problem and what actually caused it.

Will let you know as soon as I know.
Thanks for the helpful posts.
Laz

[Nordo]

Originally Posted by szankal

I am working with B&W and my shop to reslove the issue.
It looks like something they have seen before but not frequently.
Not 100% sure yet what exactly is the problem and what actually caused it.

Will let you know as soon as I know.
Thanks for the helpful posts.
Laz

At least they're happy to look at it for you. Some dealers are real "box droppers".

[tlbauerle]

Hey all...

Just for the record, I wanted to let people know this issue occurs with the Onkyo HT-R410 using a Sony BDP-350S & Optical connection.

I'm calling Onkyo regarding this, but I'm sure the issue is the age of the receiver and no fixes exist. I'll have to settle for Dolby until I upgrade.

The pop between title transitions isn't too loud, but of course I've been watching late at night so I haven't blasted the sound.