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Film Reference and Analysis
The Film Has Already Been Made - Reproduce it As far as this thread goes it does not matter if the film has grain or has a soft look or has a dark and stylistic look which would normally see such films being given low marks by those who want eye candy but what matters is that the film has not suffered excessive DNR or excessive EE or other such issues related to film transfers. You will find eye candy titles here but you will also find many great films which have been under appreciated because of the cinematography choices made at the time of filming. If you think a film should be on this list then nominate it. All nominations are welcome from everyone and you can also negative or critique any film on this list and give your reason why a film either deserves to be here or should not be here. Films will either go straight onto the minor/medium/major issues list or be placed on the nomination/digital camera list. Two nominations are required for a place on the main list and three negatives will see a film removed from the list or placed on the minor issues list.
For Smaller Screen Owners - Recommended Viewing Distance Relating to Your Screen Size Screen Size >>>>>>>>720p >>>>>>>>> 1080p 32 inches >>>>>>>>> 6 feet >>>>>>>> 4 feet 37 inches >>>>>>>>> 7 feet >>>>>>>> 5 feet 40 inches >>>>>>>>> 8 feet >>>>>>>> 5 feet 42 inches >>>>>>>>> 8 feet >>>>>>>> 5.5 feet 46 inches >>>>>>>>> 9 feet >>>>>>>> 6 feet 50 inches >>>>>>>> 10 feet >>>>>>>> 6.5 feet 52 inches >>>>>>>> 10 feet >>>>>>>> 7 feet 65 inches >>>>>>>> 13 feet >>>>>>>> 8.5 feet Additional Viewing Distance Chart Help The Official EE/DNR Thread Digital Noise Reduction Information ( DNR ) Check out Xylon's screenshot threads too - Very informative The Reference List - Highly Recommended Blu Ray Releases These films are considered to closely reproduce the look of the original film A Clockwork Orange *softer film look with grain present in darker scenes Across The Universe Aeon Flux A Passage To India *Grain structure intact *Film like image Babel Batman Begins* ----------------------1 negative for filtered undetailed look Beneath The Planet Of The Apes Big Fish *Fine to medium grain throughout running time in this film like presentation *No ringing or halo's noted Big Trouble In Little China *Grain structure intact *Razor sharp detailed image *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Black Book Black Narcissus *Grain structure intact *Fabulous color photography *Detailed and film like presentation Black Snake Moan Blade Runner - Theatrical, Directors Cut and the International Theatrical Cut Blades Of Glory Blazing Saddles Body Heat *Film like detailed image *Shot film noir with a deliberate soft lensed look Body Of Lies *Fine detailed film like transfer *Grain structure intact Bonnie and Clyde Braveheart *Very film like and extremely detailed image *One of the best releases on the Blu Ray format *Grain structure intact *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Bullitt *Film like image *Retains it's cinematic look Burn After Reading *Film like image *Grain structure intact *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid *Grain structure intact *Shot with a softer focus which some have mistaken for DNR *Pleasing film like image but could do with restoration work on the print Casino Royale *Director approved release with moderate grain structure *Detailed and pleasing film like image Cast Away Children Of Men - German Edition Chungking Express *Grain structure intact *Detailed film like presentation *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger CJ7 Close Encounters Of The Third Kind *Grain structure is intact *Pleasing film like presentation Crash *Grain structure intact *Softer lensed look believed to be intentional Curse Of The Golden Flower Day Watch Deja Vu Die Hard Die Hard With A Vengeance Dirty Harry *Film grain structure intact *Detailed film like image Dog Day Afternoon Domino Doomsday *Detailed film like image *Grain structure intact *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Dreamgirls Eagle Eye *Film grain structure retained *Stylistic look to the movie *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Enchanted Escape From The Planet Of The Apes Fantastic Four: Rise Of The Silver Surfer Fearless *Directors cut of movie retains it's film look *Grain structure intact *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Forgetting Sarah Marshall* ---------- 1 negative for overcompression, smearing and blocking Franklyn *Fine film grain structure intact *Beautiful looking film *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Gandhi Ghostbusters *Cinematographer approved transfer *Retains grain structure for detailed cinematic image *Contrast boosting in some scenes may not be approved by all Ghost Town *Natural film like image *Film grain structure intact *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Gone Baby Gone Good Night, and Good Luck Hancock Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban Heathers *Grain intact *Good catalogue title Hellboy - Directors Cut *Light grain structure intact *Highly detailed film like image *Fabulous colors and contrast range Hellboy II - The Golden Army Hitman Hollow Man *Gorgeous film like image quality *Grain structure intact *Hollow Man Review How The West Was Won *Shot in 70mm Cinerama format *Highly detailed image with great depth of field *Just a tiny hint of edge enhancement *Colors are strong and bold *Screencaps of How The West Was Won Hustle & Flow Identity Independence Day Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Interview With The Vampire *Film look maintained *Stylistic film photography with a sometimes softer look to the image *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Into The Blue *Fabulous crystal clear image *Very light grain structure Iron Man *Film grain intact and a highly detailed image *Xylons Picture Comparison Thread *Iron Man Review I Robot JFK Juno Kingdom Of Heaven *Grain structure intact *Pleasing film like image *Gorgeous cinematography Knocked Up La Femme Nikita *Grain structure intact *Beautiful example of film photography *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Layer Cake Let The Right One In Live Free Or Die Hard Lord Of War Mad Max 2 - The Road Warrior *Medium to sometimes heavy grain structure is intact *Retains it's film look Manhunter *Natural grain structure intact *Great looking eighties film *Retains the film look Man On Fire Master and Commander - The Far Side Of The World Memento Men In Black* ---------- 2 negatives for a digital processed look with EE Mission Impossible III Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist Night Of The Living Dead - ( 1968 version - B/W ) Night Watch No Country For Old Men No Reservations Ocean's 11 Ocean's 12 Ocean's 13 Pan's Labyrinth - French/German/UK Release *Detailed film like image *Grain structure intact Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest *Very light grain structure is intact *Highly detailed film like image Pirates Of The Caribbean - At World's End *Very light grain structure is intact *Highly detailed film like image Pitch Black *Grain structure intact *Has a stylistic look to it which is intentional *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Planet Of The Apes Point Break Poltergeist *Grain structure intact *Detailed and film like look *Poltergeist Review Predator *Film grain is intact some of it is heavy due to zooming in on scenes post production *Retains it's filmed look Punisher: War Zone Quantum Of Solace *Film grain intact *Detailed film like image Raging Bull *Fine grain and film like image *Fantastic black and white photography *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Rambo *Grain structure is intact *Film like image with bold contrast range Red Belt Repulsion *Film grain intact *Fantastic film look preserved Rescue Dawn Resident Evil - Extinction *Fine light grain structure intact *High quality film like image Requiem For A Dream - Lionsgate Edition Only *Film grain intact *Faithful transfer with very pleasing film like image quality Romancing The Stone *Grain structure intact *Pleasing film like image *One of the better looking catalog titles from the eighties Running Scared ( German Edition ) Serenity *Grain structure intact *Gorgeous looking film with high levels of detail present in the image *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Sex and the City Shall We Dance Shooter Sleepwalking Sleepy Hollow - Japanese Release *Grain structure intact *Stylistic film photography looks fabulous and works well for this type of story Shoot 'Em Up *Grain structure intact *Stylistic cinematography choices look great but may not please everyone *Highly detailed image Silent Hill - ( German Edition ) *Detailed film like image *Fine film grain intact Smart People South Pacific *Film grain structure beautifully preserved *Detailed image with original color tint intact *Xylon's South Pacific Comparison Pix Thread Star Trek II - The Wrath Of Khan *Grain structure mostly intact *Detail levels high *Blue tint to some scenes may upset purists of original DVD release Street Kings *Fine grain structure intact *Nice sharp picture Sunshine *Fine grain structure *Detailed and beautiful image quality *Screencaps of Sunshine Taken - UK and American extended edition *Film like pleasing image *Grain structure intact *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger The Bird With The Crystal Plumage *Grain structure fully intact *Fabulous looking Argento classic The Bourne Ultimatum *Detailed film like image *Grain structure intact The Chronicles Of Narnia - Prince Caspian *Film like and detailed image The Day The Earth Stood Still ( 1951 original ) *Grain structure intact *Some minor edge enhancement may exist on the print *Beautiful film like black and white photography The Descent ----- AVC American and Australian editions only *Retains grain structure *Some chroma errors reported during opening title sequence *Film like and detailed image *An MPEG 2 edition exists which has been degrained *An Australian edition available without chroma errors but different contrast levels - This is the best edition to date but is 24fps (should be 23.946fps ) The Day After Tomorrow The Devil Wears Prada The Fall *Grain structure intact *Nice levels of detail and great color reproduction The Godfather *Grain structure intact *Film like presentation The Godfather Part II *Grain structure intact *Film like presentation The Godfather Part III *Lighter grain structure than first two movies but grain structure intact *Film like presentation The Happening The Hunt For Red October *Grain structure intact *Detailed film like image The Illunionist *Light film grain structure intact *Beautiful cinematography and pleasing film like image *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger The Incredible Hulk The International *Outstanding fine detail *Grain structure intact *Superb and pleasing image The Ipcress File *Medium grain structure consistent throughout film *Seems to be fresh master with no dirt on print *Nicely balanced color and contrast The Island ( UK Edition ) The Man Who Fell To Earth *Grain structure intact *Detailed and film like image *Screencaps of The Man Who Fell To Earth The Midnight Meat Train *Grain structure intact *Detailed image with film like presentation The Omega Man *Heavy film grain preserved and intact *Fabulous seventies classic The Professionals *Grain structure intact *Film like and highly detailed image *The Professionals Review The Sand Pebbles *Grain structure intact *Pleasing film like image The Seventh Seal *Film grain structure intact *Absolutely stunning classic B&W film The Spiderwick Chronicles The Texas Chainsaw Massacre ( 1974 original ) *Grain structure intact *Film like presentation shot using 16mm film stock The Third Man *B/W film with grain structure intact *Beautiful film like image The Visitor *Natural fine grain apparent throughout - no halos or ringing noted The Water Horse - Legend Of The Deep The Wizard Of Oz *Fantastic classic film now breathtakingly restored for Blu Ray *Grain structure intact *Film like presentation The Wrestler *Very nice transfer *Grain structure intact *Detailed film like stylistic image *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger The 7th Voyage of Sinbad The 400 Blows *Film's grain structure intact *Another great Criterion release preserving the films original cinematography Thunderball Tomb Raider - The Cradle Of Life - German Edition *Very light grain structure intact *Detailed film like image *Tomb Raider - The Cradle Of Life Review Trainspotting - Japanese Edition Transformers Transporter 2 - Japanese Edition Transporter 3 *Film grain preserved *Film like and detailed image *1 negative for persistent ringing noted here *Screenshots of the movie from forum member Giger Tropic Thunder Underworld Wanted *Light grain structure is intact *Detailed and film like image with striking cinematography choices *Mostly shot using 35mm film but some scenes shot digital with new 4K Red camera Vantage Point Wages Of Fear *Grain structure intact *Fantastic looking classic preserving the original cinemtography Watchmen *Film look maintained *Very good levels of detail We Own The Night X-Men *Grain structure intact *Highly detailed image X-Men: The Last Stand *Film grain structure intact *Film like stylised image Zack and Miri Make a Porno 28 Weeks Later 300 *Heavy film grain structure which was added post production *Highly stylistic look which will not please everyone *Detailed image with fabulous cinematography The Nomination List
Minor Issues With Transfer To Blu Ray Films on this list are still highly recommended- Not everyone will notice issues Air Force One - Import Edition *Some noise on the transfer American Psycho ( Sony Australian Edition ) *Minor grain reduction *Some minor EE spotted in places An American Werewolf In London *Edge enhancement running throughout the movie *Grain appears somewhat unnatural but may be due to film stock used Annapolis *Some artifacting in some scenes Any Given Sunday *Some blocking occuring in some scenes where grain has not been compressed well *Any Given Sunday Review Austin Powers: Goldmember *Some minor DNR Batman *Some minor DNR Batman Returns *Minor grain reduction and EE visible in some scenes Behind Enemy Lines *Some minor edge enhancement Black Hawk Down *1 Negative for lack of detail and EE throughout *1 Positive for image quality Bottle Rocket *Minor edge enhancement in a handful of scenes *Minor aliasing issues ( jaggies ) Capote *Light to moderate edge enhancement throughout the movie Changeling *Noticeable trails during camera as a result of grain reduction Cop Land *Black specks and crosshatch noise Crimson Tide *Occasional EE Danny The Dog aka Unleashed - Japanese Edition *Minor EE Donnie Brasco *Minor EE Doubt *Thin but persistent ringing and halos throughout film Eden Lake *Slightly elevated blacks - Possibly intentional *Minor ringing around edges and the letterboxing area indicates filtering *Other than the above minor issues this is a good film like transfer Enemy Of The State *Some minor edge enhancement *Slightly filtered look *Most likely an old master was used Flightplan *Minor DNR French Connection II *Some slight aliasing ( jaggies ) on the opening credits and objects Full Metal Jacket *This is the remastered release *Minor EE and a touch of aliasing ( jaggies ) Halloween *Color timing changed Highlander *Some scenes have had minor degraining done *Mostly a very film like and absorbing experience I Am Legend *Compression issues resulting in some blocking King Arthur *Inconsistent with grain retained in some scenes but not in others *Some EE visible King Kong *Some minor grain reduction *Opening scenes before the island is reached look the best Kill Bill Volume 1 *Light use of noise reduction *Some minor ringingin some scenes Kill Bill Volume 2 *Light use of noise reduction *Some minor ringing in some scenes Kramer vs Kramer *Minor ringing throughout the film Little Miss Sunshine *Natural looking film grain intact *Detailed and film like appearance *Edges have been enhanced resulting in ringing throughout the film Lost Season 4 *Some minor EE in some of the earlier episodes Mr Brooks *Minor Edge Enhancement Payback - Directors Cut *One scene has excessive DNR - Rest of the film is fine Pearl Harbor *Some moderate ringing Pirates Of The Caribbean - Curse Of The Black Pearl *Very light EE throughout Predator 2 *Minor DNR visible most of the time Pulp Fiction ( French Release ) *Light application of DNR *Audio pitch issues *Mouseover comparison between Pulp Fiction France and Denmark releases Run Lola Run *Questionable color balance compared to earlier releases Shutter *Minor EE Speed *Film like detailed image *Unfortunately some edge enhancement throughout the film Spiderman 2 *Minor EE in a handful of scenes Spiderman 3 *A handful of scenes have EE but otherwise this is a flawless transfer Stir Of Echoes *Dirt ridden print with gate telecine wobble Subway *Contrast boosted *Great looking disc with film grain intact Superman - The Movie *Daily Planet scenes look DNRed - Possibly just soft focus lens Sympathy For Lady Vengeance *Some scenes where transfer fails to retain grain - Probably due to low bitrate The Adventures Of Baron Munchausen *Some minor DNR The Amityville Horror - 1979 version *Small amount of filtering resulting in slight detail loss The Aviator - Import Versions *Some minor EE and minor color banding in a few shots The Chronicles Of Narnia - The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe *Some minor DNR and EE The Bourne Identity *Minor DNR reduction *1 Negative for halos and frequently popping black and white speckles exposing print damage *Click for Lgans comments regarding 1 negative against this film The Departed *Minor EE *Some scenes look processed The Devil's Rejects *Film like but has compression issues The Fifth Element *Slightly processed look to the image The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy *Minor Artifacting The Hulk *Frequently popping black and white speckles shows signs of print wear and tear *Minor halo's around high contrast edges The Last House On The Left (2009 remake) *Minor artifacting perhaps due to putting the unrated and rated editions on the same disc ( Seamless branching not used ) The Last Samurai *Minor EE The Life Before Her Eyes *Light temporal noise reduction applied The Life Of Brian *Slightly Processed Look The Matrix Revolutions *Light to moderate edge enhancement in a handful of scenes *macroblocking is present during the last half hour of the film The Machinist *Minor EE The Orphanage *Minor aliasing issue which results in jaggies sometimes visible on noses and arms and diagonal edges and curves *Click here and check out woman's right arm for an example of aliasing issue *Click here and check out man's nose for an example of aliasing issue The Princess Bride *Minor EE visible around objects on blue sky background scenes *Grain structure intact and film like image The Proposition *Some minor EE The Punisher - Import version ( Japan and UK Editions ) *Mild filtering and some EE visible The Reader *Minor filtering resulting in slightly less detail and also minor ringing spotted *Generally a very good looking title The Rock *Occasional EE/Ringing The Searchers *Grain structure intact *Film like image but suffers from minor ringing in a number of scenes *Robert A Harris interviews Ned Price on The Searchers restoration The Silence Of The Lambs *Minor grain reduction *Early scenes such as when Clarice meets Jack Crawford suffer from waxy appearance The Stendahl Syndrome *Some sharpening has been applied to this edition *A heavier than normal grain structure *Some artifacting most of which is invisible in motion There Will Be Blood *Some EE/Ringing is visible Tears Of The Sun *Some minor EE and very minor artifacting Total Recall(UK and European Editions) *Around 10% of the film comprises of optical shots and all the optical shots have suffered DNR *Some scratch removal has removed objects although mostly invisible in motion *Generally a decent transfer but for the above issues Unforgiven *Some minor EE Untitled: Almost Famous The Bootleg Cut *Some minor EE X2 *Temporal DNR issues 2001 A Space Odyssey *Edge enhancement/Ringing issues 30 Days Of Night *Some minor EE 3:10 To Yuma *Film like but contains aliasing ( jaggies ) Medium Issues With Transfer To Blu Ray Titles on this list will have more noticeable issues and these will be more frequent and annoying Play Time *Shot in 65mm - Possible that they used the 35mm prints for this release and that grain reduction has been applied as there is a lack of detail in the image *Edge enhancement evident throughout the transfer Angel Heart *At times there is an unnatural looking grain structure probably due to compression artifacts or sharpening applied to the transfer *Sharpening applied to transfer Die Another Day *Edge enhancement ringing plagues all medium and long distance camera shot scenes and is on both sides of objects and people The Wild Bunch *Edge enhancement resulting in halo's around people and objects *The film has either had DNR applied or the VC-1 codec has been used with a low bitrate resulting in a slightly smoothed over grain reduced look The Terminator *Temporal DNR issues *Click here for further information and screenshots regarding the issues with this film Must be Director or Cinematographer approved changes to be on the list below - These are recommended viewing Film Has Changed Significantly From It's Theatrical Presentation Blade Runner - The Final Cut *Color timing changes made by the director Ridley Scott Bram Stokers Dracula *Color timing and contrast changes approved by director Francis Ford Coppola *This release will not please everyone and there is divided opinion about it Dr No *Film grain preserved but of a later vintage *Fabulous detail and depth to the image and beautiful colors *Xylons Picture Comparison Thread *Blu Ray vs DVD Picture Comparison *The Official AVS Forums Dr No Blu Ray Review From Russia With Love Goldfinger *Some very fine film grain which does not appear to be from 1964 *Nice detailed film like image with beautiful color reproduction *Possible ringing in some scenes Planet Terror *Aspect ratio changed from theatrical 2.35:1 to 1.78:1 for Blu Ray release *Intentional scratches, hairs and specks on print to re-create the look of worn film *Screencaps of Planet Terror The Dark Knight *Aspect change for IMAX scenes from 1.40:1 to 1.78:1 *Edge enhancement on 35mm shot scenes *The Dark Knight Review *Click for Xylons Picture Comparison Thread The French Connection *Frozen grain structure in just a few scenes but otherwise grain intact *Color timing changed by director William Friedkin for this release The Last Emperor *Aspect ratio changed from 2.35:1 to 2.0:1 and some EE in places *Grain structure intact *Click for Xylons Picture Comparison Thread *Screencaps of The Last Emperor The Matrix *Color timing changed for the entire film to match up with the two sequels Films on this list have no significant issues and were shot using digital camera's The Digital Camera Film List Apocalypto Before The Devil Knows You're Dead *Jaggy edges and moire patterns present throughout the movie The Bank Job Click Cloverfield Crank *EE added post production thus film maintains it's cinema look Crank 2 - High Voltage Flyboys Rachel Getting Married RocknRolla Sin City Speed Racer Superbad Superman Returns The Other Boleyn Girl The Spirit Zodiac - Import Version *Some macroblocking in the sequence before the opening credits 21 28 Days Later Major Issues With Transfer To Blu Ray Titles on this list will be very poor and recommendation is to rent only A Battle Of Wits (Hong Kong Deltamac Release ) *Excessive DNR results in smearing on motion and a lack of fine detail *Clumpy grain structure most likely due to overuse of DNR A History Of Violence *Excessive use of DNR *Waxy faces and smoothed over look American Psycho ( Lionsgate Release ) *Heavy handed application of DNR *Ringing around sharp edges *Even the halos have halos Becket *Grain structure gone AWOL due to DNR *Persistent Halos *Waxy faces due to aforementioned excessive DNR Being There *Excessive DNR *Frozen grain structure *Smeariness to the image Black Rain *Heavy grain removal which has been badly done resulting in a frozen grain structure *Backgrounds are filled with static frozen grain patterns Boondock Saints *Excessive DNR *Edge Enhancement *Mushy appearance similar to Dark City Con Air *There are often thick edge halos in combination with a significantly smoothed, plastic look Dark City *Excessive DNR and edge enhancement *Click for Xylons Picture Comparison Thread Dirty Dancing *Excessive DNR and EE and a very processed look to the image Face-Off *Excessive DNR *Import versions also have excess edge enhancement First Blood *Excessive DNR El Cid *Waxy looking images *Strange colors *Looks like it was filmed with vaseline over the lens *Fine grain structure largely absent *Lacking high definition detail Escape From New York *An upconvert from a 480p master with excessive edge enhancement *Escape From New York Blu Ray Screencaps Evil Dead II *Excessive DNR resulting in waxy faces *Contrast and Color changes *Original THX release looks better and more detailed than the Blu Ray *Screencaps link added here soon Gangs Of New York *Excessive DNR and edge enhancement *Click for Xylons Picture Comparison Thread Gladiator *Excessive processing used including digital scratch removal tools which have erased arrows and fireballs in part of the opening battle scene *Excessive DNR in many scenes *Edge enhancement applied to the image - This is a sharpening tool which should never ever be used for high definition content and it results in halo's around people and objects and is very ugly to watch *Scenes from the extended edition on the disc look very good and show what might have been if Paramount and Universal didn't go all cheap on us *One of the worst examples of digital scratch removal tools used on Gladiator *My article on Gladiator at top website Digg Gulliver's Travels *Cropped from original 1.37:1 aspect ratio *Very excessive DNR *Dot Crawl and quality looks no better than VHS *Click For Pictures Of The Worst Blu Ray Ever La Haine *Major EE issues *Blocking in many scenes *DNR applied Near Dark *Excessive use of DNR *Liberal sprinkling of EE *Some blocking in many scenes Once Upon A Time In China - Wong Fei Hung *Considered to be an upconvert *Grain reduced and lacking detail *Edge enhancement throughout the film's running time *Click for an example screenshot from this movie Patton *Excessive DNR *Click for Xylons Picture Comparison thread Police Story *Considered to be an upconvert and not a proper HD release *Noise in the image which should not be confused with grain *Edge enhancement issues throughout the films running time *Click for a screenshot and a thread discussing Police Story Priceless ( Hors De Prix ) *Terrible compression issues *Heavy use of DNR *Edge enhancement *Not at all film like despite being shot anamorphically in 35mm Pulp Fiction ( Denmark Release ) *Automated dirt and scratch removal tools affect image quality and show up artifacts noticeable during playback in some scenes *Excessive DNR *Mouseover comparison between Pulp Fiction France and Denmark releases Requiem For A Dream - Alliance Canadian Release *Soft undetailed image *Washed out looking print with dull colors *Overall a very poor looking release Top Gun *Heavy grain removal *Frozen grain structure *Backgrounds are filled with static grain patterns The Fall Of The Roman Empire *Waxy looking images *Strange colors *Looks like it was filmed with vaseline over the lens *Fine grain structure largely absent *Lacking high definition detail The Forty Year Old Virgin *Excessive DNR The Last Starfighter *Excessive DNR *Color timing issues The Longest Day *Excessive DNR *Click for Xylons Picture Comparison Thread The Manchurian Candidate *Heavy grain reduction applied *Results in a frozen grain structure *Backgrounds are filled with static frozen grain patterns The Ninth Gate *Smeary motion *Highly processed looking *Lacking in detail The Untouchables *Heavy grain reduction applied *Results in a frozen grain structure *Backgrounds are filled with static frozen grain patterns The Sixth Sense *Excessive DNR - Pasty looking faces *European version retains the grain structure and looks much better The Truman Show *Excessive DNR and EE *Image stretched horizontally resulting in people looking shorter and fatter *The Truman Show Blu Ray vs HD TV Comparison Thread Trading Places *Excessive DNR Salň o le 120 giornate di Sodoma ( Salo ) *DNR and EE *A very unfilmlike processed video look *Click for Xylons Pictures Comparison Thread Saw III *Excessive DNR throughout the films running time Scary Movie *Excessive DNR and edge enhancement *It's scary that this was deemed good enough for Blu Ray Star Trek III - The Search For Spock *Grain structure mostly obliterated resulting in waxy faces *Contrast boosted image results in poor shadow detail *Any grain left is of the frozen grain type *Occasional ringing in some scenes Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home *Waxy looking undetailed transfer *Very processed looking image Star Trek 6 - The Undiscovered Country *Probably taken from an old 1080i master as aliasing ( jaggies ) visible on many scenes *Pasty looking faces possibly due to makeup on an aging cast Zulu - UK Edition *Excessive DNR and EE *Screencap of Zulu - Once open click to enlarge *Screencap of Zulu - Once open click to enlarge *Screencap of Zulu - Once open click to enlarge Please note that films on the minor/medium/major issues list may have some problematic moments happening onscreen that many people may not notice and whether they notice these issues might be dependent on their size of screen or sitting distance or their tolerance to the faults at hand - They are still highly recommended but just be aware of the issues our more eagle eyed viewers have noticed and if you don't see any issues then be happy*
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06-10-08, 04:11 AM
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The titles of this thread, and the original tier thread may be confusing.
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06-10-08, 01:31 PM
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As I mentioned in the "Longest Day" thread, I think the critical concept is accuracy. How accurately does the BD reproduce the source material?
Obviously, when discussing archival film-restoration projects, one must either make inferences or rely on expert sources; most of us will not have seen the original source material in its pristine state, 30 or 50 or 70 years ago, or remember it accurately if we did. But it's not that hard to assess if you know what properly projected film actually looks like. Compare Patton to The Sand Pebbles, and it's easy to judge which one looks more like a beautifully restored print being correctly projected in a well-maintained theater. But the same standard can be applied to current films, although here one comes up against the sorry truth that there are very few well-maintained theaters that maintain correct projection standards. If we need a new thread, I suggest perhaps its purtpose should simply be to rank BDs on the basis of how accurately we believe they reproduce the original look of the material.
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06-10-08, 01:52 PM
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Don't we have some industry insiders here that can provide comparison shots of a movie with DNR and the same movie without DNR - an unofficial clip or something.
And as for a thread rating blu-rays on "intent"... unless the director is here to tell us, we don't know squat about what was intended. For that matter unless we have access to the master, we don't even know how to judge if a blu-ray is true to the master. I'm all for educating people on grain and film making, but until you can give some side by side comparisons, I think the masses are going to prefer the video-like feel. |
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06-10-08, 02:45 PM
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This is a cool idea, but who or how do we determine what something was supposed to look like? Many older films have not been seen in the theater in years.... does everyone REALLY remember how the film looked grain-wise and such? That seems like a reach to me.
Its too bad that databases like IMDB dont have theatrical picture quality information. Im serious....they could have entries like: Heavy grain film-stock used, Shot on Panavision with minimal grain, Color pallette tilted towards blue, Diffused lighting used for many scenes, etc, etc. That would really clear up many of these debates. All too often, the newbies simply hate any transfer that doesnt look like "I, Robot" and the old-school film geeks seem to spare/excuse every bad transfer with the "its supposed to be grainy and look like crap" argument.  Oy Vey. |
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06-10-08, 03:08 PM
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I feel that I should mention Dirty Harry, given it's incredibly film like appearance and grain retention. I'm not sure about the colors however, they look heavily pumped up in certain areas.
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Lawrence on Blu-ray!
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Of course it looks so crappy to begin with, who cares that it reflects the original source in this case?
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Lawrence on Blu-ray!
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 Yes? It isn't even on Blu-ray yet. But it does appear that Sony is delaying it's release to make sure that they get it right, which is fine with me!
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However, you'll need a few things that are hard to come by in order to make a comprehensive list: people with first or second hand knowledge of what the director's intent is. And #2, a method for distinguishing what makes one movie "more" true to the director's intent than another. The only other scope I could see for a thread like this is an artistic style discussion thread. Not a tier thread with rankings, so to speak. Rather a thread that focuses on the more stylized films out there and the effect it has (and what it's going for) on the movie's transfer to blu-ray. Including, but not limited to, the type of cameras used, lenses, film stock, etc etc etc. My 2 cents. Brandon |
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06-10-08, 04:53 PM
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06-10-08, 05:17 PM
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I agree with everything you have said, and it really points out the difficulty in having this type of reference thread. Quote:
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06-10-08, 05:26 PM
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2001 or Babel or both?
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06-10-08, 05:34 PM
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06-10-08, 05:37 PM
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Then 28 Days Later fits the bill..... Or am I missing something here? |
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