Official OPPO BDP-83 Owner's Thread [technical talk only]

[CptBlackadder]

Another seller of multiregion BDP-83's: Custom HT. This one is located in the U.S. (and offers many additional mods for the Oppo). The MR mod seems a tad less comfortable because you have to power down the player when switching BD zones: http://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubb...6096#Post96096

[Jim Hef]

I received an email from Spears & Munsil that stated the blue filters are now in stock, and they will be mailed to each customer by the end of July. Nice!

[JohnHWman]

Originally Posted by CptBlackadder

Modded firmware will be available for download soon, for further information look here: Oppo BDP-83 REGION FREE Thread

The wait is over, 430 and 601 (Beta) regionfree and codefree Oppo firmwares are available for download at :

For 430 :
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zcjmmw...0-codefree.zip
or
http://rapidshare.com/files/24628421...0-codefree.zip

For 601 Beta :
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yimzmd...1-codefree.zip
or
http://rapidshare.com/files/24628472...1-codefree.zip

Or both firmwares available at : http://www.codefreedvd.com/dvd_oppo_..._firmware.html

Enjoy !

First review/tests available here : http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/v...3997&start=608 (in french, sorry !)

John

[rajivarora]

Originally Posted by EWL5

BM in the Oppo should only work on the PCM destined for the analog out conversion and not for the PCM going over HDMI.

The topic under discussion is the effect of channel trim on the analog multichannel outputs, when SACD audio is set to DSD.

[fitzcaraldo215]

Originally Posted by dalegg

I know this has nothing to do with my Oppo 83 but neither do dead horses or chickens.

I was watching Flight of the Phoenix last night because I had read it was a good movie for lfe. It was, maybe too much.

When the fuel dump exploded, my APC H10 Power Conditioner shut the whole system down with the red "overload" light on. My speakers are MK750 both front and surround and the sub is a MK 1250. The volume level was set for normal conversation.

Is this a normal occurrence? My gf thought I had blown up the house.

Sounds like you are running your sub power through the conditioner and overloading it. If I were you, I would plug it straight into the wall.

[stillanalog]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

All Channel Trims occur after all other audio processing has been performed.

Thanks, but I am puzzled by the FAQ. Your comment about trims occurring after other audio processing seems to imply that if I set speakers in the Oppo to small, and boost the SW, I will be boosting steered bass incorrectly. In other words, I would have to leave speakers on large in the Oppo (my prepro has no analog control - so I would have to leave all speakers on large). In the FAQ (see below) the "note" seems to agree with my understanding of the above, while another section right below it seems to say that steered bass is attenuated (i.e., cut) and that therefore trimming (boosting) the SW in the Oppo is o.k. Am I just not understanding? Thanks again. I am trying to decide today whether to buy now or wait a bit.

From FAQ:

1) Note

Simply raising the subwoofer volume trim by 10dB after bass steering is not the same thing. Yes, it boosts the LFE component the correct amount, but it also incorrectly boosts steered bass by an extra 10dB.


2) What to do if the receiver is not flexible enough to handle LFE levels properly?

Speaker trim can be used to workaround receivers that do not boost the LFE input. This is because the redirected bass from the main channels is attenuated before it is mixed with the LFE signal. The receiver should boost the subwoofer output signal of the player anyway, so applying channel trim to the subwoofer in the player can achieve the same result, although this is not recommended since it defeats the purpose of leaving enough headroom through the interconnect for the subwoofer signal.

[Thunderduck]

Originally Posted by Jim Hef

I received an email from Spears & Munsil that stated the blue filters are now in stock, and they will be mailed to each customer by the end of July. Nice!

Are they referring to customers that bought directly from them? Does this include Oppo customers?

Thanks for the info,

Steve

[Yankeededandy]

Originally Posted by First review/tests available here : [url

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1089&t=29913997&start=608[/url] (in french, sorry !)

John

Pardon my French: If I read this guy's testresults correctly, he got it working based on the 0601 FW. It seems to work just fine. Anybody els here with personal experience?

[dalegg]

Originally Posted by fitzcaraldo215

Sounds like you are running your sub power through the conditioner and overloading it. If I were you, I would plug it straight into the wall.

Good idea but the sub and the surrounds are plugged into the wall. They are across the room from the power conditioner. That even makes it stranger and stranger. Why would the Onkyo, the lcr speakers, the Oppo and a Samsung 58" TV blow the circuit breaker in the conditioner? Must be the Onkyo kicking out too much juice?

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by stillanalog

Thanks, but I am puzzled by the FAQ. Your comment about trims occurring after other audio processing seems to imply that if I set speakers in the Oppo to small, and boost the SW, I will be boosting steered bass incorrectly. In other words, I would have to leave speakers on large in the Oppo (my prepro has no analog control - so I would have to leave all speakers on large). In the FAQ (see below) the "note" seems to agree with my understanding of the above, while another section right below it seems to say that steered bass is attenuated (i.e., cut) and that therefore trimming (boosting) the SW in the Oppo is o.k. Am I just not understanding? Thanks again. I am trying to decide today whether to buy now or wait a bit.

From FAQ:

1) Note

Simply raising the subwoofer volume trim by 10dB after bass steering is not the same thing. Yes, it boosts the LFE component the correct amount, but it also incorrectly boosts steered bass by an extra 10dB.

I believe this note in the FAQs is incorrect and I sent a PM to the author about that last night. If the player has mixed LFE and redirected bass with the proper 10db gap in levels, then you can simply turn up the sub to provide the needed boost at the end. LFE and redirected bass both need to be boosted by 10db (15db with bass management). The Oppo handles this properly. So, you can let it do bass management and do the needed boost in your processor or at the sub.

2) What to do if the receiver is not flexible enough to handle LFE levels properly?

Speaker trim can be used to workaround receivers that do not boost the LFE input. This is because the redirected bass from the main channels is attenuated before it is mixed with the LFE signal. The receiver should boost the subwoofer output signal of the player anyway, so applying channel trim to the subwoofer in the player can achieve the same result, although this is not recommended since it defeats the purpose of leaving enough headroom through the interconnect for the subwoofer signal.

This merely says you can do the boost by increasing the SW output of the player, if needed. But, it's not recommended because that runs counter the purpose of recording LFE 10db low in the first place - the audio may clip during very loud passages.

If you are holding off on getting an Oppo because you fear it won't do proper bass management, there's nothing to worry about. It does correct bass management and outputs the SW channel in need of a 15db boost. The boost can be done in your receiver or at the sub or in some combination of the two. Of course, if you increase the volume at the sub, you will need to recalibrate your digital sources to account for the added SW volume.

[alull]

Originally Posted by Thunderduck

Are they referring to customers that bought directly from them? Does this include Oppo customers?

both--from S&M and the OPPO BDP-83 owners
got the same answer directly from S&M earlier this week.

[JohnHWman]

Originally Posted by Yankeededandy

Pardon my French: If I read this guy's testresults correctly, he got it working based on the 0601 FW. It seems to work just fine.

Yes, now several french users tried it (601FW) and all report plain success
John

[Majestyk]

The wait is over, 430 and 601 (Beta) regionfree and codefree Oppo firmwares are available for download at

So you can install this firmware and play region free DVD's and BD's without any hardware upgrade?

[bjs7]

Originally Posted by dalegg

Good idea but the sub and the surrounds are plugged into the wall. They are across the room from the power conditioner. That even makes it stranger and stranger. Why would the Onkyo, the lcr speakers, the Oppo and a Samsung 58" TV blow the circuit breaker in the conditioner? Must be the Onkyo kicking out too much juice?

More than likely it is the combination of the current draw from the Samsung (plasma I assume?) and Onkyo that tripped your Power Conditioner. I would think that your Onkyo had to be near clipping (drawing max power) for this to happen though...

Did the circuit breaker on the back of the APC H10 actually trip, or did you just get the Overload indication on the front?

-Brian

[JohnHWman]

Originally Posted by Majestyk

So you can install this firmware and play region free DVD's and BD's without any hardware upgrade?

Yes ! Awsome indeed A very smart and free solution !

[DAB]

ajivarora
** I have found the same thing
SACD trim level finding
I know the learned ones on this forum have said, as have Oppo to me via email, that there is absolutely no audio processing on SACD when set to DSD. This is very likely true for speaker size and speaker distance settings, but I can confirm that the channel trim settings do work, not just with the PCM setting as one would expect, but also with the DSD setting. I am not attempting to argue or refute anyone, but just to report my empirical findings. I can hear it, I can hear the levels change as I change the trim settings. In DSD.
****. I have been recalibrating so often lately. I am not sure where I am. {Just to test different set up- I have a very basic 5.1 system} With using Ent-In pass through in AVR/pre/pro.

2. I am curious why L/R speakers to Large here? [I am familiar with pro/cons&realities] Your speakers must be pretty good full range speakers- I’ll see what mine hear like. Over the weekend.

3. Interesting I have Wall-E and haven’t thought to us its Calibration test tones. I’ll try also.
4. We need to be clear on the fact we are using MCA (Muti-channel-Analog) or the D2ch. When referencing our set ups. S/PDIF is a separate set up also. [HDMI is Video only here]
5. I set my Oppo to 0 sub trim. And +dB on sub knob.
db
Beta Teater #9

[gsr]

Originally Posted by kingfats

No shipping to the US i'm afraid.

I sent them a message asking about this. Henry replied back saying that after the initial rush of local orders have been handled, he'll put up an option on the site for shipping to the US. He figured it would be a week or 2.

[Jim Hef]

Originally Posted by Thunderduck

Are they referring to customers that bought directly from them? Does this include Oppo customers?....

An earlier email said that all the Oppo customers would be getting the filter when it was available. I'm not sure who will be doing the mailing...S&M delivers to Oppo to send out, or Oppo gives the mailing list to S&M.

[PooperScooper]

Originally Posted by Jim Hef

An earlier email said that all the Oppo customers would be getting the filter when it was available. I'm not sure who will be doing the mailing...S&M delivers to Oppo to send out, or Oppo gives the mailing list to S&M.

S&M does no distribution. From their site: Available from Amazon.com, OPPO Digital, CRT Projectors (UK) and AV Science.

larry

[stillanalog]

Thanks BIslander (re:"But, it's not recommended because that runs counter the purpose of recording LFE 10db low in the first place - the audio may clip during very loud passages. " ) My issue is that I have no processing whatsoever on my pre-pro of analog signals. As you say I could turn up the sub. But one (hopefully) last question: According to my Pre-pro's manufacturer there would be no problem on the processor end as it is completely pass thru, and they didn't think the interconnect would be an issue. Is the interconnect really a weak point? What if I use a 'garden hose size' interconnect?

[AaronG]

Will the code free/region free firmware allow you to upconvert DVDs to 1080i over component?

Thanks

[rwestley]

I know this region free download link has been posted before with other links. I am posting this one again since it is the direct one and contains no spyware or other junk.

http://www.codefreedvd.com/dvd_oppo_..._firmware.html


You must install the the Oppo firmware first before you install the multiregion firmware. Instructions are in the Zip file.

They have links to both the official and beta firmwares.

[snowghost]

Originally Posted by rwestley

You must install the the Oppo firmware first before you install the multiregion firmware. Instructions are in the Zip file.

They have links to both the official and beta firmwares.

Maybe a dumb question, but I've not really been a big buyer of movies until HD and BD. I understand the studio's rationale for Region specific discs, but that being said, what does MRD capability do for us here in the US? It seems that pretty much everything is released here???

[Smarty-pants]

It seems that pretty much everything is released here???

Think again...

[rwestley]

Some of use enjoy special versions of disks not released in the US in both SD or Blu-Ray format. If you have no interest in these disks I would not even consider installing the multi-region firmware. It is also not true that everything is released in the US. I was just over in Europe and I picked up several SD films that are not available in the US.

[alull]

also, some North American studios might feel threatened by excellent foreign releases (Hong Kong, Japan and France come to mind).

[snowghost]

Originally Posted by alull

also, some north american studios might feel threatened by some excellent foreign releases (Hong Kong, France, and Japan come to mind).

Originally Posted by rwestley

Some of use enjoy special versions of disks not released in the US in both SD or Blu-Ray format. If you have no interest in these disks I would not even consider installing the multi-region firmware. It is also not true that everything is released in the US. I was just over in Europe and I picked up several SD films that are not available in the US.

Yeah that makes sense. Thanks.

[Majestyk]

You must install the the Oppo firmware first before you install the multiregion firmware. Instructions are in the Zip file.

I'm not sure I get that. I mean the Oppo firmware is already installed. Why install it again?

[sblasl]

Duh, never mind, figured it out...

What is the difference between the two?

Originally Posted by Majestyk

So you can install this firmware and play region free DVD's and BD's without any hardware upgrade?

Originally Posted by JohnHWman

Yes ! Awsome indeed A very smart and free solution !

[mrcarnut]

This may not be the appropriate place to ask this question so I applogize if it is not. I have a Harmony 550 and I have tried to program it so when I select watch DVD or listen to CD (For SACD and DVD-A) it does not start automatically on start up. I have set the remote on the Harmony site to not start and adjusted the delays (500ms) but it still always starts the disc when I select one of the commands. Has anyone experienced this and found a fix for it? Also if I have the player on as a result of loading a disc and select one of the activities the player turns off instead of stays on. I cannot seem to get it to stay on if I load a disc and then select an activity. Any help would be apprecicated. Thanks.