New 1080p upconvert player

Bud-man · 12-24-05, 03:57 AM

Saw this on e-bay, impressive stat's. 16 bit 149mhz vid dac!!
Kingwell KW-HD1880 ....anyone have any info? under $200
Some competition for Oppo?
Vga out is nice feature you dont see often, if it plays xvid would be a plus

"HOT" 1080P/720P HDMI DVI Component VGA Region Code Free High Definition HD DVD Player

Merry Christmas: $1 dollar Shipping to USA & Canada

Upscale any DVD titles to a higher resoluation!

KW-HD1880 DVD Player is the first generation high definition DVD Player from KingWell Technology. Featuring the new upscale chip by Amlogic, apply to PDP, LCD as well as DLP and any other types of HDTV, the new KW-HD1880 DVD player can support 720P, 1080i even 1080P scan mode and support the higher resolution as 1920×1080 pixels mode.

The main features of this player are as below:

l Upscale any DVD titles into high definition resolution. High-end level upscale engine delivers astonishing high definition video quality.

l It has every format of high definition video interfaces you ever needed -- Component, HDMI, VGA and DVI (via HDMI->DVI cable).

l New HDMI 1.1 edition. Perfect for digital display devices like LCD, Plasma and DLP.

l PAL 720P/1080i/1080P ( 720P/1080i/1080P @ 50hz ) and NTSC 720P/1080i/1080P ( 720P/1080i/1080P @ 60hz ) are supported.

l Component output supports high definition in 720P, 1080i and 1080P.

l HDMI output supports high definition in 720P, 1080i, SVGA, XGA and SXGA i. (1080P HDMI will be supported via firmware upgrade)

l VGA output supports high definition in SVGA, XGA and SXGA.

l HDCP is not required for playing copyright DVD title in high definition mode.

l Super Error Correction with New Technology.

l Gold coated video and audio outputs.

What is HDMI Interface?

HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) is the first industry-supported, uncompressed, all-digital audio/video interface.

HDMI delivers superior, uncompressed digital video and audio quality.

Do you need higher resolution than 1080i?

With latest per pixel based de-interlace technology, KingWell KW-HD1880 HD DVD Player can output 1080P crystal clear video signal through component and HDMI connection (HDMI 1080P support is available via firmware upgrade).

* Your display device needs to be 1080P compliant in order to use 1080P.

. Support 1080P( 1080 Progressive Scan), 1080i, 720P, 576P and 480P output, VGA output support 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 and 1280x1024.

2. Upscale DVD playback to high definition ( 1080P/1080i via component, 1280x1024 via VGA).

3. HDMI pure digital interface.

4. Supports 1080i/720P/480P/576P/640x480/800x600/1024x768/1280x1024.

5. Built-in high end level scaler delivers astonishing high definition image.

6. System contains one 32bit Risc CPU, one 24bit video processing CPU and one 24 bit RISC audio processing CPU. Total power equal to 1Ghz Pentium CPU.

7. Fast 16bit 149Mhz Video DAC and 192 kHz 24 Bit Audio DAC ( 32 bit/133Mhz Audio DSP).

8. Fast forward / back forward (up to 40X) and ZOOM ( up to 8X)

9. Easy use full color navigation system.

10. FullycompatiblewithDVD/SVCD/VCD/CD/HDCD/MP3/WMA/Photo-CD/CD-R/CD-RW/DVD+R/DVD-R/DVD+RW/DVD-RW.

11. Built-in Dolby digital Decoder, Dolby Digital (AC3) 5.1 Channel Output.

12. Built-in DTS Digital Decoder, DTS 5.1 Channel Output.

13. Firmware upgrade via CD-Rom.

14. Input Voltage/Frequency: 110-~240V 50/60Hz.

15. NTSC / PAL Output, Progressive scan, Screen Aspect Ratio 4:3 and 16:9.

16. Component, S-Video, VGA, HDMI and Composite video output.

17. Optical, Coaxial S/PDIF and RCA output. Support Dolby 5.1 and DTS digital output or 2 Channels analog stereo output.

18. Package includes 1 DVD Player, 1 Remote Control, 1 pair analog Video /Audio Cable and User manual.

19. Ultra slim and stylish design. Dimension: 420 x 270 x 45 mm.

kneedragger · 12-24-05, 10:37 AM

now all I have to get is a 1080p TV. Here goes another one I juast noticed from AVSforum home.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=621326

BillP · 12-24-05, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kneedragger

now all I have to get is a 1080p TV. Here goes another one I juast noticed from AVSforum home.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=621326

Yes, but that one received a pretty bad review (poor deinterlacing).

Bud-man · 12-24-05, 10:48 AM

Thought of this before i posted a clone of a neuneo?, same chipset, but i thought that player was alot more $$$$?

dsl1 · 12-24-05, 10:59 AM

NeuNeo is about 250$ I believe.

Paul Bigelow · 12-24-05, 11:05 AM

If it uses the same AMLogic chip used in the NeuNeo it won't be any competition for the Oppo. The AMLogic's deinterlacing capabilities seem to be on par with the Momitsu V880 Sigma Design's (poor).

Paul

bitemymac · 12-24-05, 01:30 PM

Supposedly, the current oppo hardware is capable of doing 1080p. It just hasn't been enabled or tested, yet. Once tested by oppo, a simple firmware update will unleash 1080p. The tech person from oppo told me that they'll be looking into 1080p options once the current bugs are fixed. So, by some time in Q1 of 06, we'll find out for sure.

I'm not sure how much improvement it will make on the 1080p displays. Since current 1080p LCD displays will scale to 1080p for all feeds of video source. I would think the only benefit will be shown from DVD titles with good PQ source such as the superbit DVD's or most animated movies from pixar or dreamworks.

in any rate, I just got a H20 DTV system and the 1080i source from HDnet/HD discovery looks so much better than the superbit DVD materials on the 1080p LCD panel. However, older DTV materials look only as good as the upscalled DVD source. So, basically, even if the dvd player can upscale to infinite resolutions, it's PQ will be limited to the source of material being scaled from. It seems that currently upscaling dvd players do help with most DVD's, but will never be as good as the true HD DVD or Blue Ray HD.

All in all, it is nice to see more and more budget dvd players are offering more richer options. This should really benefit the consumers in the end. Who knows, this may push oppo to release 1080p capable firmware even sooner.

Bud-man · 12-24-05, 05:07 PM

I agree too that you cant beat HD Cable sources for now,i guess we all are hoping that regular dvd can look almost like that....soon!!!!

Chris Gerhard · 12-24-05, 07:06 PM

This player is almost surely made in the same place with most of the same components as the NeuNeo player, not sure if it is comparable to the HVD2081 or HVD2085. I like the NeuNeo player, colors are right, and the slightly softer picture doesn't bother me with my 77" screen and 720p LCD projector. Better picture than the Zenith DVB318 I replaced with it.

Chris

theroys88 · 12-24-05, 11:45 PM

Looks identical to the NeuNeo 2085. Specs are identical. Couldn't find it on Ebay unless he meant another Ebay.

Bud-man · 12-24-05, 11:54 PM

E-bay Item number: 5845369689

theroys88 · 12-25-05, 12:51 AM

I did a general search and nothing popped up. Used the exact name and model and then just the company and nada. Maybe they pulled the item.

Chris Gerhard · 12-25-05, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theroys88

I did a general search and nothing popped up. Used the exact name and model and then just the company and nada. Maybe they pulled the item.

It came up for me. The item number is quickest, just copy 5845369689 put that in search and it should pop right up. The seller even has a positive feedback of 100% with 11 positives. I don't know if all 11 sales are this DVD player but the couple I checked were. The NeuNeo customer service has been pretty good, who knows if this company will offer any service at all.

Chris

Bud-man · 12-26-05, 02:08 PM

Received a e-mail from Kingwell, with a link below to there website.
They were very nice and seem eager to provide customer support.
This player for under $200 could fill the niche nicely for users that want non HDCP compliant HDMI and upconvert thru component.
Thanks Chris for a positive review on the neuneo
Chris, have you tried a Xvid or Divx cd yet?, i'm sure it will play mpeg-iso dvd which are numerous s/vcd's burned as a iso dvd unarthored.

Kingwell

thegdog · 01-02-06, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bud-man

Received a e-mail from Kingwell, with a link below to there website.
They were very nice and seem eager to provide customer support.
This player for under $200 could fill the niche nicely for users that want non HDCP compliant HDMI and upconvert thru component.

It will upconvert over component, but unless the player is Macrovision-free (or has a way to disable Macrovision), the player won't be able to upconvert content that is encoded with Macrovision. At least, that's what I've read about other players that do upscaling.

I emailed NeuNeo about their player since it says it can upconvert over component and they told me that it does, but it will not work with copyrighted content because of that limitation.

So unless you're pirating all your DVDs, the upscaling over component functionality is of little use unless the player can disable Macrovision.

Chris Gerhard · 01-02-06, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegdog

It will upconvert over component, but unless the player is Macrovision-free (or has a way to disable Macrovision), the player won't be able to upconvert content that is encoded with Macrovision. At least, that's what I've read about other players that do upscaling.

I emailed NeuNeo about their player since it says it can upconvert over component and they told me that it does, but it will not work with copyrighted content because of that limitation.

So unless you're pirating all your DVDs, the upscaling over component functionality is of little use unless the player can disable Macrovision.

That is absolutely wrong. The NeuNeo players will upconvert all DVDs over component, period.

Chris

thegdog · 01-03-06, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

That is absolutely wrong. The NeuNeo players will upconvert all DVDs over component, period.

Chris

Do you have one? Its not like this is limited to the NeuNeo. Other players have the same limiation.

This is the email I sent to them:

> I am looking for a player that will upconvert to 1080i over component
> outputs which both players are capable of doing. However, I know that on my
> current LiteOn upconverting player, that I had to disable Macrovision on the
> DVD player in order to upconvert to 1080i over component. I see that on the
> Momitsu player, there is an option to disable Macrovision as well so that
> you can upconvert over component.
>
> What about your player? Will I be able to upconvert DVDs with Macrovision
> to 1080i over component? How does that work?

And here is the reply:

>Hi David,

>Unfortunately this player will not be able to play macrovision protected DVD
>titles.
>
>Please feel free to contact us if you have any other questions.
>
>Regards,
>Peter
>NeoDigits.com

Bud-man · 01-03-06, 06:30 AM

The Kingwell like prob the Neuneo are region and macro free thru component, i've recieved today from Kingwell the newest firmware to enable 1080p thru hdmi.
These players are sold in the US thru internet only, so they dont have to be compliant to our rules, get'um while there hot and $1 shipping!

yanksno1 · 01-03-06, 08:50 AM

@ Bud-man: can you report back on how this player preforms for you? Also, can you test out some divx/xvid files just to see if they work (I know they probably won't but who knows)? I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts on this player.

Also is it possible for you or a mod to change the title of this thread to the "Kingwell KW-HD1880 official thread" or something along those lines? It'd make this thread easier to find.

Chris West · 01-03-06, 09:11 AM

I'm going to make a "official" thread soon on my findings so far, no it wont play any .avi files but Peter at Kingwell has informed me that there working on a new player that will soon. it will play s/vcd's burned as a mpeg-iso file, seems to like -R's better.
Ive successfully "backed up" of the supplied HVD to DVD+R DL as a test and it plays on the Kingwell
I dont think i can change the header?, ive tried once before and it didnt work just added
Kingwell KW-HD1880 as seen on top of thread.

Chris Gerhard · 01-03-06, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegdog

Do you have one? Its not like this is limited to the NeuNeo. Other players have the same limiation.

Yes, I have a NeuNeo HVD2081, a Zenith DVB318 and a Samsung DVD-HD950 hooked up right now and all three will upscale all DVDs over component. Many players will not upscale any DVDs over component and some will only upscale DVDs over component that aren't protected.

Chris

thegdog · 01-03-06, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

Yes, I have a NeuNeo HVD2081, a Zenith DVB318 and a Samsung DVD-HD950 hooked up right now and all three will upscale all DVDs over component. Many players will not upscale any DVDs over component and some will only upscale DVDs over component that aren't protected.

I asked the people at NeoDigits about the HVD2085, not the HVD2081.

As I understand it, they do use different chipsets. Would that account for their answer?

darryl b · 01-03-06, 11:07 AM

are thes non-hdcp players able to work with hdcp compliant front projectors and other displays? my question is specifically geared towards the new Sony "Ruby", would one expect this kingwell to be able to really pass 1080p to the Ruby?

Bud-man · 01-03-06, 11:39 AM

Passes 1080i thru HDMI or Component to my Panasonic Plasma fine, i would say YES to that darryl b.
I'm going to BB and try this out on a 1080p rear projection this week as i have there new firmware installed for HDMI 1080p.

Chris Gerhard · 01-03-06, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegdog

I asked the people at NeoDigits about the HVD2085, not the HVD2081.

As I understand it, they do use different chipsets. Would that account for their answer?

No, the HVD2085 absolutely upscales all DVDs over component as well. The silly answer you received states it won't play macrovision DVDs, not won't upscale them over component. Obviously that is total nonsense. If you received a separate letter stating the HVD2085 will not upscale protected DVDs over component, then that letter is total nonsense as well.

Chris

thegdog · 01-03-06, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

No, the HVD2085 absolutely upscales all DVDs over component as well. The silly answer you received states it won't play macrovision DVDs, not won't upscale them over component. Obviously that is total nonsense. If you received a separate letter stating the HVD2085 will not upscale protected DVDs over component, then that letter is total nonsense as well.

Yes, his answer was a little baffling to me at first as well.

Since my question was about will it upscale Macrovision-encoded content over component, I assumed the phrasing of his answer was just because he was not a native English-speaker. Obviously the player can play Macrovision-encoded content.

thegdog · 01-03-06, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bud-man

The Kingwell like prob the Neuneo are region and macro free thru component, i've recieved today from Kingwell the newest firmware to enable 1080p thru hdmi.

Bud-man,

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but are you sure that the Neuneo is region-free and Macrovision-free when displaying upconverted content over component?

And is the Kingwell one the same? (I know you just got one, so definitely interested to hear your take on it.)

I was pretty much set to buy a Samsung HD950, but that Kingwell player looks like a nice price and feature set, so if it truly does upconvert over component and display all content correctly (ie. Macrovision-encoded stuff), I would definitely consider that.

Look forward to your thoughts on the player overall as well!

Thanks.

Huey · 01-03-06, 07:27 PM

I have Neuneo HVD-108 (1st generation of the component and VGA upconverting player without HDMI or DVI) and it too upconverts all copy-protected movies without a hickup. It too is better than my Zenith DVB-318 at 1080i as its grayscale and colors are better (Zenith is sharper but also has slightly more edge-enhancements). Obviously with DCDi Zenith 318 kicks booty on video tittles like concerts, anime, and TV DVD's. I actually use both with a component switching receiver. For film, I prefer Neuneo HVD-108 with latest firmware (corrects the grayscale problem from the original firmware), and for video, Zenith.

I do believe all AMLogic players will upconvert via component for ALL DVD's. The brand, price, and build quality may change but function and PQ will be very similar. I would not rely on 1080p support via HDMI/DVI as "firmware" promise can be elusive and distant. If it supports HDMI 1080p now then that's a different story. Component 1080p won't look much better than 1080i component due to limitation of analog DAC.

thegdog · 01-03-06, 07:38 PM

Thanks Huey for your information.

Bud-man · 01-03-06, 07:52 PM

This is a e-mail i got from kingwell, actually i got quite a few in the past week, about there competition from neuneo, this player is the EXACT same spec's and guts as the neuneo 2085, i even tried there firmware in it but it has different front panel so the lcd was screwed up, this morning they sent me both of the firmwares and loaded back to kingwell just fine.
This player has almost the exact same loader as the Oppo, but is alot quieter, still has that same way of removing the disc thru the thumbhole.
There claiming a lower cost than neuneo which is over $80 saving's with there $1 shipping still in effect.

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Bud-man AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,255	Kingwell KW-HD1880 Saw this on e-bay, impressive stat's. 16 bit 149mhz vid dac!! Kingwell KW-HD1880 ....anyone have any info? under $200 Some competition for Oppo? Vga out is nice feature you dont see often, if it plays xvid would be a plus "HOT" 1080P/720P HDMI DVI Component VGA Region Code Free High Definition HD DVD Player Merry Christmas: $1 dollar Shipping to USA & Canada Upscale any DVD titles to a higher resoluation! KW-HD1880 DVD Player is the first generation high definition DVD Player from KingWell Technology. Featuring the new upscale chip by Amlogic, apply to PDP, LCD as well as DLP and any other types of HDTV, the new KW-HD1880 DVD player can support 720P, 1080i even 1080P scan mode and support the higher resolution as 1920×1080 pixels mode. The main features of this player are as below: l Upscale any DVD titles into high definition resolution. High-end level upscale engine delivers astonishing high definition video quality. l It has every format of high definition video interfaces you ever needed -- Component, HDMI, VGA and DVI (via HDMI->DVI cable). l New HDMI 1.1 edition. Perfect for digital display devices like LCD, Plasma and DLP. l PAL 720P/1080i/1080P ( 720P/1080i/1080P @ 50hz ) and NTSC 720P/1080i/1080P ( 720P/1080i/1080P @ 60hz ) are supported. l Component output supports high definition in 720P, 1080i and 1080P. l HDMI output supports high definition in 720P, 1080i, SVGA, XGA and SXGA i. (1080P HDMI will be supported via firmware upgrade) l VGA output supports high definition in SVGA, XGA and SXGA. l HDCP is not required for playing copyright DVD title in high definition mode. l Super Error Correction with New Technology. l Gold coated video and audio outputs. What is HDMI Interface? HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) is the first industry-supported, uncompressed, all-digital audio/video interface. HDMI delivers superior, uncompressed digital video and audio quality. Do you need higher resolution than 1080i? With latest per pixel based de-interlace technology, KingWell KW-HD1880 HD DVD Player can output 1080P crystal clear video signal through component and HDMI connection (HDMI 1080P support is available via firmware upgrade). * Your display device needs to be 1080P compliant in order to use 1080P. . Support 1080P( 1080 Progressive Scan), 1080i, 720P, 576P and 480P output, VGA output support 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 and 1280x1024. 2. Upscale DVD playback to high definition ( 1080P/1080i via component, 1280x1024 via VGA). 3. HDMI pure digital interface. 4. Supports 1080i/720P/480P/576P/640x480/800x600/1024x768/1280x1024. 5. Built-in high end level scaler delivers astonishing high definition image. 6. System contains one 32bit Risc CPU, one 24bit video processing CPU and one 24 bit RISC audio processing CPU. Total power equal to 1Ghz Pentium CPU. 7. Fast 16bit 149Mhz Video DAC and 192 kHz 24 Bit Audio DAC ( 32 bit/133Mhz Audio DSP). 8. Fast forward / back forward (up to 40X) and ZOOM ( up to 8X) 9. Easy use full color navigation system. 10. FullycompatiblewithDVD/SVCD/VCD/CD/HDCD/MP3/WMA/Photo-CD/CD-R/CD-RW/DVD+R/DVD-R/DVD+RW/DVD-RW. 11. Built-in Dolby digital Decoder, Dolby Digital (AC3) 5.1 Channel Output. 12. Built-in DTS Digital Decoder, DTS 5.1 Channel Output. 13. Firmware upgrade via CD-Rom. 14. Input Voltage/Frequency: 110-~240V 50/60Hz. 15. NTSC / PAL Output, Progressive scan, Screen Aspect Ratio 4:3 and 16:9. 16. Component, S-Video, VGA, HDMI and Composite video output. 17. Optical, Coaxial S/PDIF and RCA output. Support Dolby 5.1 and DTS digital output or 2 Channels analog stereo output. 18. Package includes 1 DVD Player, 1 Remote Control, 1 pair analog Video /Audio Cable and User manual. 19. Ultra slim and stylish design. Dimension: 420 x 270 x 45 mm. Last edited by Bud-man; 01-03-06 at 09:19 AM..

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dsl1 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 183	NeuNeo is about 250$ I believe.

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theroys88 AVS Special Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: midlothian, va Posts: 1,429	Looks identical to the NeuNeo 2085. Specs are identical. Couldn't find it on Ebay unless he meant another Ebay. Last edited by theroys88; 12-24-05 at 11:51 PM..

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Bud-man AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,255	Received a e-mail from Kingwell, with a link below to there website. They were very nice and seem eager to provide customer support. This player for under $200 could fill the niche nicely for users that want non HDCP compliant HDMI and upconvert thru component. Thanks Chris for a positive review on the neuneo Chris, have you tried a Xvid or Divx cd yet?, i'm sure it will play mpeg-iso dvd which are numerous s/vcd's burned as a iso dvd unarthored. Kingwell Last edited by Bud-man; 12-26-05 at 03:30 PM..

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Huey Plug and Pray Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Floyds Knobs, IN, USA Posts: 5,133	I have Neuneo HVD-108 (1st generation of the component and VGA upconverting player without HDMI or DVI) and it too upconverts all copy-protected movies without a hickup. It too is better than my Zenith DVB-318 at 1080i as its grayscale and colors are better (Zenith is sharper but also has slightly more edge-enhancements). Obviously with DCDi Zenith 318 kicks booty on video tittles like concerts, anime, and TV DVD's. I actually use both with a component switching receiver. For film, I prefer Neuneo HVD-108 with latest firmware (corrects the grayscale problem from the original firmware), and for video, Zenith. I do believe all AMLogic players will upconvert via component for ALL DVD's. The brand, price, and build quality may change but function and PQ will be very similar. I would not rely on 1080p support via HDMI/DVI as "firmware" promise can be elusive and distant. If it supports HDMI 1080p now then that's a different story. Component 1080p won't look much better than 1080i component due to limitation of analog DAC. __________________ Huey ;-]

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kneedragger Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 603	now all I have to get is a 1080p TV. Here goes another one I juast noticed from AVSforum home. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=621326

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Bud-man AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,255	Thought of this before i posted a clone of a neuneo?, same chipset, but i thought that player was alot more $$$$?

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Paul Bigelow AVS Special Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,323	If it uses the same AMLogic chip used in the NeuNeo it won't be any competition for the Oppo. The AMLogic's deinterlacing capabilities seem to be on par with the Momitsu V880 Sigma Design's (poor). Paul

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bitemymac AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,132	Supposedly, the current oppo hardware is capable of doing 1080p. It just hasn't been enabled or tested, yet. Once tested by oppo, a simple firmware update will unleash 1080p. The tech person from oppo told me that they'll be looking into 1080p options once the current bugs are fixed. So, by some time in Q1 of 06, we'll find out for sure. I'm not sure how much improvement it will make on the 1080p displays. Since current 1080p LCD displays will scale to 1080p for all feeds of video source. I would think the only benefit will be shown from DVD titles with good PQ source such as the superbit DVD's or most animated movies from pixar or dreamworks. in any rate, I just got a H20 DTV system and the 1080i source from HDnet/HD discovery looks so much better than the superbit DVD materials on the 1080p LCD panel. However, older DTV materials look only as good as the upscalled DVD source. So, basically, even if the dvd player can upscale to infinite resolutions, it's PQ will be limited to the source of material being scaled from. It seems that currently upscaling dvd players do help with most DVD's, but will never be as good as the true HD DVD or Blue Ray HD. All in all, it is nice to see more and more budget dvd players are offering more richer options. This should really benefit the consumers in the end. Who knows, this may push oppo to release 1080p capable firmware even sooner.

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Bud-man AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,255	I agree too that you cant beat HD Cable sources for now,i guess we all are hoping that regular dvd can look almost like that....soon!!!!

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Chris Gerhard AVS Special Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Missouri Posts: 5,830 Classified Rating: 100% (2)	This player is almost surely made in the same place with most of the same components as the NeuNeo player, not sure if it is comparable to the HVD2081 or HVD2085. I like the NeuNeo player, colors are right, and the slightly softer picture doesn't bother me with my 77" screen and 720p LCD projector. Better picture than the Zenith DVB318 I replaced with it. Chris

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Bud-man AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,255	E-bay Item number: 5845369689

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theroys88 AVS Special Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: midlothian, va Posts: 1,429	I did a general search and nothing popped up. Used the exact name and model and then just the company and nada. Maybe they pulled the item.

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Bud-man AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,255	The Kingwell like prob the Neuneo are region and macro free thru component, i've recieved today from Kingwell the newest firmware to enable 1080p thru hdmi. These players are sold in the US thru internet only, so they dont have to be compliant to our rules, get'um while there hot and $1 shipping!

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yanksno1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 300	@ Bud-man: can you report back on how this player preforms for you? Also, can you test out some divx/xvid files just to see if they work (I know they probably won't but who knows)? I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts on this player. Also is it possible for you or a mod to change the title of this thread to the "Kingwell KW-HD1880 official thread" or something along those lines? It'd make this thread easier to find.

01-03-06, 09:11 AM	#20 \| Link
Chris West Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 148	I'm going to make a "official" thread soon on my findings so far, no it wont play any .avi files but Peter at Kingwell has informed me that there working on a new player that will soon. it will play s/vcd's burned as a mpeg-iso file, seems to like -R's better. Ive successfully "backed up" of the supplied HVD to DVD+R DL as a test and it plays on the Kingwell I dont think i can change the header?, ive tried once before and it didnt work just added Kingwell KW-HD1880 as seen on top of thread.

01-03-06, 11:07 AM	#23 \| Link
darryl b Advanced Member AVS GOLD CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: wi Posts: 696 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	are thes non-hdcp players able to work with hdcp compliant front projectors and other displays? my question is specifically geared towards the new Sony "Ruby", would one expect this kingwell to be able to really pass 1080p to the Ruby?

01-03-06, 11:39 AM	#24 \| Link
Bud-man AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,255	Passes 1080i thru HDMI or Component to my Panasonic Plasma fine, i would say YES to that darryl b. I'm going to BB and try this out on a 1080p rear projection this week as i have there new firmware installed for HDMI 1080p.

01-03-06, 07:38 PM	#29 \| Link
thegdog Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 89	Thanks Huey for your information.

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Bud-man AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,255	This is a e-mail i got from kingwell, actually i got quite a few in the past week, about there competition from neuneo, this player is the EXACT same spec's and guts as the neuneo 2085, i even tried there firmware in it but it has different front panel so the lcd was screwed up, this morning they sent me both of the firmwares and loaded back to kingwell just fine. This player has almost the exact same loader as the Oppo, but is alot quieter, still has that same way of removing the disc thru the thumbhole. There claiming a lower cost than neuneo which is over $80 saving's with there $1 shipping still in effect.