Can you output 1080p over component?

[chap]

I was under the impression that 1080p required the use of DVI/HDMI. Am I wrong? Are there any TV's that accept a 1080p signal via component?

The reason I ask is because if it doesn't then how can the cheap version of the PS3 output 1080p with now HDMI port?

[chinch]

you're not wrong.

component won't do 1080p

[chap]

Well thats very intersting. So not all ps3's will do 1080p then.

[paintit77]

Originally Posted by chinch

you're not wrong.

component won't do 1080p

Component will do 1080p all day long! The problem is that HDTVs need new hardware to display it. Component video cables will go to a horizontal resolution of 2160 @ 30 frames per second in very short distances (1 meter or less) but it will send the video through its pipe.
Component is a very robust system with one problem, Hollywood can't control it.

[skogan]

I think he means it won't do it for AACS contracted devices, such as Blu-ray and HD DVD. It's not allowed by spec.

[bullgates]

Originally Posted by chap

Are there any TV's that accept a 1080p signal via component?

There are displays that accept 1080p over VGA .

[dicey]

Originally Posted by chap

I was under the impression that 1080p required the use of DVI/HDMI. Am I wrong? Are there any TV's that accept a 1080p signal via component?

The reason I ask is because if it doesn't then how can the cheap version of the PS3 output 1080p with now HDMI port?

It wont. The first gen games will all run at 720p and then maybe 1080i later on. Even if they do start running at 1080p, you will always have the option to change the output to whatever your PS3 can output or your TV can accept. And copy protection wont be active when playing a game, only for movies.

[kryloc]

Originally Posted by paintit77

Component will do 1080p all day long! The problem is that HDTVs need new hardware to display it. Component video cables will go to a horizontal resolution of 2160 @ 30 frames per second in very short distances (1 meter or less) but it will send the video through its pipe.
Component is a very robust system with one problem, Hollywood can't control it.

So does the signal start to degrade over that 1 meter mark? Is there a noticable difference between component and HDMI at 1080p at 1meter? At 2-4 meters?

Most experts say that the difference between a 1080i component and HDMI isn't really noticable, does this change with 1080p sources?

Seems the main problem is whenever movie studios decide to turn on the token system.

[AV_Integrated]

The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 is specified as accepting 1080p over component.

This means that any of the PS3 video games that are 1080p capable can be paired with that display for 1080p over component. Yes, it is possible.

[kryloc]

Originally Posted by AV_Integrated

The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 is specified as accepting 1080p over component.

This means that any of the PS3 video games that are 1080p capable can be paired with that display for 1080p over component. Yes, it is possible.

Do some 1080p displays not accept 1080p over component?

[Ursa]

I need to dig up the quote, and then the spec. kjack indicated that 1080i was as high as analog component went in the official specs.

Later,
Bill

[kryloc]

Originally Posted by Ursa

I need to dig up the quote, and then the spec. kjack indicated that 1080i was as high as analog component went in the official specs.

Later,
Bill

Wikipedia states 1080p as the max Not like that's a end all source though...

[Ja Phule]

Component 1080i is the max that AACS will allow over component.

[Ursa]

For this academic discusssion, I am more curious what SMPTE and/or the ITU have to say on the matter. However, AACS is also pretty clear here.

[kschmit2]

The probelm is not the component signal.
That signal will do 1080p60 without any problems.

BUT the licenses governing BD-ROM A/V do NOT allow 1080p outputs on analog connectors. The maximum permissible output resolution is 1080i60. This has nothing to do with the ICT flag btw, so it doesn't matter if ICT=0 or ICT=1.


Also keep in mind that the provisions in the BD-ROM A/V license do NOT extent to PS3 games, so the games might output 1080p over component if Sony chose to allow that.

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by kschmit2

Also keep in mind that the provisions in the BD-ROM A/V license do NOT extent to PS3 games, so the games might output 1080p over component if Sony chose to allow that.

I think it is unlikely though, partially because doing something like that would mostly be for high end customers and since HDMI supports 1080p, the number of high end people who would demand 1080p over component is pretty limited. Put another way, the main reason people are asking is because the cheaper system doesn't have HDMI, but most of the customers who are likely to demand 1080p wouldn't be likely to worry about the $100 difference and Sony wants people to buy the more expensive system anyway.

--Darin

[necrolop]

Im disapointed that Sony is even making a version without HDMI.

[colossus]

Originally Posted by necrolop

Im disapointed that Sony is even making a version without HDMI.

I'm not touching a PS3 w/out component. No matter how clever they get with resolutions/formats, I'm not buying a TV just to get HDMI support.

[necrolop]

The higher end one still has the Sony A/V output, which would be component. Not like its an either or situation.

[cybersoga]

My screen accepts 1080p/24SF via component, it's a relitively old Sony plasma.

[JlgLaw]

It was never realistic to believe Sony would provide the same BR performance level in a machine that not only is listed at half the price of their BR player, but is to double as their flagship gaming device.

Darin has right.

Jim

[Mr. Hanky]

So the answer is "yes" to is it physically possible to do 1080p over component, but protected movie content will still be subjected to 1080i over component (and less with higher restrictions set). Videogame output is still up to whatever the game designers feel obliged to target. Possibly homegrown hd videos burned to disc could still take advantage of 1080p over component, but likely that will be 1080i sourced anyways unless you are using very pro-level videocam equipment.

[mx6bfast]

Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky

So the answer is "yes" to is it physically possible to do 1080p over component, but protected movie content will still be subjected to 1080i over component (and less with higher restrictions set).

Please forgive me since I have been absent from this forum for a couple of months. By this statement, can movies be watched at 1080i over component, or will they be down rezzed to 480p?

[amillians]

Originally Posted by mx6bfast

Please forgive me since I have been absent from this forum for a couple of months. By this statement, can movies be watched at 1080i over component, or will they be down rezzed to 480p?

AACS allows 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p and 1080i analog output. If the "Image Constraint Token" (ICT) on an AACS disc is set to 1, the analog output stage pathway is limited to a maximum of 520,000 active pixels (e.g., 960x540p), and it can then be resampled back to whatever.

So, if ICT=1 and you've got a 1080p24 source film, the analog pathway could look like this:

disc -> 1080p24 -> 960x540p24 -> 1920x1080i60 -> display

No studio has announced plans to use ICT (most have very vocally said they would not...at least not at first). Of the majors, Warner is seen as the most likely pulling the trigger someday.

[Ursa]

Originally Posted by cybersoga

My screen accepts 1080p/24SF via component, it's a relitively old Sony plasma.

This is actually an interlaced format. Admittedly, one that can be made to be progressive with a simple weave algorithm, but it is still technically interlaced (48Hz).

[lufters]

Let's throw a Monkey Wrench into the discussion...without HDMI you can not do Dolby TrueHD (lossless)...correct?

So the PS3 would not be a full function Blu-ray player anyway you look at it.

[Ursa]

You need HDMI or analog outputs.

[lufters]

Originally Posted by Ursa

You need HDMI or analog outputs.

I just don't get what Sony is thinking. Don't get me wrong I like the Component connection since my older Mits doesn't have HDMI...but there should have been at least 2 HDMI ports on all the PS3's to make it future proof....maybe they will change the spec last minute. I think they might have made some sort of an agreement with the other Blu-ray manufactures....if you want a full function player, you need to by ours, not the PS3.

I don't know if I like the idea getting my Dolby HD Lossless (or DTS) over analog. I guess the PS3 will hold me over till the "real" players come down in price.

[romper]

lufters, I am wondering why you need 2 HDMI ports on the PS3. One should do just fine. The HDMI out will go into the New Receiver you need to buy to get Lossless audio then a second HDMI wire from the Receiver to the monitor.

Remember, to get Lossless Audio you need HDMI 1.3 and it is not out yet if I am not mistaken. Next month I think?

[lufters]

Originally Posted by romper

lufters, I am wondering why you need 2 HDMI ports on the PS3. One should do just fine. The HDMI out will go into the New Receiver you need to buy to get Lossless audio then a second HDMI wire from the Receiver to the monitor.

Remember, to get Lossless Audio you need HDMI 1.3 and it is not out yet if I am not mistaken. Next month I think?

They were originally suppose to have 2 HDMI's for Dual Monitor hookup.