Samsung BD-2550/BD-P2500 Master Thread

Foxbat121 · 12-09-08, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by work4mike

Thanks again FoxBat.

I guess I would be setting it as Large, and I assume subwoofer crossover will be configurable then.

Large means no bass management. It really doesn't matter what's your sub's cross over. You better make sure all your speakers can do decent bass.

hardwired · 12-09-08, 08:07 AM

How good is the Netflix HD on the P2500 and what kind of title selection is there? What audio format can I expect to receive on downstreamed netflix? I'm upgrading to FIOS so now will have decent BW.

Harplayr · 12-09-08, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hansangb

Most DVD/BD players will turn on if you hit PLAY. So a macro of PLAY PLAY STOP will "act" like a discrete on"

I haven’t tried this yet, but I read the following on RemoteCentral:
ON: Play, Stop
OFF: Play, Stop, Power

TNVOL · 12-09-08, 10:26 AM

I just got a new Pioneer Elite VSX-01 AVR and have the Samsung hooked up to it by HDMI cable. On the Samsung 2500 player should I have the Audio as Bitstream (Audiophile) or PCM? I am assuming the Bitstream (Audiophile) setting but want to clarify.

Also setup the Netflix HD last night and seems to work well so far. Netflix doesn't have much HD selection yet but assume this will improve. The audio on the Netflix HD of Hero's came across as Dolby Pro Logic II on the Pioneer AVR so unfortunantly Netflix isn't doing Dolby Digital sound on these shows yet.

mcmlxviii · 12-09-08, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wobbegong

I haven't actually tried this (I don't yet have an AVR with HDMI inputs), but the table at the top of page 41 of the manual says that if you have the player set to output either 1080i or 1080p (with 24fps off), it will output 1080i or 1080p via HDMI and 1080i via Component, so you should be good to go. The table also shows that, if you enable 24fps mode, the player will only output 480i via Component, but your older TV won't support that mode anyway.

Thanks. I'm leaning towards a NAD T775 that mutes the component out if it senses a HDMI signal from a Blu-Ray. I'll have to try the HDFury2. I only want to have one set of component cables going to the TV as I want to minimize the wires at the back.

NashGuy · 12-09-08, 12:25 PM

I got my Samsung BD-P2500 yesterday and the Netflix streaming was the first thing I tried after updating my firmwire via ethernet. I watched Groundhog Day in SD and it looked pretty good. The quality reminded me of analog cable...not a lot of digital artifacts but everything was slightly fuzzy, not very detailed, and the colors were kinda washed out. Overall, I was pleased with it. Then I tried watching Ben Stein's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed in HD. This was between 3 and 5 in the afternoon and the Netflix bandwidth meter was between one-half and two-thirds, meaning it didn't even try to stream HD. The video quality was pretty awful! It looked much worse than Groundhog Day in SD. LOTS of compression artifacts and digital garbage. It was still watchable but at times reminded me of watching YouTube.

I tried another HD movie, Widows' Peak, last night around midnight. Netflix's bandwidth meter filled all the way across and displayed "HD". The quality was great! It looked like a lower-quality HD broadcast on cable TV...not up to the quality of OTA prime time HD, certainly not Blu-ray quality, but still HD. Very nice! At one point, though, I paused the movie for several minutes. When I resumed, it had to re-assess my bandwidth and rated me slightly below full quality (maybe 85%). The difference was pretty severe--there was no mistaking that for HD!

Netflix streaming is a nice bonus but it's really just a supplement to cable and Blu-ray. The HD selection is tiny and even then you need a good internet connection, which can be hit or miss. The SD selection is decent and gives you instant gratification. It's good for watching B-movies or stuff you've already seen, but if it's a movie I really want to see, I'll wait to get the Blu-ray in the mail from Netflix or watch it on Cinemax HD so that I can truly enjoy it.

(Oh, BTW, this player does a *great* job of upconverting DVDs to near-HD quality. And Blu-ray, of course, looks amazing!)

PackofSandwiches · 12-09-08, 12:39 PM

Has anyone had any problems with Netflix streams being out of sync? This has happened to me twice now. Audio is at 4 or 5 full seconds behind picture.

NashGuy · 12-09-08, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PackofSandwiches

Has anyone had any problems with Netflix streams being out of sync? This has happened to me twice now. Audio is at 4 or 5 full seconds behind picture.

None of the streaming I've done so far has been out of sync (well, possibly a fraction of a second, but nothing worse than I often see on TV).

a_dixit · 12-09-08, 02:17 PM

I got Samsung 2500 yesterday. It set output resolution to 1080i by default. I changed it to 720p and noticed that startup Samsung logo was showing jagged edges. Changed it back to 1080i and the jagged edges disappeared

Does the player have problem down converting 1080p?
I have not watched any BDs yet so can't really say that 720p has problems but the jagged edges of the logo were very much noticeable.
Has anyone seen this problem with 720p TVs ? I have Vizio 720p plasma (1024X768)

Foxbat121 · 12-09-08, 02:38 PM

Anytime you played a SD DVD, the Samsung screen will have jagged edges next time you power it up. It has nothing to do with 1080i or 720p.

In order to use the suprior Reon chip inside your player for de-interlacing (compare to the so so de-interlace on your Vizio TV), you have to set the player to output 1080p or 720p. If you set it to 1080i, you will bypass Reon's main benefit.

a_dixit · 12-09-08, 02:55 PM

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Anytime you played a SD DVD, the Samsung screen will have jagged edges next time you power it up. It has nothing to do with 1080i or 720p.

Foxbat,

I do not understand what are you saying, may be I'm missing something here :-)

So for clarification is this what you are implying :
Even when the player is set to 1080p and it plays an 'SD' DVD , the player will display logo with jagged edges after power on, i.e., it has nothing to do with 720p resolution. The BD playback has nothing to do with the logo's jagged edges

I know Reon benefits so was setting it to 720p but saw Samsung logo with Jagged edges.

Thanks.

nate358 · 12-09-08, 03:17 PM

I just got the 2550 last night and the first thing I did was upgrade firmware. Pandora is cool, but seems to play the same songs over and over. I don't have a Netflix account. I watched Kung Fu Panda bluray.... looked amazing.

Then I pulled out my HQV Benchmark SD DVD. This player scored a perfect 130 out of 130!!!!! I compared it to my Main DVD player... Oppo 971H (their first great player)which scored 120 out of 130. They were both about the same in quality exept for Noise Reduction. The 2550 is an amazing player!

Foxbat121 · 12-09-08, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by a_dixit

Foxbat,

I do not understand what are you saying, may be I'm missing something here :-)

So for clarification is this what you are implying :
Even when the player is set to 1080p and it plays an 'SD' DVD , the player will display logo with jagged edges after power on, i.e., it has nothing to do with 720p resolution. The BD playback has nothing to do with the logo's jagged edges

You understand it perfectly. If the last disc you played is BD, you will not see jagged edges next time you power on the player. If the last disc you played is SD, you will see jagged edges next time you power on the player. Since you have not played any BD, you will see jagged edges most of the time. It does not reflect any image quality problem when playing either BD or SD. It's just the way Samsung firmware is written from day one (check first few pages of this thread).

work4mike · 12-09-08, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121

Anytime you played a SD DVD, the Samsung screen will have jagged edges next time you power it up. It has nothing to do with 1080i or 720p.

In order to use the suprior Reon chip inside your player for de-interlacing (compare to the so so de-interlace on your Vizio TV), you have to set the player to output 1080p or 720p. If you set it to 1080i, you will bypass Reon's main benefit.

Foxbat, I was always under the impression that upscaling/upconverting/deinterlacing is sorta all in one. Looks like I am wrong about this now.

My 34" HDTV is only 1080i capable. So, it looks like I will need to set the player to 720p to get the Reon chip benefits? or should I set it to 1080i, let the Reon do only the upconvert, but not de-interlace.

Thx in advance...

Foxbat121 · 12-09-08, 04:21 PM

Is your 34" a CRT TV? If so, it may not even support 720p. Reon's claim to fame is the ability to de-interlace difficult materials often found in SD DVDs. If your TV is a tube TV and display 1080i natively, there is really no need to de-interlace. De-interlacing is only needed for newer fixed pixel TVs.

LAexNY · 12-09-08, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PackofSandwiches

Has anyone had any problems with Netflix streams being out of sync? This has happened to me twice now. Audio is at 4 or 5 full seconds behind picture.

Yes, I have the same problem. Maybe more like 2-3 seconds but still noticeable. I have HDMI to the TV and audio to the receiver. I tried sending audio to the TV only but still had the same problem.
I also have the Roku Netflix player and do NOT have the out of sync audio problem with it. However, that has not yet been upgraded to HD.

wrxnofx · 12-09-08, 05:14 PM

Other than turning the Movie Frame (24Fs) setting on, is there any way to actually tell that it is properly working? There is no LED on the display that indicates it is working, and I frankly can't tell much of a difference with it on versus off.

work4mike · 12-09-08, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121

Is your 34" a CRT TV? If so, it may not even support 720p. Reon's claim to fame is the ability to de-interlace difficult materials often found in SD DVDs. If your TV is a tube TV and display 1080i natively, there is really no need to de-interlace. De-interlacing is only needed for newer fixed pixel TVs.

It's the last HD CRT from Sony, model 34XBR970, 1080i,720p,480p,480i capable on HDMI and component inputs, and there is a dedicated user thread here on AVS as well.

My apologies for not understanding the technicalities here, but what do you recommend to set the player at, given my scenario?

The TV has a HD tuner, and I have been watching HD cable broadcasts when transmitted in 720p or 1080i without any issues at all.

My next major upgrade will be a proper 1080p HDTV panel with a proper 7.1 receiver. But for now, I need to do with what I have.

sszudzik · 12-09-08, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wrxnofx

Other than turning the Movie Frame (24Fs) setting on, is there any way to actually tell that it is properly working? There is no LED on the display that indicates it is working, and I frankly can't tell much of a difference with it on versus off.

Does your TV have an info menu that will show you what it's currently displaying? I've got a Sammy and it'll tell me 1920x1028 @24hz when I have that setting turned on. Annoyingly it'll pop that up for about 3 seconds every time it goes between 24 & 60 though. I do find the 24 frames smoother, especially during fast panning action scenes.

a_dixit · 12-09-08, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121

You understand it perfectly. If the last disc you played is BD, you will not see jagged edges next time you power on the player. If the last disc you played is SD, you will see jagged edges next time you power on the player. Since you have not played any BD, you will see jagged edges most of the time. It does not reflect any image quality problem when playing either BD or SD. It's just the way Samsung firmware is written from day one (check first few pages of this thread).

Thanks Foxbat. I'll try tonight my first BD (Dark Knight) and see how it looks compared to SD DVD

gobill · 12-09-08, 06:10 PM

Howdy, newbie here. I picked up a 2550 at BB a week ago and so far the image quality has been excellent for both BD and SD DVD.
My only concern is the forward scan function when playing SD DVD. When playing a SD and then fast forwarding x4 for a few seconds and then hitting the play button to resume playback, the image will stutter and the video and audio will be out of sinc. The image will be choppy with momentary freezing. The only way to get the video and audio back on track is to hit the fast forward button to x8 or above and then hit play. This happens roughly half the time I use the forward scan and only on x4. It does not seem to be a problem when playing a BD.
I wonder if anyone can give some feedback and run a test to see if you are experiencing the same problem on your machine with SD. Thanks in advance.

sbullhead · 12-09-08, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by a_dixit

I got Samsung 2500 yesterday. It set output resolution to 1080i by default. I changed it to 720p and noticed that startup Samsung logo was showing jagged edges. Changed it back to 1080i and the jagged edges disappeared

Does the player have problem down converting 1080p?
I have not watched any BDs yet so can't really say that 720p has problems but the jagged edges of the logo were very much noticeable.
Has anyone seen this problem with 720p TVs ? I have Vizio 720p plasma (1024X768)

I have seen exactly the same thing. The Samsung logo looks much better when the output is set to 1080I compared to 720P. However, my Mitsubishi DLP has a native resolution of 720P, so I left the 2500 set to it. I have not tried setting the output to 1080I, but I am curious if the picture would look better with the Mits down converting to 720 and progressive scan.

Foxbat121 · 12-09-08, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by work4mike

It's the last HD CRT from Sony, model 34XBR970, 1080i,720p,480p,480i capable on HDMI and component inputs, and there is a dedicated user thread here on AVS as well.

Leave it at 1080i should be fine since your CRT will display it natively. On the other hand, 720p may reduce flickering. You should try it out and judge the PQ youself.

wrxnofx · 12-09-08, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sszudzik

Does your TV have an info menu that will show you what it's currently displaying? I've got a Sammy and it'll tell me 1920x1028 @24hz when I have that setting turned on. Annoyingly it'll pop that up for about 3 seconds every time it goes between 24 & 60 though. I do find the 24 frames smoother, especially during fast panning action scenes.

Off the top of my head I don't think so. I have a Pio KURO. I can see the HDMI Input #, resolution (1080p), and the fact that it's 36 bit color. I may have to dig around and see if I can find another location where it would display that info.

Foxbat121 · 12-09-08, 08:43 PM

Your KURO is one of the few that supports true 24fps display. When you first enabled the 24fps mode in player, it will switch to 1080p/24 mode and display a message box for you to confirm. If you can see the message box, your TV can accept 1080p/24 signal but it doesn't mean it will display in 24fps or its multiples mode as a lot TVs simply convert 1080p/24 to 1080p/60 for display. There is a thread here that lists all the TVs that are confirmed to support true 24fps display.

Josuah · 12-09-08, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hardwired

How good is the Netflix HD on the P2500 and what kind of title selection is there? What audio format can I expect to receive on downstreamed netflix? I'm upgrading to FIOS so now will have decent BW.

Current movies are 2-channel audio, including the HD versions. If you are a Netflix subscriber you can see the available titles and those available in HD on their web site.

Josuah · 12-09-08, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PackofSandwiches

Has anyone had any problems with Netflix streams being out of sync? This has happened to me twice now. Audio is at 4 or 5 full seconds behind picture.

Do you have the latest firmware? You might try that.

nate358 · 12-09-08, 10:06 PM

Why do I always miss things by 1 day.... I just bought this player last night.

Buy 2550 @ $50 off, Buy Dark Knight at $23.99, and get a $20 gift card for free.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....at168500050023

Do you think they will price match this deal for me? Do they raise the prices of Movies at Best Buy the day after it came out?

nate358 · 12-09-08, 10:18 PM

I guess this answers the question I had about the price matching.....

Limited time offer. Excludes prior purchases. Items must be purchased on the same receipt. May not be valid in combination with other offers. Gift card good toward future purchases.

I guess I could take this one back and do the new offer. Seems like they should just price match it though.

Ridewithme38 · 12-09-08, 10:25 PM

Anyone else having problems playing "A Christmas Story" with the new Firmware on th 2550? I don't know if its the new firmware or not really

All i know is i bought my 2550 two weeks ago updated immediatly and got a christmas story last week and it locks up and freezes almost through the whole movie

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TNVOL Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 370	Question on Audio Setup I just got a new Pioneer Elite VSX-01 AVR and have the Samsung hooked up to it by HDMI cable. On the Samsung 2500 player should I have the Audio as Bitstream (Audiophile) or PCM? I am assuming the Bitstream (Audiophile) setting but want to clarify. Also setup the Netflix HD last night and seems to work well so far. Netflix doesn't have much HD selection yet but assume this will improve. The audio on the Netflix HD of Hero's came across as Dolby Pro Logic II on the Pioneer AVR so unfortunantly Netflix isn't doing Dolby Digital sound on these shows yet.

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a_dixit Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 126	What resolution do you use for 720p TVs I got Samsung 2500 yesterday. It set output resolution to 1080i by default. I changed it to 720p and noticed that startup Samsung logo was showing jagged edges. Changed it back to 1080i and the jagged edges disappeared Does the player have problem down converting 1080p? I have not watched any BDs yet so can't really say that 720p has problems but the jagged edges of the logo were very much noticeable. Has anyone seen this problem with 720p TVs ? I have Vizio 720p plasma (1024X768)

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Foxbat121 AVS Special Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: VA Posts: 6,337	Anytime you played a SD DVD, the Samsung screen will have jagged edges next time you power it up. It has nothing to do with 1080i or 720p. In order to use the suprior Reon chip inside your player for de-interlacing (compare to the so so de-interlace on your Vizio TV), you have to set the player to output 1080p or 720p. If you set it to 1080i, you will bypass Reon's main benefit.

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Foxbat121 AVS Special Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: VA Posts: 6,337	Is your 34" a CRT TV? If so, it may not even support 720p. Reon's claim to fame is the ability to de-interlace difficult materials often found in SD DVDs. If your TV is a tube TV and display 1080i natively, there is really no need to de-interlace. De-interlacing is only needed for newer fixed pixel TVs.

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Ridewithme38 Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 64	Anyone else having problems playing "A Christmas Story" with the new Firmware on th 2550? I don't know if its the new firmware or not really All i know is i bought my 2550 two weeks ago updated immediatly and got a christmas story last week and it locks up and freezes almost through the whole movie

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NashGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 125	I got my Samsung BD-P2500 yesterday and the Netflix streaming was the first thing I tried after updating my firmwire via ethernet. I watched Groundhog Day in SD and it looked pretty good. The quality reminded me of analog cable...not a lot of digital artifacts but everything was slightly fuzzy, not very detailed, and the colors were kinda washed out. Overall, I was pleased with it. Then I tried watching Ben Stein's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed in HD. This was between 3 and 5 in the afternoon and the Netflix bandwidth meter was between one-half and two-thirds, meaning it didn't even try to stream HD. The video quality was pretty awful! It looked much worse than Groundhog Day in SD. LOTS of compression artifacts and digital garbage. It was still watchable but at times reminded me of watching YouTube. I tried another HD movie, Widows' Peak, last night around midnight. Netflix's bandwidth meter filled all the way across and displayed "HD". The quality was great! It looked like a lower-quality HD broadcast on cable TV...not up to the quality of OTA prime time HD, certainly not Blu-ray quality, but still HD. Very nice! At one point, though, I paused the movie for several minutes. When I resumed, it had to re-assess my bandwidth and rated me slightly below full quality (maybe 85%). The difference was pretty severe--there was no mistaking that for HD! Netflix streaming is a nice bonus but it's really just a supplement to cable and Blu-ray. The HD selection is tiny and even then you need a good internet connection, which can be hit or miss. The SD selection is decent and gives you instant gratification. It's good for watching B-movies or stuff you've already seen, but if it's a movie I really want to see, I'll wait to get the Blu-ray in the mail from Netflix or watch it on Cinemax HD so that I can truly enjoy it. (Oh, BTW, this player does a great job of upconverting DVDs to near-HD quality. And Blu-ray, of course, looks amazing!)

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PackofSandwiches Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 31	Has anyone had any problems with Netflix streams being out of sync? This has happened to me twice now. Audio is at 4 or 5 full seconds behind picture.

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nate358 Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 539 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	I just got the 2550 last night and the first thing I did was upgrade firmware. Pandora is cool, but seems to play the same songs over and over. I don't have a Netflix account. I watched Kung Fu Panda bluray.... looked amazing. Then I pulled out my HQV Benchmark SD DVD. This player scored a perfect 130 out of 130!!!!! I compared it to my Main DVD player... Oppo 971H (their first great player)which scored 120 out of 130. They were both about the same in quality exept for Noise Reduction. The 2550 is an amazing player!

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wrxnofx Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 16	Other than turning the Movie Frame (24Fs) setting on, is there any way to actually tell that it is properly working? There is no LED on the display that indicates it is working, and I frankly can't tell much of a difference with it on versus off.

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gobill New Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1	Howdy, newbie here. I picked up a 2550 at BB a week ago and so far the image quality has been excellent for both BD and SD DVD. My only concern is the forward scan function when playing SD DVD. When playing a SD and then fast forwarding x4 for a few seconds and then hitting the play button to resume playback, the image will stutter and the video and audio will be out of sinc. The image will be choppy with momentary freezing. The only way to get the video and audio back on track is to hit the fast forward button to x8 or above and then hit play. This happens roughly half the time I use the forward scan and only on x4. It does not seem to be a problem when playing a BD. I wonder if anyone can give some feedback and run a test to see if you are experiencing the same problem on your machine with SD. Thanks in advance.

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Foxbat121 AVS Special Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: VA Posts: 6,337	Your KURO is one of the few that supports true 24fps display. When you first enabled the 24fps mode in player, it will switch to 1080p/24 mode and display a message box for you to confirm. If you can see the message box, your TV can accept 1080p/24 signal but it doesn't mean it will display in 24fps or its multiples mode as a lot TVs simply convert 1080p/24 to 1080p/60 for display. There is a thread here that lists all the TVs that are confirmed to support true 24fps display.

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nate358 Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 539 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	Why do I always miss things by 1 day.... I just bought this player last night. Buy 2550 @ $50 off, Buy Dark Knight at $23.99, and get a $20 gift card for free. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....at168500050023 Do you think they will price match this deal for me? Do they raise the prices of Movies at Best Buy the day after it came out?

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nate358 Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 539 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	I guess this answers the question I had about the price matching..... Limited time offer. Excludes prior purchases. Items must be purchased on the same receipt. May not be valid in combination with other offers. Gift card good toward future purchases. I guess I could take this one back and do the new offer. Seems like they should just price match it though.