Samsung 720p Owner's Thread --- HLSxx66W/HLSxx86W DLP Models

pedroelopez · 04-25-06, 11:46 AM

Now that owner's of the new HLS 720P models are beginning to receive their sets, I'd thought we would have a place to provide our feedback on these new sets. I'll post some pics of my 5086 that's due to arrive in about 30 minutes... yes, I'm playin' hookie from work right now...

DLPORLCD · 04-25-06, 12:36 PM

What are the improvements on the the 86 models compared to the 67w from last year. Looking to find out how much of an improvement the HL-S5086 is to the HL-R5067w.

pedroelopez · 04-25-06, 01:08 PM

Well, I just got my set, plugged it into my DVD player, and it looks amazing! Very happy with the set.

From what I know about last year's model, the differences off the top of my head are:
- being able to turn off DNie
- two HDMI connections
- better light engine

I'm sure there are more, but that's what I can think of so far. I'll post pictures later on since I do need to go to work... I guess

vincent_momo · 04-25-06, 02:37 PM

how is the geometry on 4:3 ?

is tthere any bowing or curvature distortion issues at all ?

pedroelopez · 04-25-06, 03:44 PM

Vincent -

I'll be able to provide more feedback as soon as I get home tonight from work. The little testing that I did do was only seeing material from my DVD player via component inputs. I tested Finding Nemo, King Kong, Star Wars III, and The Incredibles. All movies looked amazing. Can't wait to go home and do some more "testing"

HoustonPerson · 04-25-06, 04:33 PM

pedroelopez,
If you can test OTA tonight with both PBS and CBS would be great and lets us know what you think? Also, a report on the SD 4:3 geometry. I saw a HLS6187 in the store and the geometry was good (about 98% perfect - you had to stare long and hard to see a very slight bow-in...so I would accept it). But the video feed was highly compressed with defects; only 480i in stretch mode, which was the best the leading CC store in Houston had!

pedroelopez · 04-25-06, 05:10 PM

Not a problem Houston. I upgraded my Comcast cable service to HD, but because of the high demand, I'm on a wait list, and won't get it installed until late next week. I'll keep you informed. Anything else that anyone wants me to test?

DLPORLCD · 04-25-06, 06:10 PM

Do you happen do know if this tv has th QAM tuner built into it. Since you don;t have your HD cable box yet, try scanning for any HD channels to see if the tv can get local HD channels.

pedroelopez · 04-25-06, 07:06 PM

I was able to get local HD channels like ABC and Fox this morning, but because I had to go to work, I wasn't able to really examine them. However, from what I saw, the channels looked really nice!

DLPORLCD · 04-25-06, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedroelopez

I was able to get local HD channels like ABC and Fox this morning, but because I had to go to work, I wasn't able to really examine them. However, from what I saw, the channels looked really nice!

That was through your comcast cable and not with an antenna right.

pedroelopez · 04-25-06, 07:27 PM

no... it was through an antenna... i haven't tried directly from my comcast cable

MacG · 04-25-06, 07:38 PM

Yes, I too was wondering the differences between last years HLR5067 and this years HLS5086.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the '67 series have extra
- PIP
- cable card
- higher power output speakers

In addition to what Pedro listed a few post back, the '86 series have extra
- game mode
- IEEE 1394 input

What's interesting is that TVA has the '86 series priced lower than last years '67 series model. I'm wondering if this is due to lower cost of the '86 series or that '67 series is a "better" (more features, etc.) TV. Looking forward to more comments from '86 owners.

DLPORLCD · 04-25-06, 07:54 PM

The sales price on the HL-R5067 on tva site is less then the selling price for the HL-S5086.

The other difference between those models from what I can tell is the design of the outter casing of the tv. Also, I believe that the HL-S5086 does not have the tv guide feature. The HLS models also use a 5 segment color wheel that spins faster compared to the 7 segment color wheel in the HLR sets.

MacG, you listed that you thought the 86 series had extra IEEE 1394 inputs, but looking at the specs of the tv's listed on tva's site, the HL-R5067 has 2x IEEE 1394 and the HL-S5086 did not list it as having any. But the HLS does have an extra HDMI port.

I purchased a HL-R5067 recently and was thinking of returning it and buying the new 50" 86 set, but having a cable card slot is a plus and I would use PiP during football season, so I think I will keep my HLR set. I also heard that Xbox 360 set at outputting 720p signal didn't lag on the HLR sets, so that has made my decision to keep the HLR set easier because I plan on purchasing a PS3 or xbox 360 in the future.

General Klinger · 04-25-06, 08:14 PM

I got in on the Group buy for a HLS5086W but I don't see anything on Samsungs site about it having cable card capability. Can someone clear this up for me please

pedroelopez · 04-25-06, 08:21 PM

The set does not have a cable card, nor does it have an IEEE 1394 input or PIP. The casing is flat black, and has a very small silver strip at the bottom. The speaker difference is no concern to me because I have a HT system. I won't be able to test out the Game mode because I don't do any gaming, at least not yet. I'll be posting some pics tonight as well and check other functionalities. Will keep everyone posted.

General Klinger · 04-25-06, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedroelopez

The set does not have a cable card, nor does it have an IEEE 1394 input or PIP. The casing is flat black, and has a very small silver strip at the bottom. The speaker difference is no concern to me because I have a HT system. I won't be able to test out the Game mode because I don't do any gaming, at least not yet. I'll be posting some pics tonight as well and check other functionalities. Will keep everyone posted.

I might be out then. I don't want to buy a TV that doesn't have a cable card on it.

HoustonPerson · 04-26-06, 10:45 AM

pedroelopez,
Thanks for the response.

Let us know how your testing goes tonight.

CBS - Criminal Minds and CSI: NY will be broadcast OTA at 1080i
FOX - Bones and American Idol will be OTA 720p
ABC - Alias will be OTA 720p

Typically, CSI (usually the other two CSI's) and Bones have excellent photography; so luckily your PQ should be grand.

If you can let us know the good, the bad, and the ugly, that would be kewl. Thanks

ebednarz · 04-26-06, 10:52 AM

I'm getting excited. Bought the HLS5686 and it will be arriving on Friday. Can't wait. Will post pics and my thoughts.

MacG · 04-26-06, 11:03 AM

DLPORLCD, thanks for your correction regarding the IEEE 1394 inputs. Regarding the cost, I should of explained more clearly. I was considering either the 5667 or the 5686. On TVA website, the 5667 is actually $45 more (including shipping) than the power buy price of the 5686 with free shipping. There is no power buy on the 5667 model.

Anyway, since PIP and cable card is not a big deal to me, I think I'm going with the 5686.

pedroelopez · 04-26-06, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoustonPerson

pedroelopez,
Thanks for the response.

Let us know how your testing goes tonight.

CBS - Criminal Minds and CSI: NY will be broadcast OTA at 1080i
FOX - Bones and American Idol will be OTA 720p
ABC - Alias will be OTA 720p

Typically, CSI (usually the other two CSI's) and Bones have excellent photography; so luckily your PQ should be grand.

If you can let us know the good, the bad, and the ugly, that would be kewl. Thanks

Last night I got stuck on watching the Dodger's game, and because it went into the 14th inning, that was the majority of my testing. So far, everything looks good, of course that's from an un-trained eye being this is my first big tv. I did eventually watch ABC news on HD, and it looked amazing. Also, I tested out the DVD connection via component by watching the first 15 minutes of Finding Nemo, and the picture is sweet!

While watching the Dodger game on Fox PrimeTicket, I tried to see if there was any type of bowing on the edges, and believe me, I was really concentrating and didn't notice anything. I'll keep checking tonight. I will also try to catch some of the shows you mentioned above tonight. Also, I did try to connect my Comcast cable directly into the TV to see if it will pick up the local HD channels that way, and no luck... so, no QAM tuner. That's fine for me since I will be getting the HD box next week and will finally be able to see what all the hype is about on Discovery HD. Will keep you posted.

AU Chevy · 04-26-06, 11:46 AM

Seriously, there is no QAM tuner? This might be a deal breaker for me too.

pedroelopez · 04-26-06, 01:28 PM

Also, I forgot to mention that I have yet to see any rainbows ye, and I tried shifting my eyes quickly all over the screen. Also, I don't hear any sound from the color wheel at all, and none from the fan when I turn off the set. I had to literally put my head up close to the back of the set to even hear the fan when I turned it off. I was worried that there was nothing to cool down the set, but yes, it is there. When they said whisper quiet, they weren't kidding.

HoustonPerson · 04-26-06, 03:05 PM

Ok, Theory has it the new HLS4266 will be delivered on Saturday. I honestly believe it will have just as good as picture as the HLR. I have seen a zillion HLR's and the all have looked great (at least if the feed is good and the set adjusted correct). But I have only seen ONE HLS6187 and it was perhaps the worse PQ ever (excessively sparkly). But in that specific CC all the sets had a bad feed and all had bad PQ.

So if it is delivered, I will post some pics and some reports next week.

vincent_momo · 04-26-06, 03:31 PM

so, nobody tried seeing if there were any bowing,geometry issues with their tv yet? especially in 4:3 mode where you can tell the easiest

HoustonPerson · 04-26-06, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vincent_momo

so, nobody tried seeing if there were any bowing,geometry issues with their tv yet? especially in 4:3 mode where you can tell the easiest

I posted on another Samsung thread (refering to the HLS6187), that the bowing is virtualy not there. The SD 4:3 is about 99.8% straight sides. So that works for me. It is extremely rare to see one at 100%, and by that I mean "all" RPTV's.

pedroelopez · 04-26-06, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoustonPerson

I posted on another Samsung thread (refering to the HLS6187), that the bowing is virtualy not there. The SD 4:3 is about 99.8% straight sides. So that works for me. It is extremely rare to see one at 100%, and by that I mean "all" RPTV's.

I briefly chekced this as well, and couldn't see anything. There may be some, but it wasn't blaring at me. I'll check again tonight.

sleaze160 · 04-26-06, 04:37 PM

Bought the HL-S4666W, but due to my schedule I will not be able get delivery until May 6th. I will update with thoughts/pics when I can. I have comcast in chicago for HD and a Samsung HD860 DVD player that will connect via HDMI for DVD. Also have a reciever to process the 5.1 sound so I will be able to comment on lip sync issues and also if the optical output will pass the signal or not (I have heard no). I'm quite excited.

pedroelopez · 04-27-06, 12:48 AM

Hey everyone... just posted some pics here of the HL-S5086. Look at the link below.

vincent_momo · 04-27-06, 02:26 AM

cool pics, can you post a picture of a movie or something playing in 4:3 , this is important because i watch 4:3 cable tv

pedroelopez · 04-28-06, 02:55 AM

Now that I have spent a few days with the HL-S5086, here is a summary of my testing with the following setup:

- Comcast Cable (not HD yet, so still connecting via composite video)
- Sony Dream Surround Sound system with progressive scan DVD player connected via component video
- OTA antenna to watch local HD channels

General
- Overall, I'm very happy with the TV. The picture is awesome with the DVD, and the OTA HD channels looks great.
- Set does not contain a cable card, which some people have asked about, nor does it have a QAM tuner. This is not big for me anyway because I'll be getting my HD STB from Comcast this Saturday. Plus, I like the use of On Demand.
- No RBE on any of the imputs that I have used, and I've tried moving my eyes around the screen quickly several times. More importantly, the wife doesn't see them either, which is definitely a BIG plus!

DVD
- so far this looks amazing. I was able to test out several movies such as Finding Nemo, Star Wars III, The Day After Tomorrow (which the opening scene looks unbelievable), King Kong, and Lord of the Rings
- The blacks are very good, and the colors using the Movie mode are spectacular
- No lyp sync issues

OTA
- Local HD channels are incredible. I was able to watch Bones and CSI, and they looked very nice. Even got a great compliment from the wife since she likes Bones.
- Watched the Laker's game on the local LA channel (channel 9) which broadcasted the game in 1080i. The game looked great. Fast moving scenes did not look messy at all.
- No lyp sync issues

Comcast Cable
- 4:3 geometry - there appears to be an extremely small presence of bowing, but it is not something to worry about as you have to look extremely close to even notice it. Someone else here posted that 99.9% of the screen was ok, and I would tend to agree.
- Lip-sync - I did encounter some slight lyp-sync issues with this connection, but HD cable box, I'll take this with a grain of salt until I can test it out using the HDMI connection instead of the crappy composite cable. I'll provide an update once I get my HD box this Saturday.
- Overall, channels look decent. Again, with a grain of salt because of the cable being used. I'll provide an update once I get my HD box this Saturday.

If anyone has any questions, I would be more than happy to answer. I also posted some pics of my setup. See my signature below for the link. Let me know what you think.

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pedroelopez Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 69	Samsung 720p Owner's Thread --- HLSxx66W/HLSxx86W DLP Models Now that owner's of the new HLS 720P models are beginning to receive their sets, I'd thought we would have a place to provide our feedback on these new sets. I'll post some pics of my 5086 that's due to arrive in about 30 minutes... yes, I'm playin' hookie from work right now... __________________ My HT setup with the HL-S5086 :-)

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pedroelopez Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 69	Well, I just got my set, plugged it into my DVD player, and it looks amazing! Very happy with the set. From what I know about last year's model, the differences off the top of my head are: - being able to turn off DNie - two HDMI connections - better light engine I'm sure there are more, but that's what I can think of so far. I'll post pictures later on since I do need to go to work... I guess __________________ My HT setup with the HL-S5086 :-)

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pedroelopez Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 69	Vincent - I'll be able to provide more feedback as soon as I get home tonight from work. The little testing that I did do was only seeing material from my DVD player via component inputs. I tested Finding Nemo, King Kong, Star Wars III, and The Incredibles. All movies looked amazing. Can't wait to go home and do some more "testing" __________________ My HT setup with the HL-S5086 :-)

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pedroelopez Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 69	Not a problem Houston. I upgraded my Comcast cable service to HD, but because of the high demand, I'm on a wait list, and won't get it installed until late next week. I'll keep you informed. Anything else that anyone wants me to test? __________________ My HT setup with the HL-S5086 :-)

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pedroelopez Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 69	I was able to get local HD channels like ABC and Fox this morning, but because I had to go to work, I wasn't able to really examine them. However, from what I saw, the channels looked really nice! __________________ My HT setup with the HL-S5086 :-)

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DLPORLCD Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 342 Classified Rating: 100% (3)	What are the improvements on the the 86 models compared to the 67w from last year. Looking to find out how much of an improvement the HL-S5086 is to the HL-R5067w.

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vincent_momo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 35	how is the geometry on 4:3 ? is tthere any bowing or curvature distortion issues at all ?

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HoustonPerson AVS Special Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,734	pedroelopez, If you can test OTA tonight with both PBS and CBS would be great and lets us know what you think? Also, a report on the SD 4:3 geometry. I saw a HLS6187 in the store and the geometry was good (about 98% perfect - you had to stare long and hard to see a very slight bow-in...so I would accept it). But the video feed was highly compressed with defects; only 480i in stretch mode, which was the best the leading CC store in Houston had!

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DLPORLCD Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 342 Classified Rating: 100% (3)	Do you happen do know if this tv has th QAM tuner built into it. Since you don;t have your HD cable box yet, try scanning for any HD channels to see if the tv can get local HD channels.

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pedroelopez Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 69	no... it was through an antenna... i haven't tried directly from my comcast cable __________________ My HT setup with the HL-S5086 :-)

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MacG Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 20	Yes, I too was wondering the differences between last years HLR5067 and this years HLS5086. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the '67 series have extra - PIP - cable card - higher power output speakers In addition to what Pedro listed a few post back, the '86 series have extra - game mode - IEEE 1394 input What's interesting is that TVA has the '86 series priced lower than last years '67 series model. I'm wondering if this is due to lower cost of the '86 series or that '67 series is a "better" (more features, etc.) TV. Looking forward to more comments from '86 owners.

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DLPORLCD Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 342 Classified Rating: 100% (3)	The sales price on the HL-R5067 on tva site is less then the selling price for the HL-S5086. The other difference between those models from what I can tell is the design of the outter casing of the tv. Also, I believe that the HL-S5086 does not have the tv guide feature. The HLS models also use a 5 segment color wheel that spins faster compared to the 7 segment color wheel in the HLR sets. MacG, you listed that you thought the 86 series had extra IEEE 1394 inputs, but looking at the specs of the tv's listed on tva's site, the HL-R5067 has 2x IEEE 1394 and the HL-S5086 did not list it as having any. But the HLS does have an extra HDMI port. I purchased a HL-R5067 recently and was thinking of returning it and buying the new 50" 86 set, but having a cable card slot is a plus and I would use PiP during football season, so I think I will keep my HLR set. I also heard that Xbox 360 set at outputting 720p signal didn't lag on the HLR sets, so that has made my decision to keep the HLR set easier because I plan on purchasing a PS3 or xbox 360 in the future. Last edited by DLPORLCD; 04-25-06 at 08:05 PM..

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General Klinger Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 133	I got in on the Group buy for a HLS5086W but I don't see anything on Samsungs site about it having cable card capability. Can someone clear this up for me please

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pedroelopez Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 69	The set does not have a cable card, nor does it have an IEEE 1394 input or PIP. The casing is flat black, and has a very small silver strip at the bottom. The speaker difference is no concern to me because I have a HT system. I won't be able to test out the Game mode because I don't do any gaming, at least not yet. I'll be posting some pics tonight as well and check other functionalities. Will keep everyone posted. __________________ My HT setup with the HL-S5086 :-)

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HoustonPerson AVS Special Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,734	pedroelopez, Thanks for the response. Let us know how your testing goes tonight. CBS - Criminal Minds and CSI: NY will be broadcast OTA at 1080i FOX - Bones and American Idol will be OTA 720p ABC - Alias will be OTA 720p Typically, CSI (usually the other two CSI's) and Bones have excellent photography; so luckily your PQ should be grand. If you can let us know the good, the bad, and the ugly, that would be kewl. Thanks

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ebednarz Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 13	I'm getting excited. Bought the HLS5686 and it will be arriving on Friday. Can't wait. Will post pics and my thoughts. Last edited by ebednarz; 04-27-06 at 01:36 PM..

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MacG Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 20	DLPORLCD, thanks for your correction regarding the IEEE 1394 inputs. Regarding the cost, I should of explained more clearly. I was considering either the 5667 or the 5686. On TVA website, the 5667 is actually $45 more (including shipping) than the power buy price of the 5686 with free shipping. There is no power buy on the 5667 model. Anyway, since PIP and cable card is not a big deal to me, I think I'm going with the 5686.

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AU Chevy New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 12	Seriously, there is no QAM tuner? This might be a deal breaker for me too.

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pedroelopez Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 69	Also, I forgot to mention that I have yet to see any rainbows ye, and I tried shifting my eyes quickly all over the screen. Also, I don't hear any sound from the color wheel at all, and none from the fan when I turn off the set. I had to literally put my head up close to the back of the set to even hear the fan when I turned it off. I was worried that there was nothing to cool down the set, but yes, it is there. When they said whisper quiet, they weren't kidding. __________________ My HT setup with the HL-S5086 :-)

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HoustonPerson AVS Special Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,734	Ok, Theory has it the new HLS4266 will be delivered on Saturday. I honestly believe it will have just as good as picture as the HLR. I have seen a zillion HLR's and the all have looked great (at least if the feed is good and the set adjusted correct). But I have only seen ONE HLS6187 and it was perhaps the worse PQ ever (excessively sparkly). But in that specific CC all the sets had a bad feed and all had bad PQ. So if it is delivered, I will post some pics and some reports next week.

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vincent_momo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 35	so, nobody tried seeing if there were any bowing,geometry issues with their tv yet? especially in 4:3 mode where you can tell the easiest

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sleaze160 New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12	s4666w Bought the HL-S4666W, but due to my schedule I will not be able get delivery until May 6th. I will update with thoughts/pics when I can. I have comcast in chicago for HD and a Samsung HD860 DVD player that will connect via HDMI for DVD. Also have a reciever to process the 5.1 sound so I will be able to comment on lip sync issues and also if the optical output will pass the signal or not (I have heard no). I'm quite excited.

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pedroelopez Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 69	Hey everyone... just posted some pics here of the HL-S5086. Look at the link below. __________________ My HT setup with the HL-S5086 :-)

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vincent_momo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 35	cool pics, can you post a picture of a movie or something playing in 4:3 , this is important because i watch 4:3 cable tv Last edited by vincent_momo; 04-27-06 at 09:37 PM..

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pedroelopez Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 69	HL-S5086 Review Now that I have spent a few days with the HL-S5086, here is a summary of my testing with the following setup: - Comcast Cable (not HD yet, so still connecting via composite video) - Sony Dream Surround Sound system with progressive scan DVD player connected via component video - OTA antenna to watch local HD channels General - Overall, I'm very happy with the TV. The picture is awesome with the DVD, and the OTA HD channels looks great. - Set does not contain a cable card, which some people have asked about, nor does it have a QAM tuner. This is not big for me anyway because I'll be getting my HD STB from Comcast this Saturday. Plus, I like the use of On Demand. - No RBE on any of the imputs that I have used, and I've tried moving my eyes around the screen quickly several times. More importantly, the wife doesn't see them either, which is definitely a BIG plus! DVD - so far this looks amazing. I was able to test out several movies such as Finding Nemo, Star Wars III, The Day After Tomorrow (which the opening scene looks unbelievable), King Kong, and Lord of the Rings - The blacks are very good, and the colors using the Movie mode are spectacular - No lyp sync issues OTA - Local HD channels are incredible. I was able to watch Bones and CSI, and they looked very nice. Even got a great compliment from the wife since she likes Bones. - Watched the Laker's game on the local LA channel (channel 9) which broadcasted the game in 1080i. The game looked great. Fast moving scenes did not look messy at all. - No lyp sync issues Comcast Cable - 4:3 geometry - there appears to be an extremely small presence of bowing, but it is not something to worry about as you have to look extremely close to even notice it. Someone else here posted that 99.9% of the screen was ok, and I would tend to agree. - Lip-sync - I did encounter some slight lyp-sync issues with this connection, but HD cable box, I'll take this with a grain of salt until I can test it out using the HDMI connection instead of the crappy composite cable. I'll provide an update once I get my HD box this Saturday. - Overall, channels look decent. Again, with a grain of salt because of the cable being used. I'll provide an update once I get my HD box this Saturday. If anyone has any questions, I would be more than happy to answer. I also posted some pics of my setup. See my signature below for the link. Let me know what you think. __________________ My HT setup with the HL-S5086 :-)