Greek Audio & Video forum AVsite.gr published a brochure with specs and pictures of the new Optoma HD20. It's a full-HD DLP projector that's expected to give the market a stir with its ultra-low price.
You can download the brochure and participate at the ongoing Greek & English discussion here (a free subscription is required).
Thanks for the tip. I'm very interested in the next round of product updates from Optoma, Infocus, and Panasonic (others too). I have high expectations for the next 3-4 months that the under $1200 projector market will heat up with innovative options.
I don't have any inside info... just hopes and dreams.
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Originally Posted by Max Headroom /forum/post/16640695
Greek Audio & Video forum AVsite.gr published a brochure with specs and pictures of the new Optoma HD20. It's a full-HD DLP projector that's expected to give the market a stir with its ultra-low price.
You can download the brochure and participate at the ongoing Greek & English discussion here (a free subscription is required).
It looks like the HD20 brochure says basically the same thing about CR as the HD86 brochure and I addressed that over in the thread about the HD86 on the >$3k forum. I'll just post a link to that for the long version:
For a short version, if people claim that ANSI CR tells the CR that people will get in the real world with real content, I think people should ask them how they came to that conclusion, how CRT front projectors do for perception of blacks in the real world with lots of various real content, how earlier digitals have done for perception of blacks in the real world with lots of various content in comparison, and then how CRTs do for ANSI CR (they are amongst the worst for ANSI CR in case anybody doesn't know that).
As far as the HD20, the specs say 500:1 ANSI CR vs 700:1 for the HD86. I wonder if that is really the case. Based on the lens they show it could be from that. I wonder how these do for on/off CR. They don't spec it, but despite any claims trying to disparage on/off CR, the fact is that it is relevant to real content and it would be interesting to know what it is. Native for the HD20 and both native and dynamic for the HD86.
Wow, ive never seen a manufacturer state ansi contrast. I am extremely glad Optoma is starting to use ANSI and not the worthless on/off. Good job Optoma.
Wow. I'm assuming you are serious about "the worthless on/off" and not joking because you realize how wrong that is. Other than some ignorant kid in Australia claiming things like that in an article, how did you get to that conclusion? I assume it wasn't by comparing things like with CRTs that have poor ANSI CR and high on/off CR to see what happens with real video.
If on/off CR is worthless, then why have TI and Optoma been working to improve it? Or do you think the biggest CR improvements from TI and Optoma have been to ANSI CR? They had big ANSI CR years ago. What is the point of Optoma's implementation of DynamicBlack if on/off CR is worthless?
If your position is that on/off CR specs are worthless then that has some validity in the same way that all things that aren't true are worthless (manufacturers can lie) and that using modes that aren't calibrated isn't really relevant to what people will get in calibrated modes (the same thing applies to other specs), or if it is that dynamic on/off CR isn't the same as native on/off CR of the same amount then that has validity, but if you think that real on/off CR is worthless to real video, then you have a lot to learn.
I'm amazed at the number of people who don't seem to understand that the black pedestal that images are built upon is relevant to real video and not just the washout effect that ANSI CR mostly measures. Especially when the ANSI CR test is so much different than even average images (ANSI checkerboards are very bright compared to average images, let alone dark images).
Darin, I do agree that true on/off contrast ratio is important. I was talking about the useless specs that manufacturers exploit super high on/off contrast ratios, when in reality, a properly calibrated and tweaked projector wont come near the claimed spec. There are however a few rare occasions where its close. Now for how important on/off ansi contrast is, thats all opinion. Manufacturers are most likely trying to improve on on/off contrast to make their spec numbers biger so that people will read their spec sheet and go, "Wow!, 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio!", when in reality, that spec is completely worthless when calibrated to D65. To me, Ansi contrast is more important. I see a huge difference in picture when I compare a low ANSI contrast projector to a higher ANSI contrast projector. The color jump out at you and in a scene with blacks and whites, the blacks are nice and inky, while a lower ANSI picture results in grayish blacks.
The 5 year color quality guarantee is interesting, as well. I don't recall this being offered on other lower end Optoma projectors, unless it's something I had overlooked. I was ready to pull the trigger on the Tiger Direct X10 deal, but I'd like to see what new models like the HD20 lie on the horizon.
Where's Guitarman when you need him with some info on the HD20?
I am really looking forward to some more information on this as I am ready to buy something but don't want to jump before some new pjs are released. Come on Guitarman chime in
Found this quote at hometheaterprojector.org, for whatever it's worth - "Optoma HD20 has somehow found a competition in InFocus IN82 because they have generally similar specifications and they offer the same quality performance in Media Projection."
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Found this quote at hometheaterprojector.org, for whatever it's worth - "Optoma HD20 has somehow found a competition in InFocus IN82 because they have generally similar specifications and they offer the same quality performance in Media Projection."
Not a bad price after currency conversion, from that retailer which shall not be named; particularly if the HD20 is comparable to the IN82 in presentation. I like the fact that it offers 2 HDMI 1.3 inputs. Now if we can just get a clarification on the offset...
That's the same projector? Nothing is listed on Optoma website. Whatever it is, it has some impressive specs for the price: 1080P, 1,500 lumens, 4,000hrs lamp. One area of concern is the light weight of 6.4lb.
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That's the same projector? Nothing is listed on Optoma website. Whatever it is, it has some impressive specs for the price: 1080P, 1,500 lumens, 4,000hrs lamp.
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Originally Posted by DooLocsta /forum/post/16660659
I am really looking forward to some more information on this as I am ready to buy something but don't want to jump before some new pjs are released. Come on Guitarman chime in
Ok I found out they will be out in 2 months, Best Buys will even have them. Details I got is Full 1080p, 1700lumens, 230watt lamp, RGB/RGB colorwheel 4x speed, white projector somewhat small a little larger than the HD65. My friend says I'm first in line for a machine to review here. Oh the price isn't set yet. They may stay close to the competitors machines, don't know just guessing.
I'm hoping it's low like the speculation one can only hope, I could use one also.
How can the big retailer sell something that's not even on Optoma website? LED projectors are not going to be affordable for at least a few models. So far there is none.
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Originally Posted by guitarman /forum/post/16669479
Ok I found out they will be out in 2 months, Best Buys will even have them. Details I got is Full 1080p, 1700lumens, 230watt lamp, RGB/RGB colorwheel 4x speed, white projector somewhat small a little larger than the HD65. My friend says I'm first in line for a machine to review here. Oh the price isn't set yet. They may stay close to the competitors machines, don't know just guessing.
I'm hoping it's low like the speculation one can only hope, I could use one also.
If it retails for $1599 at Best Buy, we should be able to find one for @ $1,000 when they come out. Looking forward to the reviews!
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