Manhunter ! (and two other movies)

Maestro J · 09-16-09, 09:31 AM

So Manhunter is theatrical version in this release, correct?

worth · 09-16-09, 10:24 AM

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So Manhunter is theatrical version in this release, correct?

I didn't watch the whole film through, but it would appear to be the theatrical cut.

stwrt · 09-16-09, 11:45 AM

The Japanese early DVD release has the following lines around 1hr 33.50:

Will Graham: "As a child, my heart bleeds for him. Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult... as an adult, he's irredeemable. He butchers whole families to fulfill some sick fantasy. As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick **** out of his socks. "

It's a big ask but could someone who has the Blu-Ray release check to see if it contains those lines ? my guess is - like with most of the other numerous DVD releases - it's been cut.

worth · 09-16-09, 11:59 AM

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The Japanese early DVD release has the following lines around 1hr 33.50:

Will Graham: "As a child, my heart bleeds for him. Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult... as an adult, he's irredeemable. He butchers whole families to fulfill some sick fantasy. As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick **** out of his socks. "

It's a big ask but could someone who has the Blu-Ray release check to see if it contains those lines ? my guess is - like with most of the other numerous DVD releases - it's been cut.

Yes, that's in there. That's actually the scene that made me suspect it is the original theatrical edit.

stwrt · 09-16-09, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by worth

Yes, that's in there. That's actually the scene that made me suspect it is the original theatrical edit.

Many thanks, worth, and that makes it a very interesting choice on the part of, I assume, Michael Mann.

dvdmike007 · 09-16-09, 01:35 PM

Any Idea of region locks ?

tkbryant · 09-16-09, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by S-Blu

You can buy Hannibal and Red Dragon seperately from Australia. I only have Red Dragon at the moment, it has everything from the 2 disc set, except the trailers. Picture and sound are pretty cool. Although Universal used the MPEG 4 AVC format for the video encode. I thought they preferred VC-1!

Region free? What's a good site for Aussie imports? I want both! What's the audio codec used?

DM2006RI · 09-16-09, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stwrt

Many thanks, worth, and that makes it a very interesting choice on the part of, I assume, Michael Mann.

I don't think Mann had much to do with this release. Like you said, MGM issued his theatrical cut overseas on DVD years ago -- the Japanese Region 3 DVD I watched was the best version (and best looking version) of the movie in standard-def I had seen. This seems to have been sourced directly from that master. Looks and sounds great, and it's the superior version of the film (IMO) too.

On the downside it has none of the extras from the OOP Anchor Bay edition, but that's to be expected.

Weirdly, the HANNIBAL in this set is MPEG-2 and 25gb, with nothing extra on it at all either, for those who care about it (not my favorite, that's for sure!).

GizmoDVD · 09-16-09, 03:44 PM

Hannibal was likely prepared in 2007 by MGM and shelved until now (like SOTL).

Dave Mack · 09-16-09, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cardaway

Everytime I see this comment I wonder what people are seeing that I am not. Not only does Lecter not get that much screen time, when he does, Cox is actually quite the wimp. First time I saw the movie (before reading Red Dragon, or seeing Silence with Hopkins) I was wondering how that guy was a big deal. Not intimidating at all in any way.

Fully agreed. I would feel really spooked standing next to Hopkins if he were in his Lecter mode but the way Cox plays him, my 78 year old mom who bakes cookies looks like she could take him out. Not knocking his acting at all. He is great but a horrible choice to play that character imho... Not scary or intimidating whatseover.

FoxyMulder · 09-16-09, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack

Fully agreed. I would feel really spooked standing next to Hopkins if he were in his Lecter mode but the way Cox plays him, my 78 year old mom who bakes cookies looks like she could take him out. Not knocking his acting at all. He is great but a horrible choice to play that character imho... Not scary or intimidating whatseover.

Thats the thing about serial killers. They are very ordinary normal people who you could stand next to in the street and not have a clue what they did and he wouldn't be scary or intimidating at all.

For movies Hopkins obviously fits the stereotype but in reality a serial killer is more like Cox.

Dave Mack · 09-16-09, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder

Thats the thing about serial killers. They are very ordinary normal people who you could stand next to in the street and not have a clue what they did and he wouldn't be scary or intimidating at all.

For movies Hopkins obviously fits the stereotype but in reality a serial killer is more like Cox.

true but it's a stylized movie, not a documentary.

dvdmike007 · 09-16-09, 06:20 PM

My mate's copy turned up ! from what he said, some nice natural grain going on

Matt_Stevens · 09-16-09, 06:32 PM

I have to go rob a store for this one. Don't want to pay for all three.

cardaway · 09-16-09, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack

Fully agreed. I would feel really spooked standing next to Hopkins if he were in his Lecter mode but the way Cox plays him, my 78 year old mom who bakes cookies looks like she could take him out. Not knocking his acting at all. He is great but a horrible choice to play that character imho... Not scary or intimidating whatseover.

Exactly. And it must be something with Cox because I feel the same way abotu the supposed scary guys he plays in X2 and the Bourne movies.

dvdmike007 · 09-16-09, 06:39 PM

I will pay for all 3 and use the other two as coasters just for Manhunter

cardaway · 09-16-09, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by worth

Yes, that's in there. That's actually the scene that made me suspect it is the original theatrical edit.

Again, there actually was a similar DVD, in the same kind of box set, that was indeed the true theatrical edition. Given that, it's no surprise that this too is the true theatrical cut.

Problem being when, if ever, will this be released on it's own so people can finally get a US version of the true theatrical cut without having to buy the other two movies.

I too will likely pick up the set when it gets cheap because I don't have the other two movies on BD yet. Don't want to given the low quality of the other 2 BD's, but it's pretty damn unlikely there will ever be a Manhunter seperate release on BD. There wasn't for the same DVD, and that's been out for years now.

AlexBC · 09-16-09, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dvdmike007

My mate's copy turned up ! from what he said, some nice natural grain going on

That's not what I'm seeing on the picture at all. It looks like some heavy filtering was applied.

DasRaven · 09-16-09, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dvdmike007

I will pay for all 3 and use the other two as coasters just for Manhunter

If that's the case, I'll gladly take your Hannibal copy off you for a fair price.
Seriously, I was about to do the same and resell SoTL (already own) and Manhunter (not a fan).

Matt_Stevens · 09-16-09, 10:35 PM

It does look low pass filtered. But one shot isn't enough to tell. We need multiple grabs to get an idea.

rdgrimes · 09-16-09, 11:10 PM

Just watched Manhunter clear through. PQ is excellent with some scene variations as is expected. Manhunter fans will be pleased. I give it a 4 out of 5 for PQ. AQ is a disappointment, almost nothing in surround channels or sub. It basically sounds like the original Dolby Surround 2.0 sound track. This is clearly a low-budget release, no extras and minimal packaging. But it would have been nice if they took the time to spruce up the audio.

stwrt · 09-17-09, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexBC

That's not what I'm seeing on the picture at all. It looks like some heavy filtering was applied.

You would hardly get the skin texture on William Petersen's face if some heavy filtering had been applied - or are you talking about the intentionally out-of focus background (are we now getting people complaining about DNR filtering on out-of focus stuff ?).

dvdmike007 · 09-17-09, 04:33 AM

Just watched a bit of it, and its miles better than his shot shows, will try and get him to do a better pic

S-Blu · 09-17-09, 10:06 AM

For those that are interested, Red Dragon and Hannibal are available in Australia seperately. Red Dragon has everything from the 2 disc dvd minus the trailers, has an MPEG 4 encode and dts-hd ma and is region free. Hannibal has nearly everything from the disc dvd minus the multi angle featurettes and trailers. Hannibal has a VC-1 encode and dts-hd ma soundtrack. They can be bought from these websites:
www.ezydvd.com.au
www.jbhifionline.com.au

AlexBC · 09-17-09, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stwrt

are we now getting people complaining about DNR filtering on out-of focus stuff ?

Soft Focus and DNR are very different things, with different inherent textures. Soft focus or not grain would still have to be there.

While I'd like to see more caps, and it could be just that one shot (I doubt it though), but there's clear smearing going on in there.

worth · 09-17-09, 01:28 PM

The disc isn't smeary at all. There's a fair amount of natural-looking grain throughout and no obvious evidence of DNR or any sort of digital processing to my eyes, and I'm very sensitive to NR.

dvdmike007 · 09-17-09, 03:11 PM

There is plenty of grain,

tkbryant · 09-17-09, 04:14 PM

I ordered Red Dragon & Hannibal from Amazon/UK last night. The U.S. Fox release of Hannibal is good but I'm hoping that the BD-50 UK Universal release beats it.... I did see some compression noise in one or 2 shots of the U.S. release but other than that it looked great. The DTS-MA track had some punch.

Damnationdoormat · 09-17-09, 04:46 PM

Meh, doesn't look that good at all to me.

Darth Lavender · 09-17-09, 04:48 PM

You can find full size screenshots of both the German and the very similar but not identical UK release here...

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=71404

http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/arc...pressions.html

Was there much/any grain in the US blu-ray?

Looks like all the releases are a little bit soft. So, either DNR was applied to the original master or this is a very soft film. (Although, in my limited experience, 'soft' film-stock is usually also grainy film-stock...)

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stwrt Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 86	The Japanese early DVD release has the following lines around 1hr 33.50: Will Graham: "As a child, my heart bleeds for him. Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult... as an adult, he's irredeemable. He butchers whole families to fulfill some sick fantasy. As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick **** out of his socks. " It's a big ask but could someone who has the Blu-Ray release check to see if it contains those lines ? my guess is - like with most of the other numerous DVD releases - it's been cut.

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rdgrimes AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Nuevo Mexico Posts: 7,064	Just watched Manhunter clear through. PQ is excellent with some scene variations as is expected. Manhunter fans will be pleased. I give it a 4 out of 5 for PQ. AQ is a disappointment, almost nothing in surround channels or sub. It basically sounds like the original Dolby Surround 2.0 sound track. This is clearly a low-budget release, no extras and minimal packaging. But it would have been nice if they took the time to spruce up the audio. __________________ Oppo Blu Beta Group

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S-Blu Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 22	For those that are interested, Red Dragon and Hannibal are available in Australia seperately. Red Dragon has everything from the 2 disc dvd minus the trailers, has an MPEG 4 encode and dts-hd ma and is region free. Hannibal has nearly everything from the disc dvd minus the multi angle featurettes and trailers. Hannibal has a VC-1 encode and dts-hd ma soundtrack. They can be bought from these websites: www.ezydvd.com.au www.jbhifionline.com.au

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Damnationdoormat AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,716	Meh, doesn't look that good at all to me.

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