Upconverting DVD Player Options/Impressions

mallu2u · 07-16-04, 11:39 AM

Folks: Follwing are some of the DVI/HDMI/COM Upconverting DVD Players. I shall continue to update this post on new player options and their release date (as that info is made available). If I have

missed some, please let me know and I shall add them.

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      DVD Player       Release Date Upconversion Region  MSRP    Best Price @           Universal   Network  
                                                  Free    $   (Check store/website)      Player     Capable           				      
                                                       
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[*] Momitsu V880 Deluxe  Available    COM/DVI     Yes    259     Extremephono/HiviZone      No        No             [*] Zenith DVB318**      Available    DVI/COM*    Yes    249     Amazon/Gochnauers          No        No[*] Denon 1910           Available    DVI         ??     269     Tweeter/Crutchfield/Abt    No        No [*] Samsung 841          Available    DVI         ??     249     Amazon/BB/Newegg           No        No[*] Samsung 941          Available    HDMI        ??     299     Amazon/ABT Elec            Yes       No               [*] Panasonic S97        Available    HDMI        ??     299     J&R/Onecall                DVD-Audio No  [*] Bravo D2             Available    DVI         ??     249     Vinc                       No        No [*] Sony DVP-NS975V      Available    HDMI        ??     299     J&R/Onecall                SACD      No[*] Denon 2910           Available    DVI/HDMI    ??     729     Tweeter                    Yes       No[*] Denon 3910           Available    DVI/HDMI    ??     1299    Tweeter/Crutchfield***     Yes       No[*] Pioneer DV59-AVI     Available    HDMI        ??     1600    ??                         Yes       No[*] LG DVB418            Available    HDMI        ??     199     Best Buy                   No        No[*] NeuNeo HVD108        Available    COM/VGA     Yes    199     NeuNeo Website             No        No[*] Toshiba SD-5970      Available    HDMI        ??     199     ??                         No        No[*] Onkyo DV-SP1000      Available    HDMI        ??     1999    Crutchfield ??             Yes       No[*] Bravo D3             Q1 2005?     DVI         ??     ??      Vinc                       No        Yes [*] Momitsu V880N        Available    COM/DVI     Yes    379     Extremephono/HiviZone      No        Yes                       [*] AVeL LinkPlayer2     Available    COM         ??     249     Iodata website             No        Yes[*] Oppo DV971H          Available    DVI         ??     249     Extremephono               No        No

Beaker1024 · 07-16-04, 12:03 PM

Thanks mallu2u,

I believe continually updating the information on your first post (particularly the expected release date) will be a great summary area for the many threads on the several highly anticipated upscaling players.

This could be a big time saver for those of us trying to keep an eye on several of the players. Thank you for your time in establishing this thread and hopefully mantaining the information. I will try to help as I can along the way.

My current setup:
TV = Panny 50LC13; native res = 720p
AVR = Pio Elite 45tx
current DVD Player = cica '98 Sony 5xx 480i

mallu2u · 07-16-04, 02:45 PM

What would be fantastic is if some who knows some of the players above can post the current Pros & Cons.
Additionally if someone can post pictures of the above players.

My Current Setup:

TV: Sony 60'' XBR TV
Receiver: Yamaha Receiver
DVD Player: Panasonic CV51 & Pioneer 563A
Satellite: D*

miniz · 07-16-04, 02:50 PM

When you say updated version for the DVB318 you mean firmware only, not a model replacement such as a 319 or something like that?

AcuraCL · 07-16-04, 02:58 PM

Mallu, you might think about adding a line under each one listing major features, like: output on DVI, HDMI, or Component (or all); DVD Audio support, Coax/optical audio out, adjustable output resolutions, etc.

Isn't there a Bravo unit too?

mallu2u · 07-16-04, 03:00 PM

miniz: I mean the same player but an updated firmware since Zenith is currently testing a new firmware that fixes the white crush issues.

mallu2u · 07-16-04, 03:07 PM

AcuraCL: Added the two Bravo players. About the features. You're right, I shall collect info on the features of the above players so that I can add to the post. Do you know some of the features of the above players? It would be great if everyone contributes regarding what they already know.

So..if people send info as

Player Name

Player Info:

Pros:

Cons:

I shall then also appen the original post with basic info of the players.

Thanks for your great suggestions!

Grolsch · 07-16-04, 03:24 PM

For completion, you might want to add a currently widely available Samsung 841 (and maybe even 931).

AcuraCL · 07-16-04, 03:26 PM

Or ... I dunno ... pros and cons could get long, as could a feature list ....

Maybe you could try it with a link to the spec page for the unit.

Momitsu V880:
http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880spec.html

Momitsu V880N:
http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880nspec.html

Bravo D1:
http://www.vinc.com/product.asp?ID=31&PID=21&SEQ=1

Bravo D2:
http://www.vinc.com/product.asp?ID=56&PID=21&SEQ=2

Samsung 841:
http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/na...Specifications

Samsung 931:
http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/na...Specifications

Zenith DVB318:
http://www.zenith.com/sub_prod/downloads_pdf/DVB318.pdf

No links on the "not yet introduced" units yet ....

mallu2u · 07-16-04, 03:31 PM

Wow! What amazing information AcuraCL. You rock!

mallu2u · 07-16-04, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grolsch
For completion, you might want to add a currently widely available Samsung 841 (and maybe even 931).

True! Just did that. Avoiding 931 since we already know it has issues and we want to look forward to better options.

AcuraCL · 07-16-04, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mallu2u
Wow! What amazing information AcuraCL. You rock!

It's a lot more fun than what I'm supposed to be doing ....

(back to work ACL !!)

mallu2u · 07-16-04, 04:14 PM

I was going over the Momitsu 880N player Manual today just for fun and I am suddenly very interested in this player. I hope they deliver on time and with good performance. The upside to this player is a lot due to its networking capability. I sincerely hope they work on improving their graphical interface.

bruman · 07-16-04, 04:59 PM

I have the Zenith DVB318 comming tomorrow and the displays I will be testing it on is my Sony XBR800 36" DVI and a X1 via component.

I had a hard time deciding on which player cause everyone says this is the one....etc

the Zenith was best cause the DVI and component. if they fix the white crush that will be great. Im not expecting magic and hope im pleasantly suprised as the sony is a smaller CRT and the X1 is not true HD but if it can be a big leao from my Pioneer 563A in progressive I will be a happy camper. I wish I didn't sell my XP50 before I got the X1. on my Sony it just wasnt that much a difference(although I could see if I really looked)compared to the Pioneer from 11ft away.

still im excited to see what the Zenith can do. it really came down to a unit that would work on both my displays.

Prozakk · 07-16-04, 05:10 PM

I'll wait for the new Denons to be out...

BillP · 07-16-04, 08:53 PM

There's also a Sony with HDMI out coming in Sept.

BajaFishin · 07-17-04, 05:49 AM

mallu and beaker,

Thanks to you guys for the idea of creating this thread.

My situation might be a little different from you guys, but I am in the market for a new DVD player.

Here is my set up:

Sammy DLP TV
Yamaha RX-2400
HD931
V880

Anyway, in about 2 - 3 month, I am getting a projector and needs to get a DVD player with it.

These are the projectors on my list:

Infocus 4805 - Native Resolution 854x480 DLP
Panny AE500 - 1280 x 720 LCD
Sanyo Z2 - 1280 x 720 LCD

If I go with the Infocus 4805, then I would probably need a DVD player that can do custom resolution (or maybe not), that leaves me only with D2 and V880/N.
But since I already have the V880, I don't really want to get another one.

So Here are my list:

Denon 1910 (go by the history of denon players, they have really good de-intercing and good Core, so this is on my top list)
Sammy HD941 (SACD and DVD-A, I know I don't use it, but it's better to have it than not having it, will see the reviews when it come out)
Brovo D2 / D3 (D2, to me, it's like a moded V880, I will probably keep a eye on D3, but will see what happens)
Zenith DVB-318 (Everyday I'm reading people saying good thing about this player, and there are so many happy owenrs out there, so ....)

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OK as for V880 - (there are tons of reviews about this player, but here is my list of pros and cons, by the way, I am a big fan of V880)

1. No HDCP over DVI - this might be a big deal for some people with DVI display that dont have HDCP, if you want to use DVI, there are only couple players that would work, and V880 is one of them.
2. Up convert over both component and DVI.
3. Doesn't streatch 4:3 format.
4. Region and macrovsion free (you can set to any region you want, or set to 0 and set it back as many time as you like, BAAM, even though I only have 2 DVD that is not region 1, but just so I have this feature is a plus).
5. Plays support wide range of formats (Dvix, +, - , all of them

).
6. No EE
7. No black (DVI) and white crush.

Name me another player that got all these with this price tag????

Down fall of V880 -

1. IR code conflicts with Pionner stuff (Can't do nothing about it, so if you own a pioneer equietment, look some where else).
2. We all know about the loader issue (But you can replace it with a lite-on 166s loader, and the "how-to" is all over the forum).
3. Black level over componet sucks (at least to me, but I use DVI and DVI only, that's why we all getting a DVI player right

).

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HD931 --

1. Farodja Chipset (Good de-interlacing, I watch DVD movies on this player only with DVD disc that is badly flag)
2. It scores pretty good on Secret HIFi.
3. I like the remote (but I know many people hate it, I am so use to it that I can close my eye and access any function I want)
4. man, I don't know what else to say.

931 - down fall

1. BAD Black and white level (It bothers me).
2. Grainny picture quality (It bothers me really bad, that's when I made up mine mind to get the V880).
3. EE (but I never saw it, unless someone can help me to look for it).
4. Lip sync issue (But it never happen to mine player).

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I will be use the DVI player and the projector 100% for DVD movies only. So I'm looking for a player with a good core and de-interlacer.
As you can see that I have 2 DVI players for 1 TV, I don't want to do the same again. So, this time I will do my homework before I pull the trigger.

Any questions, suggestions or flames...

Welcome

Baja

robertc88 · 07-17-04, 06:43 AM

Well count me in with being a person looking for a DVD player currently.

I however am only doing component connection to Tosh TN50X81 RPTV at 480p.

I believe the Zenith 318 upconverts for component so the threads on this player I started reading a few days ago.

Is there any other players that I should be looking at given my connection and playback with the links that were supplied? I'm currently trying the Sammy HD841 and for $200 I'm quite pleased with the PQ versus other players I have tried so far.

BajaFishin · 07-17-04, 06:58 AM

robertc,

If I were you choosing between 841 and 318, I would take the 841 back and order the 318. The 318 up converts both component and DVI, and from what I read, no Black and white crush over component, and it's got Frarodja chipset.

Baja

BajaFishin · 07-17-04, 07:05 AM

Hi All,

Can someone list some important features and specs, compare 1910 ans S97 to see if the S97 is worth the wait (november).

Thanks

Baja

robertc88 · 07-17-04, 07:11 AM

Baja,

No other options at this point for upscaling?

I'm thinking of ordering the 318. Bringing the HD841 back is gonna hurt because I know what I have and the 318 is sight unseen and I cannot try it from a local retailer in NJ. I know about the store in PA that carries the 318 so I can order it.

From the release dates listed above, it will be awhile I suppose on upcoming models including the HD941.

So far the HD841 has played most any DVD pretty damn good but I may kick myself not trying the 318 with all the recommendations I've seen on this player. Not quite sure what my Tosh RPTV can handle though so don't know if I'd get a better picture.

The Denon 2200 since it is a universal player has me curious be it is lots more money and I need to research what capability that player gives for PQ. Trying it with a NJ dealer is no problem as I know of two local to me.

gshelley61 · 07-17-04, 07:38 AM

robertc88, better check my latest post here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...09#post4070309

I just got a Zenith 318 yesterday to possibly replace my year-old Bravo D1. Bottom line is the D1 is staying...

BajaFishin · 07-17-04, 08:28 AM

robert,

Sure, there are all the up-scale DVI players as an option.

question - are you using component or DVI? from your last post sounds like you're using component. Base on what I read here on the forum, the 318 has better picture quality over component than DVI, it has really good black and white level; unlike over DVI which it clip white.

Last post I was trying to say - if it was me, I'll go with the 318, Secret HI-FI it scores better on the core testing than the 841 and it has better de-interlacing. The 841 did not pass Blacker and black and the 318 did. And plus many people are very happy with the 318 here. So my opinion is base on what people say about this player.

I demo a 2200 last year october, and compare it to 931 -- sorry, I wouldn't go that route! I'll keep my 931; 2200 no thanks (that's just me, your display might look different).

Baja

iamnotmad · 07-17-04, 09:39 AM

Maybe I am putting too much importance on this but I think that the ability to adjust resolution and refresh is an important one to note here (so as to achieve 1:1 pixel ratio)

I need any little nugget of info that would help me quantify the value of 1:1 pixel ratio ( I use a sony HS-10 FP). Since I am not purchasing an 880 I guess universal (dvda/sacd) is more important to me in the end.

Are there any players at any cost right now or coming very soon, that suppport user configurable DVI and are universal players?

The 941 looks like the answer to my problems, except no adjustable DVI out.

robertc88 · 07-18-04, 08:43 AM

Baja,

I have seen the Sammy 931 at Best Buy available open box. There are some threads regarding comparisons between it and the 841. I am only utilizing a component connection 480p. Perhaps the 931 would give a better picture?

I don't want to sabotage this thread with discussions based on specific players I'm personally interested in but to get some feedback would be good. I'm hearing on another thread when someone wrote Samsung to inquire on release date of HD941 amongst other issues. That rep from Sammy stated no issues with 841 as far as they knew so I don't have a good feeling regarding the upcoming HD941.

I decided I won't go the mail order route for the DVB813. I want a player I can try and return right to the place I bought it if it is DOA or I don't like it. That is the case with "G" on the 813.

The 841 from what I remember does pass the black test through component, not DVI though. Another thread stated that the 813 through component 480p wasn't all that great. No matter since I not buying something I can try at home and return to the place I bought it if not satisified. So far the HD841 running component 480p is my best experience regarding PQ and no issues so far I have encountered with that player with that connection type regarding discs not loading, frame freezes, auto dropouts during playback, which I've run across on other players I tried.

Thanks for the feedback on your experience with the Denon 2200. I really don't want to spend that kind of money but at least there are two dealers close to me so I have the opportunity to check out that player. Cannot say the same for the DVD318.

gshelley61 · 07-18-04, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iamnotmad
Maybe I am putting too much importance on this but I think that the ability to adjust resolution and refresh is an important one to note here (so as to achieve 1:1 pixel ratio)

I need any little nugget of info that would help me quantify the value of 1:1 pixel ratio ( I use a sony HS-10 FP). Since I am not purchasing an 880 I guess universal (dvda/sacd) is more important to me in the end.

Are there any players at any cost right now or coming very soon, that suppport user configurable DVI and are universal players?

The 941 looks like the answer to my problems, except no adjustable DVI out.

I'm pretty sure the Momitsu 880 can be configured with customized output resolutions.

BajaFishin · 07-18-04, 06:19 PM

robert,

If your TV does not have DVI, (IMO) don't even think about trade your 841 in for a 931 - the farodja DCDi only work through DVI on the 931; component through on 931 is bad. Unless someday you're gonna upgrade the TV to have some DVI input display device.

The DVB-318 suppose be really good over component, at lease that's what I read here. I think the 318 is best suited for your need (just so you know, I don't own a 318, but from what I read, this is only my opinions).

1. It's got the Farodja DCDi, and you know your're getting a good de-interlacing chipset (so you don't have to worry about the de-interlacing performance).
2. it can up scale through both Component and DVI. Someday if your want to up-grade your TV with a DVI display device, you'll be able to use this player.
3. And it's only $200 bucks, get your money well worth it (name me another player with all these and with this price tag?).

But there are few down side about this player that I think you should know.

1. it crops the frame, streatch 4:3 movies.
2. it has "so so" mpeg performance.
3. white level sucks over DVI (but since you're gonna use component, this won't be an issue).

Oh yeah, about some people saying 318's PQ vs D1/ D2 /V880 - Here is my take on this:
D1/D2/V880 all use Sigma all in one chipset, it has one of the best MPEG decoder, but an "OK" de-interlacer. So there is a trade off - one player is got the best de-intercing chipset, but a "so so" mepeg decoder, and the sigma base got really good mpeg decoder, but a "so so" de-interlacer.

Anyway, there isn't a perfect DVD player out right now yet-
even a $2000 5900 is got some issues.
1. streatch all 4:3 materials
2. Edge Enheancement.
3. Macroblocking.

So for now is - what player is the best money we can buy??

That comes down to those players mallu2u listed on the first post.

Baja

Rob Tomlin · 07-18-04, 06:26 PM

I am in the same boat regarding a new DVI player, preferably with DVD-A and SACD.

I think Baja's post sums up the current situation pretty well.

Beaker1024 · 07-18-04, 07:04 PM

Well guys hopefully my reading of posts in the DVD player forum is over for a while. My hand was forced yesterday when my old Sony DVP-530D started acting like a insane maniac. It turns itself on, closes the tray without a being told too, won't open the tray fully (pulls back after half way), etc... It seems to be a little better today but have not even tried to play anything on it or trust it yet (might go to bedroom and try with some CD-RW VCDs I don't mind if it eats).

Anyways it's my only player (not going to count PS2) so my wife is very cool and even offered to let me go with the Pio Elite 59avi if we found it < 1k. But after sum hunting and thinking we decided a cheaper option would work for now ( then in a year or so get what I really want (at that time)).

So I was forced to go with the Zenith DVB318 from the "G". Got a great price and I hope it arrives before the end of this week.

I could not go with the V Inc. D1/D2 or V880 players due to the IR conflicts with my reciever. That leaves the infamous Samsung players which I would not touch with a ten foot pole (I hate audio sync issues and do not want black crush among other issues).

So now my trust in is Zenith (LG) to get out a firmware update for the 318 to slove the white crush over DVI. I will test outputing 720p over both Component and DVI (calibrating each connection seperately with DVE) to decide which to use for now.

BajaFishin · 07-18-04, 07:33 PM

Beaker,

You made the right choice to go with dvb318 for your setup. I read that many people who own the V880 with pionner TV or Receiver, when they turn up the volume the V880 shut off or something like that - that would bother the crap outta me.

When or after you get your 318, I know for sure that you will still visit here daily, I know this, 'cause after I got all the HT stuff, I thought it to myself - that's it. But NO... Look at me, I've been bite by the HT BUG.

Hey be sure you let us know your first impression about your new toy.

Baja

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mallu2u AVS Special Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 2,830	Upconverting DVD Player Options/Impressions Folks: Follwing are some of the DVI/HDMI/COM Upconverting DVD Players. I shall continue to update this post on new player options and their release date (as that info is made available). If I have missed some, please let me know and I shall add them. Code: DVD Player Release Date Upconversion Region MSRP Best Price @ Universal Network Free $ (Check store/website) Player Capable [list=1] [] Momitsu V880 Deluxe Available COM/DVI Yes 259 Extremephono/HiviZone No No [] Zenith DVB318** Available DVI/COM* Yes 249 Amazon/Gochnauers No No[] Denon 1910 Available DVI ?? 269 Tweeter/Crutchfield/Abt No No [] Samsung 841 Available DVI ?? 249 Amazon/BB/Newegg No No[] Samsung 941 Available HDMI ?? 299 Amazon/ABT Elec Yes No [] Panasonic S97 Available HDMI ?? 299 J&R/Onecall DVD-Audio No [] Bravo D2 Available DVI ?? 249 Vinc No No [] Sony DVP-NS975V Available HDMI ?? 299 J&R/Onecall SACD No[] Denon 2910 Available DVI/HDMI ?? 729 Tweeter Yes No[] Denon 3910 Available DVI/HDMI ?? 1299 Tweeter/Crutchfield*** Yes No[] Pioneer DV59-AVI Available HDMI ?? 1600 ?? Yes No[] LG DVB418 Available HDMI ?? 199 Best Buy No No[] NeuNeo HVD108 Available COM/VGA Yes 199 NeuNeo Website No No[] Toshiba SD-5970 Available HDMI ?? 199 ?? No No[] Onkyo DV-SP1000 Available HDMI ?? 1999 Crutchfield ?? Yes No[] Bravo D3 Q1 2005? DVI ?? ?? Vinc No Yes [] Momitsu V880N Available COM/DVI Yes 379 Extremephono/HiviZone No Yes [] AVeL LinkPlayer2 Available COM ?? 249 Iodata website No Yes[] Oppo DV971H Available DVI ?? 249 Extremephono No No Zenith's new Firmware disables upconversion over component! Therefore new lot shall not have upscaling over component. Zenith's New Firmware disables upconversion over component! Grab the few remaining while you can at Amazon/Gochnauers/Best Buy or other online retailers. * NeuNeo Player does not have DVI/HDMI and therefore no upconversion over them. DVD Players Product Information Momitsu V880: http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880spec.html Momitsu V880N: http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880nspec.html Bravo D2: http://www.vinc.com/product.asp?ID=56&PID=21&SEQ=2 Samsung 841: http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/na...VD-HD841%2fXAA Zenith DVB318: http://www.zenith.com/sub_prod/downloads_pdf/DVB318.pdf http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=421473 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=411532 Panasonic S97: http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...Model=DVD-S97S http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_el...12&cont_id=578 Sony DVP-NS975V: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...DVD_DVDPlayers http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...onics&n=507846 Denon 1910, 2910 & 3910 http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4 LG DVB418 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....3&type=product http://us.lge.com/index.do NeuNeo DVD Player http://www.neuneo.com/products/DVD/hddvd_feature.asp Toshiba SD-5970 http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvd/prod...?model=sd-5970 Samsung 941 http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/n...VD-HD941%2fXAA Onkyo DV-SP1000 http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=...&class=DVD&p=i AVeL LinkPlayer2 http://www.iodata.com/usa/products/p...VDLA&ts=2&tsc= Pioneer DV59-AVI http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...442807,00.html Oppo DV971H http://www.extremephono.com/Oppo_DV971.htm [/list=1] Master Threads for the above players on the forum Momitsu V880 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=405786 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=390833 Momitsu V880N http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=344021 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=422467 Zenith DVB 318 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=328403 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=400480 Denon Players http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=422108 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=368827 Samsung 941 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=422282 Samsung 841 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=350992 Samsung Players http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=350992 Bravo D2 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=406356 Bravo D3 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=394135 Panasonic S97 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=463025 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=409422 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&highlight=s97 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=347960 Sony DVP-NS975V http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0&pagenumber=1 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ight=sony+hdmi http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=465186 Denon 1910 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=437950 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=441939 Denon 2910 & 3910 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&pagenumber=22 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=422108 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=368827 LG DVB418 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=426637 NeuNeo DVD Player http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=461430 Samsung 941 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0&pagenumber=1 Onkyo DV-SP1000 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0&pagenumber=1 AVeL LinkPlayer2 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=484807 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=459759 Pioneer 59-AVI http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=494699 Oppo DV971H http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=oppo http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=482239 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=oppo Last edited by mallu2u; 01-20-05 at 03:43 PM..

07-16-04, 02:45 PM	#3 \| Link
mallu2u AVS Special Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 2,830	What would be fantastic is if some who knows some of the players above can post the current Pros & Cons. Additionally if someone can post pictures of the above players. My Current Setup: TV: Sony 60'' XBR TV Receiver: Yamaha Receiver DVD Player: Panasonic CV51 & Pioneer 563A Satellite: D* Last edited by mallu2u; 07-16-04 at 03:14 PM..

07-16-04, 02:50 PM	#4 \| Link
miniz OFFICAL HOME OF HDTV Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Small Town X, HDTV Land Posts: 2,221	When you say updated version for the DVB318 you mean firmware only, not a model replacement such as a 319 or something like that? __________________ "PLEASE HELP STOP HDTV ABUSE! FEED YOUR HDTV AN HD SIGNAL!"

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AcuraCL AVS Special Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Suburban Baltimore Posts: 3,784	Mallu, you might think about adding a line under each one listing major features, like: output on DVI, HDMI, or Component (or all); DVD Audio support, Coax/optical audio out, adjustable output resolutions, etc. Isn't there a Bravo unit too?

07-16-04, 03:07 PM	#7 \| Link
mallu2u AVS Special Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 2,830	AcuraCL: Added the two Bravo players. About the features. You're right, I shall collect info on the features of the above players so that I can add to the post. Do you know some of the features of the above players? It would be great if everyone contributes regarding what they already know. So..if people send info as Player Name Player Info: Pros: Cons: I shall then also appen the original post with basic info of the players. Thanks for your great suggestions! Last edited by mallu2u; 07-16-04 at 03:22 PM..

07-16-04, 12:03 PM	#2 \| Link
Beaker1024 Advanced Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New London County, CT Posts: 885 Classified Rating: 100% (2)	Thanks mallu2u, I believe continually updating the information on your first post (particularly the expected release date) will be a great summary area for the many threads on the several highly anticipated upscaling players. This could be a big time saver for those of us trying to keep an eye on several of the players. Thank you for your time in establishing this thread and hopefully mantaining the information. I will try to help as I can along the way. My current setup: TV = Panny 50LC13; native res = 720p AVR = Pio Elite 45tx current DVD Player = cica '98 Sony 5xx 480i

07-16-04, 03:00 PM	#6 \| Link
mallu2u AVS Special Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 2,830	miniz: I mean the same player but an updated firmware since Zenith is currently testing a new firmware that fixes the white crush issues.

07-16-04, 03:24 PM	#8 \| Link
Grolsch New Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8	For completion, you might want to add a currently widely available Samsung 841 (and maybe even 931).

07-16-04, 03:26 PM	#9 \| Link
AcuraCL AVS Special Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Suburban Baltimore Posts: 3,784	Or ... I dunno ... pros and cons could get long, as could a feature list .... Maybe you could try it with a link to the spec page for the unit. Momitsu V880: http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880spec.html Momitsu V880N: http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880nspec.html Bravo D1: http://www.vinc.com/product.asp?ID=31&PID=21&SEQ=1 Bravo D2: http://www.vinc.com/product.asp?ID=56&PID=21&SEQ=2 Samsung 841: http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/na...Specifications Samsung 931: http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/na...Specifications Zenith DVB318: http://www.zenith.com/sub_prod/downloads_pdf/DVB318.pdf No links on the "not yet introduced" units yet .... Last edited by AcuraCL; 07-16-04 at 03:35 PM..

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mallu2u AVS Special Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 2,830	Wow! What amazing information AcuraCL. You rock!

07-16-04, 04:14 PM	#13 \| Link
mallu2u AVS Special Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 2,830	I was going over the Momitsu 880N player Manual today just for fun and I am suddenly very interested in this player. I hope they deliver on time and with good performance. The upside to this player is a lot due to its networking capability. I sincerely hope they work on improving their graphical interface.

07-16-04, 04:59 PM	#14 \| Link
bruman Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Patriot Land Posts: 574	I have the Zenith DVB318 comming tomorrow and the displays I will be testing it on is my Sony XBR800 36" DVI and a X1 via component. I had a hard time deciding on which player cause everyone says this is the one....etc the Zenith was best cause the DVI and component. if they fix the white crush that will be great. Im not expecting magic and hope im pleasantly suprised as the sony is a smaller CRT and the X1 is not true HD but if it can be a big leao from my Pioneer 563A in progressive I will be a happy camper. I wish I didn't sell my XP50 before I got the X1. on my Sony it just wasnt that much a difference(although I could see if I really looked)compared to the Pioneer from 11ft away. still im excited to see what the Zenith can do. it really came down to a unit that would work on both my displays.

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Prozakk Want another Ultra/2 Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,657	I'll wait for the new Denons to be out... __________________ Anyone selling an SVS PB12 Ultra/2 in Textured Black in North Tx, Ok., La., or Ar., P.M. me please. Have truck, will travel! My outdated HT pics

07-16-04, 08:53 PM	#16 \| Link
BillP AVS Addicted Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: PA Posts: 11,425	There's also a Sony with HDMI out coming in Sept.

07-17-04, 05:49 AM	#17 \| Link
BajaFishin Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 707	mallu and beaker, Thanks to you guys for the idea of creating this thread. My situation might be a little different from you guys, but I am in the market for a new DVD player. Here is my set up: Sammy DLP TV Yamaha RX-2400 HD931 V880 Anyway, in about 2 - 3 month, I am getting a projector and needs to get a DVD player with it. These are the projectors on my list: Infocus 4805 - Native Resolution 854x480 DLP Panny AE500 - 1280 x 720 LCD Sanyo Z2 - 1280 x 720 LCD If I go with the Infocus 4805, then I would probably need a DVD player that can do custom resolution (or maybe not), that leaves me only with D2 and V880/N. But since I already have the V880, I don't really want to get another one. So Here are my list: Denon 1910 (go by the history of denon players, they have really good de-intercing and good Core, so this is on my top list) Sammy HD941 (SACD and DVD-A, I know I don't use it, but it's better to have it than not having it, will see the reviews when it come out) Brovo D2 / D3 (D2, to me, it's like a moded V880, I will probably keep a eye on D3, but will see what happens) Zenith DVB-318 (Everyday I'm reading people saying good thing about this player, and there are so many happy owenrs out there, so ....) --------------------- OK as for V880 - (there are tons of reviews about this player, but here is my list of pros and cons, by the way, I am a big fan of V880) 1. No HDCP over DVI - this might be a big deal for some people with DVI display that dont have HDCP, if you want to use DVI, there are only couple players that would work, and V880 is one of them. 2. Up convert over both component and DVI. 3. Doesn't streatch 4:3 format. 4. Region and macrovsion free (you can set to any region you want, or set to 0 and set it back as many time as you like, BAAM, even though I only have 2 DVD that is not region 1, but just so I have this feature is a plus). 5. Plays support wide range of formats (Dvix, +, - , all of them ). 6. No EE 7. No black (DVI) and white crush. Name me another player that got all these with this price tag???? Down fall of V880 - 1. IR code conflicts with Pionner stuff (Can't do nothing about it, so if you own a pioneer equietment, look some where else). 2. We all know about the loader issue (But you can replace it with a lite-on 166s loader, and the "how-to" is all over the forum). 3. Black level over componet sucks (at least to me, but I use DVI and DVI only, that's why we all getting a DVI player right ). ---------------------- HD931 -- 1. Farodja Chipset (Good de-interlacing, I watch DVD movies on this player only with DVD disc that is badly flag) 2. It scores pretty good on Secret HIFi. 3. I like the remote (but I know many people hate it, I am so use to it that I can close my eye and access any function I want) 4. man, I don't know what else to say. 931 - down fall 1. BAD Black and white level (It bothers me). 2. Grainny picture quality (It bothers me really bad, that's when I made up mine mind to get the V880). 3. EE (but I never saw it, unless someone can help me to look for it). 4. Lip sync issue (But it never happen to mine player). ############################### I will be use the DVI player and the projector 100% for DVD movies only. So I'm looking for a player with a good core and de-interlacer. As you can see that I have 2 DVI players for 1 TV, I don't want to do the same again. So, this time I will do my homework before I pull the trigger. Any questions, suggestions or flames... Welcome Baja

07-17-04, 06:43 AM	#18 \| Link
robertc88 AVS Special Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,759	Well count me in with being a person looking for a DVD player currently. I however am only doing component connection to Tosh TN50X81 RPTV at 480p. I believe the Zenith 318 upconverts for component so the threads on this player I started reading a few days ago. Is there any other players that I should be looking at given my connection and playback with the links that were supplied? I'm currently trying the Sammy HD841 and for $200 I'm quite pleased with the PQ versus other players I have tried so far.

07-17-04, 06:58 AM	#19 \| Link
BajaFishin Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 707	robertc, If I were you choosing between 841 and 318, I would take the 841 back and order the 318. The 318 up converts both component and DVI, and from what I read, no Black and white crush over component, and it's got Frarodja chipset. Baja

07-17-04, 07:05 AM	#20 \| Link
BajaFishin Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 707	Hi All, Can someone list some important features and specs, compare 1910 ans S97 to see if the S97 is worth the wait (november). Thanks Baja

07-17-04, 07:11 AM	#21 \| Link
robertc88 AVS Special Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,759	Baja, No other options at this point for upscaling? I'm thinking of ordering the 318. Bringing the HD841 back is gonna hurt because I know what I have and the 318 is sight unseen and I cannot try it from a local retailer in NJ. I know about the store in PA that carries the 318 so I can order it. From the release dates listed above, it will be awhile I suppose on upcoming models including the HD941. So far the HD841 has played most any DVD pretty damn good but I may kick myself not trying the 318 with all the recommendations I've seen on this player. Not quite sure what my Tosh RPTV can handle though so don't know if I'd get a better picture. The Denon 2200 since it is a universal player has me curious be it is lots more money and I need to research what capability that player gives for PQ. Trying it with a NJ dealer is no problem as I know of two local to me.

07-17-04, 07:38 AM	#22 \| Link
gshelley61 Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 808	robertc88, better check my latest post here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...09#post4070309 I just got a Zenith 318 yesterday to possibly replace my year-old Bravo D1. Bottom line is the D1 is staying...

07-17-04, 08:28 AM	#23 \| Link
BajaFishin Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 707	robert, Sure, there are all the up-scale DVI players as an option. question - are you using component or DVI? from your last post sounds like you're using component. Base on what I read here on the forum, the 318 has better picture quality over component than DVI, it has really good black and white level; unlike over DVI which it clip white. Last post I was trying to say - if it was me, I'll go with the 318, Secret HI-FI it scores better on the core testing than the 841 and it has better de-interlacing. The 841 did not pass Blacker and black and the 318 did. And plus many people are very happy with the 318 here. So my opinion is base on what people say about this player. I demo a 2200 last year october, and compare it to 931 -- sorry, I wouldn't go that route! I'll keep my 931; 2200 no thanks (that's just me, your display might look different). Baja

07-17-04, 09:39 AM	#24 \| Link
iamnotmad Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 315	Maybe I am putting too much importance on this but I think that the ability to adjust resolution and refresh is an important one to note here (so as to achieve 1:1 pixel ratio) I need any little nugget of info that would help me quantify the value of 1:1 pixel ratio ( I use a sony HS-10 FP). Since I am not purchasing an 880 I guess universal (dvda/sacd) is more important to me in the end. Are there any players at any cost right now or coming very soon, that suppport user configurable DVI and are universal players? The 941 looks like the answer to my problems, except no adjustable DVI out.

07-18-04, 08:43 AM	#25 \| Link
robertc88 AVS Special Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,759	Baja, I have seen the Sammy 931 at Best Buy available open box. There are some threads regarding comparisons between it and the 841. I am only utilizing a component connection 480p. Perhaps the 931 would give a better picture? I don't want to sabotage this thread with discussions based on specific players I'm personally interested in but to get some feedback would be good. I'm hearing on another thread when someone wrote Samsung to inquire on release date of HD941 amongst other issues. That rep from Sammy stated no issues with 841 as far as they knew so I don't have a good feeling regarding the upcoming HD941. I decided I won't go the mail order route for the DVB813. I want a player I can try and return right to the place I bought it if it is DOA or I don't like it. That is the case with "G" on the 813. The 841 from what I remember does pass the black test through component, not DVI though. Another thread stated that the 813 through component 480p wasn't all that great. No matter since I not buying something I can try at home and return to the place I bought it if not satisified. So far the HD841 running component 480p is my best experience regarding PQ and no issues so far I have encountered with that player with that connection type regarding discs not loading, frame freezes, auto dropouts during playback, which I've run across on other players I tried. Thanks for the feedback on your experience with the Denon 2200. I really don't want to spend that kind of money but at least there are two dealers close to me so I have the opportunity to check out that player. Cannot say the same for the DVD318.

07-18-04, 06:19 PM	#27 \| Link
BajaFishin Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 707	robert, If your TV does not have DVI, (IMO) don't even think about trade your 841 in for a 931 - the farodja DCDi only work through DVI on the 931; component through on 931 is bad. Unless someday you're gonna upgrade the TV to have some DVI input display device. The DVB-318 suppose be really good over component, at lease that's what I read here. I think the 318 is best suited for your need (just so you know, I don't own a 318, but from what I read, this is only my opinions). 1. It's got the Farodja DCDi, and you know your're getting a good de-interlacing chipset (so you don't have to worry about the de-interlacing performance). 2. it can up scale through both Component and DVI. Someday if your want to up-grade your TV with a DVI display device, you'll be able to use this player. 3. And it's only $200 bucks, get your money well worth it (name me another player with all these and with this price tag?). But there are few down side about this player that I think you should know. 1. it crops the frame, streatch 4:3 movies. 2. it has "so so" mpeg performance. 3. white level sucks over DVI (but since you're gonna use component, this won't be an issue). Oh yeah, about some people saying 318's PQ vs D1/ D2 /V880 - Here is my take on this: D1/D2/V880 all use Sigma all in one chipset, it has one of the best MPEG decoder, but an "OK" de-interlacer. So there is a trade off - one player is got the best de-intercing chipset, but a "so so" mepeg decoder, and the sigma base got really good mpeg decoder, but a "so so" de-interlacer. Anyway, there isn't a perfect DVD player out right now yet- even a $2000 5900 is got some issues. 1. streatch all 4:3 materials 2. Edge Enheancement. 3. Macroblocking. So for now is - what player is the best money we can buy?? That comes down to those players mallu2u listed on the first post. Baja

07-18-04, 06:26 PM	#28 \| Link
Rob Tomlin Lawrence on Blu-ray! AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 12,629	I am in the same boat regarding a new DVI player, preferably with DVD-A and SACD. I think Baja's post sums up the current situation pretty well. __________________ My HT

07-18-04, 07:04 PM	#29 \| Link
Beaker1024 Advanced Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New London County, CT Posts: 885 Classified Rating: 100% (2)	Well guys hopefully my reading of posts in the DVD player forum is over for a while. My hand was forced yesterday when my old Sony DVP-530D started acting like a insane maniac. It turns itself on, closes the tray without a being told too, won't open the tray fully (pulls back after half way), etc... It seems to be a little better today but have not even tried to play anything on it or trust it yet (might go to bedroom and try with some CD-RW VCDs I don't mind if it eats). Anyways it's my only player (not going to count PS2) so my wife is very cool and even offered to let me go with the Pio Elite 59avi if we found it < 1k. But after sum hunting and thinking we decided a cheaper option would work for now ( then in a year or so get what I really want (at that time)). So I was forced to go with the Zenith DVB318 from the "G". Got a great price and I hope it arrives before the end of this week. I could not go with the V Inc. D1/D2 or V880 players due to the IR conflicts with my reciever. That leaves the infamous Samsung players which I would not touch with a ten foot pole (I hate audio sync issues and do not want black crush among other issues). So now my trust in is Zenith (LG) to get out a firmware update for the 318 to slove the white crush over DVI. I will test outputing 720p over both Component and DVI (calibrating each connection seperately with DVE) to decide which to use for now.

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BajaFishin Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 707	Beaker, You made the right choice to go with dvb318 for your setup. I read that many people who own the V880 with pionner TV or Receiver, when they turn up the volume the V880 shut off or something like that - that would bother the crap outta me. When or after you get your 318, I know for sure that you will still visit here daily, I know this, 'cause after I got all the HT stuff, I thought it to myself - that's it. But NO... Look at me, I've been bite by the HT BUG. Hey be sure you let us know your first impression about your new toy. Baja