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SAMSUNG TX-P2675WH Questions
I just picked up the SAMSUNG TX-P2675WH at the local GG for $790. It is hooked up to Comcast "extended" cable.
First impressions is the superb picture quality on the analog channels. The setup is a breeze - the manual actually makes sense - and the remote is uncomplicated. BUT - the tuner is supposed to be able to pick up QAM channels - but none detected. My FusionHD PC card - connected to the same comcast cable - detects about 8 un-encrypted QAM channels, including the local NBC-HD, ABC-HD and PBS-HD. Some are on the main QAM channels (i.e. 112-1) and some on subchannels (i.e. 111-4). So - has anybody else run into this problem? Should the tuner not pick up the main QAM unencrypted channels - or am I missing something? Also - the choice for Digital output on/off is grayed out and I am not getting any audio out of the fiber optic out connection on the set. Any suggestions would be appreciated. |
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I picked up one yesterday and have the same question? I love the TV and the picture quality is superb but I have had no luck picking up HD cable channels either. Since this is the first time I am trying to pick up digital cable signals so I dont know if I am doing something wrong or if my cable company Adelphia encrypts the signals.
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Did you contact your cable company and inform them about your set, but make sure you at least speak to a tech or an engineer.
There is the possibility that you may not receive the HD channels without there permission. If you are not familiar with the new cable cards ask them about those also. |
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According to Adelphia you have to have a HD settop box from them in order to see the HD channels. I guess it is irrelevant if you have a QAM tuner or not. With all Cable companies coming out with Cable Card solutions in the coming months I guess one option would be to wait for TV's that have Cable Cards built in. But with cable card technology slated to change in the coming years (two way), I guess we are at the mercy of the cable companies till things settle down.
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If the FusionHD Gold QAM card can "see" the unencrypted 256QAM signals coming in on the cable...then a Samsung HDTV set with QAM tuning should also "see" these channels - unless, of course, the Samsung set is not set for 256QAM but iinstead tunes 64QAM. If the answer is that you need a cable box to receive the unencrypted channels...then why would Samsung design a tuner with QAM. It just does not make any sense! I don't know anything about the technical issues involved, but perhaps someone monitoring this thread can enlighten us. In a perfect world, one would be able to ask Samsung what exactly the QAM feature in their HDTV sets does...but I just wasted one hour listening to some insipid muzak while I was holding for their tech level 2 support and I never reached anyone.... I might try to fax Samsung...but doubt that I would get an intelligent reply. ![]() |
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Eureka! What does QAM "do"..
A "final" word (tonight at least) on QAM found in a description of a RCA set:
" Delivers impressive picture performances including a built-in ATSC High Definition Digital Tuner with QAM cable demodulation capability that enables the TV to receive unscrambled local broadcasts over digital cable channels without a separate set-top box"... 'nuff said...Adelphia is clueless...you don't need their stinkin' box (in theory at least - why doesn't it work on my Samsung?). ![]() |
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Another person in the Cleveland area just confirmed that they cannot pick up Adelphia HD programming on their Sony XBR 960 QAM tuner, so I guess they do encrypt their signals. Makes it difficult for me to figure out if the QAM tuner on my Samsung works or not but I guess it is a moot point as I need to get a box from Adelphia even if it worked.
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You can find the language of the FCC rules pertaining to this....then advise Adelphia that they are not in compliance with FCC rules. If you call their legal department I would think they would pay attention ![]() |
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I think the question of a Cable Company having to provide unencrypted signals is up in the air. I have heard conflicting reports. There was an FCC ruling that "Must Carry" applied to DTV, when a station drops it's analog broadcast. See http://ftp.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Ord...1/fcc01023.pdf --a broadcaster in Florida actually forced the issue. Not sure if it applies if the the analog broadcast is still being carried.
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Comcast and QAM question
I am now in touch with Samsung Level 2 tech re QAM, and here is what they say:
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Waht is PSIP? How can I check this? HELP - ANYONE ![]() |
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Reply from Samsung Level 2 re QAM
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I doubt that I would be able to talk to a knowledgeable Tech person at Comcast.....and Level 1 "Customer Support" does not know the answer. Anyone reading this post..please help clear this up. Otherwise I guess the Samsung goes back to the store and I head for Walmart for a Sanyo ![]() |
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What I have done.
I am in CA.
I just picked up this set last Friday 7/30/04 at Circuit City for 699-$50 MFR Rebate. Sweet deal for the bedroom. I have my Attenea and cable (adelphia) hooked to it. Att A: and Att B respectively. I just use the Attenea button on the remote to switch between the two. I pick up all kinds of HD signals from the attenea and watch cable through the other. I have the Adelphia HD cable box in the lvg room. As far as the QAM goes, Adelphia shows their HD programming on channels 900 + (902 CBS, 904 NBC, etc) . The Samsung is only a 125 Channel tuner, you wouldn't get the HD brodcasts because the tv only pick up channels 2-125. Am I missing something? |
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Re: What I have done.
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Hoewever, I have not been able to get this feature to work, in spite of having a tech visit 3 times. We have replaced all cables with new RG-6 cable and eliminated all splitters to get normal signal levels (-1mV to 1.00mV) directly to the Samsung cable input. It still does not tune QAM.....and I think that while Samsung has checked the QAM feature in their lab using a digital signal generator...they probably have NOT checked that the tuner works (as advertised) with COMCAST, Adelpi or COX under "real world" conditions. The tech (who does tech services under contract with Good Guys) also said that the new SONY KD34XBR 960, which has a slot for a QAM card, also has issues picking up QAM. Meanwhile, My Fusion HD QAM PC card picks up all the digital and HD unewncrypted channels of Comcast basic with no problem at all...you go figure. My Samsung is going back to GG.. Cheers |
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I do OTA and cable
I just connected the attenea and the cable to the tv and switch between the 2 via the attenea button on the remote. The OTA HD Picks up more than Adelphia has anyway. I will keep checking back as I cannot seem to get it to pick up QAM either. I tried all 3 different type STD, HRC, and IRC (?)
I am not sure what the difference is between them though. |
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Tech Support Hell!!!
I just got off the phne with both samsng and adelphia.
Samsung said that i would have to check with the cable provider to find out if they are transmitting unencrypted. (He is also an avs forum member). Which is why it is hit and miss for most people. I called Adelphia and they kept insisting that without a HDTV cable box, I would not pick up any HD signals from their cable feed set top box or not. But here is the specs of the HD cable box.: PERFORMANCE FEATURES Integrated High-Definition (HD) decoder with YPBPR component output MPEG-2 digital video processor Built-in DOCSIS 1.0/1.1-compatible cable modem for high-speed interactivity2 Full array of audio, video and data interfaces ITU standard 64/256 QAM/FEC/enhanced adaptive equalizer Two 54 - 860 MHz tuners So their system also has a buit in 64/256 QAM equalizer(/?) Ug!. I like the set but do not want to have to pay an additional $10 for another HD box. |
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I have been back and forth with both Samsung Level 2 as well as the tech from Good Guys about the QAM cable issue.
This might be helpful: "Following David's Service Call and Signal Analysis (below), I installed new RG-6 cable from the Comcast cable drop directly to the Samsung. David was kind enough to come back yesterday and re-measure the signal strength after the installation of the new RG-6 coax cable. This time the PSIP, QAM and 8-VSB were at normal levels at the end of the cable where it is connected to the Samsung. I have also verified that the COMCAST signal has the following clear (unencrypted) QAM channels with PSIP: Name: Channel: RF: KOMO-DT 4-1 111 KCTS-HD 4-2 111 KOMO-DT 4-3 111 KING-DT 5-1 112 KONG-DT 5-2 112 KCPQ Di 13-1 110 KTWB-DT 13-2 110 David detected all of the above on his equipment - and I am also receiving them on the PC with the Fusion HD QAM card. Everything here checks out as far as the Comcast signal, strength, QAM, PSIP etc. So, I am asking SAMSUNG for a response to the following questions: 1. Has SAMSUNG USA ever connected theTXP2675WHX/XAA to a basic cable provider (Comcast, Adelphi, COX etc. ) and verified that the QAM tuner can pick up the unencrypted PSIP signals? 2. If not, why are you advertising the QAM feature in the U.S. market? I look forward to your response." We are all waiting with baited breath for a response from Samsung's Head Tech in Seoul... Cheers |
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Still no official word from Samsung USA
I am still waiting for an "official" reponse from Samsung USA...
Will post here if and when received. In the meantime, I have returned the set to the store (GG). Their tech reported he is getting several calls about the QAM feature (or lack thereof) not only about the Samsung, but also about the newest SONY whicfh has a QAM card slot.... Stay tuned... ![]() |
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