DVD-A of Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon at last!!

Martinf · 03-14-06, 06:28 AM

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/foru...ead.php?t=6271

No Joke. Believe me -- it's the real thing: Alan Parson's original Quad mix. I've heard it and it's outstanding.

CAVX · 03-14-06, 08:29 AM

So how (or why) is it different from the SACD?

Mark

Martinf · 03-14-06, 08:55 AM

The SACD was a 5.1 remix. The Quad mix on the DVDA is from the original quad master tapes.

sdurani · 03-14-06, 10:41 AM

The other difference is that the the SACD is a legal product. The DVD-A is an underground bootleg being pirated amongst users.

Sanjay

Martinf · 03-14-06, 10:52 AM

This is not a pirate, since (a) The DVDA is not for sale (i.e. no money is being asked for it); and (b) there is no DSOTM quad "product" available as such. (This quad mix was commissioned by EMI, in 1973, but was then mothballed.)

sdurani · 03-14-06, 11:24 AM

The fact that a quad mix of DSotM is not available on DVD-A doesn't suddenly give you the right to trade stolen material. You can do it, but at least be honest about what you're doing and don't pretend it's legal or ethical.

Sanjay

FloydCouncil · 03-14-06, 11:26 AM

I have this. I have yet to hear it though so I can't say if its better then the SACD - which is outstanding anyway.

Martinf · 03-14-06, 11:37 AM

Sanjay, for heaven's sake, lighten-up mate. Publication of this mix was deliberately snuffed-out over 30 years ago!! And then the way Sony hijacked the 5.1 remix for SACD was a disgrace (as was the way in which Alan Parsons' know-how was sidelined).

I say, about damn time this quad mix came out, one way or another. This is no second-rate remix.

This is what the DSOTM hirez surround-sound should have been in the first place. Be grateful that now Floyd fans can (and should) hear it in all its glory.

Otherwise it would remain in the vaults forever.

FloydCouncil · 03-14-06, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinf

Sanjay, for heaven's sake, lighten-up mate. Publication of this mix was deliberately snuffed-out over 30 years ago!! And then the way Sony hijacked the 5.1 remix for SACD was a disgrace (as was the way in which Alan Parsons' know-how was sidelined).

I say, about damn time this quad mix came out, one way or another. This is no second-rate remix.

This is what the DSOTM hirez surround-sound should have been in the first place. Be grateful that now Floyd fans can (and should) hear it in all its glory.

Otherwise it would remain in the vaults forever.

I agree! A huge THANK YOU to whoever did this

sdurani · 03-14-06, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinf

Sanjay, for heaven's sake, lighten-up mate.

What are you talking about mate? My previous post was filled with levity.

Quote:

Publication of this mix was deliberately snuffed-out over 30 years ago!! And then the way Sony hijacked the 5.1 remix for SACD was a disgrace (as was the way in which Alan Parsons' know-how was sidelined).

The 5.1 re-mix was per Pink Floyd's wishes, which included having Guthrie finally do the mix that the band originally wanted (note that Parson' exclusion was at the band's request, not Sony's). That's not hijacking, it's just allowing the original artists their freedom.

You can justify theft any way you want, but the DVD-A is an illegal bootleg; a fact that is made obviously clear from the link you posted. For the record, I haven't told anyone not to get it or listen to it; just stated the facts. Sorry but I can't play the pretend game with you. I mean, if you're going to promote piracy, then for heaven's sake lighten up and be honest about it.

Sanjay

smitchell24 · 03-14-06, 02:20 PM

Does anyone have a copy they would be willing to B & P, to help assist me in determining if this is in fact an illegal mixed bootleg? Just sent me a PM...thanks!

John Kotches · 03-14-06, 04:37 PM

It's the Parsons quad mix. It's not illegal.

The distro methods are another matter altogether.

Cheers,

mcallister · 03-14-06, 04:56 PM

So where can I get one of these discs? Please help a fella out.

sdurani · 03-14-06, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Kotches

It's the Parsons quad mix. It's not illegal.

So the quad mix found its way onto DVD-A legally and/or with the permission of the content owner?

Sanjay

John Kotches · 03-14-06, 05:05 PM

Sanjay:

The mix is perfectly legal. It was authorized at the time it was made, or it would not have been made.

That's a seperate issue from the distribution of the content.

sdurani · 03-14-06, 05:17 PM

John,

I wasn't talking about the mix itself but the disc. How did Parsons' mix find its way onto DVD-A?

Sanjay

John Kotches · 03-14-06, 05:24 PM

Sanjay,

I have no idea. I'm interested in hearing it though.

Cheers,

Sherbona · 03-15-06, 12:52 AM

I've always been disappointed by the Guthrie surround mix on the SACD compared to an unofficial DTS CD I've heard (which was based on the quad version, q8 I think). I heard about this last week and can't wait to hear this in "quad.1" DVD-A sourced from the original 1/2" master tapes this weekend...

CAVX · 03-15-06, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinf

The SACD was a 5.1 remix. The Quad mix on the DVDA is from the original quad master tapes.

Cool. Don't own it yet, but have heard that the SACD doesn't use a centre channel. So how is this different from quad, and what (if any) channel differences are there in the remaining four L R LS RS?

Mark

cordobaman · 03-15-06, 07:27 AM

There is a long discussion and reviews here:
http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/foru...ead.php?t=3669

GrahamMc · 03-15-06, 12:16 PM

Actually, the SACD does use the center channel, just not a LOT. There are a few songs, such as Us and Them, make very good use of the center. On that track, the sax comes from the center. I'm curious to hear the DVD-A, but I'm more than happy with the SACD, so I think I'll stick with it.

Graham

ted_b · 03-15-06, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Kotches

Sanjay,

I have no idea. I'm interested in hearing it though.

Cheers,

John and Sanjay,
It IS a nicer mix than the SACD IMO. Not sure how it got out there, but no fees are associated with it, which is a good thing. No one seems to be getting rich off it. Not sure what I feel about this on the whole, though.

sdurani · 03-15-06, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ted_b

Not sure how it got out there, but no fees are associated with it, which is a good thing.

"Good thing" for whom Ted? You or the owners of that content? Like I said earlier, I'm not discouraging anyone from copying and listening to this bootleg. However, I am amazed at the lengths some will go to to pretend they are doing something else and/or justify their actions.

Sanjay

ted_b · 03-15-06, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdurani

"Good thing" for whom Ted? You or the owners of that content? Like I said earlier, I'm not discouraging anyone from copying and listening to this bootleg. However, I am amazed at the lengths some will go to to pretend they are doing something else and/or justify their actions.

Sanjay

?? Good thing for the true owners of the content, of course. My point is that although these tapes got out into circulation in a questionable manner, there is at least a feeling that no one is trying to make money on it. That doesn't justify it.....never said it did.

sdurani · 03-16-06, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ted_b

Good thing for the true owners of the content, of course.

How? (Not being argumentative, just curious how circulating this disc benefits the content owners.)

Sanjay

scooterdog · 03-16-06, 12:55 AM

hmm where does one find this?

Yosh70 · 03-16-06, 01:11 AM

I talked to David Gilmour last night and he said, "Yosh, its ok if you wanna listen to this mix....its truly outstanding and I know you DVD-A owners unfortunately missed out when we decided to release this only on SACD."

Or was it Roger Waters?......not too sure, half asleep at the time.

Scooterdog, check ur PM.

FloydCouncil · 03-16-06, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yosh70

I talked to David Gilmour last night and he said, "Yosh, its ok if you wanna listen to this mix....its truly outstanding and I know you DVD-A owners unfortunately missed out when we decided to release this only on SACD."

Or was it Roger Waters?......not too sure, half asleep at the time.

Scooterdog, check ur PM.

For a minute I thought you were serious lol. I wonder what Alan Parsons would say about this... Does he even know?

ted_b · 03-16-06, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdurani

How? (Not being argumentative, just curious how circulating this disc benefits the content owners.)

Sanjay

Sorry , you misunderstood. Didn't say that, simply said it's a good thing no one is making a killing here on property that is not likely theirs. If that's a good thing, it's to the owners, not me. Inflection and sarcasm don't come across well in a forum.

mcallister · 03-16-06, 06:24 PM

So I downloaded this beauty and burnt it. Must say it sounds very good. Only problem is about 4:23 into Us and Them it cuts out until the end of the song. Don't know if it's the disc or what. Will try burning another.

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Martinf Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 62	DVD-A of Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon at last!! http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/foru...ead.php?t=6271 No Joke. Believe me -- it's the real thing: Alan Parson's original Quad mix. I've heard it and it's outstanding.

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Martinf Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 62	This is not a pirate, since (a) The DVDA is not for sale (i.e. no money is being asked for it); and (b) there is no DSOTM quad "product" available as such. (This quad mix was commissioned by EMI, in 1973, but was then mothballed.)

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John Kotches Surround Music Fan Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Troy, IL USA (St. Louis Area) Posts: 7,690	It's the Parsons quad mix. It's not illegal. The distro methods are another matter altogether. Cheers, __________________ Contributing Editor & Surround Music Reviewer Widescreen Review Opinions are mine, not the publication I write for.

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John Kotches Surround Music Fan Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Troy, IL USA (St. Louis Area) Posts: 7,690	Sanjay: The mix is perfectly legal. It was authorized at the time it was made, or it would not have been made. That's a seperate issue from the distribution of the content. __________________ Contributing Editor & Surround Music Reviewer Widescreen Review Opinions are mine, not the publication I write for.

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Martinf Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 62	The SACD was a 5.1 remix. The Quad mix on the DVDA is from the original quad master tapes.

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sdurani AVS Addicted Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Monterey Park, CA Posts: 11,158	The other difference is that the the SACD is a legal product. The DVD-A is an underground bootleg being pirated amongst users. Sanjay

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sdurani AVS Addicted Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Monterey Park, CA Posts: 11,158	The fact that a quad mix of DSotM is not available on DVD-A doesn't suddenly give you the right to trade stolen material. You can do it, but at least be honest about what you're doing and don't pretend it's legal or ethical. Sanjay

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FloydCouncil Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 44	I have this. I have yet to hear it though so I can't say if its better then the SACD - which is outstanding anyway.

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Martinf Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 62	Sanjay, for heaven's sake, lighten-up mate. Publication of this mix was deliberately snuffed-out over 30 years ago!! And then the way Sony hijacked the 5.1 remix for SACD was a disgrace (as was the way in which Alan Parsons' know-how was sidelined). I say, about damn time this quad mix came out, one way or another. This is no second-rate remix. This is what the DSOTM hirez surround-sound should have been in the first place. Be grateful that now Floyd fans can (and should) hear it in all its glory. Otherwise it would remain in the vaults forever.

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smitchell24 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Plymouth, MI Posts: 349	Does anyone have a copy they would be willing to B & P, to help assist me in determining if this is in fact an illegal mixed bootleg? Just sent me a PM...thanks!

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mcallister Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 957 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	So where can I get one of these discs? Please help a fella out.

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sdurani AVS Addicted Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Monterey Park, CA Posts: 11,158	John, I wasn't talking about the mix itself but the disc. How did Parsons' mix find its way onto DVD-A? Sanjay

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John Kotches Surround Music Fan Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Troy, IL USA (St. Louis Area) Posts: 7,690	Sanjay, I have no idea. I'm interested in hearing it though. Cheers, __________________ Contributing Editor & Surround Music Reviewer Widescreen Review Opinions are mine, not the publication I write for.

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Sherbona AVS Special Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 1,389	I've always been disappointed by the Guthrie surround mix on the SACD compared to an unofficial DTS CD I've heard (which was based on the quad version, q8 I think). I heard about this last week and can't wait to hear this in "quad.1" DVD-A sourced from the original 1/2" master tapes this weekend...

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mcallister Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 957 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	So I downloaded this beauty and burnt it. Must say it sounds very good. Only problem is about 4:23 into Us and Them it cuts out until the end of the song. Don't know if it's the disc or what. Will try burning another.