Official PIONEER DV490V-S HDMI Upconverting Player thread

Bud-man · 05-05-06, 10:28 AM

Was looking into a Pio DV388 when i saw this on the Pioneer website, which they dont even list a 388 even as a older model.
Well i found a dealer that has them in stock, good ole J&R for $99 with free shipping.
This player has upconverting thru hdmi, i dont know if it will thru component, will find out soon.
I ordered one and will compare it to my LG418 once i get it setup.
The only problem is have with my LG is the shift issue any rez over 480p.
I'm a Dvdaholic so why not give it a shot!

BillP · 05-05-06, 11:48 AM

Sorry, but there is no way that a Pioneer will upconvert over component (none of the major brands will, thanks to the studios).

TonyS · 05-05-06, 12:14 PM

Bud-man -

Looking forward to your review! I'm currently using a Zenith DVB318 (component upconversion) so I'm most interested in your take on the Pio as I do have an HDMI slot available.

BTW, I see you're a fellow CT'er...

Kyle_D · 05-05-06, 01:44 PM

Definitely looking forward to see how this player shapes up. I currently have the 588 and I love it, but I was looking to get a player with HDMI in the next month or so. Between this and the new Oppo, it looks like I'll have some options. Hopefully someone will post a firmware mod to make the 490V-S region free, just like all the other Pioneer DivX models.

Bud-man · 05-08-06, 07:09 PM

I just opeend the box and looked in the back NO OPTICAL out!!
I thought i read it had optical out but maybe that was a european model, this is almost a deal killer for me, my Yamaha reciever which is 3 yrs old only has 1 coaxial input, and 3 optical, why is all the dvd makers going back to this 10 yr old technology?

Bud-man · 05-08-06, 08:25 PM

Initial testing...
1 does 480i thru hdmi
2 sound is very low, all settings do not raise this problem, only tried hdmi out.
3 very slow to load xvid files on dvd, real slow....
4 zoom is just 2x and 4x, you can move it around but again usless unless you wanna zoom in on some boobs.
5 nice build quality, but slow tray open/close
6 Top shift issue on my 8th gen panny plasma...what else is new.........
7 tried region 2 dvd of vanishing point....no go......grrrrr.
I will add to this list as more finding come about, pq is nice nice blacks also.

tacos · 05-08-06, 11:37 PM

Sounds like more negatives than positives. Hopefully, there is a hack to get it region free. How about layer changes? Have you noticed any as of yet? Thanks

WaldorfSalad · 05-09-06, 01:03 AM

Bummer! Don't you just hate this cheapening of electronics and removal of features to get the price down so as to appeal to J6P! Aside from the diminishing build quality and excessive use of cheap plastic, a couple of my gripes are the dropping of digital optical outputs and removal of the open/close/eject button from the remote! It also seems that more and more electronic items are dropping the battery backup so save a few more cents!

PooperScooper · 05-09-06, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bud-man

Initial testing...
1 does 480i thru hdmi
2 sound is very low, all settings do not raise this problem, only tried hdmi out.
3 very slow to load xvid files on dvd, real slow....
4 zoom is just 2x and 4x, you can move it around but again usless unless you wanna zoom in on some boobs.
5 nice build quality, but slow tray open/close
6 Top shift issue on my 8th gen panny plasma...what else is new.........
7 tried region 2 dvd of vanishing point....no go......grrrrr.
I will add to this list as more finding come about, pq is nice nice blacks also.

480i via HDMI - cool. I'll add it to the list in the sticky. It will be interesting to see how the MPEG decoder tests out.

larry

WaldorfSalad · 05-21-06, 03:02 AM

Here's a region-free 490....
http://www.regioncodefreedvd.com/pioneer490.html

glenned · 05-27-06, 01:02 AM

I started a new thread about this player, but thought that I should include a post here as well.

The new Pioneer DV-490V-S, MSRP $120.00.

Has an HDMI output. Will put out RGB or YCbCR at the following resolutions:
480i
480P
720P
1080i

It will do this into an HDMI or DVI input.

It has two selections for HDMI Color:
"Full range RGB" outputs digital video in the PC signal standard
"RGB" outputs digital video in the Video signal standard (16-235).

It does not pass Blacker than Black. It does pass Whiter than White.

Navigation is almost instantaneous.

The 480i YCbCr output is correctly decoded by the Rec 601 decoding matrix. I don't know if upscaled YCbCr is twisted to Rec 709 in the upconversion.

At 480P YCbCr there was some pixel cropping or image shifting at the Top and Right sides of the image when feeding an Infocus SP7200.

At 720P YCbCr, it was more severe with 2" Black Bars on the Top, Bottom, and Right sides of the image. This was with DVE test patterns. I haven't played an actual DVD to see if it happens with that too, but I presume that it will.

No problems like this at 480i YCbCr. Other than that I can't evaluate the PQ at 480i because the Infocus , though it will accept 480i on its DVI input, does not handle it correctly and produces an image with some screen flicker. It looks like a computor monitor does when run at 60hz vs 72hz or faster.

The image shifting problems might be the Infocus inability to properly handle video that is non-standard for DVI. I will try it out on a display that has HDMI inputs to check.

Glenn

c722 · 05-27-06, 03:16 AM

Do u know what's its mpeg decoder ?

PooperScooper · 05-27-06, 08:50 AM

Quote:

It does not pass Blacker than Black.

Move on, folks, nothing to see here.

Does the next Pio model up have this problem? I don't think the impending Oppo 970HD will hit this price point, but it will pass BTB, etc. YCbCr isn't really a big advantage unless 10bit output is supported. Does this little puppy do 10bit video?

larry

glenned · 05-28-06, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PooperScooper

Move on, folks, nothing to see here.

Does the next Pio model up have this problem? I don't think the impending Oppo 970HD will hit this price point, but it will pass BTB, etc. YCbCr isn't really a big advantage unless 10bit output is supported. Does this little puppy do 10bit video?

larry

I spoke with someone from DVDO the other day. He has a preproduction version of the Oppo 970 and loves it. He thought that using it over HDMI into the VP30 was equal to an SDI player into the SDI input on the VP30.

Glenn

PedroV · 05-28-06, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Do u know what's its mpeg decoder ?

I think the 490V uses a Mediatek Mpeg decoder. I don't know which model.

You can see it here (inside pic): http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2006/...90_393_1.shtml

PooperScooper · 05-28-06, 04:18 PM

Glenn,
The 970HD uses the MediaTek MPEG decoder and has CUE problems at 480i. Did the VP30 filter this completely? (can you ask "someone"?)

Pedro,
That's interesting news. Is it the MPEG decode/deinterlacer chip like the 970? I couldn't get a part # from the photo.

larry

oink · 05-28-06, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PooperScooper

Glenn,
The 970HD uses the MediaTek MPEG decoder and has CUE problems at 480i. Did the VP30 filter this completely? (can you ask "someone"?)

Pedro,
That's interesting news. Is it the MPEG decode/deinterlacer chip like the 970? I couldn't get a part # from the photo.

larry

My player doesn't have CUE...but I do have the VP30 and it has an adjustment for it.
I assume that it does take care of it.

490v has Mediatek?
I think I'll order it and the 970h for my own private shootout.

Doom4420 · 05-28-06, 06:05 PM

Does anyone have this player yet? If so, could you give a performance report? I'm looking into it but nothing for reviews yet!!

oink · 05-29-06, 12:15 AM

Ordered from Vann's tonite.
Apparently only comes in silver.
ETA: 6/6.

c722 · 05-29-06, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PooperScooper

Glenn,
The 970HD uses the MediaTek MPEG decoder and has CUE problems at 480i.

wow u sound like knowing this for a fact

I'm sure u r one of those beta-testers. Can be more specific ? Which part of the CUE (can't be *all* right ?) and ICP ?

standard141 · 05-29-06, 11:27 AM

hey multiregion hack here
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks.ph...ioneer+DV-490V
dunno if it works though

standard141 · 05-29-06, 11:35 AM

a REVIEW 4 outta 5 http://hometheater.about.com/od/dvdp...iodv490vsf.htm

PooperScooper · 05-29-06, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c722

wow u sound like knowing this for a fact

I'm sure u r one of those beta-testers. Can be more specific ? Which part of the CUE (can't be *all* right ?) and ICP ?

The 971 has the same problem at 480i as reported by somebody in another thread. I thought CUE was only one thing - Chroma Upsampling Error, which is not ICP - 4:2:0 Interlaced Chroma Problem - using Secrets terminology. http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...ug-4-2001.html

larry

CHolleman · 05-30-06, 08:35 AM

i'm waiting for the 696. according to the specs on Pio's press release awhile ago, the only difference between the 696 and the 490 was the PureCinemaProgressive that's on the 696. any truth to that?

bigsnyder · 05-30-06, 09:57 AM

The 696 will also play DVD-A and SACD.

C Snyder

CHolleman · 05-30-06, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigsnyder

The 696 will also play DVD-A and SACD.

C Snyder

I don't have any use for DVD-A (don't even know what it is) or SACD. I'm primarily looking for a good budget player that will produce a good picture on my Pio plasma. The fact that it's a Pio brand (i want to stay same branded) and upconverts via HDMI are the main selling points for me. not to mention the price. purely from a video stand point, is there any difference between the 490 and 696?

zoro · 05-30-06, 11:28 AM

Looking for 696? any pre orders Expected Date?

soldonandy · 06-01-06, 10:31 PM

Just got the 490 from ABT for a good price, figured it couldn't hurt to check it out.

Digital2004 · 06-02-06, 08:47 PM

lots of problems with this player, to force him to change the resolutions in hdmi.
pain in the a... really. the hdmi resolutions are "greyed" (can't force him to 1080i or 720p) and the hdmi red light front panel keeps flashing ???

i tell you, i'm sick of all those smallish hdmi players full of bugs.
can anyone comment on this issue ?

thanks !

i use an Optoma H79 with its dvi adapter and hdmi hdmi cable (1.5meter)

Digital2004 · 06-02-06, 09:26 PM

ok this player is not fully compatible with dvi diffusors so that's it. better connect it only to an hdmi input.
it's specified in the manual.

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Bud-man AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,255	Official PIONEER DV490V-S HDMI Upconverting Player thread Was looking into a Pio DV388 when i saw this on the Pioneer website, which they dont even list a 388 even as a older model. Well i found a dealer that has them in stock, good ole J&R for $99 with free shipping. This player has upconverting thru hdmi, i dont know if it will thru component, will find out soon. I ordered one and will compare it to my LG418 once i get it setup. The only problem is have with my LG is the shift issue any rez over 480p. I'm a Dvdaholic so why not give it a shot!

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WaldorfSalad AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Fawlty Towers Posts: 4,085 Classified Rating: 100% (12)	Here's a region-free 490.... http://www.regioncodefreedvd.com/pioneer490.html

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glenned AVS Special Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 1,566	Finally, cheap DVD player that puts out 480i YCbCr to DVI and HDMI I started a new thread about this player, but thought that I should include a post here as well. The new Pioneer DV-490V-S, MSRP $120.00. Has an HDMI output. Will put out RGB or YCbCR at the following resolutions: 480i 480P 720P 1080i It will do this into an HDMI or DVI input. It has two selections for HDMI Color: "Full range RGB" outputs digital video in the PC signal standard "RGB" outputs digital video in the Video signal standard (16-235). It does not pass Blacker than Black. It does pass Whiter than White. Navigation is almost instantaneous. The 480i YCbCr output is correctly decoded by the Rec 601 decoding matrix. I don't know if upscaled YCbCr is twisted to Rec 709 in the upconversion. At 480P YCbCr there was some pixel cropping or image shifting at the Top and Right sides of the image when feeding an Infocus SP7200. At 720P YCbCr, it was more severe with 2" Black Bars on the Top, Bottom, and Right sides of the image. This was with DVE test patterns. I haven't played an actual DVD to see if it happens with that too, but I presume that it will. No problems like this at 480i YCbCr. Other than that I can't evaluate the PQ at 480i because the Infocus , though it will accept 480i on its DVI input, does not handle it correctly and produces an image with some screen flicker. It looks like a computor monitor does when run at 60hz vs 72hz or faster. The image shifting problems might be the Infocus inability to properly handle video that is non-standard for DVI. I will try it out on a display that has HDMI inputs to check. Glenn Last edited by glenned; 05-27-06 at 01:13 AM..

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TonyS Advanced Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CT Posts: 624	Bud-man - Looking forward to your review! I'm currently using a Zenith DVB318 (component upconversion) so I'm most interested in your take on the Pio as I do have an HDMI slot available. BTW, I see you're a fellow CT'er...

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Kyle_D Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 160	Definitely looking forward to see how this player shapes up. I currently have the 588 and I love it, but I was looking to get a player with HDMI in the next month or so. Between this and the new Oppo, it looks like I'll have some options. Hopefully someone will post a firmware mod to make the 490V-S region free, just like all the other Pioneer DivX models.

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Bud-man AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,255	Initial testing... 1 does 480i thru hdmi 2 sound is very low, all settings do not raise this problem, only tried hdmi out. 3 very slow to load xvid files on dvd, real slow.... 4 zoom is just 2x and 4x, you can move it around but again usless unless you wanna zoom in on some boobs. 5 nice build quality, but slow tray open/close 6 Top shift issue on my 8th gen panny plasma...what else is new......... 7 tried region 2 dvd of vanishing point....no go......grrrrr. I will add to this list as more finding come about, pq is nice nice blacks also.

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tacos Mo delo Especial Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: BAMA Posts: 421	Sounds like more negatives than positives. Hopefully, there is a hack to get it region free. How about layer changes? Have you noticed any as of yet? Thanks

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WaldorfSalad AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Fawlty Towers Posts: 4,085 Classified Rating: 100% (12)	Bummer! Don't you just hate this cheapening of electronics and removal of features to get the price down so as to appeal to J6P! Aside from the diminishing build quality and excessive use of cheap plastic, a couple of my gripes are the dropping of digital optical outputs and removal of the open/close/eject button from the remote! It also seems that more and more electronic items are dropping the battery backup so save a few more cents!

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Doom4420 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 228	Pioneer dv490 Does anyone have this player yet? If so, could you give a performance report? I'm looking into it but nothing for reviews yet!!

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oink Pathetic Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: CHOAM Rep. Posts: 7,960	Ordered from Vann's tonite. Apparently only comes in silver. ETA: 6/6.

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standard141 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 71	hey multiregion hack here http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks.ph...ioneer+DV-490V dunno if it works though

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standard141 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 71	a REVIEW 4 outta 5 http://hometheater.about.com/od/dvdp...iodv490vsf.htm

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CHolleman Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 777	i'm waiting for the 696. according to the specs on Pio's press release awhile ago, the only difference between the 696 and the 490 was the PureCinemaProgressive that's on the 696. any truth to that?

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bigsnyder Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 351	The 696 will also play DVD-A and SACD. C Snyder

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zoro AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,387	Looking for 696? any pre orders Expected Date?

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soldonandy AVS Special Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,033	Just got the 490 from ABT for a good price, figured it couldn't hurt to check it out. Last edited by PooperScooper; 06-02-06 at 09:12 PM.. Reason: MSRP only prices, please.

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Digital2004 AVS Special Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Gotham City Posts: 2,681	lots of problems with this player, to force him to change the resolutions in hdmi. pain in the a... really. the hdmi resolutions are "greyed" (can't force him to 1080i or 720p) and the hdmi red light front panel keeps flashing ??? i tell you, i'm sick of all those smallish hdmi players full of bugs. can anyone comment on this issue ? thanks ! i use an Optoma H79 with its dvi adapter and hdmi hdmi cable (1.5meter)

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Digital2004 AVS Special Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Gotham City Posts: 2,681	ok this player is not fully compatible with dvi diffusors so that's it. better connect it only to an hdmi input. it's specified in the manual.