New Dawn Of The Dead And Night Of The Living Dead Release In October (UK)

Paul Arnette · 10-17-09, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dvdmike007

I already said and the Dvdactive review state region free

I've searched through that review using 'region', 'free', and '0' keywords. No where do I see it stated that any of the discs are region free. Please point me in the right direction, if I've missed it.

FYI: 'RCE: No' does not mean region free in case that is what you're basing that comment on. Below is a definition of RCE or Regional Coding Enhancement from DVD Talk:

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Regional Coding Enhancement
Q: What is Regional Coding enhancement(RCE)?
A: It's a digital enhancement added to some Warner Bros and Columbia DVDs to stop region 1 (R1) DVDs from playing on Region-free DVD players.

Q: What's the difference between Region Coding and RCE?
A: Regional Coding enhancement(RCE) is an additional layer of protection which some studios have placed on select REGION 1 DVDs to prevent them from playing on region-free or multi-region players...

So, until someone verifies the disc by testing it in a player of some sort, I think we're going to continue going in circles.

dvdmike007 · 10-18-09, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

And Blu-ray does not have Regions with numbers's only letters. I've gone through all my UK discs and none of them say anything about Region on the disc (and only one the case which is might Optimum NOTLD). I hope you are right, but I'm just telling you what Region 0 has meant for DVD for the past 13 years while Blu-ray has had letters for the past 3.

Someone out there must have this disc and has the ability to check region coding.

I know the diff between regions on dvd and on BRD, do you really think Arrow willl print region 0 on a disc if they did not mean it to be "no Region"

Geoff D · 10-18-09, 11:12 AM

Uh guys, I've got the UK disc and I'm seeing the same noise reduction artefacts in the same places as on the AB disc. It's not the same encode, because certain bits of print damage have been treated differently between the two, and the Arrow version is superficially grainier, but the NR artefacts remain. The grain itself often appears quite clumpy and unnatural. My money's on the NR being baked in to the master.

GizmoDVD · 10-18-09, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dvdmike007

I know the diff between regions on dvd and on BRD, do you really think Arrow willl print region 0 on a disc if they did not mean it to be "no Region"

I would think they would print Region A, B, C to make it clear. Look, I hope you are a right, but 0 refers to DVD for the past decade. Before I spend $40 I want to make sure I can play the disc.

Damnationdoormat · 10-18-09, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Uh guys, I've got the UK disc and I'm seeing the same noise reduction artefacts in the same places as on the AB disc. It's not the same encode, because certain bits of print damage have been treated differently between the two, and the Arrow version is superficially grainier, but the NR artefacts remain. The grain itself often appears quite clumpy and unnatural. My money's on the NR being baked in to the master.

Yeah, DVDActive finally placed new BD captures in their review and they don't look as good as the ones they requested from Arrow.

http://www.dvdactive.com/reviews/dvd...y-edition.html

So thanks for lying Arrow Films.

dvdmike007 · 10-18-09, 03:34 PM

I still think it looks miles better than the AB disc

Geoff D · 10-19-09, 03:16 PM

Having viewed both, I think I actually prefer the Anchor Bay/Starz disc. The baked-in noise reduction doesn't seem so aggressive on the AB because, unlike the Arrow version, it hasn't got a layer of clumpy grain that is disturbed by movement (think of the DNR on the original crew Trek movies).

If anything, the noise reduction artefacts stand out even more on the Arrow version; there's a shot of Scotty Reiniger yelling "Peter!" just after he shoots the zombie in the red check shirt at the airfield, and as he moves off screen right you can see his outline trailing after him. Ugh.

I'm not saying this stuff isn't there on the AB version, because it is, but the softer look takes the edge off and it's less distracting to me. It's got the proper mono audio too.

Bleddyn H Williams · 10-19-09, 03:57 PM

Thanks, Geoff D. As someone who seems to have been able to compare both versions on his own set-up, I find your comments especially welcome.

hlindstr · 10-20-09, 03:55 AM

Review of new UK NotLD released by Network is up. Doesn't look good at all. Network does not seem to be cropped but it's worse in every other aspect.

Dvdtimes.co.uk review with Optimum vs. Network comparison screen shots.

R Strange · 10-20-09, 08:35 AM

The Network disc looks awful. The Optimum disc looks fantastic, despite the cropping (which doesn't really hurt the compositions, imo). I believe Romero also approved the master used for the Optimum disc, which is worth noting.

Sure, ideally the transfer would feature the original framing, but as you can see from the caps over on DVD Times, quite often the original framing features dead space. Other than the cropping, the transfer is beautiful.

The Optimum is locked though, whereas the new Network disc is region free (but clearly inferior to the Elite dvd release). It's surely just a matter of time before a decent US disc appears.

Doug Schiller · 10-20-09, 08:36 AM

Thanks.
I'll keep my AB/Starz (which I am perfectly happy with) until the uber box set is released on Blu-Ray.

raoul_duke · 10-20-09, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dvdmike007

I still think it looks miles better than the AB disc

It really doesn't. I'm keeping it purely because I prefer the colour-scheme. Any increase in detail is minimal. It's still heavily DNR'd, as Geoff D has pointed out.

dvdmike007 · 10-20-09, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by raoul_duke

It really doesn't. I'm keeping it purely because I prefer the colour-scheme. Any increase in detail is minimal. It's still heavily DNR'd, as Geoff D has pointed out.

in my opinion, go on try it see what it feels like .
I quite clearly stated it was what I thought, I am not one to present my opinions as fact.

Damnationdoormat · 10-20-09, 05:28 PM

The cropping on the Optimum NOLD Blu is unacceptable. Don't care if it looks better.

dvdmike007 · 10-20-09, 05:30 PM

I will double dip as always

raoul_duke · 10-20-09, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dvdmike007

in my opinion, go on try it see what it feels like .
I quite clearly stated it was what I thought, I am not one to present my opinions as fact.

Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone's got one and some are smellier than others.

Neo_Reloaded · 10-20-09, 08:40 PM

I was going to get the Network NotLD release even with the lesser video quality because I wanted a version without the cropping. I'm glad I read the full review because he states that the Network disc is actually missing lines of dialogue, i.e. the full movie is not there and is ~ 1/2 a minute shorter than the Optimum release. Jeez, can no one release this movie right?

TyrantII · 10-21-09, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Neo_Reloaded

Jeez, can no one release this movie right?

No, not even Romero!

Damnationdoormat · 10-27-09, 04:28 PM

The BD will play on U.S. players. Just received it and it fires up no problem on my PS3.

The transfer isn't much different at from Anchor Bay's Blu-ray. Same clumpy look, motion artifacting, and print damage in the exact same areas. Might be a little darker than the AB.

Can't even trust reviews anymore...or at least studio-supplied captures. Thanks a lot Arrow!

jdawg131 · 10-27-09, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Damnationdoormat

The BD will play on U.S. players. Just received it and it fires up no problem on my PS3.

The transfer isn't much different at from Anchor Bay's Blu-ray. Same clumpy look, motion artifacting, and print damage in the exact same areas. Might be a little darker than the AB.

Can't even trust reviews anymore...or at least studio-supplied captures. Thanks a lot Arrow!

That's what I've been hearing. Things were very positive initially, so I placed my order and by the time I received it (yesterday), the word is that it's on the same level as the US AB release. Which sucks as Amazon has it for $13 now.

I'm going to watch it before Halloween (waiting for my copy of the 40th Anniversary Edition of NotLD to arrive), so I'll post my impressions soon.

Brian81 · 11-14-09, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hlindstr

Review of new UK NotLD released by Network is up. Doesn't look good at all. Network does not seem to be cropped but it's worse in every other aspect.

Dvdtimes.co.uk review with Optimum vs. Network comparison screen shots.

Wow. Thanks for posting this. The Network looks like CRAP!

The Optimum looks pretty nice, but the cropping looks bad on that cap of the TV. There was a review of it on DVD Beaver a while back. Is this one actually an upconvert, or is it an HD transfer? This is one of my favorites, but if it's an upscale I'll wait for an even better version.

Edit: It's region coded. Bah.

jd213 · 11-18-09, 11:24 PM

Is the the Stereo LPCM track on the Dawn of the Dead Blu-ray an actual stereo mix, or is it a downmix of the 5.1 audio? Or maybe just the original mono audio encoded as 2.0? I'm hoping for the latter, since the mono on the Anchor Bay release is just 192kbps DD.

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R Strange New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1	The Network disc looks awful. The Optimum disc looks fantastic, despite the cropping (which doesn't really hurt the compositions, imo). I believe Romero also approved the master used for the Optimum disc, which is worth noting. Sure, ideally the transfer would feature the original framing, but as you can see from the caps over on DVD Times, quite often the original framing features dead space. Other than the cropping, the transfer is beautiful. The Optimum is locked though, whereas the new Network disc is region free (but clearly inferior to the Elite dvd release). It's surely just a matter of time before a decent US disc appears.

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Geoff D Fried Gold Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London, Engerland Posts: 547	Uh guys, I've got the UK disc and I'm seeing the same noise reduction artefacts in the same places as on the AB disc. It's not the same encode, because certain bits of print damage have been treated differently between the two, and the Arrow version is superficially grainier, but the NR artefacts remain. The grain itself often appears quite clumpy and unnatural. My money's on the NR being baked in to the master.

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Geoff D Fried Gold Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London, Engerland Posts: 547	Having viewed both, I think I actually prefer the Anchor Bay/Starz disc. The baked-in noise reduction doesn't seem so aggressive on the AB because, unlike the Arrow version, it hasn't got a layer of clumpy grain that is disturbed by movement (think of the DNR on the original crew Trek movies). If anything, the noise reduction artefacts stand out even more on the Arrow version; there's a shot of Scotty Reiniger yelling "Peter!" just after he shoots the zombie in the red check shirt at the airfield, and as he moves off screen right you can see his outline trailing after him. Ugh. I'm not saying this stuff isn't there on the AB version, because it is, but the softer look takes the edge off and it's less distracting to me. It's got the proper mono audio too.

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Bleddyn H Williams Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Billerica MA USA Posts: 364	Thanks, Geoff D. As someone who seems to have been able to compare both versions on his own set-up, I find your comments especially welcome.

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hlindstr Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 86	Review of new UK NotLD released by Network is up. Doesn't look good at all. Network does not seem to be cropped but it's worse in every other aspect. Dvdtimes.co.uk review with Optimum vs. Network comparison screen shots.

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Doug Schiller Advanced Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 930	Thanks. I'll keep my AB/Starz (which I am perfectly happy with) until the uber box set is released on Blu-Ray.

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Damnationdoormat AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,716	The cropping on the Optimum NOLD Blu is unacceptable. Don't care if it looks better.

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Neo_Reloaded Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 892	I was going to get the Network NotLD release even with the lesser video quality because I wanted a version without the cropping. I'm glad I read the full review because he states that the Network disc is actually missing lines of dialogue, i.e. the full movie is not there and is ~ 1/2 a minute shorter than the Optimum release. Jeez, can no one release this movie right?

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Damnationdoormat AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,716	The BD will play on U.S. players. Just received it and it fires up no problem on my PS3. The transfer isn't much different at from Anchor Bay's Blu-ray. Same clumpy look, motion artifacting, and print damage in the exact same areas. Might be a little darker than the AB. Can't even trust reviews anymore...or at least studio-supplied captures. Thanks a lot Arrow!

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jd213 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: less than 10 minutes from Akihabara Posts: 438	Is the the Stereo LPCM track on the Dawn of the Dead Blu-ray an actual stereo mix, or is it a downmix of the 5.1 audio? Or maybe just the original mono audio encoded as 2.0? I'm hoping for the latter, since the mono on the Anchor Bay release is just 192kbps DD.