Braveheart comparison PIX

bplewis24 · 09-07-09, 09:35 AM

Yes, have them show the screen caps. All it takes is a few pictures.

Brandon

Whiggles · 09-07-09, 11:03 AM

My review of the BRAVEHEART BD:

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id...raveheart.html

HVisone · 09-07-09, 12:14 PM

Excellent review I thought of the history...although it strikes me as funny that 'freedom" is such a battle cry in movies like Alexanader and Braveheart, when it is obviously intended to strike a chord with a modern audience, that would never have been understood at all in those times, and I doubt that it would have ever have been utterred in the context (except maybe as "freedom for Scotland from English rule").

Saw the blu ray last night.

Clear computer glitch somewhere in the processing as noted in the other thread on "degradation"-Was not too noticeable as it was mostly in the background, but it should have been an easy fix----unless it was a poor attempt to correct some problem with that reel of film.

it was so good to see a transfer where someone was doing their best to reproduce the negative image, rather than add pop, or pomp, or more detail, or to try to ascertain the director's true intent, but simply tried to just reproduce what was on the negative. Frankly given the colors and change from the std dvd, i think they clearly went back to the negatives (or "positive" negatives) to make this blu ray.

Galdiator?? you were too kind. Still think the best choice out there for one my very fav movies is the region 2 super bit (and to see that movie, is what lead me to go to the expense of buying a region free player back then--which you used to be able to get at us army px--because the troops could then take it and play dvds from the world over, and do so in all sorts of locations and tvs)

One player for one movie!!!

and then they do "blu ray gladiator"--anyway better not continue, or I will get a "forever and always" ban from mods

Already banned from the gladiator thread......

Edit--BTW- Scotland landscape is (in places) an incredible green color that you have to see in person to have an idea....the blu ray is very good, the actual is overwhelming-------There was criticism of Enemy at the Gates as lacking pop and color. I have been there in the summer and the colors are stunning!!!!!!! But I have also been there in December and everything is grey--almost a black and white.....and that is when the battle took place.....so being acurrate in history and PQ is not always well received......

Ub3r-L33ch · 09-07-09, 12:19 PM

You gotta be shitting me, this is fu**ing amazing!
I've never seen such a drastic improvement from DVD to HD.
This is the stuff that people need to see to understand why HD is so good.
I'm definitely getting this movie sometime soon.

FoxyMulder · 09-07-09, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianSallot

I remember seeing this film in the theaters and I can tell you that without a doubt they did NOT show her throat getting cut. It remained out of frame and I thought it was a good decision from Gibson as this is after all a love story. I think it would have cheapened the scene. Also I did have the LD again at least in the US version the cut was never shown.

Yep and it works better that way because her reaction to it is pure shock and you can see it in her face. Showing the actual throat slit would have ruined that moment. When i first saw the movie i thought it a very powerful scene and it still is to this day a powerful scene.

People always remember things which aren't there.

Being Scottish i love the word Freedom and it does indeed strike a chord with me especially if you know your history. This film of course takes some liberties with history but which historical film doesn't.

x43x · 09-07-09, 12:47 PM

I can remember seeing this in the theater and I swear they showed her throat getting slit. I can remember thinking that I can't believe they showed that and how gruesome it was, showing the slice and a lot of blood flowing out, with the look in her eyes heart wrenching. When the dvd finally came out I was prepared for that scene but when it finally came, I thought it seemed a little watered down from what I remembered from the theater. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I always thought that, and this is the first time I've heard of such an edit.

FoxyMulder · 09-07-09, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HVisone

Edit--BTW- Scotland landscape is (in places) an incredible green color that you have to see in person to have an idea....the blu ray is very good, the actual is overwhelming-------There was criticism of Enemy at the Gates as lacking pop and color. I have been there in the summer and the colors are stunning!!!!!!! But I have also been there in December and everything is grey--almost a black and white.....and that is when the battle took place.....so being acurrate in history and PQ is not always well received......

Yah i'll probably get banned from the Gladiator thread soon myself.

I think some or a substantial portion of the movie was filmed in Ireland because they were able to use the Irish army and got some tax perks.

The scenery around Fort William and up that way is similiar to what you see in Braveheart. Here in the Borders it's less like that but still scenic.

William Wallace is a hero in Scotland and has his own statue but i think they still regard him as a terrorist down in England or the history books do. Not sure but i think that. I watched the film in England with i would presume an English audience. They all seemed to enjoy the picture.

HVisone · 09-07-09, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder

Yah i'll probably get banned from the Gladiator thread soon myself.

I think some or a substantial portion of the movie was filmed in Ireland because they were able to use the Irish army and got some tax perks.

The scenery around Fort William and up that way is similiar to what you see in Braveheart. Here in the Borders it's less like that but still scenic.

William Wallace is a hero in Scotland and has his own statue but i think they still regard him as a terrorist down in England or the history books do. Not sure but i think that. I watched the film in England with i would presume an English audience. They all seemed to enjoy the picture.

Actually I was talking about being in Russia during the summer and then in late November and early December and the difference in colors because of the sun. Only been in Scotland in early summer and it was incredible (at least that is my memory). I would think parts of Ireland would be the same.
Sort of like Hawaiian Islands and even the Pacific Ocean around Hawaii, pictures do not do these places justice. The photos are a faint image of the real deal.

BTW-the look on the face is the focus of the scene and getting carried away with the focus on the knife, takes away from the focus being on her face and the cruel horror of such behavior from "nobles", who usually got to be so "noble" by being the nastiest jerk and thief around.

MovieSwede · 09-07-09, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder

William Wallace is a hero in Scotland and has his own statue but i think they still regard him as a terrorist down in England or the history books do. Not sure but i think that. I watched the film in England with i would presume an English audience. They all seemed to enjoy the picture.

I would think that so many hundred of years later people would have some fresh perspective on this matter.

If we put history aside, its easy to feel sympathy with William Wallace in this movie. The reluctant underdog story always work.

JeffY · 09-07-09, 02:39 PM

The English public always side with the underdog, even when hes a Scotish terrorist.

Beta Tester · 09-07-09, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder

William Wallace is a hero in Scotland and has his own statue

I remember the tour guide pointing out the statue, but I hadn't seen Braveheart back then and didn't know who he was. We also drove by the approximate area where they did the filming, and I don't recall it looking anywhere as green or lush as the movie because the summer I was there was the worst drought in a century, and the tour buses didn't have air-conditioning because it's not ususally needed. There was water rationing but it didn't apply to hotels, so we felt kind of guilty and took quick showers.

FoxyMulder · 09-07-09, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta Tester

I remember the tour guide pointing out the statue, but I hadn't seen Braveheart back then and didn't know who he was. We also drove by the approximate area where they did the filming, and I don't recall it looking anywhere as green or lush as the movie because the summer I was there was the worst drought in a century, and the tour buses didn't have air-conditioning because it's not ususally needed. There was water rationing but it didn't apply to hotels, so we felt kind of guilty and took quick showers.

Gee these last two years have been pretty bad for sunshine and summer. We got most of the sunshine this year in April/May. Maybe it's global warming or something but July hasn't been as sunny and summer seems to have come earlier the last few years. reasonably warm though and still is and it's September. A Drought in Scotland is rare. I must have been too busy with the five fans pointing at me to notice.

I don't actually believe in man made global warming. I think it's a planetary natural cycle thing. Mind you recycling and conserving energy still needs to be done.

The statue is in Stirling and he doesn't look like Mel

They probably filmed some of Highlander up that way back in the eighties and Rob Roy in the nineties.

Beta Tester · 09-07-09, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder

Gee these last two years have been pretty bad for sunshine and summer. We got most of the sunshine this year in April/May. Maybe it's global warming or something but July hasn't been as sunny and summer seems to have come earlier the last few years. reasonably warm though and still is and it's September. A Drought in Scotland is rare. I must have been too busy with the five fans pointing at me to notice.

I don't actually believe in man made global warming. I think it's a planetary natural cycle thing. Mind you recycling and conserving energy still needs to be done.

The statue is in Stirling and he doesn't look like Mel

They probably filmed some of Highlander up that way back in the eighties and Rob Roy in the nineties.

I was there the same year that Braveheart was released, or perhaps the year after.

I think my greatest impression was of Ireland. Everyone kept telling me how green it is, but there was nothing green when I was there. The one thing that stood out though is everyone was so young - I kept thinking, what do they do to the old folks?

Rachael Bellomy · 09-07-09, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta Tester

I was there the same year that Braveheart was released, or perhaps the year after.

I think my greatest impression was of Ireland. Everyone kept telling me how green it is, but there was nothing green when I was there. The one thing that stood out though is everyone is so young - I kept thinking, what do they do to the old folks?

I've never been to Erie but I can't imagine it looking like west Texas. It must'a been a tiny bit greenish...?

Milt99 · 09-07-09, 07:55 PM

I had not seen Brave Heart or Gladiator in quite some time. I have however seen Gladiator many more times than Brave Heart and more recently.
I always thought I preferred Gladiator as a film until I watched both BRs this weekend.
While I do love Gladiator as a movie there is one thing I absolutely hate about it.
The nano-edits in the fight scenes and stay with me here, the lack of gore.
Every hack, thrust, chop, upper-cut you name it is shown for a nano-second and then bang!, cut to another angle.
To me it's become f'ing annoying and a real cop out on Scott's part.

Say what you want about Mel Gibson's as a person, but he is one hell of filmmaker, imo.
He doesn't compromise on realism no matter what the effect on the rating or a potential narrowing of the audience.
As you all know, Brave Heart is rated R for Brutal Medieval Violence and that about says it all.
Gladiator was wimpified solely for the box office.

Now gore is not the point of either of these movies but it is an integral part of the plot-lines and times when the films take place.
If I'm going to watch a film featuring old time battles scenes I want it to be "realistic" even if it is a bit uncomfortable to watch at times.
It's like watching Happy Days with Potsy and the gang sporting 1975 haircuts.

union1411 · 09-07-09, 09:06 PM

PQ was terrific

sounds was ok, definitely not demo material

movie itself wasn't very good in my opinion. had never seen it before. it drags too much and is cheesey. POTC and Apocalypto were much much better.

FoxyMulder · 09-08-09, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Beta Tester

The one thing that stood out though is everyone was so young - I kept thinking, what do they do to the old folks?

Watch Soylent Green and that will answer your question for you.

mhafner · 09-08-09, 05:10 AM

Damn, it's mouth watering if they do it right, is it not?
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/protectedi...maxheight=true
Yeah, that's what this original 35mm negative in 1080p 4:2:0 HD and with good compression looks like. The only thing that could be improved is some manual removal of speckles, frame by frame. I don't mind they left it in. Looks like film. Compare that to the Gladiator travesty.

SoCal71RS · 09-08-09, 04:01 PM

I watched it twice this weekend. Absolutely fantastic!!!

Baenwort · 09-08-09, 08:42 PM

Well, I just got a email from Paramount about the email I sent them about the first 22 min of the movie. They asked what player and firmware I was using and that is it so far. Hopefully they will figure out they have a problem and issue new disks.

bplewis24 · 09-08-09, 10:41 PM

All they said to me was "thanks for your comments." If you plan on replying to them, make sure they know it happens on all players so far (I'm assuming, right?) including my PS3.

Brandon

Xylon · 09-09-09, 06:46 AM

Snow Leopard f***** one of my workstations.

Apple sucks.

Baenwort · 09-09-09, 12:12 PM

I let them know it happens on my BD30 and also on the PS3(I didn't tell them I did not own the PS3) we will see if they reply back. It took them a week to reply to the first email.

emgesp · 09-09-09, 11:08 PM

I have a request for Xylon. I'd like to see a comparison of a closeup scene of the King at the 19:32 mark.

Thanks.

emgesp · 09-09-09, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by union1411

movie itself wasn't very good in my opinion. had never seen it before. it drags too much and is cheesey. POTC and Apocalypto were much much better.

I hope this was a joke.

Blasst · 09-09-09, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta Tester

The one thing that stood out though is everyone was so young - I kept thinking, what do they do to the old folks?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxyMulder

Watch Soylent Green and that will answer your question for you.

Now thats good for a chuckle.

MEC2 · 09-09-09, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Xylon

Snow Leopard f***** one of my workstations.

Can't be, I've been told Macs are trouble-free!

Get it fixed and gimme some Postman screen comps...

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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder

Being Scottish i love the word Freedom and it does indeed strike a chord with me especially if you know your history.

Absolutely, ask al-Megrahi about Scotland and the word freedom...

AmishFury · 09-10-09, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder

This film of course takes some liberties with history but which historical film doesn't.

The Last Starfighter

MovieSwede · 09-10-09, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Beta Tester

The one thing that stood out though is everyone was so young - I kept thinking, what do they do to the old folks?

People had a nasty habbit of not living as long as we do today.

Healthcare wasnt state of the art.
Battles did have an negative effect on people health.

Dave84 · 09-10-09, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Beta Tester

I was there the same year that Braveheart was released, or perhaps the year after.

I think my greatest impression was of Ireland. Everyone kept telling me how green it is, but there was nothing green when I was there. The one thing that stood out though is everyone was so young - I kept thinking, what do they do to the old folks?

National Health Care quotas?

Rented and watched Braveheart the other night all that can be said about it has already been covered.

I have seen it twice now within a month so I won’t watch it again in either version until I need my next medieval gore fix six months to a year from now.

Being I’m part Scottish myself and it seems mostly the frugal part I may even buy a BD copy down the road if it's on the cheap.

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HVisone Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 136	Excellent review I thought of the history...although it strikes me as funny that 'freedom" is such a battle cry in movies like Alexanader and Braveheart, when it is obviously intended to strike a chord with a modern audience, that would never have been understood at all in those times, and I doubt that it would have ever have been utterred in the context (except maybe as "freedom for Scotland from English rule"). Saw the blu ray last night. Clear computer glitch somewhere in the processing as noted in the other thread on "degradation"-Was not too noticeable as it was mostly in the background, but it should have been an easy fix----unless it was a poor attempt to correct some problem with that reel of film. it was so good to see a transfer where someone was doing their best to reproduce the negative image, rather than add pop, or pomp, or more detail, or to try to ascertain the director's true intent, but simply tried to just reproduce what was on the negative. Frankly given the colors and change from the std dvd, i think they clearly went back to the negatives (or "positive" negatives) to make this blu ray. Galdiator?? you were too kind. Still think the best choice out there for one my very fav movies is the region 2 super bit (and to see that movie, is what lead me to go to the expense of buying a region free player back then--which you used to be able to get at us army px--because the troops could then take it and play dvds from the world over, and do so in all sorts of locations and tvs) One player for one movie!!! and then they do "blu ray gladiator"--anyway better not continue, or I will get a "forever and always" ban from mods Already banned from the gladiator thread...... Edit--BTW- Scotland landscape is (in places) an incredible green color that you have to see in person to have an idea....the blu ray is very good, the actual is overwhelming-------There was criticism of Enemy at the Gates as lacking pop and color. I have been there in the summer and the colors are stunning!!!!!!! But I have also been there in December and everything is grey--almost a black and white.....and that is when the battle took place.....so being acurrate in history and PQ is not always well received...... Last edited by HVisone; 09-07-09 at 12:24 PM..

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Milt99 goober Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West Of California Posts: 2,950	Gladiator vs Brave Heart mini-film review(no PQ stuff) I had not seen Brave Heart or Gladiator in quite some time. I have however seen Gladiator many more times than Brave Heart and more recently. I always thought I preferred Gladiator as a film until I watched both BRs this weekend. While I do love Gladiator as a movie there is one thing I absolutely hate about it. The nano-edits in the fight scenes and stay with me here, the lack of gore. Every hack, thrust, chop, upper-cut you name it is shown for a nano-second and then bang!, cut to another angle. To me it's become f'ing annoying and a real cop out on Scott's part. Say what you want about Mel Gibson's as a person, but he is one hell of filmmaker, imo. He doesn't compromise on realism no matter what the effect on the rating or a potential narrowing of the audience. As you all know, Brave Heart is rated R for Brutal Medieval Violence and that about says it all. Gladiator was wimpified solely for the box office. Now gore is not the point of either of these movies but it is an integral part of the plot-lines and times when the films take place. If I'm going to watch a film featuring old time battles scenes I want it to be "realistic" even if it is a bit uncomfortable to watch at times. It's like watching Happy Days with Potsy and the gang sporting 1975 haircuts. __________________ Blowing off the outside world

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union1411 Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Big Apple Posts: 754	PQ was terrific sounds was ok, definitely not demo material movie itself wasn't very good in my opinion. had never seen it before. it drags too much and is cheesey. POTC and Apocalypto were much much better.

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mhafner AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,059	Damn, it's mouth watering if they do it right, is it not? http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/protectedi...maxheight=true Yeah, that's what this original 35mm negative in 1080p 4:2:0 HD and with good compression looks like. The only thing that could be improved is some manual removal of speckles, frame by frame. I don't mind they left it in. Looks like film. Compare that to the Gladiator travesty.

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