Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen DVD, BD & Walmart Big Screen (IMAX) Edition PIX

Xylon · 10-20-09, 03:18 PM

After The Dark Knight PQ fiasco, this one as far as PQ goes did everything right. Reference PQ all around. IMAX scenes and the non-IMAX scenes. The Walmart Big Screen Edition with the IMAX scenes is a whooping 71 seconds longer. In the forest battle scenes is where you find most of the extra footage:

Reference AQ on the regular blu-ray edition. The Walmart version however is not. As reported by some members here the audio somehow lacks "punch". So I tested the discs on two receivers (Onkyo SR706 & Denon 2809) connected via HDMI bitreaming DTS-HD MA and also via optical DTS. I did a quick A/B comparison (as quick as I can) and clearly the Walmart edition is not on par. Is it only as simple as loudness fix? I'm not sure. I don't have the tools to measure and get the numbers of the different frequency and levels.

The Walmart edition may be the most sought after but beware you may not get the same AQ.

#1 UPDATE:

IMAX Edition BDinfo: ** Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 4659 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB)

Regular Edition BDinfo: Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 4658 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

Dialnorm at -4db applied for the IMAX edition.

#2 UPDATE:

IMAX Edition eac3to info:

Code:

M2TS, 1 video track, 4 audio tracks, 7 subtitle tracks, 2:30:25, 24p /1.001
1: Chapters, 20 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB
   (core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB)
4: AC3, French, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
5: AC3, Spanish, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
6: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 224kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
7: Subtitle (PGS), English
8: Subtitle (PGS), French
9: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
10: Subtitle (PGS), Portuguese
11: Subtitle (PGS), English
12: Subtitle (PGS), French
13: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
[a03] Extracting audio track number 3...
[a03] Removing DTS dialog normalization...
[a03] Creating file "C:\1_3_audio.dtshd"...
Video track 2 contains 216382 frames.
eac3to processing took 34 minutes, 58 seconds.
Done.

Regular Edition eac3to info:

Code:

M2TS, 1 video track, 4 audio tracks, 7 subtitle tracks, 2:29:53, 24p /1.001
1: Chapters, 20 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
   (core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
4: AC3, French, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
5: AC3, Spanish, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
6: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 224kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
7: Subtitle (PGS), English
8: Subtitle (PGS), English
9: Subtitle (PGS), French
10: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
11: Subtitle (PGS), Portuguese
12: Subtitle (PGS), French
13: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
[a03] Extracting audio track number 3...
[a03] Creating file "C:\1_3_audio.dtshd"...
Video track 2 contains 215617 frames.
eac3to processing took 34 minutes, 14 seconds.
Done.

Dialnorm at -4db applied for the IMAX edition.

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Blu-ray File size: 47.70 GB

Bitrate: 31.29 mbps

Code:

                                                                                                                Total   Video         

                                    
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main 

Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ----

--------------                        ---------------------
00003.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:29:53 44,644,798,464  45,008,217,238  39.72   31.29   DTS-

HD Master 5.1 4658Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

Code:

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     TRANSFORMERS_2_D1_AC
Disc Size:      45,008,217,238 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00003.MPLS
Length:                 2:29:53 (h:m:s)
Size:                   44,644,798,464 bytes
Total Bitrate:          39.72 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        31290 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4658 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4658 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps 

/ 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         41.365 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         44.305 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          38.795 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          0.353 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      33.963 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         33.815 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         0.330 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00003.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:29:53.025     44,644,798,464  39,715          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 

10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  ----

----------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:08:49.278     32,961 kbps     42,213 kbps     00:01:27.587    36,152 kbps     00:06:15.917    

35,880 kbps     00:01:44.729    171,830 bytes   808,861 bytes   00:01:02.771    
2               0:08:49.278     0:06:03.363     31,962 kbps     39,439 kbps     00:13:10.372    35,990 kbps     00:12:40.468    

35,830 kbps     00:12:40.050    166,635 bytes   440,567 bytes   00:14:44.842    
3               0:14:52.641     0:03:25.371     30,812 kbps     36,824 kbps     00:17:45.731    35,619 kbps     00:17:36.054    

35,009 kbps     00:14:56.979    160,640 bytes   336,771 bytes   00:17:25.002    
4               0:18:18.013     0:06:49.617     31,348 kbps     40,106 kbps     00:23:59.229    36,244 kbps     00:20:48.455    

35,772 kbps     00:19:50.814    163,433 bytes   421,308 bytes   00:24:13.869    
5               0:25:07.631     0:07:52.889     31,811 kbps     37,859 kbps     00:32:43.836    35,951 kbps     00:25:18.141    

35,890 kbps     00:25:13.261    165,846 bytes   427,487 bytes   00:29:57.378    
6               0:33:00.520     0:04:07.247     31,527 kbps     36,739 kbps     00:33:45.106    35,961 kbps     00:35:30.336    

35,400 kbps     00:35:14.779    164,365 bytes   292,544 bytes   00:33:50.653    
7               0:37:07.767     0:06:25.885     31,636 kbps     37,319 kbps     00:37:45.680    36,106 kbps     00:37:19.445    

35,944 kbps     00:37:35.753    164,935 bytes   388,314 bytes   00:37:49.642    
8               0:43:33.652     0:11:22.890     31,711 kbps     38,676 kbps     00:53:13.231    36,254 kbps     00:53:09.102    

35,832 kbps     00:46:34.541    165,328 bytes   375,896 bytes   00:54:00.987    
9               0:54:56.543     0:08:27.340     31,426 kbps     39,879 kbps     00:59:57.927    36,116 kbps     00:59:30.066    

35,786 kbps     00:58:33.635    163,841 bytes   437,252 bytes   01:02:09.142    
10              1:03:23.883     0:09:02.124     31,899 kbps     37,971 kbps     01:05:21.918    36,154 kbps     01:03:59.627    

35,739 kbps     01:05:59.997    166,308 bytes   417,178 bytes   01:09:31.000    
11              1:12:26.008     0:07:46.174     31,109 kbps     37,271 kbps     01:15:56.677    36,025 kbps     01:15:52.673    

35,891 kbps     01:15:47.668    162,187 bytes   336,224 bytes   01:12:38.020    
12              1:20:12.182     0:06:22.882     31,774 kbps     37,274 kbps     01:26:33.062    35,970 kbps     01:23:33.883    

35,671 kbps     01:22:43.249    165,657 bytes   423,317 bytes   01:26:03.074    
13              1:26:35.064     0:09:06.087     31,406 kbps     37,355 kbps     01:28:49.240    36,047 kbps     01:28:45.236    

35,872 kbps     01:28:13.621    163,738 bytes   396,789 bytes   01:28:21.337    
14              1:35:41.152     0:09:12.927     31,797 kbps     38,459 kbps     01:44:15.415    36,196 kbps     01:44:11.411    

35,928 kbps     01:39:05.147    165,777 bytes   357,119 bytes   01:36:07.344    
15              1:44:54.079     0:05:40.631     31,515 kbps     39,236 kbps     01:45:21.314    36,039 kbps     01:47:32.988    

35,944 kbps     01:47:51.882    164,304 bytes   387,448 bytes   01:49:22.264    
16              1:50:34.711     0:08:27.089     31,882 kbps     41,044 kbps     01:56:37.949    36,261 kbps     01:53:01.149    

36,041 kbps     01:52:56.144    166,220 bytes   476,026 bytes   01:52:44.591    
17              1:59:01.801     0:08:11.908     31,819 kbps     40,163 kbps     02:05:37.488    36,071 kbps     02:05:02.953    

35,496 kbps     02:05:58.676    165,890 bytes   564,068 bytes   01:59:12.228    
18              2:07:13.709     0:07:51.596     33,665 kbps     39,442 kbps     02:10:52.886    36,159 kbps     02:08:03.008    

35,901 kbps     02:10:12.554    175,516 bytes   362,899 bytes   02:12:40.869    
19              2:15:05.305     0:07:09.512     33,679 kbps     38,752 kbps     02:16:38.440    36,104 kbps     02:17:17.812    

35,910 kbps     02:21:53.296    175,589 bytes   411,143 bytes   02:15:35.001    
20              2:22:14.817     0:07:38.207     19,491 kbps     37,492 kbps     02:22:21.407    35,975 kbps     02:22:40.593    

35,886 kbps     02:22:32.877    101,625 bytes   428,093 bytes   02:28:43.581    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate               

  Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------        

  -------------   -----           
00003.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     8992.859                31,291                

  35,174,145,794  191,289,943     
00003.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           8992.859                4,658                 

  5,235,727,180   29,856,676      
00003.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             fra (French)            8992.859                640                   

  719,444,480     4,215,495       
00003.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           8992.859                640                   

  719,444,480     4,215,495       
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  251,805,568     1,405,165       
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  46,499,164      264,945         
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  49,804,964      283,782         
00003.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            8992.859                39                    

  43,611,048      249,427         
00003.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           8992.859                34                    

  38,012,754      218,683         
00003.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        8992.859                34                    

  38,178,693      219,683         
00003.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            8992.859                0                     

  396,875         2,272           
00003.M2TS      4614 (0x1206)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           8992.859                0                     

  371,396         2,132

QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: TRANSFORMERS_2_D1_AC
Disc Size: 45,008,217,238 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes
Playlist: 00003.MPLS
Size: 44,644,798,464 bytes
Length: 2:29:53
Total Bitrate: 39.72 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 31290 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 4658 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio: French / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Audio: Spanish / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB
Subtitle: English / 41.365 kbps
Subtitle: English / 44.305 kbps
Subtitle: French / 38.795 kbps
Subtitle: French / 0.353 kbps
Subtitle: Portuguese / 33.963 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 33.815 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 0.330 kbps

Blu-ray IMAX File size: 47.70 GB

Bitrate: 31.30 mbps

Code:

                                                                                                                Total   Video         

                                    
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main 

Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ----

--------------                        ---------------------
00003.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:30:24 44,811,589,632  45,175,023,272  39.72   31.30   DTS-

HD Master 5.1 4659Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

Code:

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     TF_2_D1_AC_BSE
Disc Size:      45,175,023,272 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00003.MPLS
Length:                 2:30:24 (h:m:s)
Size:                   44,811,589,632 bytes
Total Bitrate:          39.72 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        31297 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4659 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4659 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps 

/ 24-bit / DN -4dB)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         41.228 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         44.318 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          38.665 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          0.352 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      33.859 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         33.695 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         0.329 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
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CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 

10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  ----

----------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
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35,880 kbps     00:01:44.729    171,830 bytes   808,861 bytes   00:01:02.771    
2               0:08:49.278     0:06:03.363     31,962 kbps     39,439 kbps     00:13:10.372    35,990 kbps     00:12:40.468    

35,830 kbps     00:12:40.050    166,635 bytes   440,567 bytes   00:14:44.842    
3               0:14:52.641     0:03:25.371     30,812 kbps     36,824 kbps     00:17:45.731    35,619 kbps     00:17:36.054    

35,009 kbps     00:14:56.979    160,640 bytes   336,771 bytes   00:17:25.002    
4               0:18:18.013     0:06:49.617     31,348 kbps     40,106 kbps     00:23:59.229    36,244 kbps     00:20:48.455    

35,772 kbps     00:19:50.814    163,433 bytes   421,308 bytes   00:24:13.869    
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35,890 kbps     00:25:13.261    165,846 bytes   427,487 bytes   00:29:57.378    
6               0:33:00.520     0:04:07.247     31,527 kbps     36,739 kbps     00:33:45.106    35,961 kbps     00:35:30.336    

35,400 kbps     00:35:14.779    164,365 bytes   292,544 bytes   00:33:50.653    
7               0:37:07.767     0:06:25.885     31,636 kbps     37,319 kbps     00:37:45.680    36,106 kbps     00:37:19.445    

35,944 kbps     00:37:35.753    164,935 bytes   388,314 bytes   00:37:49.642    
8               0:43:33.652     0:11:22.890     31,711 kbps     38,676 kbps     00:53:13.231    36,254 kbps     00:53:09.102    

35,832 kbps     00:46:34.541    165,328 bytes   375,896 bytes   00:54:00.987    
9               0:54:56.543     0:08:50.196     31,475 kbps     38,861 kbps     00:57:48.298    36,034 kbps     01:02:38.379    

35,804 kbps     01:02:33.374    164,096 bytes   454,609 bytes   01:03:16.626    
10              1:03:46.739     0:09:02.124     31,899 kbps     37,971 kbps     01:05:44.774    36,154 kbps     01:04:22.483    

35,739 kbps     01:06:22.853    166,308 bytes   417,178 bytes   01:09:53.856    
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35,891 kbps     01:16:10.524    162,187 bytes   336,224 bytes   01:13:00.876    
12              1:20:35.038     0:06:22.882     31,774 kbps     37,274 kbps     01:26:55.919    35,970 kbps     01:23:56.740    

35,671 kbps     01:23:06.106    165,657 bytes   423,317 bytes   01:26:25.930    
13              1:26:57.921     0:09:06.087     31,406 kbps     37,355 kbps     01:29:12.096    36,047 kbps     01:29:08.092    

35,872 kbps     01:28:36.477    163,738 bytes   396,789 bytes   01:28:44.193    
14              1:36:04.008     0:09:12.927     31,797 kbps     38,459 kbps     01:44:38.272    36,196 kbps     01:44:34.268    

35,928 kbps     01:39:28.003    165,777 bytes   357,119 bytes   01:36:30.201    
15              1:45:16.935     0:05:40.631     31,515 kbps     39,236 kbps     01:45:44.171    36,039 kbps     01:47:55.844    

35,944 kbps     01:48:14.738    164,304 bytes   387,448 bytes   01:49:45.120    
16              1:50:57.567     0:08:36.098     31,898 kbps     38,559 kbps     01:57:51.355    36,198 kbps     01:57:05.810    

35,847 kbps     01:55:55.990    166,301 bytes   507,551 bytes   01:53:10.325    
17              1:59:33.666     0:08:11.949     31,850 kbps     40,163 kbps     02:06:09.395    36,071 kbps     02:05:34.860    

35,468 kbps     02:07:31.560    166,054 bytes   564,068 bytes   01:59:44.135    
18              2:07:45.616     0:07:51.596     33,665 kbps     39,442 kbps     02:11:24.793    36,159 kbps     02:08:34.915    

35,901 kbps     02:10:44.461    175,516 bytes   362,899 bytes   02:13:12.776    
19              2:15:37.212     0:07:09.512     33,679 kbps     38,752 kbps     02:17:10.347    36,104 kbps     02:17:49.719    

35,910 kbps     02:22:25.203    175,589 bytes   411,143 bytes   02:16:06.908    
20              2:22:46.724     0:07:38.207     19,491 kbps     37,492 kbps     02:22:53.314    35,975 kbps     02:23:12.500    

35,886 kbps     02:23:04.784    101,625 bytes   428,093 bytes   02:29:15.488    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate               

  Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------        

  -------------   -----           
00003.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     9024.766                31,297                

  35,306,180,471  192,008,034     
00003.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           9024.766                4,659                 

  5,255,709,756   29,969,999      
00003.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             fra (French)            9024.766                640                   

  721,996,800     4,230,450       
00003.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           9024.766                640                   

  721,996,800     4,230,450       
00003.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           9024.766                224                   

  252,698,880     1,410,150       
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  46,509,728      265,007         
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  43,618,143      249,473         
00003.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           9024.766                34                    

  38,011,405      218,676         
00003.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        9024.766                34                    

  38,197,062      219,785         
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QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: TF_2_D1_AC_BSE
Disc Size: 45,175,023,272 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes
Playlist: 00003.MPLS
Size: 44,811,589,632 bytes
Length: 2:30:24
Total Bitrate: 39.72 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 31297 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 4659 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB)
Audio: French / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Audio: Spanish / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB
Subtitle: English / 41.228 kbps
Subtitle: English / 44.318 kbps
Subtitle: French / 38.665 kbps
Subtitle: French / 0.352 kbps
Subtitle: Portuguese / 33.859 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 33.695 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 0.329 kbps

rboster · 10-20-09, 04:48 PM

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Spoonsey · 10-20-09, 04:57 PM

Might I say a most aesthetically pleasing choice for the first pic.

Fang Zei · 10-20-09, 05:00 PM

So is this comparing three different editions (one dvd and two blu-rays) or am I mistaken?

Kram Sacul · 10-20-09, 05:14 PM

Is that Michael Bay reflected on the far left?

kmlm13 · 10-20-09, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kram Sacul

Is that Michael Bay reflected on the far left?

Sure looks like him, hahah. Good eyes.

ack_bk · 10-20-09, 05:16 PM

Xylon, you are such a tease

dvdmike007 · 10-20-09, 05:18 PM

Was waiting for this thread

just watched the two disc for the second time, and if there are any picture faults I cannot see them

x43x · 10-20-09, 05:27 PM

Brightness looks cranked up a few notches on the IMAX shot

42041 · 10-20-09, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x43x

Brightness looks cranked up a few notches on the IMAX shot

No it doesn't

They're not identical frames BTW.
(wait... now they are... i must be going out of my mind)

Dave_6 · 10-20-09, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 42041

No it doesn't

I was thinking the same thing.

x43x · 10-20-09, 05:39 PM

Really? Maybe it's my computer then or I'm crazy. IMAX looks a tad brighter, standard looks to have a tad more color saturation because of it. I'm comparing her face and the shadow in her hair. Very small difference, but I swear I can see it.

42041 · 10-20-09, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x43x

Really? Maybe it's my computer then or I'm crazy. IMAX looks a tad brighter, standard looks to have a tad more color saturation because of it. I'm comparing her face and the shadow in her hair. Very small difference, but I swear I can see it.

Load up the images in separate windows (or if you have some decent image editing program, different layers) and switch back and forth between them. They look absolutely identical to me. I'd go as far as to say it's the same encode with the different IMAX shots inserted into the stream.

tokerblue · 10-20-09, 05:43 PM

I'm a little confused on the versions. I know that the Wal-Mart version has the IMAX sequences, but why is the framing different on post #2? Do the other versions also have the IMAX footage, just in 2.35:1 format?

x43x · 10-20-09, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 42041

Load up the images in separate windows (or if you have some decent image editing program, different layers) and switch back and forth between them. They look absolutely identical to me. I'd go as far as to say it's the same encode with the different IMAX shots inserted into the stream.

Meh...too much work. I think we can agree that the DVD looks terrible though. I feel sorry for those who haven't boughten into HD media yet.

mike2060 · 10-20-09, 06:08 PM

DVD makes me think I need glasses :s

Kram Sacul · 10-20-09, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xylon

Interesting that the letterboxed version is shifted down and has more image area below than the Imax shot.

Scott Simonian · 10-20-09, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x43x

Brightness looks cranked up a few notches on the IMAX shot

I won't judge looking here on teh PC but the IMAX shots do indeed look a tad brighter on my screen to me. I think that is good though cause it brings out some of the detail without washing out the dark areas. Won't know for sure without seeing it on my 100" at home. I don't see any extra enhancements or filtering though between the different versions... that's good!

opfreak · 10-20-09, 07:42 PM

In that airplan jumping pic, IMHO, blu-ray just looks softer. Or DVD more edge enhanced. a bit of a let down

42041 · 10-20-09, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by opfreak

In that airplan jumping pic, IMHO, blu-ray just looks softer. Or DVD more edge enhanced. a bit of a let down

I have no idea where that scene is in the movie, having not watched the whole thing, but considering the extremely high level of quality of what I DID see I'd say that scene is supposed to look bad.

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