New epson TW 5000 lcd 1080p

[kraine]

It's Epson's full high-definition 1080p flagship, with a dynamic contrast ratio of 75,000:1, thanks to advanced DeepBlack technology and E-TORL lamp.

A true cinema screen format of 2.35:1 is possible with anamorphic wide mode that allows a third-party lens to be added, so movies can be enjoyed without black bands at the top and bottom of the screen. Although personally, Crave likes black bands. Makes us feel like we're at the pictures.

An HQV processor gives 12-bit video processing and 4-4 pull-down, as well as frame interpolation to smooth out video playback. Colour isolation calibration is also possible without the need for optical colour filters, which we're sure is a big relief to each and every one of you.

The figures: the TW5000 gives out 1,600 ANSI Lumens of brightness but only makes 22db noise, and will set you back £2,400 from October.

source :

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/homecinema/0...98667-7,00.htm

[kraine]

More pics, same link :

[conan48]

Great news.

A few questions:
1. Are they using new D8 panels?
2. By frame interpolation, are they refering to 120hz tech?

[gandley]

from cinemotion

Finally, there will obviously not a model EMP-TW3000 from Epson, but rather an EMP-TW5000.
This video Full HD benefit from the latest signs D8. In terms of specifics announced, it is quite tempting. Indeed, its contrast ratio mode dynamic climbing 75 000:1 (such as Mitsubishi), also figure obtained using the Advanced Technology DeepBlack. It retains a high brightness (1600 lumens), but several new features could provide a little more successful than its predecessors.

. Already, it will include a video processing HQV 12bits and will be certified ISF. The Epson EMP-TW5000 will also have an anamorphic mode for the addition of a lens. Finally, little effort made by the group, operating a noise which should not exceed 22dB mode Theatre.
Remember to conclude that the Tri-LCD is expected to be available during the month of October to a rate of 2,990 €

so yeah D8 panels evidently

[Jason Turk]

Love the new case...much improved physically over the existing units.

I have something in the works for these 2 (muah ah aaaahhhhhhh)!

[gandley]

a quiet epson, thats a first. (hopefully) and yes the case is much better.

[BarkingArt]

Jason- these "two"? And by two you mean what? Or did you mean "too"?

[SupaKats]

Originally Posted by BarkingArt

Jason- these "two"? And by two you mean what? Or did you mean "too"?

"Two" could be a home and a pro version.

[Zip3kx07]

Does anyone know what the MSRP on the Epson will be in the US?

[CreativeHT]

Originally Posted by Zip3kx07

Does anyone know what the MSRP on the Epson will be in the US?

Along with MSRP, does anyone have a projected availability date?

[Uther]

Anamorphic lens support to boot, that's a big step up from the 1080UB.

[krinkle]

Does this use the same panel as the Mitsubishi HC7000?

Also would anyone care to offer an opinion on Mitsu HC7000 vs. Epson TW5000 vs. Panny AE3000?

I was going to get JVC or Sony, but these are offering such amazing specs for probably $3K less in price...

[Zip3kx07]

A member on AVforums posted that the Espon was suppose to be 17,000 native contrast, very impressive for an LCD.

[krinkle]

Are the convergence problems supposedly fixed in this new model?

Convergence problems would be a deal killer for me, even with the great specs listed above.

[tvted]

Originally Posted by Zip3kx07

A member on AVforums posted that the Espon was suppose to be 17,000 native contrast, very impressive for an LCD.

The intriguing thing with this is the claim for an On/Off of 70K:1. The native claim would have to be reasonably accurate if the 70K:1 measures out or they have an extremely aggressive Iris. With 17000 native that would put the Iris at about 2+ stops from open to close to achieve the claimed On/Off. I believe that 2 stops is beginning to approach the maximum of what an Iris should do before other artifacting is likely to be appreciable.

It makes me wonder what the native on the new Sony is as they are only claiming 30K:1. Sony I uses a lens based DI which should provide better control and I believe they use about 1.5 stops of range given the Native vs. On/Off for the current generation.

ted

[Zip3kx07]

Originally Posted by tvted

The intriguing thing with this is the claim for an On/Off of 70K:1. The native claim would have to be reasonably accurate if the 70K:1 measures out or they have an extremely aggressive Iris. With 17000 native that would put the Iris at about 2+ stops from open to close to achieve the claimed On/Off. I believe that 2 stops is beginning to approach the maximum of what an Iris should do before other artifacting is likely to be appreciable.

It makes me wonder what the native on the new Sony is as they are only claiming 30K:1. Sony I uses a lens based DI which should provide better control and I believe they use about 1.5 stops of range given the Native vs. On/Off for the current generation.

ted

Very true.
The Mitsubishi and Epson both use the same D8 panels to my knowledge, but the Mitsu is rated at 70k:1 and the Epson at 75:1. So the Epson is more then likely using a bit more of an aggressive Iris then the Mitsubishi. Not sure on the Sony but it does look like Sony is behind with native contrast on there projectors which is disappointing.

But even if the Iris on the Epson is a little too aggressive for some users, even at 17k:1 native that should compete with the RS1.

[Eric van Ballegoie]

Originally Posted by conan48

Great news.

A few questions:
1. Are they using new D8 panels?
2. By frame interpolation, are they refering to 120hz tech?

1: No, the TW5000 is still using D7 panels, but with support for framerates op to 120 Hz and a better Cinema Filter

2: Yes, or 100 Hz for Pal-based content and 96 Hz vor filmbased content.

The native contrastratio is 6000:1, not 17.000:1. I've seen the projector compared to the Sony VW60, Sanyo's Z2000, Optoma's HD80 and Panasonic's AE2000, and the blacklevel of the TW5000 is much better. This was in an Epson-controlled environment, but according to Epson al projectors were set tot their respective Cinema modes without further adjustmenst, except for the IRIS function which had been turned off on all projectors.

I've written a preview about the upcoming projectors (Epson also announced the TW3800, TW3000 and TW2800) for our website. The article is in Dutch, but it contains English slides:

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/artic...oren_preview/2

[R Harkness]

Originally Posted by Eric van Ballegoie

The native contrastratio is 6000:1, not 17.000:1. I've seen the projector compared to the Sony VW60, Sanyo's Z2000, Optoma's HD80 and Panasonic's AE2000, and the blacklevel of the TW5000 is much better.

Hi Eric,

Have you seen the JVC HD100 or RS2 projectors? (Native 30,000:1 contrast ratio)?

If so, how would you rate the black level/contrast of the new Epson vs the JVC?

Thanks.

[Eric van Ballegoie]

Originally Posted by R Harkness

Hi Eric,

Have you seen the JVC HD100 or RS2 projectors? (Native 30,000:1 contrast ratio)?

If so, how would you rate the black level/contrast of the new Epson vs the JVC?

Thanks.

I've seen de HD100 a while ago, but not in direct comparison to the new Epson, so it's hard to make a judgement. During the Epson demonstration, it was however quite obvious that the blacklevel was way better than the other projectors and certainly the best I've ever seen from an LCD.
But again, please take into account that this shootout was done in an Epson-controlled environment and that te TW5000 unit on show was an early testmodel. We'll have to wait for the final production units to see how they perform in real life.

But from what I've seen, I'm very impressed with the performance of the TW5000, most of all considering the quite modest price of only 3000 Euro.

[R Harkness]

Thank you Eric.

[Grubert]

Features summaries:

TW5000
Home cinema projector ideal for those who desire a premium home cinema experience-Sophisticated and stylish black design
HD Ready 1080p with true high-definition 1920 x 1080p resolution
Superior image quality with Epson's 3LCD technology and C2 Fine inorganic D7 panel
Amazing contrast ratio of 75,000:1 with Epson DeepBlack technology for jet blacks
High brightness of 1600 ANSI Lumens - Convenient viewing in any light condition with perfect rendering thanks to the improved Cinema Filter
HQV video processor to realize clear and sharp motion pictures
12bit video processing, frame interpolation and 4-4 pull-down for film-like images
Flexible placement with horizontal/vertical lens shift and 2.1x optical zoom
Anamorphic wide mode (to use with third part anamorphic lens)
Connect to a range of input sources including 2 x HDMI version 1.3, YUV and RGB
x.v. Colour mode for vivid colour reproduction
ISF calibration menus for professional calibration
Included cable cover for stylish and neat ceiling mount installation
Quiet projection of 22db
Three year warranty on lamp and projector
Under €3000 RRP including VAT - Available October 2008


TW3800
HD ready 1080p with full high definition resolution
High contrast ratio of 20 000:1
High light output (2000 lm) for day and night viewing
Wide connectivity including 2 x HDMI version 1.3 input
Easy and flexible to install: convenient horizontal and vertical lens shift, ceiling mount possibility, long throw lens and optical zoom x 2.1
Full 10 bit video processing (Pixelworks scaler)
ISF certification for professional calibration
x.v.Colour as standard
Really quiet: 22 dB fan noise
New trendy white and silver design
Included cable cover for stylish and neat ceiling mount installation
Three warranty on lamp and projector
Under €2000 RRP including VAT - Available October 2008

TW3000
HD ready 1080p (Full HD) with true high-definition 1920 x 1080p resolution >> wide screen for HD Cinema at home
Superior image quality with Epson's 3LCD technology (D7 panel)
High contrast ratio of 20 000:1
Super-high brightness of 2000 Lumens
Wide colour space and full 10 bit video processing (Pixel Works scaler)
Wide connectivity (easy connection to DVD/Blu-ray player, digital TV Tuner, Set top box, games consoles, computers and digital cameras) with 2 x HDMI 1.3 inputs (true 1080p signal video processing)
Easy and flexible to install : convenient horizontal and vertical lens shift, ceiling mount possibility, wide range of projection distances, optical zoom x 2.1
Really quiet projection: 22 dB fan noise
Stylish and new white design
3 years warranty on projector and lamp
Under €2000 RRP including VAT (Early price. Final price to be confirmed in October 2008)

[CADOBHuK]

tw5000 vs hc7000 : that is the question.

[In-Dub]

I have been very lucky to see this, a preprod model, in action in this years Cedia, along with some few others...I dont think they wanted to show it yet, but after some talking and promises of mountains of Gold, we were allowed to have a peak.
It is without any doubt, the most impressive lcd I have seen. It completely demolishes all dlp`s in any pricerange when it comes to contrast, dynamics and the ability to show deep black, and is way ahead of the other new lcd`s on the display.
Given that Epson do not share their technology, they will have a huge leap when this is on the marked, ready to buy, and with the same price as the Tw2000.

It has 70-80 % better control over the lightoutput, and features a new 200w lamp. The most impressive thing is that, when I saw this unit, the auto iris was not active, and still the pictures was outstanding, awesome. So with autoiris on, I cant imagine how this will look
One of the Epson guys also told me that the cinema and theater modes has an increase with almost 45% in lightoutput, and that the x.v.color modes are also way more accurate and realistic when it comes to colors. The release date is probably early october or november.

[Jason Turk]

Originally Posted by BarkingArt

Jason- these "two"? And by two you mean what? Or did you mean "too"?

Doh! Supposed to be too as in also.

Stay tuned.

[arieldr]

Israel best HT site posted some additional pictures of the new epson projector line.
Best part is a SHOOTOUT between Sony VW60, Panasonic AE2000, Sanyo Z2000 and Optoma HD80.
Not much details about the shootout results beside epson superior blacks.
You can see some pictures at the end of the review.

Legend:
Upper right - Epson
Upper left - Panasonic
Lower right - Sony
Lower left - Sanyo

http://www.hometheater.co.il/p-1.article01331

Europe suggested retail price is 3000 euro will be available from Nov 2008. The TW5000 comes with 3 years warranty including the lamp!!!

If there are additional questions I will be happy to translate

[RONM]

So Epson make the D8 panels but doen't use them in thier own
flagship model PJ?Doesn't sem to make sense.

[bass addict]

Originally Posted by RONM

So Epson make the D8 panels but doen't use them in thier own
flagship model PJ?Doesn't sem to make sense.

I agree, I wonder what the reasoning behind this was?

[madshi]

As far as I understand there are no D8 panels at all. Only D7' panels, which are identical to D7 panels, but with 120Hz ability. All the Epson, Mitsubishi, Panasonic etc projectors are using D7 or D7'.

[Ohlson]

madshi
Are you suprised that the 120Hz technology is not put to use for black frame insertion or dark frame insertion?

[Drexler]

Isn't black frame insertion killing lumens? The predecessor TW2000 (1080UB) didn't have that many to begin with (@D65) so it might not be such a great idea...