Mitsubishi lineup at IFA

[Slate_dk]

Not many details known at the moment, but here goes

HC7000GT 70.000:1, 17 dB
HC6500 17.000:1
HC5500

The HC7000GT will be shown live
http://www.cine4home.de/Meldungen/Mi.../HC7000IFA.htm

The new cabinet for the HC7000GT looks less bulky
http://www.big-screen.de/deutsch/pag...beamer-ifa.php

[Dallas777]

HC7000GT 70.000:1, 17 dB

Can't wait to see, and not hear, this one!

[mark haflich]

i was hoping it would be at least 80,000 to 1, let's hope it makes up for this let down by improvements in other areas. maybe say in ANSI CR and lumens output.

[gandley]

D8 panel in the HC7000GT ? (starting to sound like a nvidia graphics card model number, Yuk)

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by Slate_dk

HC7000GT 70.000:1, 17 dB

I hope they didn't mostly just up their multiplier between native on/off CR and dynamic on/off to get that. I think 3-4x is about the limit to not cause more harm than good from what I've seen. Looking forward to hearing reports.

--Darin

[waltie]

is there any expectation for the prices of these beauties? if the hc 7000 has a dc 8 panel what is the panel for the hc 6500?

[gandley]

same as the 1080UB?

[tryingtimes]

Someone else mentioned in another thread that Epson had announced that the TW3000 wouldn't have a higher native CR than the TW2000. So either they lied , dynamic irises have taken a leap (perhaps unwelcome, although it is possible that they only clamp down on full black in order to get high specs) or Mitsubishi have dome something with the D8 panels that Epson cannot.
I guess it could all be down to brightness - Mitsubishi could have just elected to have less lumens than Epson I guess.

Anyway - interesting times, as usual around this time of year.

[Slate_dk]

Originally Posted by tryingtimes

... or Mitsubishi have dome something with the D8 panels that Epson cannot.

Well Mitsu was able to pull more from the D6 than the others... so much that they appearntly thought that they didn't have to follow the competitors when they went D7

[hrd]

Originally Posted by tryingtimes

Someone else mentioned in another thread that Epson had announced that the TW3000 wouldn't have a higher native CR than the TW2000. So either they lied , dynamic irises have taken a leap (perhaps unwelcome, although it is possible that they only clamp down on full black in order to get high specs) or Mitsubishi have dome something with the D8 panels that Epson cannot.
I guess it could all be down to brightness - Mitsubishi could have just elected to have less lumens than Epson I guess.

Anyway - interesting times, as usual around this time of year.

The person who posted that said Epson made that claim last year . Even if it did get said back then, a lot of time has passed since.

[WSquared]

There is some more information (and snazzy pictures) about the new polarization filters in the HC7000 here:
http://global.mitsubishielectric.com...projector.html
And the almost public page on the US mitsubishi-presentations website here:
http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....rs/HC7000.html This page has been updated in the last day or two because I found it a few days ago, but all the details were actually related to the HC6500, not the 7000. It now looks correct.

I am getting very excited about the HC7000. My Sony VPL-11HT has served me well, but it is time for it to go to the big home cinema room in the sky...

cheers, William

[WSquared]

I forgot to point out that at the second link, under the "Features and Benefits" tab, you find "Next-generation inorganic C2 Fine LCD Panels" listed. The Next-Gen bit leads me to hope that they are D8. But I work in an industry where we call everything that we do now "next-gen", so am keeping the salt nearby to pinch at the appropriate moment.
I think it is fair to say that the HC7000 panels should be at least D7. Otherwise their marketting people really should be smacked.

Edit-> Looking back over at the specs of the HC6000, it also apparently has 'Next-generation inorganic C2 Fine LCD Panels'. So the HC6500/7000 specs could partly be a copy & paste job. I guess it is still anybody's guess what sort of panels the 6500 & 7000 will have.
What really frustrates me is that I'll be in Berlin the week after the IFA for a different conference. I would really have loved to pop over to the IFA for a few hours. There are a number of other new european variants of items that I am interested in being launched there.

[khonfused]

Originally Posted by WSquared

What really frustrates me is that I'll be in Berlin the week after the IFA for a different conference. I would really have loved to pop over to the IFA for a few hours. There are a number of other new european variants of items that I am interested in being launched there.

Don't be, I'll be there for you...but I'm sure there will be tons of threads starting Monday talking about the new pj's from around the world (eeh Japan that is)

Cheers
khonfused

[WSquared]

khonfused,
There is nothing like seeing it with your own eyes...
But, I am happy to know that you are going for all the rest of us
Please let us know what you think and can find out about the HC7000 & 6500.
I am interested to know:
- the suggested european (and UK) pricing
- D7 or D8 panels in both PJs?
- how well the polarization filters work, if they have any negative impacts on picture quality etc

[vampira22]

Hey Guys,

I Dunno about the specs of the Diamond HC 7000 (and ?!?! 70,000 contrast ratio).....
but no more wondering for the specs of the Mitsubishi HC 6500, coz finally here it is..... just released by the offical website of Mitsubishi Presentations...
All the goodies, throw/zoom/power capabilities of the HC 6000BL combined with the Anamorphic Modes 1 & 2 of the HC 5500 .....plus less fan noise now down to 17db ....However, more weight from 12.3 lbs on previous models to 16.5 lbs (but who really cares?!?!?!?!)...
The Question is who is currently selling this PJ and what is the $$$ Price?

The beautiful new HC6500 Home Theater Projector embodies the Mitsubishi "Change for the Better" mission. This LCD projector fills your screen with full HD (1920 x 1080) 1080p resolution and an amazing 15,000:1 contrast.

Black Level Response Is The Measure of High Definition Projector Performance

Better black response is one of the top measures of the best home theater projectors. The HC6500 high definition projector combines new features for sharper blacks and quick transitions between bright and dark during fast scene changes. Our improved auto-iris adjusts for scene-to-scene changes in as little as 1/60th of a second.

High-End Home Theater Projector Features
Extra low dispersion glass lens with 17-lens optics and 1.6x powered zoom focuses light uniformly for true colors across your entire screen
Advanced inorganic LCD panels provide longer projector life
Re-engineered fan is smaller, but with a larger air vent that hushes fan noise to an amazing 17 dBA noise level (low mode)
Digital video output gives you seamless performance with the Blu-ray 24P next generation optical disk
Two HDMI interfaces for clean, all-digital flow from source to screen
Anamorphic lens compatibility for a true widescreen experience
"Hollywood Quality" LCD Projector
Silicon Optix Reon-VX HQV (Hollywood Quality Video) processing delivers detailed high definition projector images with 1080i-to-1080p projector de-interlacing and a sophisticated multidirectional diagonal filter that helps ensure video free from jagged edges. Precision HQV processing also restores color lost in compression and dynamically adjusts output based on your source - satellite, video or data.

Low-Cost and Easy Maintenance
With an estimated lamp life of up to 5000 hours (low mode) you save on lamp replacement. And this LCD projector is backed with a 2-year parts and labor warranty*.

Check the Official Mitsubishi Website
http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....rs/HC6500.html

And the 2 page PDF Data Sheet for the HC 6500
http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....eet_HC6500.pdf

[Zip3kx07]

Info on the HC7000



http://avforum.no/avnytt/showproduct.php/product/1642

The flagship HC7000 is a new pinnacle in home cinema projector excellence. This top-of-the-line LCD model features full 1080p resolution, a brand new auto iris, and the latest imaging technology, for stunningly realistic images with a breathtaking contrast ratio of 70000:1. For the most demanding movie fans.

Stylish and sophisticated design
The HC7000's sleek lines and gorgeously contoured form add a touch of class to any home cinema room.

New optical compensation panel
Corrects the optical projection angle and prevents light leakage, preserving light intensity and achieving greater contrast. In combination with the high-speed iris, the HC7000 delivers an impressive contrast ratio of 70000:1.

Unique contrast control
Works with the auto iris to provide even greater contrast, for improved display of scenes such as stars in the night sky.

Newly developed high-speed auto iris
New "diamond-cut" shaped 1/60-second high-speed, high-accuracy auto iris prevents light leakage and delivers higher contrast and richer black reproduction. Allows instant tracking of successive bright/dark scene changes for faithful image reproduction.

Amazingly quiet operation: 17 dB
Newly developed LCD panel cooling system, low-noise sirocco fan and contoured chassis all contribute to reducing noise to a whisper-quiet 17 dB (low mode).

Integrated lens aperture
Fixed aperture enables reproduction of rich black tones and crisp contrast, even in scenes with bright lighting against a dark background.

Fully motorized optical engine
Motorized up/down and left/right lens shift, and 1.6x short-focus power zoom/focus (100" = 3.1 m), for increased HD resolution and greater installation flexibility.

Superb quality video processor
Reon-VX HQV™ video processing technology with full 10-bit 4:4:4 signal processing, high-precision I/P conversion and HQV noise reduction for decreased mosquito noise and blocking. 14-bit digital gamma correction delivers finer gradational expression.

24P direct output of Blu-ray™ sources
Using the 24P method, the projector doubles the frame rate of films to 48 frames per second, maintaining the original motion speed and quality.

Full HD compatible lens system
Lens structure comprises 17 elements in 14 groups, including ED (extra-low dispersion glass) lenses for less chromatic aberration and improved peripheral focus.

Long-life lamp
Rated at 5000 hours (low mode), and convenient side loading lamp design for ease of maintenance.

Dual HDMI™ Ver 1.3 inputs
Dual inputs allow for 8-bit, 10-bit and 12-bit video signal processing, for rich gradations and contrast.

Info on the HC7000, HC6500, HC5500 from Mitsubishi Europe

http://global.mitsubishielectric.com...or.html#hc6500

[tarking]

MSRP for European market released:

HC5500 1499 euros
HC6500 2499 euros
HC7000 3499 euros

Link: http://www.grobi.tv/seiten/neuigkeit...ll/hc7000.html

[tryingtimes]

Originally Posted by tarking

MSRP for European market released:

HC5500 1499 euros
HC6500 2499 euros
HC7000 3499 euros

Link: http://www.grobi.tv/seiten/neuigkeit...ll/hc7000.html

Hmmm, very interesting, so the HC7000 is priced only slightly higher than the HC6000 was. And the HC6500 is cheaper! Very nice.

[emptychair]

Originally Posted by vampira22

Check the Official Mitsubishi Website
http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....rs/HC6500.html

...with a big Texas Instruments DLP logo at the end .

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by tryingtimes

Hmmm, very interesting, so the HC7000 is priced only slightly higher than the HC6000 was. And the HC6500 is cheaper! Very nice.

Actually, in the US is looks like the HC7000 has a lower MSRP than the HC6000 (although MAP or whatever they call it may be the same).

"The suggested retail price of Mitsubishi’s HC7000U and HC6500U are $3,995 and $2,995 respectively and both will be available this month through authorized Mitsubishi dealers such as Best Buy - Magnolia Home Theaters."

from http://www.projectorcentral.com/news_story_1182.htm

--Darin

[vampira22]

As I mentioned above, the specs of the HC6500 are nothing but phenomenal...... it's prety much everything I wanted about Hc6000 (lens capability and felxibility) plus increase in Lumens & anamorphic 2:35:1 capabality of the Hc5500. Now here comes the HC7000 with astonishing 72,000:1 contrast ratio??!?! Now that's insane!!! A higher Ratio than the JVC RS1 or 2?!?! and better than Marantz projectors?!?!? Yeah, I know it's an on/off iris but I can't still comprehend a jump from 15,000:1 to 72,000:1 ?!?!?! It's crazy!!!!
What makes it that way? Whats' the difference in 6500 and 7000 then?

Check the specs on the HC7000 from mitsubishi presentations (USA)
http://www.mitsubishipresentations.c...rs/HC7000.html

and data sheet
http://www.mitsubishipresentations.c...eet_HC7000.pdf

I called Mitsusbishi presentations 1888-307-0309 and it's sad coz their tech support for projectors did not know crap about projectors at all...
Funny, they were asking me 'What contrast ratio? What anamorphic mode?' They basically just kept on repeating what I was asking....hehe

So if anyone of you guys out there have any info on what makes HC700 better than HC6500 (despite mitsubishi 'cut and paste' specs), pls post it here....Thanks!!! Maybe you'll have better luck with the Mitsu PJ tech support guys than I did....

As far as i can tell from their USA website and the European website (that got posted in this thread before).... the HC7000 has a 'diamond cut' auto iris, and has lens aperture feature, and maybe lower lumens (1000) vs (1200) on the HC6500? Does this make sense for a higher contrast ratio of 72,000:1? I know the JVS RS2 has prob 650-700 lumens and has the best contrast ratio of any current PJs at 30,000:1. I've heard the lower lumens obviously has better blacks and hence any kind of color scenes/objects will have kinda 'popping' effect......

I Need some answers on this....

[wohlstad]

Originally Posted by vampira22

As I mentioned above, the specs of the HC6500 are nothing but phenomenal...... it's prety much everything I wanted about Hc6000 (lens capability and felxibility) plus increase in Lumens & anamorphic 2:35:1 capabality of the Hc5500. Now here comes the HC7000 with astonishing 72,000:1 contrast ratio??!?! Now that's insane!!! A higher Ratio than the JVC RS1 or 2?!?! and better than Marantz projectors?!?!? Yeah, I know it's an on/off iris but I can't still comprehend a jump from 15,000:1 to 72,000:1 ?!?!?! It's crazy!!!!
What makes it that way? Whats' the difference in 6500 and 7000 then?

Check the specs on the HC7000 from mitsubishi presentations (USA)
http://www.mitsubishipresentations.c...rs/HC7000.html

and data sheet
http://www.mitsubishipresentations.c...eet_HC7000.pdf

I called Mitsusbishi presentations 1888-307-0309 and it's sad coz their tech support for projectors did not know crap about projectors at all...
Funny, they were asking me 'What contrast ratio? What anamorphic mode?' They basically just kept on repeating what I was asking....hehe

So if anyone of you guys out there have any info on what makes HC700 better than HC6500 (despite mitsubishi 'cut and paste' specs), pls post it here....Thanks!!! Maybe you'll have better luck with the Mitsu PJ tech support guys than I did....

As far as i can tell from their USA website and the European website (that got posted in this thread before).... the HC7000 has a 'diamond cut' auto iris, and has lens aperture feature, and maybe lower lumens (1000) vs (1200) on the HC6500? Does this make sense for a higher contrast ratio of 72,000:1? I know the JVS RS2 has prob 650-700 lumens and has the best contrast ratio of any current PJs at 30,000:1. I've heard the lower lumens obviously has better blacks and hence any kind of color scenes/objects will have kinda 'popping' effect......

I Need some answers on this....

You can pretty much take these CR numbers and throw them out of the window, since these are not in calibrated modes. We know that Mitsu is using older LCD panels - D6 generation - and augmenting them with new(er) polarizers and more agressive IRIS. I suggest waiting till credible reviewers get their hand on these units to see what PQ improvement to expect.

[eliwankenobi]

What makes the 7000 have a higher contrast ratio is the use of an extra polarizer plate which reduces light leakage in dark scenes, giving blacker blacks without hurting brightness much and greater contrast. The same happens with the epson projectors where the 6100 claims 18000:1 and the 6500 claims 75000:1 contrast ratio.

[Zip3kx07]

Originally Posted by vampira22

As I mentioned above, the specs of the HC6500 are nothing but phenomenal...... it's prety much everything I wanted about Hc6000 (lens capability and felxibility) plus increase in Lumens & anamorphic 2:35:1 capabality of the Hc5500. Now here comes the HC7000 with astonishing 72,000:1 contrast ratio??!?! Now that's insane!!! A higher Ratio than the JVC RS1 or 2?!?! and better than Marantz projectors?!?!? Yeah, I know it's an on/off iris but I can't still comprehend a jump from 15,000:1 to 72,000:1 ?!?!?! It's crazy!!!!
What makes it that way? Whats' the difference in 6500 and 7000 then?

Check the specs on the HC7000 from mitsubishi presentations (USA)
http://www.mitsubishipresentations.c...rs/HC7000.html

and data sheet
http://www.mitsubishipresentations.c...eet_HC7000.pdf

I called Mitsusbishi presentations 1888-307-0309 and it's sad coz their tech support for projectors did not know crap about projectors at all...
Funny, they were asking me 'What contrast ratio? What anamorphic mode?' They basically just kept on repeating what I was asking....hehe

So if anyone of you guys out there have any info on what makes HC700 better than HC6500 (despite mitsubishi 'cut and paste' specs), pls post it here....Thanks!!! Maybe you'll have better luck with the Mitsu PJ tech support guys than I did....

As far as i can tell from their USA website and the European website (that got posted in this thread before).... the HC7000 has a 'diamond cut' auto iris, and has lens aperture feature, and maybe lower lumens (1000) vs (1200) on the HC6500? Does this make sense for a higher contrast ratio of 72,000:1? I know the JVS RS2 has prob 650-700 lumens and has the best contrast ratio of any current PJs at 30,000:1. I've heard the lower lumens obviously has better blacks and hence any kind of color scenes/objects will have kinda 'popping' effect......

I Need some answers on this....

Originally Posted by eliwankenobi

What makes the 7000 have a higher contrast ratio is the use of an extra polarizer plate which reduces light leakage in dark scenes, giving blacker blacks without hurting brightness much and greater contrast. The same happens with the epson projectors where the 6100 claims 18000:1 and the 6500 claims 75000:1 contrast ratio.

The extra polarizer plate does help reduce light leakage and increase native contrast to around 7,000:1 but what gives them the big contrast numbers is a dynamic iris. The Iris closes in dark scenes to reduce light giving you them better blacks then opening in bright scenes giving you better whites.

The JVC's are different then every other projector on the market in that they don't use a dynamic irises or optical tricks to achieve there contrast specs.

[tommy def]

http://www.mitsubishipresentations.c...ors/HC7000.htm

When you look at the specifications it says the native resolution is 1920x1080 but right underneath it says the max res is 1600x 1200 could somebody please explain what that means

[Bignickfly]

Originally Posted by tommy def

http://www.mitsubishipresentations.c...ors/HC7000.htm

When you look at the specifications it says the native resolution is 1920x1080 but right underneath it says the max res is 1600x 1200 could somebody please explain what that means

Thats for 4:3 pc resolution, not the HD resolution that AV gear uses.

[tommy def]

Originally Posted by Bignickfly

Thats for 4:3 pc resolution, not the HD resolution that AV gear uses.

Thanks