new Toshiba SDK850 HDMI Upsampler at Costco?

Derek87 · 10-09-05, 03:07 PM

has anyone tried this unit out? just saw it this morning at the Costco in the SF Bay Area.

it's pretty darn cheap (not sure i'm allowed to list the price but it's less than half the price of the Panny S77) and has HDMI output along with upsampling.

i haven't sen too many favorable comments on other Toshiba upsamplers, but for the price, maybe this unit is ok for occasional movies on a "secondary" HD set?

Eugene157 · 10-14-05, 12:25 PM

I almost bought it but decided to look here first. Is a cable included?
Gene

MUCHO · 10-17-05, 08:45 PM

I bought one today, returned my third LG LD-511

I haven't played around with it much but I can tell you -

Remote works great (not backlit however)

Puts out 480P via HDMI which is important to me since I'm using an Optoma H27

I'll be comparing this to the Oppo which is due to arrive in a few days but the Toshiba is less than half the price.

Derek87 · 10-18-05, 12:09 PM

MUCHO - are you putting this into an ED display (hence, the 480p output)? definitely will look forward to your comments.

anyone try this outputting 720p or 1080i to a 1366x768 (or something similar) display?

MUCHO · 10-20-05, 12:54 PM

Did some more testing. The 480P out from the HDMI cable is important because I'm using an H27 which is a EDTV projector but apparently puts out a better sharper picture with a digital imput. (Plus there is only one set of component imputs)

There is an annoying bright blue light on the tray that stays on all the time. It is easy to turn off in the service menu, but when you turn off the player it resets to the "on" position. Annoying - not a deal breaker.

You have to manually change the settings in the service menu depending on the disc you're playing for 4:3 or 16:9. Not a big deal.

Picture at 480P is great. I don't have a lot to compare it to, just the LG LDA-511 I used to own. I would say its equal.

It passes my "Lord of the Rings Test". Stupidly all three LG LDA-511 players would not play my retail extended version LOTR DVD. (A total deal breaker

)

Sound quality is great, once you change it to bit stream in the service menu for digital out. When I say great - I mean sounds good to me. My entire audio setup was only $200 (Logitech Z5500 on sale at Dell)

Plays Divx Xvid files no problem, but it doesn't read them as fast as the LG 511 does. Also - you have to manually change the aspect raito to get the right sized picture (See above)

According to the manual it plays CD-R and DVD-R discs and I tried both. I don't have any CD+R or DVD+R discs to try. The manual doesn't mention it supports these type - it may or may not.

Later today I'll compare to the Oppo but I'm guessing at 480P the PQ will be the same. I'll try to figure out how I can compare the upscaling feature on both later...maybe take them over to a friends house.

Meanwhile - I had a great time watching the superbit version of Black Hawk Down last night.

Derek87 · 10-20-05, 01:13 PM

thanks MUCHO.

anyone out there try this out on a HDTV. i guess i could try it ouf the group, but i'm leaning towards just biting the bullet and getting the Panasonic S77 since it so universally praised and i've conversed with a few S77 owners who have my Aquos who are very pleased with the combo.

gman76 · 10-20-05, 02:34 PM

On a similar thread, someone said that the 850 is identical to the 4980. Price diff about $55. Seems odd.

And someone said the component output was very good. My Z1 pj should be able to take advantage of the simple 2:1 scaling from 1080i down to its native 540p. So I think I'll try it.

AN HDMI cable can be had for about $6 (monoprice) or try pricewatch.

MUCHO · 10-20-05, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gman76

AN HDMI cable can be had for about $6 (monoprice) or try pricewatch.

I forgot to mention this comes with a HDMI cable. I haven't taken a look at it as I already own a HDMI to DVI cable that I'm using so I can't comment on its quality.

MUCHO · 10-24-05, 01:44 AM

Alright - been busy so it took me a while. I tried out a few discs, picking ones that were not of highest quality to see if either DVD player could make a difference. I also played several DIVX XVID files and compared.

Bottom line is - at 480P there is no difference between the Oppo and the Toshiba. I'm sure when you're upscaling there is a big difference. My quest for a DVD player has ended. If you just want a 480P DVD player that has digital (HDMI or DVI) out along with the ability to play DIVX files and don't want to break the bank while doing so - they Toshiba SDK850 is the player you're looking for.

Oppo is going back.

Derek87 · 10-24-05, 11:09 AM

thanks MUCH. gman - did you end up trying this out with higher upsampling rates (1080i)?

Itsdon · 10-24-05, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gman76

On a similar thread, someone said that the 850 is identical to the 4980. Price diff about $55. Seems odd.

That would be disheartening if true as the 4980 has fairly miserable reviews. I was hoping Toshiba would have addressed the 4980's deficiencies with this new model. If all they did was rebadge it for Costco and drop the price then at least they made it what it's worth, $79.00 instead of $139.00. I'll do a bit of research to see if this is true.

MUCHO · 10-24-05, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek87

thanks MUCH. gman - did you end up trying this out with higher upsampling rates (1080i)?

No. I don't own any display capable of doing more than 480P. Anything I put through my H27 gets resized to its native resolution.

Fielding Mellish · 10-24-05, 04:39 PM

Has anyone seen one of these in a Detroit-area Costco yet? I tried to find it on their website, but came up with nada.

toymon · 10-24-05, 06:52 PM

Hello anyone else having this problem?
Toshiba 850 problem playing dvix and mp3's on dvds
on cd-r's no problem only on dvdr's
is there a fix or is this the final word?
on page 51 in the owners manual
It's recommended you record same files in a cd-rom or cd-r?

thank you for you help
toymon

bitpoh · 10-24-05, 10:16 PM

I picked up the SD-K580 today from my local Costco. Was able to make it region free using the procedure posted at videohelp.com for SD-4980. I am connecting it to my TV using component output (TV doesn't have HDMI). From the limited amount of time I have been playing with it, below are my experience:

- PQ at 480p is much better than the PQ of Philips DVP642, though not as good as my HTPC output using Radeon 9600 Component output

- I am able to play various DivX, Xvid, and VCD files I have , on both DVD+R and DVD-R media. Some of the files that either refused to play or played back very jerkily on the DVP642 play fine on the K580. I have not been able to figure out how to get external subtitle to work, or confirm if external subtitle is supported.

I will continue to play with it, but so far I am quite happy with the performance. Now it would be awesome if someone can figure out how to disable HDCP so that it can upscale/upconvert via component output.

neo6 · 10-25-05, 03:43 AM

The name 'SD K-850' would suggest a samsung hd-850 rebadging.

Can an owner of the Toshiba player confirm by comparing with the Samsung ?

shaunieo · 10-25-05, 02:39 PM

Just picked up the sd-k850 at costco on sat. Plugged it this amand dissappointed. Started of with a verbatim DVD-R...wouldn't load. Tried a Star Wars 1 Widescreen Commercial disc ---no load...pissed off..called Toshiba. Told to unplug power and reset. Then Star wars loaded. Tried my DVD-R agin ..no load.

Here's the point...appears much more finicky than any of the other players in the house..even the $39 cyberhome in my daughters bedroom. I don't want a player that may or may not work and has to be continually reset.

I did try the 720p and 1080i on my philips 32" HDTV lcd though...and it was nice..just not nice enough to worry about if it will play!!!!

Any thoughts on why it won't play the DVD-R are welcome.
I did get one of my DVD-R's (not Divx-just video) to work, funny thing it is was made on the same computer and same recorder as the others that don't work and the disc is the same mfg...verbatim..

bitpoh · 10-26-05, 12:12 AM

Hmm. . . Shaunieo, I don't have the problems you experienced at all. Weird . . . does it make a difference if your burnt DVD is finalized or not, i.e. does one play better vs. the other?

shaunieo · 10-26-05, 09:52 AM

They're all finalized and play fine on all the other players I have...guess I'll return it and wait for a few months...

Derek87 · 10-26-05, 11:07 AM

shaunieo,

unfortunately, i can't help you and your experience with the Star Wars disc is worrisome, nevertheless,

on your philips 32", did you see a noticeable improvement in picture quality in going from 480p to 720p/1080i? (everyone else here has only posted about it working well at 480p)

ie, how good does this upsampler work?

thanks!

JimSD · 10-26-05, 02:25 PM

Derek, I don't know if you saw my post in another thread about this model, but I could not detect a difference between 480p/720p/1080i on a 32" Sharp. Admittedly I did mostly quick tests of specific scenes I wanted to compare on vs watching an entire movie, but I just did not see much, if any, difference at the upscaled resolutions. Maybe the upscaled were slightly better, but it seemed to be more the power of suggestion to me. To me it was no better than my old interlaced Sony player (which has much better build quality). Maybe 32" is too small of a screen to notice a difference.

Derek87 · 10-26-05, 07:26 PM

hmm...that's disappointing Jim.

i guess i really should just bite the bullet and buy the Panny S77 that everyone raves about. that being said, i haven't seen it myself.

what i have seen was a $600 Denon upsampler (same chip as the Panny) at my friend's house on a 32" aquos and there was a noticeable different between 480p and 720p/1080i (i couldn't see any real difference in the latter -- it was subtle) which were both better than their old cheap 480i Sony player.

who knows what i'll find with the S77, but i guess i need to look elsewhere than this cheap Toshiba.

thanks.

JimSD · 10-26-05, 08:04 PM

Derek, You can always just try the Toshiba and then return it to Costco if you don't like it. Don't necessarily take my word as definitive. I haven't seen the Panny S77 myself, but I can't help but think that I'd be happier paying more for a better built machine. For point of reference, I'm used to a nice Denon 2200 on our other set so that probably has set the standard for me.

bitpoh · 10-26-05, 08:10 PM

Derek87, some people would argue that the upsampling beneifts vary greatly from tv to tv. Do you think it would be beneficial for you to borrow your friend's Denon and test it on your tv set first before you jump through the hoops? If you also have an Aquous then forget it <grin>.

Derek87 · 10-26-05, 08:18 PM

hi bitpoh,

thanksfully, i have an Aquos too since my friend lives about 1000 miles from me!

anyway, i just bit the bullet and ordered the S77 from Amazon. i already kick myself for missing the $10 buck off sale a few days ago, so i jumped today before they got rid of the free shipping sale (not normal for products like this one)

enough said since this is after all a Toshiba thread!

JimSD: the Panny is ok as far as build quality goes, not as well built however, as my six year old Panasonic RV30 which still keeps going strong on our non-HD set. The Denon's are nice (i liked my friend's), but for my uses, it's too much to spend on this set. our home theater is currently on our older 36" CRT which will eventually be replaced in a few years with something better and hopefully, if titles become available, some sort of HD player.

anyway, thanks for all the discussion and comments.

Eugene157 · 10-27-05, 01:27 AM

Has anyone tried to play a JPEG file in the 1080 mode to see if it shows full resolution.

I tried it with a Cyberhome player and the results were stunning, my digital still camera pictures were in full 1980x1020 on a 37" LCD display.
However the Cyberhome player was a piece of junk so it went back.
BTW I used the HDMI connection.
Regular DVDs were just slightly better than a Philips with RGB output 480p

I think that this upscaling is not worth the trouble unless one uses the JPEG feature. Depends on the scaler in the display of course, if it's lousy then upscaling will help.
Gene

JimSD · 10-27-05, 11:50 AM

Derek, let us know how the S77 pairs up with the Aquos when you get a chance to play with it a bit.

MUCHO · 10-27-05, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltchan

Has anybody gone through one whole DVD movie without any freezes? I'm on my second SD-K850, and they all have the one-time freeze for five seconds that happened anywhere during playback.

Yeah - I noticed that. I'm not sure if I have made it through a disc without it...

Oh - in my case anyways - I haven't found a disc or divx file it won't play.

Derek87 · 10-27-05, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MUCHO

Yeah - I noticed that. I'm not sure if I have made it through a disc without it...

Oh - in my case anyways - I haven't found a disc or divx file it won't play.

guys, this isn't a layer change is it?

(in spite of already ordering an S77, i'm still interested in this player for friends and family

)

bitpoh · 10-27-05, 02:29 PM

I was thinking the same thing -- layer change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek87

guys, this isn't a layer change is it?

(in spite of already ordering an S77, i'm still interested in this player for friends and family

)

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MUCHO AVS Special Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,125	Did some more testing. The 480P out from the HDMI cable is important because I'm using an H27 which is a EDTV projector but apparently puts out a better sharper picture with a digital imput. (Plus there is only one set of component imputs) There is an annoying bright blue light on the tray that stays on all the time. It is easy to turn off in the service menu, but when you turn off the player it resets to the "on" position. Annoying - not a deal breaker. You have to manually change the settings in the service menu depending on the disc you're playing for 4:3 or 16:9. Not a big deal. Picture at 480P is great. I don't have a lot to compare it to, just the LG LDA-511 I used to own. I would say its equal. It passes my "Lord of the Rings Test". Stupidly all three LG LDA-511 players would not play my retail extended version LOTR DVD. (A total deal breaker ) Sound quality is great, once you change it to bit stream in the service menu for digital out. When I say great - I mean sounds good to me. My entire audio setup was only $200 (Logitech Z5500 on sale at Dell) Plays Divx Xvid files no problem, but it doesn't read them as fast as the LG 511 does. Also - you have to manually change the aspect raito to get the right sized picture (See above) According to the manual it plays CD-R and DVD-R discs and I tried both. I don't have any CD+R or DVD+R discs to try. The manual doesn't mention it supports these type - it may or may not. Later today I'll compare to the Oppo but I'm guessing at 480P the PQ will be the same. I'll try to figure out how I can compare the upscaling feature on both later...maybe take them over to a friends house. Meanwhile - I had a great time watching the superbit version of Black Hawk Down last night.

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bitpoh Perpetual Novice Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 298	I picked up the SD-K580 today from my local Costco. Was able to make it region free using the procedure posted at videohelp.com for SD-4980. I am connecting it to my TV using component output (TV doesn't have HDMI). From the limited amount of time I have been playing with it, below are my experience: - PQ at 480p is much better than the PQ of Philips DVP642, though not as good as my HTPC output using Radeon 9600 Component output - I am able to play various DivX, Xvid, and VCD files I have , on both DVD+R and DVD-R media. Some of the files that either refused to play or played back very jerkily on the DVP642 play fine on the K580. I have not been able to figure out how to get external subtitle to work, or confirm if external subtitle is supported. I will continue to play with it, but so far I am quite happy with the performance. Now it would be awesome if someone can figure out how to disable HDCP so that it can upscale/upconvert via component output.

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MUCHO AVS Special Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,125	I bought one today, returned my third LG LD-511 I haven't played around with it much but I can tell you - Remote works great (not backlit however) Puts out 480P via HDMI which is important to me since I'm using an Optoma H27 I'll be comparing this to the Oppo which is due to arrive in a few days but the Toshiba is less than half the price.

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Derek87 newbie videophile Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 475	MUCHO - are you putting this into an ED display (hence, the 480p output)? definitely will look forward to your comments. anyone try this outputting 720p or 1080i to a 1366x768 (or something similar) display?

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Derek87 newbie videophile Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 475	thanks MUCHO. anyone out there try this out on a HDTV. i guess i could try it ouf the group, but i'm leaning towards just biting the bullet and getting the Panasonic S77 since it so universally praised and i've conversed with a few S77 owners who have my Aquos who are very pleased with the combo.

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gman76 Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 108	On a similar thread, someone said that the 850 is identical to the 4980. Price diff about $55. Seems odd. And someone said the component output was very good. My Z1 pj should be able to take advantage of the simple 2:1 scaling from 1080i down to its native 540p. So I think I'll try it. AN HDMI cable can be had for about $6 (monoprice) or try pricewatch.

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MUCHO AVS Special Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,125	Alright - been busy so it took me a while. I tried out a few discs, picking ones that were not of highest quality to see if either DVD player could make a difference. I also played several DIVX XVID files and compared. Bottom line is - at 480P there is no difference between the Oppo and the Toshiba. I'm sure when you're upscaling there is a big difference. My quest for a DVD player has ended. If you just want a 480P DVD player that has digital (HDMI or DVI) out along with the ability to play DIVX files and don't want to break the bank while doing so - they Toshiba SDK850 is the player you're looking for. Oppo is going back.

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Fielding Mellish Junta Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The People's Republic of San Marcos Posts: 4	Has anyone seen one of these in a Detroit-area Costco yet? I tried to find it on their website, but came up with nada.

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neo6 New Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1	toshiba SD K-850 = Samsung HD-850 ? The name 'SD K-850' would suggest a samsung hd-850 rebadging. Can an owner of the Toshiba player confirm by comparing with the Samsung ?

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shaunieo New Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2	Thinking about returning it!! Just picked up the sd-k850 at costco on sat. Plugged it this amand dissappointed. Started of with a verbatim DVD-R...wouldn't load. Tried a Star Wars 1 Widescreen Commercial disc ---no load...pissed off..called Toshiba. Told to unplug power and reset. Then Star wars loaded. Tried my DVD-R agin ..no load. Here's the point...appears much more finicky than any of the other players in the house..even the $39 cyberhome in my daughters bedroom. I don't want a player that may or may not work and has to be continually reset. I did try the 720p and 1080i on my philips 32" HDTV lcd though...and it was nice..just not nice enough to worry about if it will play!!!! Any thoughts on why it won't play the DVD-R are welcome. I did get one of my DVD-R's (not Divx-just video) to work, funny thing it is was made on the same computer and same recorder as the others that don't work and the disc is the same mfg...verbatim..

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bitpoh Perpetual Novice Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 298	Hmm. . . Shaunieo, I don't have the problems you experienced at all. Weird . . . does it make a difference if your burnt DVD is finalized or not, i.e. does one play better vs. the other?

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shaunieo New Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2	They're all finalized and play fine on all the other players I have...guess I'll return it and wait for a few months...

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Derek87 newbie videophile Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 475	shaunieo, unfortunately, i can't help you and your experience with the Star Wars disc is worrisome, nevertheless, on your philips 32", did you see a noticeable improvement in picture quality in going from 480p to 720p/1080i? (everyone else here has only posted about it working well at 480p) ie, how good does this upsampler work? thanks!

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JimSD AVS Special Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,234	Derek, I don't know if you saw my post in another thread about this model, but I could not detect a difference between 480p/720p/1080i on a 32" Sharp. Admittedly I did mostly quick tests of specific scenes I wanted to compare on vs watching an entire movie, but I just did not see much, if any, difference at the upscaled resolutions. Maybe the upscaled were slightly better, but it seemed to be more the power of suggestion to me. To me it was no better than my old interlaced Sony player (which has much better build quality). Maybe 32" is too small of a screen to notice a difference.

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Derek87 newbie videophile Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 475	hmm...that's disappointing Jim. i guess i really should just bite the bullet and buy the Panny S77 that everyone raves about. that being said, i haven't seen it myself. what i have seen was a $600 Denon upsampler (same chip as the Panny) at my friend's house on a 32" aquos and there was a noticeable different between 480p and 720p/1080i (i couldn't see any real difference in the latter -- it was subtle) which were both better than their old cheap 480i Sony player. who knows what i'll find with the S77, but i guess i need to look elsewhere than this cheap Toshiba. thanks.

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JimSD AVS Special Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,234	Derek, You can always just try the Toshiba and then return it to Costco if you don't like it. Don't necessarily take my word as definitive. I haven't seen the Panny S77 myself, but I can't help but think that I'd be happier paying more for a better built machine. For point of reference, I'm used to a nice Denon 2200 on our other set so that probably has set the standard for me.

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bitpoh Perpetual Novice Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 298	Derek87, some people would argue that the upsampling beneifts vary greatly from tv to tv. Do you think it would be beneficial for you to borrow your friend's Denon and test it on your tv set first before you jump through the hoops? If you also have an Aquous then forget it <grin>.

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Derek87 newbie videophile Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 475	hi bitpoh, thanksfully, i have an Aquos too since my friend lives about 1000 miles from me! anyway, i just bit the bullet and ordered the S77 from Amazon. i already kick myself for missing the $10 buck off sale a few days ago, so i jumped today before they got rid of the free shipping sale (not normal for products like this one) enough said since this is after all a Toshiba thread! JimSD: the Panny is ok as far as build quality goes, not as well built however, as my six year old Panasonic RV30 which still keeps going strong on our non-HD set. The Denon's are nice (i liked my friend's), but for my uses, it's too much to spend on this set. our home theater is currently on our older 36" CRT which will eventually be replaced in a few years with something better and hopefully, if titles become available, some sort of HD player. anyway, thanks for all the discussion and comments.

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Eugene157 Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 179	Has anyone tried to play a JPEG file in the 1080 mode to see if it shows full resolution. I tried it with a Cyberhome player and the results were stunning, my digital still camera pictures were in full 1980x1020 on a 37" LCD display. However the Cyberhome player was a piece of junk so it went back. BTW I used the HDMI connection. Regular DVDs were just slightly better than a Philips with RGB output 480p I think that this upscaling is not worth the trouble unless one uses the JPEG feature. Depends on the scaler in the display of course, if it's lousy then upscaling will help. Gene

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JimSD AVS Special Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,234	Derek, let us know how the S77 pairs up with the Aquos when you get a chance to play with it a bit.