Sim2 Grand Cinema HT6000

GetGray · 08-28-09, 11:01 AM

I received a card a couple days ago for Sim2 at CEDIA. It mentions the new HT6000, MSRP $120,000 (IIRC).

Is this the HT5000 on Lumis steriods? I'd think it to be the machine to have (resources available of course)

I didn't want to bother my Sim2 contacts, I'm sure they are busy getting ready for CEDIA. Anyone have the scoop on this box yet?

Cheers,
Scott

coldmachine · 08-28-09, 11:48 AM

This is one of the main reasons I haven't yet chosen a PJ for my new HT. I've been holding off to see what this would bring to the table.

I cant see that "Lumisizing" an HT5000 would account for anything close to that price jump. I suspect there will be a major lumens hike. Lumis type technology would be nice too.

JlgLaw · 08-28-09, 12:52 PM

It will not have the Lumis technology (which is primarily dynamic black and the DI). It can't, because the 5K utilizes the Delta light engine and the DB and processing were developed for the AlphaPath engine.

Do not expect an "improved" 5K, it will not be there.

Jim

coldmachine · 08-28-09, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JlgLaw

It will not have the Lumis technology (which is primarily dynamic black and the DI). It can't, because the 5K utilizes the Delta light engine and the DB and processing were developed for the AlphaPath engine.

Duhh, what was I thinking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JlgLaw

Do not expect an "improved" 5K, it will not be there.

Interesting.

LJG · 08-28-09, 03:49 PM

Hmm, HT6000 sounds like the rumored xenon model

JlgLaw · 08-28-09, 04:32 PM

The 6000 is definately a dual lamp model, so unless they are using two xenon lamps.....doubtful (but I guess possible).

Jim

thebland · 08-28-09, 04:51 PM

For $120K, it has to have something Earth shattering... or is the euro that bad?

LJG · 08-28-09, 04:57 PM

Isn't $120,000 price tag twice the price of a HT5000?

If its dual lamp then definately not Xenon

javry · 08-28-09, 05:09 PM

that was the original MSRP but I'm guessing the street price is a bit different.

Jason Turk · 08-28-09, 05:44 PM

Yes there is going to be an HT6000. It will be at the show, but only a static display. Last I heard price has yet to be finalized, as are the specs on it, but what has leaked is that it will be dual lamp, will include improved color filtering and include the 235:1 Isco lens and sled (possibly other accessories). It may all ship in a custom road case but that is also not confirmed.
We are all expecting to see a live demo of the new non-HOST Lumis and I'm hoping the "Solar" infinite contrast flat panel will be powered up as well. Their LED projector should make its debut and they will be showing a special 3D demo (which will be totally unique from what I understand). That's a mouthful for one company...kudos to Sim2.

JlgLaw · 08-28-09, 05:58 PM

Well, that answers all the questions!

Jim

Jason Turk · 08-28-09, 06:00 PM

I said it before...though the quantity of stuff will be thin at Cedia, I think the quality will be stellar.

JlgLaw · 08-28-09, 06:00 PM

Regarding the 6000, I've been told $100K (not firm) from day one. I've never heard the $120K number. I guess we'll know soon enough.

Jim

JlgLaw · 08-28-09, 06:01 PM

I would think there would be significant interest in the LED unit.

Jim

Jason Turk · 08-28-09, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JlgLaw

Regarding the 6000, I've been told $100K (not firm) from day one. I've never heard the $120K number. I guess we'll know soon enough.

Jim

Yeah I don't think they even know quite yet....and I agree the LED's should be a big attention getter. We'll just have to see where they work out on a price scale.

Steve Bruzonsky · 08-28-09, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebland

For $120K, it has to have something Earth shattering... or is the euro that bad?

THe price reflects new pricing in anticipation of devaluation of American dollars under the current administration.

Better buy the Lumis while its cheap!

owl1 · 08-28-09, 10:47 PM

Haha! Thanks Steve, this is why the rich get richer. Guess that's the signal to short the market NOW to triple in a couple of years! Hehe. Change, baby, change!

coldmachine · 08-29-09, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Turk

It may all ship in a custom road case but that is also not confirmed.

Nice to see the big boy gets the equivalent of the satin bag.

W.Mayer · 08-29-09, 06:48 AM

how sim2 or a other manufacturers can sale a "home cinema pr." for
mutch more than you have to pay for a "barco cinema pr".???

the talking about 100 or 120k is not the reality at lest not for a 3 chip model.

may they have a new 4 chip design but as far as i know they will not have this.

to many wrong speculations.

Art Sonneborn · 08-29-09, 07:31 AM

Even if we have no products at least we have some nice speculation for a change.

Art

GetGray · 08-29-09, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JlgLaw

Regarding the 6000, I've been told $100K (not firm) from day one. I've never heard the $120K number. I guess we'll know soon enough.

As it's brand new we all know how prices fluctuate. And it may very well settle in a lower price point once it's goes live. But the number I mentioned was right from their material:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sim2USA CEDIA Mailout Card

"The 2009 Sim2 Colection"
From the DOMINO D60 at $5,000, to the mighty Grand Cinema HT6000 at $120,000, this designer collection delivers spectacular performance at every significant price-point....

JlgLaw · 08-29-09, 02:31 PM

Thanks Scott, hadn't seen that.

Jim

Art Sonneborn · 08-30-09, 11:18 AM

The 2009 Sim2 Colection"
From the DOMINO D60 at $5,000, to the mighty Grand Cinema HT6000 at $120,000.

I'm still very interested in what the HT 6000 can do to justify that price. I'm one who will pay for a move up but....

Art

javry · 08-31-09, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Turk

I said it before...though the quantity of stuff will be thin at Cedia, I think the quality will be stellar.

Since it's right down the road from me, my pl;an is to attend. For those that will not be going, I'll report any significant findings, of course.

javry · 08-31-09, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Turk

Yes there is going to be an HT6000. It will be at the show, but only a static display. Last I heard price has yet to be finalized, as are the specs on it, but what has leaked is that it will be dual lamp, will include improved color filtering and include the 235:1 Isco lens and sled (possibly other accessories). It may all ship in a custom road case but that is also not confirmed.
We are all expecting to see a live demo of the new non-HOST Lumis and I'm hoping the "Solar" infinite contrast flat panel will be powered up as well. Their LED projector should make its debut and they will be showing a special 3D demo (which will be totally unique from what I understand). That's a mouthful for one company...kudos to Sim2.

So Jason...are you planning on doing a review any time soon?

RShlansky · 09-06-09, 11:52 AM

How much is the new Lumis (without HOST)

JlgLaw · 09-06-09, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RShlansky

How much is the new Lumis (without HOST)

Should be approx. $35K.

Jim

LJG · 09-10-09, 11:45 AM

Now that Cedia has started can we get full details on the Sim2 HT6000?

Steve Bruzonsky · 09-10-09, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LJG

Now that Cedia has started can we get full details on the Sim2 HT6000?

Oh oh! Lon just put in a new projector. The question is how long before he puts in another state of the art new projector instead??? Any bets, folks??

gamelover360 · 09-10-09, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky

Oh oh! Lon just put in a new projector. The question is how long before he puts in another state of the art new projector instead??? Any bets, folks??

3 years...his PJ is upgradeable and about the best money can buy. Why would you change platforms. I would imagine he is chasing performance, and he probably just caught it by the tail. I would now buy every BR disc in existence, and sit back and enjoy!

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Jason Turk AVS Sales AVS GOLD CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rochester, NY USA Posts: 10,258 Classified Rating: 100% (2)	Yes there is going to be an HT6000. It will be at the show, but only a static display. Last I heard price has yet to be finalized, as are the specs on it, but what has leaked is that it will be dual lamp, will include improved color filtering and include the 235:1 Isco lens and sled (possibly other accessories). It may all ship in a custom road case but that is also not confirmed. We are all expecting to see a live demo of the new non-HOST Lumis and I'm hoping the "Solar" infinite contrast flat panel will be powered up as well. Their LED projector should make its debut and they will be showing a special 3D demo (which will be totally unique from what I understand). That's a mouthful for one company...kudos to Sim2. __________________ Jason C. Turk Sales, Installations and ISF Calibrations 585-671-2968 jason@avscience.com NOTE: I work for A/V Science, AVSForum.

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JlgLaw AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,042	It will not have the Lumis technology (which is primarily dynamic black and the DI). It can't, because the 5K utilizes the Delta light engine and the DB and processing were developed for the AlphaPath engine. Do not expect an "improved" 5K, it will not be there. Jim

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JlgLaw AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,042	The 6000 is definately a dual lamp model, so unless they are using two xenon lamps.....doubtful (but I guess possible). Jim

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LJG AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Brookville, NY Posts: 3,014	Isn't $120,000 price tag twice the price of a HT5000? If its dual lamp then definately not Xenon

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javry Blues In Thirds AVS GOLD CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,754	that was the original MSRP but I'm guessing the street price is a bit different.

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JlgLaw AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,042	Well, that answers all the questions! Jim

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Jason Turk AVS Sales AVS GOLD CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rochester, NY USA Posts: 10,258 Classified Rating: 100% (2)	I said it before...though the quantity of stuff will be thin at Cedia, I think the quality will be stellar. __________________ Jason C. Turk Sales, Installations and ISF Calibrations 585-671-2968 jason@avscience.com NOTE: I work for A/V Science, AVSForum.

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JlgLaw AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,042	Regarding the 6000, I've been told $100K (not firm) from day one. I've never heard the $120K number. I guess we'll know soon enough. Jim

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JlgLaw AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,042	I would think there would be significant interest in the LED unit. Jim

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owl1 Technophile AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston Area Posts: 772 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	Haha! Thanks Steve, this is why the rich get richer. Guess that's the signal to short the market NOW to triple in a couple of years! Hehe. Change, baby, change!

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W.Mayer AVS Special Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 1,245	how sim2 or a other manufacturers can sale a "home cinema pr." for mutch more than you have to pay for a "barco cinema pr".??? the talking about 100 or 120k is not the reality at lest not for a 3 chip model. may they have a new 4 chip design but as far as i know they will not have this. to many wrong speculations.

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Art Sonneborn ThePower & TheGlory AVS GOLD CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Battle Creek,MI USA Posts: 20,194	Even if we have no products at least we have some nice speculation for a change. Art __________________ My HT Get Calibrated, get Ken Whitcomb, now packing the PR-655

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JlgLaw AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,042	Thanks Scott, hadn't seen that. Jim

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Art Sonneborn ThePower & TheGlory AVS GOLD CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Battle Creek,MI USA Posts: 20,194	The 2009 Sim2 Colection" From the DOMINO D60 at $5,000, to the mighty Grand Cinema HT6000 at $120,000. I'm still very interested in what the HT 6000 can do to justify that price. I'm one who will pay for a move up but.... Art __________________ My HT Get Calibrated, get Ken Whitcomb, now packing the PR-655

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LJG AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Brookville, NY Posts: 3,014	Now that Cedia has started can we get full details on the Sim2 HT6000?